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#10341 Luna

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:30 AM

If parallel gets confirmed, whenever it happens, would you say it's a closed deal?

Yes,, If naruto is shown( to NH) that he still loves Sakura. Nh has no chance.

 

Found this review on Sakura's confession.

 

"One of the big moments of the series involves Sakura though with this episode, as she follows up with what she started in the previous episode by confessing her feelings for Naruto. It's certainly a surprise to some extent, you don't really believe she'll go through with it, and it's an incredibly touching sequence. But like Naruto, you can sense that there's something else behind it that she's not saying. While there may be the honesty of emotions, the reasons behind her admittance by being an effort to get Naruto to stop going after Sasuke, is a confusing piece for Naruto. Sadly, the more she talks, the more she digs herself into a hole that will keep him at a distance. She has made the key realizations that Naruto is always there, always by her side, while Sasuke was truthful about everything when he left and in every encounter since then. But Naruto doesn't want to win her over this way in the slightest."

 

 


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:31 AM

^ Alright, thanks Hiraishin.

No problem.

 

If parallel gets confirmed, whenever it happens, would you say it's a closed deal?

it's been a closed deal since chapter three

Lol but yes, of course. Although people will find a way to deny it, naturally.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:40 AM

If parallel gets confirmed, whenever it happens, would you say it's a closed deal?

 

If the parallel does in fact get confirmed, then NaruSaku is the OBVIOUS endgame pairing. but for canonization, I believe that will be clearly on the way when Sakura finally shows on panel what her true feelings about Sasuke are. I want Sai to pull it out of her and make her tell what she really think. Something like "I've seen that smile once before and I know it too well, I'm also a member of team 7 and also your friend. I believe that you should tell me what you truly think about Sasuke".



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:45 AM

If the parallel does in fact get confirmed, then NaruSaku is the OBVIOUS endgame pairing. but for canonization, I believe that will be clearly on the way when Sakura finally shows on panel what her true feelings about Sasuke are. I want Sai to pull it out of her and make her tell what she really think. Something like "I've seen that smile once before and I know it too well, I'm also a member of team 7 and also your friend. I believe that you should tell me what you truly think about Sasuke".

It won't be canon, but the idea is too clear that I no longer care for the shipping war. I can only hope for the best on how NS becomes canon.

As for Sai, I do believe there will be more into Sakura's dilemma once the war ends, especially once it's done, Sasuke could go back on his own again. We'll see. But it seems like this arc is not about making Sasuke look good, rather making Naruto look best.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:53 AM

It won't be canon, but the idea is too clear that I no longer care for the shipping war. I can only hope for the best on how NS becomes canon.

As for Sai, I do believe there will be more into Sakura's dilemma once the war ends, especially once it's done, Sasuke could go back on his own again. We'll see. But it seems like this arc is not about making Sasuke look good, rather making Naruto look best.

 

At the end of it, the show is so Naruto-centric that it is about making Naruto look best most of the time. Especially in his rivalry with Sasuke in the end, I find it silly because it's such a common writing style that Kishi has used for the romance( Naruto loves the heroine but the girl loves Naruto's rival...) you can already guess what's going to happen at the end of the story just from that. 



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:53 AM

 

No thank you, i had enough debates to look at with this fandom these days.  :mellow:

 

I hear you, rikakim94.  I was debating with people who were saying "Sakura was useless as a main" on MangaFox.  It was not fun.

 

 

Well, guys, this is it. The epitome of TnJ is among us and now, Naruto knows the past of Obito, including Rin. The next chapter is where it all lies. Granted, it could happen later, but this one is the closest and so far, the best chance to parallel NaruSaku with ObiRin. Think about it, he didn’t bring up Rin in this chapter, BUT, he knows about his heart with her and the end of her, which caused Naruto to tear. This is big, people. So answer here…

 

Will it happen in the next chapter?

 

 

I see no reason for Kishimoto to delay it.  Though it depends on what's going to happen, are Naruto and Obito going to fight one on one in that space?  How long will it take if it does?  I can see Naruto stating the connection after the fight, or climax. At best, we get a anonymous mention.  "I also have a girl that I like", and we get an image of Sakura.

 

If parallel gets confirmed, whenever it happens, would you say it's a closed deal?

 

It's a close deal when Sakura states that she loves Naruto.

 

If you had this book "Kishimoto, Masashi (2007). Uzumaki: the Art of Naruto. " you can find out what he really said.

 

Yeah, I've seen it on Amazon.  I'll have to save for it though.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 03:34 AM

@megi: Yeah sorry, wrote it too fast, I did'nt see that I wrote た and not て. 

              EDIT: I corrected it. 

 

@NaruSakuforlife3g:  I don't know if the parallel will be confirmed, but there are a few hints that indicates it, like the fact that Naruto cried while seeing Rin's death, this panel would'nt be there and in a close up if it would'nt be adressed later, and also, it is kind of weird that in this chapter, Naruto talk about everything about the past Obito (Hokage dream, Minato, clan...) but not THE main reason why he became like this, THE reason why Naruto was brought to tears while seing Obito's memories. so that's one of the reason I think it will be adress in the future chapters. but I don't think the parallel will be emphasis on. i think it will be like the fight with Gaara in part 1, where Naruto reconizes himself in Obito. There will certainly only be a panel where he thinks of Sakura. 

And if the parallel is confirmed, to us it will be a close deal, but I know for sure that other people will find a way to deny it. I mean, we're a the end of the manga, if Naruto confirms that he still loves Sakura, then it's over. do you really think that in a so short amount of time, he could randomly fall in love withe Hinata? (sarcastic question...)


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:26 AM

Honestly, I don't think that the confirmation of the parallel will be a major game changer.  It'll just be confirmation of what's already pretty obvious.  What would be a game changer is Sakura's feelings, and that'll probably only come up during the Team 7 drama.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:33 AM

Honestly, I don't think that the confirmation of the parallel will be a major game changer.  It'll just be confirmation of what's already pretty obvious.  What would be a game changer is Sakura's feelings, and that'll probably only come up during the Team 7 drama.

Nicely said.

The thing is that people keeps denying about parallel and Naruto loving Sakura. This could destroy the doubters. Lastly, if Sakura does something with Naruto in the end of war, then you got 100% clear that it's made to happen.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:15 AM

I'm just so over caring about the opposition.  I'm not saying that they're arguments have absolutely no merit, it's just that I don't care about the debate anymore.  It's exhausting, and I don't appreciate the personal attacks I've seen.  I've been lucky enough to not have to deal with personal hate, but I've seen what others have to deal with (and, I've seen some nasty statements from NS as well) and it's ridiculous.  A manga, a fictional couple in a manga is not worth that sort of cruel behavior.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:31 AM

That is so true.

I'll tell you thing about this arc. At the very least, it will end NH for sure. SS is in progress. I guess that's where next arc fills in.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:52 AM

Facepalm!

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:53 AM

If parallel gets confirmed, whenever it happens, would you say it's a closed deal?

are you implying that it's not already a closed deal?


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:04 AM

are you implying that it's not already a closed deal?

Lol no no. You can take it as "furthering the closing," if that even make sense. I would say for those who is still on fence about pairings. This can really seal it for many more.

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:26 AM

 

Honestly, I don't think that the confirmation of the parallel will be a major game changer.  It'll just be confirmation of what's already pretty obvious.  What would be a game changer is Sakura's feelings, and that'll probably only come up during the Team 7 drama.

 

Couldn't agree more, it's a shame what this shipping war has become. We have reached a point where even the most simplistic and unmistakable aspects of the manga are subject to incessant argumentation in an attempt to prove, or disprove, something that should've been acknowledged simply by interpreting the obvious.

 

Really, it is embarrassing to have to argue about a subject evidenced so many times throughout the manga, which is Naruto love for Sakura. Everytime someone says "Naruto never said he loves Sakura" (therefore he doesn't love her), someone in the World is killed by lightning. That's why even after this likely, though unnecessary confirmation by the Obi/Rin parallel, hardly anything will change in the fandom. It's pretty much guaranteed that the shipping war will last until the very end of the series.


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 09:29 AM

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more, it's a shame what this shipping war has become. We have reached a point where even the most simplistic and unmistakable aspects of the manga are subject to incessant argumentation in an attempt to prove, or disprove, something that should've been acknowledged simply by interpreting the obvious.

 

Really, it is embarrassing to have to argue about a subject evidenced so many times throughout the manga, which is Naruto love for Sakura. Everytime someone says "Naruto never said he loves Sakura" (therefore he doesn't love her), someone in the World is killed by lightning. That's why even after this likely, though unnecessary confirmation by the Obi/Rin parallel, hardly anything will change in the fandom. It's pretty much guaranteed that the shipping war will last until the very end of the series.

 

 

I'm sure that the shipping war will last to some extent till after the series.  Just today in the anti-NH FC at Naruto Forums an NH fan came in and asked if any of us thought that NH had a legit chance, that they were worried because "Kishi is known to go against his fans," and posted later hating upon my girl Sakura (don't worry, I didn't say anything).  To some, if (when?) NS is canonized it'll just be evidence of bad writing.  The thing is I think there is a lot of bad writing in the manga, especially the war, I don't disagree with that, I stopped reading for two years.  But Kishi has always been consistent with Naruto's feelings, he has always been consistent with the dynamics of Team 7.

 

And frankly, I don't even mind the continuous debates.  I'm fine with the attempts to prove to me that the parallels don't matter, explain to me with evidence why one thinks that while NS fit the parallels Hinata is the game changer.  That's fine, there is always merit to discussions.  But it gets to me when within the same discussion, the same individual claims that the parallels are irrelevant ("parallolz"), while also manufacturing an irrelevant parallel, or while predicting that Hinata will fit a parallel (ObiRin).  The NH-KM manufactured parallel is irrelevant, it's based on the presumption that Minato was quiet and perhaps a bit nervous.  We've seen recently that he was silly and a bit nerdy --much like Kushina, Naruto, and Sakura (and I think the nerdishness rubbed off a bit onto Kakashi, LOL).  Ugh!  Yesterday Chatte got a message on tumblr, that was three or four lines long in which the asker ridiculed the "parallolz" while also explaining that Hinata would be paralleled to Rin.  It's like, why?  Why don't you explain to me why Hinata would fit that parallel?  Tell me how the manga indicates that, show me how much Hinata's near death affected Naruto (it did affect him) OR tell me that the parallels are irrelevant.  Why do both?  I just don't understand.

 

And obviously none of the above compares to the sort of personal attacks made by individuals on all the sides (yes on the pro-NS side as well).  That embarrasses me more than anything, and it hurts to read those things.  Whether you disagree with someone or not, those are real human beings on the other side of the Internet, people who might have troubling lives, who might be using this debate as a distraction.  When I see these attacks online, to individuals unknown to us personally, I'm reminded of the 13 year old who committed suicide after she was told to do so by the mother of a peer who created a dummy account on facebook.  Of course that mother knew who she was talking to, but still how many of us know who we're talking to, what their ages are, what's going on their life.  And all this for fictional couples/characters?  Sigh.

 

Oh, sorry that was long and ranty!



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 10:58 AM

In terms for anything ending, a sakura rin parallel establishment is possible next chapter. Since naruto is going to give obito a talk no jutsu, it's within the realm of possiblity of naruto mentioning his relation to sakura as like obitos towards rin and how he could would explain that if something happened to sakura he would be devastated, possibly even saying how she wouldn't have wanted him to follow a dark path. It's mostly going to a be we are alike speech and there's always a way back from the darkness, even naruto forgiving obito from what he did to his parents.

It's just very very possible that something ns obirin comes next chapter if the memories naruto saw come into play I mean we know how important rin is to obitos character, sakura has been the same with naruto mainly over the promise but going between team 7 and minato, it's a similar setup both ways, even Sasuke factors into this in other ways too. I would not be suprised if naruto learns it was obito who managed to make Kakashi better.

It's not granted to happen, but if naruto confirms he still loves sakura this next chapter, that's game cause if his feelings are still there, what else should happen? I mean it's it like we would get a suprise like 631 all to soon while the battle goes on I mean 631s event was predictable considering 630 ended with minato in front of naruto and sakura, that was very possible they would talk and some like me said that something could happen to make minato think of Kushina and well, look what happened the morning 631 came out, it was a meltdown to those against ns to the point forums had to be locked down due to the outrage some people voiced at that small moment and to another degree ns fans that were guilty of doing the same actions nh fans did in 615. Well I'm still upset that forums let nh boasting get out of hand but only acted on the ns stuff. Seriously if 652 has a naruto saying he loves sakura event, that's it, game over. People cannot say he's referring to the past before 469 or he's getting obito to let his guard down, no. If naruto says he loves sakura, he loves sakura.

It's that simple, it would just be more of a flow from kushinas foreshadow to 631 to the future. If we have a naruto saying he loves sakura moment, what else is there to go on? Naruto stating he still loves her combined with Sakura's changing outlook on Sasuke, what is the purpose of it all if not to go towards something in the end?

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 11:37 AM

well it seems that Kishi is finally going to confirm the NaruSaku ObiRin parallel . *sits back with foot on table and leans back in chair and takes a happy sigh* it should be definite smooth sailing from here . 


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:21 PM

well it seems that Kishi is finally going to confirm the NaruSaku ObiRin parallel . *sits back with foot on table and leans back in chair and takes a happy sigh* it should be definite smooth sailing from here . 

oh hey superman, did you ever manage to upload that video proof of your drawings? It's been quite a while now....


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:32 PM

 

I don't think Sasuke is asexual, but I do think that one's reaction to the word/label is subjective.  I have close friends who are proudly and openly asexual, and who are offended/feel disrespected when others assume that "asexuality" (as an orientation) is unreal.  So, I guess it depends?  *shrugs*

 

But, obviously I feel that your opinion/reaction is extremely valid!  I've never come across that before, and now I'll always keep this in mind (on here and elsewhere) if/when using the term.

 

It's actually kind of funny that you mention having friends who consider themselves asexual, me and my sister (who's three years younger than me) have never desired to pursue romantic relationships even though girls around us that are around our ages are already having babies and getting married (very often in that order). And people tend to treat us like we're 'not normal' or 'just going through a phase'. :facepalm: I think it's quite interesting to hear there are other people who do feel the same way, and that we aren't the only ones. And yeah, one's reaction it the label is definitely highly subjective, I don't like it, but my sister probably wouldn't care.

 

If parallel gets confirmed, whenever it happens, would you say it's a closed deal?

 

Yes. One parallel could be brushed off as coincidence, but if Obito/Rin is confirmed after the Minato/Kushina and the still heavily implied Jiraiya/Tsunade parallel, there's just no way around it, no matter how antis might try to explain it away. Even if there are more 'pairing moments' for NH or SS, I don't think to could ever be enough to undo such blatant foreshadowing.






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