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#10181 narusaku4ver

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:15 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Feb 12 2013, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So fact is we have no reliable source there. Noone knows if it was all true. If its true then we can prepare for sakura to die or getting sidelined till the end of the manga. If sakura dies, we have no real NS since i believe that the majority of the fans want a real pairing not a dead one. Not to forget that for a afterlife NS we need naruto to die. Im sure 90% of all naruto fans dont want him to die so i guess its not gonna happen.

But well im not buying that kishi really intended to kill sakura. If he did then its a kick in da ballz.

I think it's pointless to continue to debate this but saying something based off that the fandom does not want is out of place.
First no one wanted Neji to die and he died, Itachi had a lot of fans and he died, Jiraiya was by far the best charismatic character and the best to make comic relief scenes and he was killed, the only scenes were we had comic relief was with Naruto and Sakura,and Naruto/Kushina this man really loves tsunders.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:16 PM

I find myself disagreeing with PhenixElite many times, not that I believe that his post are not accurate because most of them are, my disagreement with him is that he doesn't see Naruto ever loving another girl, that's something I want to believe but I know that even when it might look like a total ass pull, anything can happen.

But with this topic I completely agree with him, there is no sense in having a happy ending when everyone is dead, plus I'm 100% positive that Kishi will not kill Naruto his main character, about Sakura and NS well I believe that NS is 90% on stone if Sakura does not die, but I always had this nagging feelings since Chiyo's word about Sakura dying for someone she really cares about, this is almost seem like Kishi foreshadowing her future death.
Add that to the fact that Kishi refuse to write anything about her, Hinata gating closer to Naruto, Sakura and Naruto acting has if they don't know each other anymore, the exclusion of Sakura's VA for the last interview, Sakura not gating panel wondering how is Naruto doing, both of them not having that awareness that they aren't close anymore especially in a war were people die, Naruto giving chakra to all the Rookies but we don't see Sakura and lastly 2 chapter showing every single Rookies but obviously no Sakura.

I don't know guy those rumor might just rumors, but I always have these feelings about her dying, last year I even made a thread about that scenario and now I have a 60% feelings that Sakura will die and stay dead, plus the renigan stuff will be used on Madara not to revive the death fodder/characters.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:19 PM

If that's true, then I don't know what to think anymore. Not going to lie that this brought down my morale...

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:21 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Feb 12 2013, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I find myself disagreeing with PhenixElite many times, not that I believe that his post are not accurate because most of them are, my disagreement with him is that he doesn't see Naruto ever loving another girl, that's something I want to believe but I know that even when it might look like a total ass pull, anything can happen.

But with this topic I completely agree with him, there is no sense in having a happy ending when everyone is dead, plus I'm 100% positive that Kishi will not kill Naruto his main character, about Sakura and NS well I believe that NS is 90% on stone if Sakura does not die, but I always had this nagging feelings since Chiyo's word about Sakura dying for someone she really cares about, this is almost seem like Kishi foreshadowing her future death.
Add that to the fact that Kishi refuse to write anything about her, Hinata gating closer to Naruto, Sakura and Naruto acting has if they don't know each other anymore, the exclusion of Sakura's VA for the last interview, Sakura not gating panel wondering how is Naruto doing, both of them not having that awareness that they aren't close anymore especially in a war were people die, Naruto giving chakra to all the Rookies but we don't see Sakura and lastly 2 chapter showing every single Rookies but obviously no Sakura.

I don't know guy those rumor might just rumors, but I always have these feelings about her dying, last year I even made a thread about that scenario and now I have a 60% feelings that Sakura will die and stay dead, plus the renigan stuff will be used on Madara not to revive the death fodder/characters.

Hinata's VA wasnt there on the interview, about Sakura happy ending depends on the perspective of the reader is totally a subject interpretation as i said can say "for me it's not the happy ending" but for others could be also, Naruto dies but death on Naruto has not the same meaning of death on real life, how many times death changed a character or a character got what he wanted on death, for me i wanted to Naruto end with Sakura and havea family but also i cannot deny that if he dies along with Sakura, and Naruto ending up with her on afterlife along with Minato and Kushina i cant deny that he would get what he wanted.

Naruto loving another woman i would believe that if Sakura give a lot of reasons for Naruto to move on,does not ever make sense he loving another girl when he's "winning Sakura over" just look at the scenario Sakura's love for Sasuke weakening all the time while for she showing more care and concern for Naruto then suddenly he loves someome else.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 12 February 2013 - 01:22 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE (narusaku4ver @ Feb 12 2013, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hinata's VA wasnt there on the interview, about Sakura happy ending depends on the perspective of the reader is totally a subject interpretation as i said can say "for me it's not the happy ending" but for others could be also, Naruto dies but death on Naruto has not the same meaning of death on real life, how many times death changed a character or a character got what he wanted on death, for me i wanted to Naruto end with Sakura and havea family but also i cannot deny that if he dies along with Sakura, and Naruto ending up with her on afterlife along with Minato and Kushina i cant deny that he would get what he wanted.

Naruto loving another woman i would believe that if Sakura give a lot of reasons for Naruto to move on,does not ever make sense he loving another girl when he's "winning Sakura over" just look at the scenario Sakura's love for Sasuke weakening all the time while for she showing more care and concern for Naruto then suddenly he loves someome else.

So i do wonder then why people got that upset after nejis death if he will be happy in the afterlife. XD
Dont want to know what happens if naruto dies then.

@Don-kun: Not sayin that i think that kishi really wants to kill sakura or wanted to, but if what we heared is all true, it would pretty well fit with how the story goes from after the summit arc.

@chatte: no need to get upset yet its first of all only speculation and its not even stated that kishi ever intended to kill sakura.
Till now everythibg stays at always NS is still the most likely pairing and we soon get a movie full of NS. So no problem here.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:29 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Feb 12 2013, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So i do wonder then why people got that upset after nejis death if he will be happy in the afterlife. XD
Dont want to know what happens if naruto dies then.

@Don-kun: Not sayin that i think that kishi really wants to kill sakura or wanted to, but if what we heared is all true, it would pretty well fit with how the story goes from after the summit arc.

Because it wanst what they desired for his character and how he died.
(i too got upset not because the way he died and Naruto's reaction, 614 ended with a expression for Naruto that he endured it and he was going to reply then he suddenly on 615 he was wavering)

NS happen then the NH fans got upset despite Naruto having an happy ending.

Well going back about the page i think it's fake unless she post further proof.
(because she post a picture on day 15 saying that it's her first day of work when this picture was posted on day 5 with the same quote on a blog).

Edited by narusaku4ver, 12 February 2013 - 01:33 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:34 PM

It's just that there would have been many inconsistent to Kishi's writing as a overall. You can asspull power up, but asspull story so far is incredibly damaging to everything. Honestly, we shouldn't even take it as anything but a gossip talk. Best to wait for Kishi himself because again, he never has the sense of hating her or even considering killing her. You can say "Oh but he said he slipped his mind off of Sakura," but oh, he sure didn't in covers then. Kishi knows his ending already since the beginning, so why change at one point. Also, his main problem is to get that ending. That could be his way of missing the opportunity for Sakura to get a moment or two. Honestly, the whole war arc in the beginning and middle were nothing but giving fans what they wanted.

Well I'm about ready to change topic as many seem to be taking this harder than I imagine. A little sad, but hey, what can you do?

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:41 PM

For me that account is a fake... No way a crew member of anime went on a japanese forum to say that Sakura is gonna killed by Sasuke and then he went to Kishimoto to please him don't kill Sakura because fans will be disappointed in case of her death....

Shueisha is really austere with previewes.... I'm only the one that finds all this illogical and out of reality....? In all these years, I find a lot of fake accounts on facebook/twitter, I wouldn't be surprised if that chie nakamura on FB could be a fake... Indeed, I'm almost certain that it's a fake. It's easy take some photos from an official account and put them in your fake account in order to be really him at the eyes of fans.

I can't really immagine a such situation:

Crew member arrives on a japanese forum, maybe 2ch for example and writes : Ehi guys, let's say you something about Naruto: SAKURA-CHAN'S GONNA DIE!! SASUKE WILL KILL HER! What do you think about?
Member1: NOOOOOOOOO! SAGURAA-CIAAAN DOESN'T HAVE TO DIEEEEEEEEE!!!
Member2: PLEAAAAASE! DON'T KILL HEEEER!!
Member3: NOOOOOOOO! NARUTO WON'T BE THE SAME THAT WE USED TO KNOW ANYMORE!! SAKURA MUST BE ALIVE!!!!
Member4: KISHIMOTO-SAAAAN!! PLEASE, DON'T KILL HER!! OTHERWISE I'LL STOP TO READ YOUR kittenIN' MANGA!!!11111!!!!1
Crew member: Ok, I got your feedback. I'll refer it to Kishimoto-san personally smile.gif

Inside Kishimoto's House:
Crew member: Kishimoto-sensei, yesterday I went on a japanese forum and I've said something big...
Kishimoto: WHATTT!? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!!?
Crew member: Just said only that you've intention of killing Sakura from Sasuke...
Kishimoto: Ah... and...?
Crew member: They were all pissed off... better that you led her alive.
Kishimoto: Ok

It sounds all illogical to me :/

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:46 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 12 2013, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's just that there would have been many inconsistent to Kishi's writing as a overall. You can asspull power up, but asspull story so far is incredibly damaging to everything. Honestly, we shouldn't even take it as anything but a gossip talk. Best to wait for Kishi himself because again, he never has the sense of hating her or even considering killing her. You can say "Oh but he said he slipped his mind off of Sakura," but oh, he sure didn't in covers then. Kishi knows his ending already since the beginning, so why change at one point. Also, his main problem is to get that ending. That could be his way of missing the opportunity for Sakura to get a moment or two. Honestly, the whole war arc in the beginning and middle were nothing but giving fans what they wanted.

Well I'm about ready to change topic as many seem to be taking this harder than I imagine. A little sad, but hey, what can you do?

Completly agree there, until theres no proof its just some talking of a third partie. Sakura is a characters who is deeply included in the whole love square of the manga, thats a reason why i cant imagine that kishi wanted to kill her. If he really wanted to do so i will never understand why he made sakuras characters how its is.

To make it simple: It would ruin the whole manga if sakura dies. Same for naruto. The whole concept that has been shown would be destroyed.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:47 PM

True.

Anyway, I think we should move on to something else before anyone thinks it's real, rather than a gossip rumor. It's not like Kishi was creating a Death Note manga. It's not supposed to be that complicated. There are speculations but nothing to prevent the predictable route. It's all about how it goes down to that path.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

I find suspicious that he made the scene where Obito's watching Rin giving a tender gaze on Kakashi... It's really the same situation when Naruto watched Sakura embracing Sasuke in the Hospital after he went revived by Tsunade...

Both situations give us the same feeling: Both Naruto and Obito felt sadness and concern. No way that their situation have no connection... It's pretty obvious that Kishimoto based that scene about Obito&Rin on the hospital's scene.

If Obito is a result of a failure, the same will be for Naruto?

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:59 PM

I remember how Chiyo praised Sakura for her chivalrous heart. Yet Sakura's grand finale would be not opposing Sasuke while he kills her?

Sakura would be the opposite of chivalrous if that happened. She would leave her friends in grieve, not to mention her parents. It reminds me of how she said during her confession to Sasuke that if he left she would be just as alone despite having family and friends. Kishi would essentially be regressing her character development if he really planned that.

She would hurt her family, friends, and further cause Naruto to endanger himself. And the reason she decided to let herself be killed is what exactly? She loves Sasuke so much that she can't bear to live any longer since he's evil? Screw all the people that care about her, it's all about her achieving personal relieve by dying, at the expense of everybody else's pain. Sorry but this rumor is complete BS.

Chie seems like a nice enough woman, but it seems that what she talks about is nothing more then gossip that she believes in without actually confirming it.

One last thing, if Kishi really didn't care about Sakura anymore then why on earth does he have a keychain of her in this desk. He must be fond of her to some degree. Then there's the recent cover page that has Naruto and Sakura standing side by side ready to do battle as the hero and heroine, all while Sasuke is in the background as a scroll. If Sakura really wasn't relevant to the story overall then Kishi is really a kitten for still pretending that she is such. He should've done the cover page with just Naruto and Sasuke then.

Then there's Road to Ninja, that's a whole other can of bean.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:08 PM

QUOTE (narusaku4ver @ Feb 12 2013, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hinata's VA wasnt there on the interview, about Sakura happy ending depends on the perspective of the reader is totally a subject interpretation as i said can say "for me it's not the happy ending" but for others could be also, Naruto dies but death on Naruto has not the same meaning of death on real life, how many times death changed a character or a character got what he wanted on death, for me i wanted to Naruto end with Sakura and havea family but also i cannot deny that if he dies along with Sakura, and Naruto ending up with her on afterlife along with Minato and Kushina i cant deny that he would get what he wanted.

Naruto loving another woman i would believe that if Sakura give a lot of reasons for Naruto to move on,does not ever make sense he loving another girl when he's "winning Sakura over" just look at the scenario Sakura's love for Sasuke weakening all the time while for she showing more care and concern for Naruto then suddenly he loves someome else.


Trust me Sakura only see two options right know, death or a major role.
This is clearly something people has being wondering for a long time since Sakura suppose to be the main female lead and if Kishi receiving so much complains about her why isn't he doing something about it, why does he keep giving the readers more reasons to hate her or call her useless when he can shut all of them up for good with only 7 pages of Sakura.
I want to believe that there is a lot of good things schedule for her near future, but at the same time I cannot ignore that it has being 4 years since he promise to give her focus and so far the only thing he did after that interview was make things worst for her character.
Hinata thinking about Naruto all the times is annoying because that's all what she do since the day she was introduced to this manga, she seems to have a tunnel vision that only allows her to see Naruto and no on else, the problem with this but surely not to her extent or behavior that's what the heroine of the story normally does, Sakura should be thinking about Naruto and wondering how is he fairing of with the enemies, the future of the world and making sure that she is the main anchor in why Naruto was able to become Hokage while helping him overcome is low point, there is a say that states the fallowing, behind every strong man there is a strong woman, implying that most men or women are successful because of that person who support him the most, sometimes it could also be your father or mother, but with Kishi it seems that Sakura is just a character who he created to have feelings for Sasuke and create a rivalry between Sasuke and Naruto and now that she served that role he has no use for her.

MY thinking is really negative for a Sakura fan, but that is the impression Kishi gives his readers, it's almost like he has something personal with Sakura or he just don't like girls.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:18 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Feb 12 2013, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Obito is a result of a failure, the same will be for Naruto?

Lets see what we got when sakura dies.
-jiraya wasnt able to get with the girl he loves and believes naruto will make evrything better. Naruto wont get with sakura since shes dead.
-minato and kushina didnt get the chance to live as a family, kushina tells naruto to find someone like her. Naruto wont get the chance to have family with the one he loves whos like his mother since sakura is dead.
-Obito lost the girl he loves and wasnt able to save her. Naruto also wont get the girl he loves and wasnt able to save her since sakura is dead.

So all in all the possibilitie of sakura dying is really far fetched.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:19 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Feb 12 2013, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lets see what we got when sakura dies.
-jiraya wasnt able to get with the girl he loves and believes naruto will make evrything better. Naruto wont get with sakura since shes dead.
-minato and kushina didnt get the chance to live as a family, kushina tells naruto to find someone like her. Naruto wont get the chance to have family with the one he loves whos like his mother since sakura is dead.
-Obito lost the girl he loves and wasnt able to save her. Naruto also wont get the girl he loves and wasnt able to save her since sakura is dead.

So all in all the possibilitie of sakura dying is really far fetched.


Well neither of those had a Hinata! kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Feb 12 2013, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well neither of those had a Hinata! kruemelmonsteryn0.gif


right! Naruto's a successful man because he has Hinata on his side... Jiraiya, Obito and Nagato didn't.

Make sense. Thanks for the lesson, Kishimoto kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:29 PM

So instead of showing how love blooms out of selfless actions (Sakura), we have to pray for the small chance to find someone that already loves us (Hinata).

Sounds legit. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:36 PM

Really now, sometimes I am so stuffed with Hinata... I am afraid I am starting to grow hating her because of sooo many things. And I am usually 'hard' to convince when it comes to stuff like this. It's not like someone is convincing me to, but the whole thing around Hinata it's just...gaah!

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Feb 12 2013, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So instead of showing how love blooms out of selfless actions (Sakura), we have to pray for the small chance to find someone that already loves us (Hinata).

Sounds legit. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Bar the fact the fact you know nothing about her, but she knows a lot more about you... This is clearly true love right here people. How could we be so blind XD

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:05 PM

QUOTE (MangaReader @ Feb 12 2013, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bar the fact the fact you know nothing about her, but she knows a lot more about you... This is clearly true love right here people. How could we be so blind XD

We're so but so clueless, right?

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