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#1021 Syn11

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:49 AM

I can't fathom why ppl suport SS or even debate about....

 

Sasuke has never shown the tiniest fragment of love or honestly even liking Sakura....

 

That's not an exact way to put it. During their genin days he showed some kind of sympathy towards Sakura. And even complimented her... once or twice. It was barely visible, just few shreds of affection. And nothing more. Nevertheless, overall he treated her aloofly reflecting young Kakashi's attitude who had behawed indifferently towards Rin before Obito's supposed death. As far as I see, three years of separation had mercilessly squashed the tiny germ of possible romance between those two. I don't know how anyone can really hope for SS. Well, some people like to believe in miracles.   


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:13 AM

 

Well he did once cherish her as one of his companions in his new "family" alongside Naruto and Kakashi. There was never even a minuscule hint of romantic effection for her but he was concerned for her wellbeing at one point. My god... I can remember how he was back then. Two of the most notable moments for him IMO were his willingness to sacrifice his own life to allow Sakura and Naruto the opportunity to flee and the conviction he displayed during his preliminary fight to prevent the Curse Seal's malevolent influences from consuming his mind and body. He actually seemed to be making considerable progress to act like a compassionate and honourable human being back then.

 

Sadly, all of that is gone now. Even with this newly reformed Sasuke appearing to fight for the sake of Konoha's preservation he is not the person that he once was.

Yea none of that equates to Naruto. Honeslty I dont think hes good now anyway, it might be "good" in his opnion, but he might want to take the world in a different direction, idk, would fit his character, then again hes more of a person who just wants to carry out his brothers will now.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:23 AM

Well regarding Sasuke at one point the conflicts of their relationship will be resolved and if not romantic at least the both of them could talk without making one or the other ackward.
Sasuke considered Naruto an outsider, Sakura is even worse taking into consideration what also happened in chp. 3 so Sakura finding out that the village was the source of Sasuke's pain will shake her up a bit.
I have a bit of faith in her trust in Naruto. His resolve will help her find an answer.

As for SS we need to see Sasuke change his opinion of her and even develop something that would resemble some feelings towards her. That's really SS only hope and something along this can happen.
Sakura wanted to be acknowledged by Sasuke, but it doesnt seem to be romantic in nature anymore

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:33 AM

Well probably Sasuke will try to push for Hokage right after the juubi is defeated.  And I kinda see Naruto trying to tell Sasuke what Itachi told him, but Sasuke will dismiss it as lies. As for Sakura she will support Naruto. Now here is the thing. Naruto may be willing to give up becoming Hokage in order to save his friend but not sure what will Sakura do in that situation.


That gives me a very interesting idea about what could happen - I think if Naruto ended up saying that Sasuke could be hokage, like what Hashirama said to Madara, then Sakura would be the one to snap him to his senses, and I think that it could culminate into her admitting her willingness to protect his dream, maybe referring back to her near-sacrifice in the chunin exams and maybe turning into a romantic moment where Naruto finally recognizes Sakura's growing feelings for him and Sakura realizes her newfound feelings as true love... Hmmm...

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:36 AM

Honestly, it wouldn't make any difference for Sakura because love part is personal and Sasuke is already on the road to redemption. She doesn't add anything to it. If Sasuke tells the world why, then she's not exclusive. Even then, it's just helping her understand where is he coming from, but honestly, she won't be left in the dark thinking about it. Plus, Team Taka knows about it, so what make her special. Yes, I'm being serious.

If anything, it will only help Team 7 as a whole, rather than herself. People likes to think everything must be romance, but it can very well backfire. It's more of a team conclusion once they get everything altogether. What's ironic is if Naruto tells her, it will cause a conversation between them, only to leave Sakura concerning about Naruto not able to have Sasuke trust him to be the Hokage and fix everything what's right. By this point, Sasuke already established for people in Konoha is a normal thing, nothing sticking out unique. The only downside is care factor, but that doesn't ultimately result in love. The story for Sasuke is build around family and brotherhood. The story for Naruto is build around family and life (goals, love, etc).

Sakura actually fits more to Naruto because his story involves her in family/lover, thanks to his connections with others (Obito, Jiraiya, Minato, etc). Sakura only fits in family for Sasuke because his other half involves with brotherhood/best friend (Madara, Danzou, etc). Honestly, that story holds more to team 7 than herself and Naruto wants to fix it. In the end, it's going to backfire very hard. My last warning for SS.

P.S. who's my real and only enemy? I'll tell you who: no pairing choice!

yeah i agree this is narusaku true enemy, and this is what anti-ns want. if their pairing don't happen than no pairing at all in naruto is their common choice.

 

i doubt no pairing choice will happen, because :

  1. naruto is an adventure manga
  2. naruto isn't a school life genre
  3. naruto isn't a harem manga
  4. when naruto ask kushina about her love life with minato, pairing love become a serious busnisse
  5. kishi say in interview that a pairing will happen
  6. too many narusaku pairing parallel
  7. this manga is naruto biography
  8. this manga story told from 5 generation prespective. I suspect there will be future generation(narusaku kid)
  9. naruto is japanese harry potter, expect an epilogue

but there's no guaranty for my claim, but I quoute one of NF troll, 

ichihimelove said : "narusaku will 95% happen, with 5% no pairing"



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:37 AM

I feel like this chapter is a foreshadow for the finale: Naruto vs Sasuke for the title, and Naruto and Sakura being together. I mean the title is Team 7 and so many reference to Team 7, mainly about Naruto, which makes sense. Hm...

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:26 AM

As for SS we need to see Sasuke change his opinion of her and even develop something that would resemble some feelings towards her. That's really SS only hope and something along this can happen.
Sakura wanted to be acknowledged by Sasuke, but it doesnt seem to be romantic in nature anymore

 

I think the last scene of 631 where Sakura defends her growth and Naruto just smiles really didn't get the recognition it deserved. It all went back to how Naruto came to love/like Sakura because she craved acknowledgement like him, but this time she wanted Naruto's acknowledgement, not Sasuke's. I think this just speaks for how much development they've gone through, and it's unfortunate people chose to ignore it. There's no way people can call this scene comic-relief like they did to Minato's question.  ^_^

 

I really don't see SS as a possibility anymore. Even at this point Sakura wants T7 more than having Sasuke back for her own selfish reasons. But I think one of the negative side effects of SS is that many people who ship it view Sakura as the same girl she was in Part 1, instead of the strong person she's become. Then it just leads to people ignoring all her development (especially her development with Naruto), which I think caused her to have all the haters she has today. 


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:59 AM

 

I think the last scene of 631 where Sakura defends her growth and Naruto just smiles really didn't get the recognition it deserved. It all went back to how Naruto came to love/like Sakura because she craved acknowledgement like him, but this time she wanted Naruto's acknowledgement, not Sasuke's. I think this just speaks for how much development they've gone through, and it's unfortunate people chose to ignore it. There's no way people can call this scene comic-relief like they did to Minato's question.  ^_^

 

I really don't see SS as a possibility anymore. Even at this point Sakura wants T7 more than having Sasuke back for her own selfish reasons. But I think one of the negative side effects of SS is that many people who ship it view Sakura as the same girl she was in Part 1, instead of the strong person she's become. Then it just leads to people ignoring all her development (especially her development with Naruto), which I think caused her to have all the haters she has today. 

 

Well put.

 

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 05:02 AM

 

Well put.

 

I tried liking your post but it didn't work...

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 06:59 AM

So what's the stance of people here regarding Sakura's confession given what happened in 631?
 
We know that she was sacrificing her feelings (to have Sasuke back with them) for the sake of Naruto's safety. But does that mean she was consciously lying when she said "I love you" to Naruto?

 

Did she believe in her love for Naruto or was she just pretending for his sake? Given her outraged response in 470 it seems she was trying to be genuine about loving Naruto, but what she was conscious about was her repression of what she felt for Sasuke.


Edited by redragon88, 26 May 2013 - 07:03 AM.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 07:28 AM

So what's the stance of people here regarding Sakura's confession given what happened in 631?
 
We know that she was sacrificing her feelings (to have Sasuke back with them) for the sake of Naruto's safety. But does that mean she was consciously lying when she said "I love you" to Naruto?
 
Did she believe in her love for Naruto or was she just pretending for his sake? Given her outraged response in 470 it seems she was trying to be genuine about loving Naruto, but what she was conscious about was her repression of what she felt for Sasuke.


I still don't know. Maybe she really loves him but she wasn't able to give up on her feelings for Sasuke.Naruto didn't believe she was over him because he knows her.But judging by the last scene in this chapter he still has a lot to learn about her

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 08:22 AM

So what's the stance of people here regarding Sakura's confession given what happened in 631?
 
We know that she was sacrificing her feelings (to have Sasuke back with them) for the sake of Naruto's safety. But does that mean she was consciously lying when she said "I love you" to Naruto?
 
Did she believe in her love for Naruto or was she just pretending for his sake? Given her outraged response in 470 it seems she was trying to be genuine about loving Naruto, but what she was conscious about was her repression of what she felt for Sasuke.


He only really told her not to lie to herself after she said she didn't love Sasuke any more, something most people seem to either forget or not think about, especially NH/SS fans. It's fairly possible he thinks that she loves both of them. It doesn't even have to mean he thinks she holds a romantic love towards Sasuke either, just that she loves him in some manner as he probably still does.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 01:52 PM

Just joking about the exaggerated SS fans' reaction to Sasuke's calling Sakura's name. Hmm... if my memory doesn't play tricks on me, then Sasuke always says just "Sakura" when they meet every time in shippudden. I wonder if he does that to make sure that he still remembers her name correctly. :lulz:  That is the most positive moment of his response to her, I think.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 01:56 PM

Just joking about the exaggerated SS fans' reaction to Sasuke's calling Sakura's name. Hmm... if my memory doesn't play trick on me, then Sasuke always says just "Sakura" when they meet every time in shippudden. I wonder if he does that to make sure that he still remembers her name correctly. :lulz:  That is the most positive moment of his response to her, I think.

I think I found it funny when that moment happened, he's like "Yo..." When Karin showed up, he's like "Uh oh..." In that panel, you see him sweating. I guess that's why he said sorry because he did strike her, rather than other he only come near. Odd...

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:14 PM

Part of me is a bit worried about the speculations of Sakura "dying" but she won't be killed off for good, Im guessing all these speculations came up as a means of Obitos Rinne Tensi, just because he has it and its lying around waiting to be used.

 

I for the most part would rather see Obito fully revive Madara for an ultimate battle, basically coming down to the wire and countdown to doom. However there can always be Obito's redemption. Its just with sakura dying even temporarily, well we would need to be prepped to take some harrassment for it, but even then right after her "death" maybe Obito would resolve to use it to redeem himself and truely show that Madara it alone in his own hate, by reviving Sakura. If he sees himself in Naruto and Rin in Sakura, he would give Naruto the chance he never had with Rin. Maybe Naruto can get the rinne tensei too if the rinnegan does awaken within him.

 

This would make the sakura and anti-ns haters go from  "yay she is dead" to "WTF Kishi? You revived her and not Neji?" That would be the ultimate annoyance to them.

 

But in my opinion, I would rather not see Sakura die, even this late in. I mean she is still ordinary, this is a universe where best genes give you the best powers, I would at least like it if her being part of the normal group, is able to live and have endured beyond most others to have survived simply due to her skills and intellengce.

 

Also Sakura cannot die for good, rather anyone for team 7. Its near the end of the series, when main characters are killed off, someone is usually around to pick up the "mantle" and continue what they did. Well there is no one following Sakura now is there? Hinata cannot asend to heroine in the end of the story, in fact this is not only the final battle for her but most of the other characters in the series too. Sakura has a support role in Naruto vs Sasuke at least. So if Hinata became the heroine, what heroine duties are there for her to accomplish since the ten tails threat has been stopped? Thats the point, there is too much involved with Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke for any of them to die for good.

 

If Sakura "dies" haters would leap all over it and laugh, but only frown and become angry after a revival via rinne tensi. Guess anyone can relay this to tumblr too: Sakura is a main character, she is the heroine, she is highly involved in the story, she won't be killed for good just so that NH could happen. Part of the story of team 7 is surpassing their older generations, accomplishing what their predisessors failed in, kinda like succeed where hashirama, Madara, team Sannin, team Minato, Itachi, Nagato, etc all the places that others failed in, team 7 should succeed in. The Naruto vs Sasuke fight is not complete unless Sakura is present, you cannot have team 7 without Sakura. Its very late in the story, the ten tails fight will start this week, if Sakura dies who is suddenly going to replace her? Hinata, don't make me laugh, does she have a reason for a sudden powerup? I give kishi a little slack with the Sakura powerup even if its just "trained by Sannin BS," but its BS that makes sense. Ino and tenten sure arn't going to get any spotling soon, they don't have the power to match the current fight. She is important no matter how you cut it. In fact if Sakura did die for good, NS and SS are not the only ones hurt, NH would be hurt too, just as Sasuke is the goal of hokage and Sakura for Naruto, how do you think Naruto would feel if he could not save Sakura or yet complete the promise to her? It was the only thing she ever asked him, the promise of a lifetime. So how could he even stand to go for Hinata or even any girl if the one girl he promised somthing to, loving her or not, actually died and he could never fulfill her wish? Thats the point. If Sakura dies for good, all pairings die. Yet haters think Naruto is totally focused on Hinata, he is not. It remains simple, just as Sasuke is his goal for hokage and Sakura, Sakura is his goal for the promise and love. If she died, would you think Naruto would ever think himself worthy of hokage or any other girl for that matter? Remember what he constantly said to Sasuke and a few others a few times in the series, "how can I be hokage if I can't even save one friend?" This would if anything apply to Sakura too. Yes Neji died and it was shocking to him, he was aware of the choice and sacrifice Neji made, but Neji did that on his own free will, Naruto didn't have any lingering promises or vows on anyone else besides himself and Sakura now did he? He has a personal vow for Sakura and to himself by the promise. Naruto accepted Neji's sacrifice, but he would never accept his own failure. Besides, this is Naruto we are talking about, he saved Sakura 2 times already, (maybe 3 if she is included with the rest of the village during pain). At this point, Im willing to bet Naruto would defy death itself to save Sakura, remember what Sakura said, "When people told him it was impossible, he always proved them wrong again and again." Should there be a Sakura "death" I'm prepared but hey theres a rinne tensei laying around and as much as others would want Neji back, sorry, Its team 7's story, not team 7 plus Hinata or neji. Because the whole aspect of these things, Sakura is not going to get axed no matter how much some haters want it. I'm ready to endure the ridcule of her "death" but hey theres a reason Obito, Rin, and Kakashi parallel Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke respectively. Talk no jutsu has worked wonders in the past, it will again. Simply put, Naruto is going to save Sakura even from freaking death itself. :omg: 


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:37 PM

Heres the thing... Sakura is about to get her power-up. How would killing her temp or perm make sense after giving her a power up?

 

As you said if Sakura dies, all pairings die. NH think they would win but Naruto would never think himself worthy of any girl if he lost Sakura


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:39 PM

Watching Naruto on toonami yesterday and Naruto after a flashback where Sakura hits him says "I like when Sakura is coy, it just makes her cuter" I think we're all on the same boat.

More importantly thou, konahamru asks Sakura if she's Narutos girlfriend and she's says back then "get real" fast forward to now she's tells him to worry about healing....

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:40 PM

And thats why I said because of the reason of the 457, in a few ways, NH actually depends on NS because either way Naruto would need closure with Sakura before moving on if anything else.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:41 PM

Dunno why she would die with so many strong ninjas on the battlefield, the one who's going to be ressurrected for me it's obviously going to be Neji as a retribution for what Obito has done and to redeem himself to Naruto.
I'm expecting is a flashback about how Sakura got that power, i believe that the motivation is Naruto after that reunition of team 7 when she could do nothing, then she questionend Tsunade to train her.

IF her motivations are exclusively because of Naruto, then it's another huge step for NS to be canon.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:41 PM

Heres the thing... Sakura is about to get her power-up. How would killing her temp or perm make sense after giving her a power up?

 

As you said if Sakura dies, all pairings die. NH think they would win but Naruto would never think himself worthy of any girl if he lost Sakura

 

If she died he would become a wandering ninja just like Jiraya did.


 





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