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[Gravenimage]

Word..just Word, dude

Besides, to me, NS was confirmed already in databook 3. If what you said is true, I can't wait to see all the YT-reviewers reactions(as 80% like NH) XD
Hope that was legal to say. If not, you mods can edit it. I don't mean to bash the NH fans, but he who laughs last laughs best. :3

Why I highly believe Kishi is going to troll NH fans once more??? He already did at 437 (first trolling move) with her confession and looked how that ended. Sakura hugging Naruto in front of the entire village and Naruto didn't even thought about Hinata not even once. Then there's the RTN movie (second trolling move) which the teaser trailers showed NH and SS and when the movie was released it was completely the opposite once more NH got trolled big time. Now what are the chances that he's going to do it a third time with this chapter??? Chances are very high because this is just like Hinata's confession all over again, but instead of ending with Sakura hugging Naruto it might even be a kiss (I really hope so for this ).

Edited by Gravenimage, 29 December 2012 - 04:05 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well yeah, he just has to prove it. I do have some volumes, but not in order. The only part 2 volume I have is the very first one. Always like the reunion with Team Kakashi. So yeah, if he does it, I'll keep my word.

@Darkrerst: You make a good point. The thing is that we have Sasuke left and supposedly they have the one key to rule them all. That said we got ourselves a new situation. Sasuke may be calmed, but he's still up to no good, especially if his next plan doesn't favor the world rather only himself. The main point is that this arc is not the final stop or at least this fight. Sasuke also has backup, so one more rounds of fights. Let's not go deep with Sasuke until this ends.

I just want to comment on the possible situation with Sakura's reaction with Tsunade. Like I said before, Naruto will be effected by this as well. If you ask me, perhaps the latest development can pass down to her as well by explaining that Tsunade sacrifice herself for him to end the madness. Sakura may learn this and really push forward that she will support Naruto at all cost. Yes, she has already but Tsunade's death (or at least fatal injury) will wake her up to proceed to protect Naruto. Sakura is still skeptical about Naruto's plan against Sasuke, so that will play a role. Plus, Naruto and Sakura are very close to Tsunade, so they can relate to this. That moment can be a deal breaker. Lastly, I believe Sakura is against the idea of revenge fully even if she don't know that feeling. It's just that she is kind hearted who is vulnerable in emotion. She didn't like how Naruto wanted vengeance against Pain. Actually, if I recall, I don't think she didn't like how Shikamaru describe his status (revenge) but I could be wrong. Anyway, time will tell soon enough.

She does not feel what revenge is but this is the problem how can SS happen if all the development that Sakura had now is about understanding Naruto.
Like said tsunade's death would affect Naruto but what will he learn from this actually nothing, but Sakura will, she will know how Naruto felt when he lose Jiraya,she will understand pain, she was like a mother to her, which again another development towards Naruto, which will not be towards Sasuke because this does not lead to revenge desires
Then again will have sense if he suddenly drop all this to make NH and SS canon?
There's nothing for Hinata anymore, she cant understand Naruto.

And then Sakura will actually falling in love with Naruto because he become an amazing person and ninja that overcome all those difficulties.

About NH being trolled.
It's just a matter of arrogance every little Hinata scene they has to scream to all the 4 corners of the internet saying "Nh is canon".

And Neji will be ressurrected just saiyan.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 04:17 PM.

[六道仙人]

Just last night I'd a strange dream but fun. I was dreaming to be a place, where there're the best mangakas of this era. There were Oda, Kubot, Togashi, Kishimoto, Inoue, Urasawa, Miura and still others. They were sitting in front of me and I was on a stage with a person who was interviewing me. This persone made me questions about my opinions on the works of these mangakas who were present here. I review them fairly positive, especially regarding One Piece, HxH and Urasawa's works. Then comes the turn of Naruto, when the person who's interviewing me makes this question "And what do you think about Naruto?"... Well, I dreamed that I gave vaguely the anwser saying "Naruto?... Well, It slipped through my mind." And then i glanced funny Kishimoto, who was totally shocked and had a princeless face.

What a fun dream, I would that become a reality.

[kidNinja]

Just last night I'd a strange dream but fun. I was dreaming to be a place, where there're the best mangakas of this era. There were Oda, Kubot, Togashi, Kishimoto, Inoue, Urasawa, Miura and still others. They were sitting in front of me and I was on a stage with a person who was interviewing me. This persone made me questions about my opinions on the works of these mangakas who were present here. I review them fairly positive, especially regarding One Piece, HxH and Urasawa's works. Then comes the turn of Naruto, when the person who's interviewing me makes this question "And what do you think about Naruto?"... Well, I dreamed that I gave vaguely the anwser saying "Naruto?... Well, It slipped through my mind." And then i glanced funny Kishimoto, who was totally shocked and had a princeless face.

What a fun dream, I would that become a reality.

Inb4 you win a sweepstakes and actually end up on stage with them.

[4000TMNT]

Hey Dαrkrєrsŧ, are they currently debating about the pairings at 2ch, if so, whose is winning.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hey Dαrkrєrsŧ, are they currently debating about the pairings at 2ch, if so, whose is winning.

There's no debate on 2ch i was just lurking on 2ch and brchan and i found some comments like what i did.

[TouKen4Life3g]

She does not feel what revenge is but this is the problem how can SS happen if all the development that Sakura had now is about understanding Naruto.
Like said tsunade's death would affect Naruto but what will he learn from this actually nothing, but Sakura will, she will know how Naruto felt when he lose Jiraya,she will understand pain, she was like a mother to her, which again another development towards Naruto, which will not be towards Sasuke because this does not lead to revenge desires
Then again will have sense if he suddenly drop all this to make NH and SS canon?
There's nothing for Hinata anymore, she cant understand Naruto.

And then Sakura will actually falling in love with Naruto because he become an amazing person and ninja that overcome all those difficulties.

About NH being trolled.
It's just a matter of arrogance every little Hinata scene they has to scream to all the 4 corners of the internet saying "Nh is canon".

And Neji will be ressurrected just saiyan.

Yeah. I don't think Naruto will have the most effect but I do think he will get some of it. He won't mourn like just now, but he will still be upset because he was the one that brought her hope and became Hokage because of it. He was close to her as well and he did have that argument which he probably wish he never had. Again, won't mourn like Jiraiya's death but he definitely will be upset. He most likely will tell Sakura about her dying wish like him finishing the fight and sacrificing. It all relies to that moment but of course, we got to wait.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah. I don't think Naruto will have the most effect but I do think he will get some of it. He won't mourn like just now, but he will still be upset because he was the one that brought her hope and became Hokage because of it. He was close to her as well and he did have that argument which he probably wish he never had. Again, won't mourn like Jiraiya's death but he definitely will be upset. He most likely will tell Sakura about her dying wish like him finishing the fight and sacrificing. It all relies to that moment but of course, we got to wait.

I dont rely on this moment, I'l waiting the Obi/Rin stuff.
Because i think that Naruto will reinforce/state again his feelings for Sakura.


All the villains Naruto converted them after feeling their pain, Nagato, Zabuza, Sasuke(not converted), Gaara, etc...
He simply cant convince Obito with Neji's death, i think Obito will get more angry and will continue targeting more people, seems that Madara is unable to fight since he's busy helping to control the juubi.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 04:48 PM.

[Catwho]

A few days late here, I'm on vacation in Florida so missed it when it first came out.

You know why I'm not worried? Because they are both in shock with grief, and when someone you care for deeply just died, you need human contact. If someone's cousin had just died in front of their eyes, I'd hold their hands too, no matter whether I liked them romantically or not.

This is a Hinata character development moment, and for me, this shows the culmination of Hinata's journey. She's alive - the strongest rival in her clan was killed in battle. She will take on the role she was destined for, as leader of her clan, to avenge his death. She was able to snap Naruto out of the endless despair and for that she is basically the savior of the arc. Now Naruto needs to be to Sasuke what Hinata was just for him - someone to pull him back from the dark side.

Hinata is the only one thinking "his hand is so big and warm" - we don't get the reciprocal thoughts from Naruto of "her hand is so fragile" blah blah because his focus is on the fact that he very nearly gave into despair and forgot how much love propelled him to where he is and how much good there still is in this world.

If Obito had had a Hinata type character to save him from his own despair when Madura first got a hold of him after he almost died, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

A few days late here, I'm on vacation in Florida so missed it when it first came out.

You know why I'm not worried? Because they are both in shock with grief, and when someone you care for deeply just died, you need human contact. If someone's cousin had just died in front of their eyes, I'd hold their hands too, no matter whether I liked them romantically or not.

This is a Hinata character development moment, and for me, this shows the culmination of Hinata's journey. She's alive - the strongest rival in her clan was killed in battle. She will take on the role she was destined for, as leader of her clan, to avenge his death. She was able to snap Naruto out of the endless despair and for that she is basically the savior of the arc. Now Naruto needs to be to Sasuke what Hinata was just for him - someone to pull him back from the dark side.

Hinata is the only one thinking "his hand is so big and warm" - we don't get the reciprocal thoughts from Naruto of "her hand is so fragile" blah blah because his focus is on the fact that he very nearly gave into despair and forgot how much love propelled him to where he is and how much good there still is in this world.

If Obito had had a Hinata type character to save him from his own despair when Madura first got a hold of him after he almost died, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place!

Disagree with you there completely, everyone saved Naruto from Darkness(he said about this so many chapters before omg), Hinata remind Naruto about his Ninja way, and kyuubi reminded Naruto that his life is not just the only one, and remind him about the people who sacrificed their lives in order to Naruto live.
And how he was connected with all the people.

Obito's setup is different, Obito failed becuase he lose someome who he really loved and vow to protect, he see his "best friend" killing the love of his life, Naruto didnt experienced this, is different it's like you putting Neji and Sakura on the same balance.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 05:00 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I dont rely on this moment, I'l waiting the Obi/Rin stuff.
Because i think that Naruto will reinforce/state again his feelings for Sakura.


All the villains Naruto converted them after feeling their pain, Nagato, Zabuza, Sasuke(not converted), Gaara, etc...
He simply cant convince Obito with Neji's death, i think Obito will get more angry and will continue targeting more people, seems that Madara is unable to fight since he's busy helping to control the juubi.

Good point. I do wonder if Naruto will get the story of Obito from him or Kakashi. It would seem he will get it from him saying that he will listen to his story later. After all, Kakashi is his Sensei, so it will be ok to learn something about the past, especially the way Kakashi taught is Obito's style (the trash speech). We got to see how it will go down soon. Obito is fighting once again since Killer Bee strikes back. Everyone is focusing on the fight since Killer Bee attack, so I don't know if everyone in the field saw Naruto holding Hinata's hand. Obito probably lost focus at this point which Naruto will strike and probably cause Obito more furious since Naruto is still stable. The upcoming chapters are crucial as I said in my previous post. What Obito needs now is to see someone healing Naruto with medic skill (of course). That will trigger it. It's funny to note that Naruto didn't have that "only to my love" smile on with Hinata, and you can't say "Well he don't have time." After all, he did worry her before she has to pep talk. That's why a follow up is needed.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Good point. I do wonder if Naruto will get the story of Obito from him or Kakashi. It would seem he will get it from him saying that he will listen to his story later. After all, Kakashi is his Sensei, so it will be ok to learn something about the past, especially the way Kakashi taught is Obito's style (the trash speech). We got to see how it will go down soon. Obito is fighting once again since Killer Bee strikes back. Everyone is focusing on the fight since Killer Bee attack, so I don't know if everyone in the field saw Naruto holding Hinata's hand. Obito probably lost focus at this point which Naruto will strike and probably cause Obito more furious since Naruto is still stable. The upcoming chapters are crucial as I said in my previous post. What Obito needs now is to see someone healing Naruto with medic skill (of course). That will trigger it. It's funny to note that Naruto didn't have that "only to my love" smile on with Hinata, and you can't say "Well he don't have time." After all, he did worry her before she has to pep talk. That's why a follow up is needed.

He probably see him restoring her chakra he will dont see it as a romantic, like i said is more likely that he will focus on Naruto's comrades, not hinata, he will start targetting them, he may hit Sakura or Sakura do something to save Kakashi and gets hit.
She dying or Naruto will heavily injury Naruto and Hinata cant do anything, i do not want to sound like a fanfic but i think he will probably say i love you to sakura and swear that he would change the world.

Obito sees it and Naruto's determination, then he gets converted to the good side and uses rinne tensei no jutsu to ressurrect everyone minus the guys who didnt die on the battlefield.
Like, Tsunade(probably), Izuna, Shikaku.

[六道仙人]

the only problem here is that naruto has Kurama, who has healing powers too...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

the only problem here is that naruto has Kurama, who has healing powers too...

But still he could not heal Neji, and i doubt that he can heal other persons, he only transfer Chakra, proof of this is that Kakashi/Gai still needed medical attention

[Serenity Namikaze]

Been too long since I've posted anything but still like to come and read what people are saying. However, for this chapter, I'll put my two cent ( even if I'll repeat most of what people said already )

I'll say even if I don't like Hinata, I was actually happy to see her stand up and actually help Naruto for once ( well, she did that too on the chunnin exam before Naruto vs Neji but it been so long since that moment and after that, she did nothing to him IMO). I consider it as NH (even if I'm an hardcore NS fan, the way Hinata still let her hand in Naruto's cheek and Naruto's progress to take out Hinata's hand only to held it, I found it extremely sweet).

The fact that is happening with Hinata and Naruto now, means that there won't be NH.

When a protagonist is fulfilling something that resides in the view of a side character who's interested in the protagonist and before the manga is far away to end, is part of a classic manga way, meaning for the fact that it's happening now, not near the end to just add this, is a sign that they won't be together and next, this side character won't have another big spotlight like that one that he/she had.
Yes, this chapter is good for a bunch of hints of NH but not in the way of them being possibly canon now or in the future.

This is what I think, thank you for the good post. You can't consider Hinata's grow without Naruto since Naruto is what she's stand for. Chapter 573 confirm that long before chapter 615 that this would come so I wasn't surprise to see it. However, this is like in chapter 573, each will have what they said and since Hinata was the first and the longest, it was logic to me that she would have the longest development of all so I expect at least 2 chapters with her. Then, after that, we'll have the rest of the people that did there speech in chapter 573 and to me as soon as we see the others shine, I think that it will be the last that we'll see Hinata shine and being in the front seat.

In continuation of chapter 573, since Sakura's speech was last ( and quite as long as Hinata's) I expect that her shinning moment will be at last and I do believe that she will have her moment before Sasuke come, I expect maybe all the rookie standing by Naruto's side and Sakura saying to Naruto ' You see Naruto, not only me but EVERYONE stand for you, wanting to help you so you're not alone' and I expect Sakura to be in the front seat because she is the heroine, she'll have the final moment and the best part to make Naruto realize that he's not alone and to me that will beat Hinata's speech as competitor of who's the heroine in my opinion.

It was a big moments for NH, congratulation for the NH fans, but to me it will take alot more then that to see it as a cannon. It hurt the NS big now but unless we see Naruto actually showing more then friendship support toward Hinata ( sorry but there are indication in this chapter that he still consider her as friend, only this time he acknowledge her more) and him showing that he no longer love Sakura, I say that we're still are in the lead.

I really like Kurama's speech, reminding that before this all of this happen, that he has his parents live on him. Hinata's speech was sweet and very convincing but let's not forget Kurama's, I don't give Hinata all the credit because if it wasn't Kurama's speech about his parents, Naruto would still have some doubt about all of this. The 'Thanks for staying by my side' from Naruto to me feel like he's thankful to Hinata for staying with him during this moment, the fact that she help him regain confidence in his belief but I didn't feel like it was because she was always by his side because she wasn't, she was always in his shadow, watching him form behind and doing nothing to help him, even when he need it most. The only thing that I didn't like much was that Naruto look weak in the last two chapter, not the Naruto that grow to like. However, as bad as it look like, to be able to let the secondary character shine, you have to let your main character stay in the back seat, it's hard but it has to be done but I really can't wait to see Naruto standing on his own, looking at all of his friends, then smile and with a determine look standing like a leader he should and I hope he will be.

As for Sakura's panel, I didn't consider it as jealousy and frankly, I don't want Sakura to be a romance devise like I feel like Hinata is, I want her to be the heroine like I think she still is, even after this chapter so I don't want and I don't think that her expression held jealousy, I think it held shock about Hinata inspiring words.

Overall, as crazy as it may sound, I still have faith in kishi's writing, I don't think he fail in showing Hinata taking that lead ( for now), I wait and see what he's planning because there is still a lot going on and to me it's far form being over, the pairing war, I expect more NH and of course SS so I'm prepare for this lol However, before pairing hints, what I truly can't wait to see is Sakura shining moments, that's what is important and I still believe that Kishi will do more on her, more then just romantic device and being so far what I always see in her, the heroine.

For now, I'll continue to enjoy the rest of the war and stay patient that we'll see NS and mostly Sakura moment. Like some have already stated, after every NH and SS, there is always a NS and since now we're having more development for NH and later SS, I expect a big NSlater, I'm just being patient and for now, enjoying the rest of the action

[Codus N]

Not trying to be rude here.

But I don't get why you're repeating again and again, "try to accept if the negative comes" when the people on this thread already does.
When people list their hopes and reasons, you repeat this again and again, and it looks like you're trying to crush down when people have hopes for NS. Being rational, and looking at things in a neutral point of view is a good thing, but neutral=/=negative, logical=/=negative. Yours just sound negative, instead of being neutral and logical. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if you will say, "We can't say they are canon yet. Kishi might troll us again", when Naruto and Sakura kisses each other.

People are stating their reasons to why they believe NH is not romantic in a rational way, and your answer to that is "we cannot be so sure."
If you want people to be negative about NS then state the reasons how there can be no more romantic development logically. Trying to crush people's reasons with a "you cannot be so sure" goes nowhere and it only goes to show that you don't have anything to back-up your claim.

Of course I'm just talking about the impression I get from reading your posts. But the constant "we cannot be sure yet" replies to rational backed-up theories people are giving out sounds rude.

It's nothing like that. I just don't want people to get too overly optimistic and get way over their heads only to end up in massive disappointment.

This thread is kinda depressing enough as it is and one thing that I hate is seeing people getting all depressed. Another reason why is that whenever I have boundless optimism for something, my wishes and hopes always get shot to hell. That's why I'm trying to be a pessimistic kind of person in hopes that I get better results (weird logic, I know. But I'm sure some of you have experienced this once or twice before).

Thanks.



There is no way to know that unfortunately until you see a pattern. When you see quality go down because blatant ripping of character just to gain profits, then you start to wonder how can such a story be printed without being proof read. Sure an editor may make a mistake or two, but I think an editor needs to be like a lawyer. They shouldn't (and I emphasize this) let their personal feelings interfere with their job. If you do, then they cause problems not only for the job , but the product itself and the fanbase that follows it.

Here is the kicker, are the editor's aware of the shipping wars? I'd say so. Should they let this interfere with their job? No, cause that's not what they are supposed to be doing. They just are meant to maintain quality control.

I don't know what kind of job a Manga editor does, but I do know what a Comic book editors does. I'll put a review at the bottom of a brief summary. Since comic books are close to Manga, I would think that their jobs are rather similar. Here was written in a brochure I got once for a job offer.

Comic book editors. --Click here to view--

Comic Book Editors meet with the Writer at the beginning of production to discuss the story concept. If you’re a Comic Book Editor working with existing characters with a long history, you discuss the things that character can and cannot do. Allowing your Writers to take liberties, such as giving an old character new powers, will get you in trouble with diehard fans, so you work hard to maintain continuity. After this meeting, you set a schedule for production.

Once the Writer turns in a script, you meet with the Illustrator and discuss how the comic book should look and feel. You may provide examples of previous issues, or you may ask to see sketches from the Illustrator as work progresses.

Once the illustrations are complete, you send the document to the Colorist for a pop of red and blue, and then you ask the Letterer to put dialogue from the script into the dialogue balloons.

After each step is complete, you perform a quick quality check to make sure the story makes sense, looks good, reads well, and has no grammatical errors. Any mistake you find must be corrected, but Artists can be touchy about disapproval. Sandwiching your criticism between nuggets of praise helps soften the blow.

Each step must be completed on time so production can move forward and the comic book can head to the print house and the website. One of your duties as a Comic Book Editor is to remind your team members of the deadlines on a regular basis so they can stay on schedule.

The bolded parts are most interesting my opinion as they seem to point at just maintaining the universe, not writing it. So if the writer has a plan and that plan is to do this, the editor's job is to maintain quality control. He can alter the course to make it flow better, but I don't think he is allowed to break the course without permission from the writer.

A sensible idea would be that if the editor is forcing things to happen in the story, then he is breaking his role as the editor and he should be fired. Would explain why Kishi has fired previous editors over the years. Maybe they wanted the bias and they let it affect their work. We don't know. More or less, if a big uproar is made by the fans about the quality, it is up to the editor to see that and adjust the story to accommodate that. Complaining about not getting your pairing choice is not what they look for though.



True. I'd say we have to see what the upcoming chapters would be before we decide whether or not the editor is doing his job right. One chapter won't do it and it takes a while for the reactions of the fans gets to the editors.

Bolded: I know that. I'm just speculating on whether there is some kind of pattern unbeknownst to us regarding Hinata only known by Kishi and his editors. If my speculation is true, then it explains the decision on this chapter.

As for the rest of those stuff, I agree. But I can't shake off the feeling that Kishi is being paired with a bad editor currently.

Sorry, I don't think it's quite likely. To 'compete' with Hinata's word of encouragement to Naruto, Sakura would need to do something more impactful. If it's another encouragement, it will probably make her looks pale compared to Hinata. One thing that I hope is she could leverage her medic skills to help Naruto, while at the same time showing the readers that she has important place in Naruto's journey. The supporting role as a girl in Naruto's age to keep him inline isn't unique to Sakura's character anymore since this chapter. So, it should be a more unique and impactful act... I have no idea what that'd be, but I'm curious to see how Kishi will address this.

Yeah. But thing is, I dunno what she can do top this off. The only thing I can think off to top would be the hand holding. What would top this off?? Three guesses.

And actually when Sakura's moment comes, I'm kind of expecting Naruto to only lightly be involved. Like when Sakura took down Sasori. Naruto wasn't involved. Sakura did it all on her own. However for Hinata her whole development, her whole character hinges on Naruto. All of it. Her moments are spent crushing on Naruto. Not in independent development.

So a "moment" for Sakura would be her exhibiting her strength, not mooning over Naruto. So if we support her and her pairing, we have to keep that in mind — that her development has been about her, not about her crushes.

Agree. But who's going to be the punching bag?? Madara?? maybe. But I'd actually save that for Shikamaru. So far, he is being built up as a legendary war hero alongside with Naruto.

Just last night I'd a strange dream but fun. I was dreaming to be a place, where there're the best mangakas of this era. There were Oda, Kubot, Togashi, Kishimoto, Inoue, Urasawa, Miura and still others. They were sitting in front of me and I was on a stage with a person who was interviewing me. This persone made me questions about my opinions on the works of these mangakas who were present here. I review them fairly positive, especially regarding One Piece, HxH and Urasawa's works. Then comes the turn of Naruto, when the person who's interviewing me makes this question "And what do you think about Naruto?"... Well, I dreamed that I gave vaguely the anwser saying "Naruto?... Well, It slipped through my mind." And then i glanced funny Kishimoto, who was totally shocked and had a princeless face.

What a fun dream, I would that become a reality.

I would love it if I could dream that soon.

[MoonStar]

Hi everyone. That's right I'm new. Though I have been aware of this site since around 2007 and I've been here a lot. Ironic that I've been the biggest NS shipper and yet I've decided to join the official site when the pairing dies. This is gonna be more of a rant. A rant that many of you will probably still disagree with. I apologize for any typos, I was too upset to check if I wrote coherently.


I've read through all the pages and I've noticed about 4 people I know elsewhere. The general consensus on this forum seems to be not to fall into despair about the recent chapter. My thoughts? NH is canon. In fact, it couldn't get anymore canon for else Naruto and Hinata were to break out kissing in the middle of the war. I knew it would be canon the moment Neji died. It's the only reason he died. His death was a plot device used to spur on NH, and it's plain as daylight. Look how easily they got over Neji's death. Hinata didn't even seem to care much. The thing she was more interested in was how "big and strong" Naruto's hand was. Team Guy didn't even give a decent reaction. No one cares. A lot of NS fans are keeping hope that the pairing somehow comes through but that is really naive. You're just setting yourselves up to be disappointed all over again. Like we have been ever since Sakura confessed. We have not been given a single decent pro NS moment or a single pro Sakura moment. Kishimoto has even resorted to paralleling Hinata to Kushina! It's time people accepted that our ship was crushed. And in the most dispicable way too. Kishimoto has sidelined Sakura this entire war and given constant focus to Hinata's love for Naruto. It's like I'm reading a bad NaruHina fanfic where Sakura gets brushed off, Hinata gets glorified and takes over the role of the main female, gets paralleled to Kushina, becomes strong enough to encourage Naruto, Naruto saying she's always been by his side and they both fight together as a superpowered couple. It's a NaruHina fanfiction!

How do I feel? Hurt. Confused. Betrayed. I've spent most of my time as an NS shipper defending Sakura and the pairing while showing evidence that Hinata is not a great character, all to have it thrown in my face. Kishimoto has ensured Sakura will end up the most pathetic character in this manga. Now with NH canon, you can be sure Sakura will only be reduced to Uchiha baby maker for Sasuke. It's coming. There's no decent way for NS to happen now. None that will not make both Naruto and Kishimoto look like asses. We just have to swallow this hard pill. We are without a doubt, the pairing that deserved to be canon the most and yet Kishimoto has repeatedly spit in our face since Pain's arc.

The worse part about this chapter is that Sakura role has been taken over by Hinata. Sakura is in the background saying no more than 2 words every now and again. Like Tenten! We have to sit through 2 weeks of NH fans throwing it in our faces. Lovely. I don't know why people are looking forward to the next chapter. It won't bring any salvation you know. Hinata is gonna be fighting by Naruto against some of the strongest characters in this manga, with the first few pages in color of them holding hands. What can Sakura do now to redeem herself after Hinata's glorification? Nothing. Kishimoto doesn't care about her anymore. All that's left is to see how Kishi makes Sasuke fall for Sakura.

My fellow NS shippers, it was a rough ride and we were always on the optimistic side, hoping, wishing, but in the end Kishi never gave us a single break. Not with NS. Not with Sakura.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hi everyone. That's right I'm new. Though I have been aware of this site since around 2007 and I've been here a lot. Ironic that I've been the biggest NS shipper and yet I've decided to join the official site when the pairing dies. This is gonna be more of a rant. A rant that many of you will probably still disagree with. I apologize for any typos, I was too upset to check if I wrote coherently.


I've read through all the pages and I've noticed about 4 people I know elsewhere. The general consensus on this forum seems to be not to fall into despair about the recent chapter. My thoughts? NH is canon. In fact, it couldn't get anymore canon for else Naruto and Hinata were to break out kissing in the middle of the war. I knew it would be canon the moment Neji died. It's the only reason he died. His death was a plot device used to spur on NH, and it's plain as daylight. Look how easily they got over Neji's death. Hinata didn't even seem to care much. The thing she was more interested in was how "big and strong" Naruto's hand was. Team Guy didn't even give a decent reaction. No one cares. A lot of NS fans are keeping hope that the pairing somehow comes through but that is really naive. You're just setting yourselves up to be disappointed all over again. Like we have been ever since Sakura confessed. We have not been given a single decent pro NS moment or a single pro Sakura moment. Kishimoto has even resorted to paralleling Hinata to Kushina! It's time people accepted that our ship was crushed. And in the most dispicable way too. Kishimoto has sidelined Sakura this entire war and given constant focus to Hinata's love for Naruto. It's like I'm reading a bad NaruHina fanfic where Sakura gets brushed off, Hinata gets glorified and takes over the role of the main female, gets paralleled to Kushina, becomes strong enough to encourage Naruto, Naruto saying she's always been by his side and they both fight together as a superpowered couple. It's a NaruHina fanfiction!

How do I feel? Hurt. Confused. Betrayed. I've spent most of my time as an NS shipper defending Sakura and the pairing while showing evidence that Hinata is not a great character, all to have it thrown in my face. Kishimoto has ensured Sakura will end up the most pathetic character in this manga. Now with NH canon, you can be sure Sakura will only be reduced to Uchiha baby maker for Sasuke. It's coming. There's no decent way for NS to happen now. None that will not make both Naruto and Kishimoto look like asses. We just have to swallow this hard pill. We are without a doubt, the pairing that deserved to be canon the most and yet Kishimoto has repeatedly spit in our face since Pain's arc.

The worse part about this chapter is that Sakura role has been taken over by Hinata. Sakura is in the background saying no more than 2 words every now and again. Like Tenten! We have to sit through 2 weeks of NH fans throwing it in our faces. Lovely. I don't know why people are looking forward to the next chapter. It won't bring any salvation you know. Hinata is gonna be fighting by Naruto against some of the strongest characters in this manga, with the first few pages in color of them holding hands. What can Sakura do now to redeem herself after Hinata's glorification? Nothing. Kishimoto doesn't care about her anymore. All that's left is to see how Kishi makes Sasuke fall for Sakura.

My fellow NS shippers, it was a rough ride and we were always on the optimistic side, hoping, wishing, but in the end Kishi never gave us a single break. Not with NS. Not with Sakura.

You're right we are a bunch of fantards.

Another rant to print.
Keep it up if we got a NS moment i'll post all the prints i got

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 05:38 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I'm not sure how my statement was an assumption but your statement is factual.

You assumed based on Kishi's interviews and comments that Sakura would play a large role in this arc. So far: not true. I'm speculating as well, of course, when I say that Sakura might yet have a role, if not in this arc, then in the Sasuke fight. That's all.

Well, you said Sakura never wanted to be by Naruto's side.

I said that Sakura has never wished that she would be by his side alone, just her and Naruto. She has talked about supporting Naruto and being there for him along with everyone else. This is the key difference. Can you see how each girl's thoughts in ch 573 have sort of come reality? Hinata is beside Naruto, holding his hand, like she said she would be. Sakura said that she would be there with Naruto supporting him with everyone else in the allience, and now she is doing just that. They have different desires, the way I see it, that do not conflict with each other.

The fact that Sakura hasn't made a declaration that she wants Naruto to hold her hand is not a good argument for saying that she has absolutely no feelings for him. If anything, it shows she's not a fangirl.

The argument is that Sakura hasn't indicated that she has romantic desires towards Naruto. There are a few moments that could be taken as hints for NS but no clear evidence.

I can't find your "alternative reason for her to look upset" anywhere on this thread. You will have to elaborate.

I don't blame you. This is a one long thread. Anyway, here it is.

Sakura looking upset when seeing Hinata romantically with Naruto in the Pain arc and now in ch 615 I wrote earlier:

In both cases the surrounding situations aren't exactly ideal. They are under attack, someone is badly injured, someone is dead. Sakura has no reason to look happy. It could be that she's just feeling down due all the devastation and it has nothing to do with jealousy for NH. It is of course possible that Sakura is not happy because she wants to be with Naruto herself.

So before you conclude Sakura would be crying tears of joy at naruhina instead of tears of jealousy, consider the fact that nobody knows.

As you can see from the quote above, I have considered this from the start. I have not declared that NH is now canon and that NS is dead.

Edit. I'll add my comment on why I don't see definite evidence for NS:

I wrote earlier:

Nate River said:
I admit I am not convinced that Sakura is looking like that because Hinata is there and she is not. I thought it was about what she was saying, but this is fairly consistent with how he treats Sakura. You get pictures, but no dialogue or internal thoughts, so there is room for multiple (reasonable) interpretations.

This post of yours sums up my feelings about NS moments of the manga. "Room for multiple interpretions". Kishi does that a lot, doesn't he? Sakura looks sad/worried/unsure when she sees NH, but she is at the same time in a middle of a horrible situation. So why does she look like that, because of NH or not? We can't tell. Yamato says smt that sounds like romantic NS hint but can't finish his sentence. So we don't know what he was going to say nor do we see how Sakura would have reacted. Sakura hugs Naruto, but is it romantic or platonic? Not made clear, depends on our interpretion. All these moments can be interpreted as either hints for NS or misleading red herrings (reduntant?). This is the reason why I have doubted NS canon: Kishi has left himself "an out", so to speak, an easy way out.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 29 December 2012 - 05:44 PM.

[MoonStar]

Another rant to print.
Keep up if we got a NS moment i'll post all the prints i got

I'd gladly eat my own words if a no-cons all-pros NS moment were to happen, but it won't. And I'm 90% certain of that. I'm not gonna get my hopes up to be disappointed the 6th time since Nagato died.

Edited by MoonStar, 29 December 2012 - 05:41 PM.