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[Insurrection]

The only thing he didn't do was listen to his academy teachers XDDD

But really, when Kushina warned him of 'weird' girls, it wasn't a reference to Hinata...it was a reference to prostitutes most likely, since she was talking about the 3 shinobi vices and warning him against Jiraiya. However, a girl like his mom could only be Sakura.

Naruto is a good boy

You know thinking about it, considering the first person to reach out to Naruto was his teacher that could be something other then that yeah he didn't listen. XD

Yes very good.

Edited by Insurrection, 31 July 2010 - 05:40 PM.

[Dreamer]

You know thinking about it, considering the first person to reach out to Naruto was his teacher that could be something other then that yeah he didn't listen. XD

Yes very good.

Seconded, Naruto had that old mind set that no one really cared about him until Iruka jumped in front of Naruto to protect him from the shuriken.

[ciardha]

But really, when Kushina warned him of 'weird' girls, it wasn't a reference to Hinata...it was a reference to prostitutes most likely,

Nope, Kushina is straightforward, she is so about gambling, drinking, and bewaring of Jiraiya's influence (that's the reference to perverted things), no when she makes the comment about weird, she uses the singular form, she meant as a girlfriend, don't go for a weird girl find one like me. Sorry, Soupy but Kishimoto is reminding readers of Naruto's description of Hinata- a "weird girl" on purpose.

[catsi563]

Nope, Kushina is straightforward, she is so about gambling, drinking, and bewaring of Jiraiya's influence (that's the reference to perverted things), no when she makes the comment about weird, she uses the singular form, she meant as a girlfriend, don't go for a weird girl find one like me. Sorry, Soupy but Kishimoto is reminding readers of Naruto's description of Hinata- a "weird girl" on purpose.

I agree, the references prior were pretty specific. as was the reference to a weird girl. Add in narutos personal description of Hinata which hes never contradicted even after saying he liked people like her.

the reference was pretty abundantly clear.

[Dreamer]

It's weird though, you figured Kishi would of followed up on that clue with Naruto saying it again in part 2. I wish he would've did it again.

[Kenny-kun]

Excellent post I found on onemanga.com: http://forum.onemang...mp;postcount=27

I have something I'd like to ask of the NaruSaku fans on here who have been using the Sakura/Kushina parallels as well as bring up the Yamato talk and Sai flashback moments from the manga.

Why do you need parallels and third part support to validate your beliefs in NaruSaku being the cannon pairing in the end? Do you have so little faith in the pairing that it can't stand on it's own two legs; that NaruSaku needs all this outside intervention to make them valid.

The following is my personal view on what I feel you guys may be communicating when you bring up the parallels and third party elements, even if only on a subconcious level. Seeing as I am neither any of you or a NaruSaku supporter, I can't be absolutely sure, but this is how I feel when I read your post.

In reguards to the Yamato talk; I feel what you guys are implying that Sakura isn't capable of realizing her own feelings about Naruto on her own. She needs the words of a third party in the form of Yamato to tell her what she's feeling, even though he has only known her for about 48 hours or so. And seeing as he never finished what he was going to say, the assumtion that he was going to say "you love him" as an absolute is just plain foolishness. Is Sakura really so out of touch with her own thoughts and feelings that she needs an outsider she barely knows to tell her the truth about herself?

Next is the Sai talk. Again, from the way you guys go on about it feels like your implying Sakura needs a third party to tell what should have been obvious for a long time now; that being Naruto's feelings for her. Given how she was acting when Sai told her, it really seems like (to me at least) Sakura had never really realized that Naruto cared about her in that way. Even after all his date request and the stuff he would go through for her, she still seemingly needed a third party to tell her what she should have known for all along.

And for the love of God, please stop comparing Sakura with Kushina. Those two are honestly not that much alike. Their are only two characters in the series like Kushina and those two are Kushina herself and Naruto.

Again, do you NaruSaku fans who use Yamato, Sai, and Kushina based parallels have so little faith in the pairing's ability to stand on it's own two feet; you need those third parties and parallels to validate your beliefs? If you really do, then you really have no faith in NaruSaku at all. Find and use things that only involves the two of them alone with no outside elements at all.

Truth be told, that is one of the strengths of NaruHina. We don't need to uses outside forces to validate NaruHina because NaruHina has enough backing behind it to support itself. And though it is true there are NaruHina fans who use third parties and parallels too, the most faithful of the NaruHina fans will only use those to counter things said by NaruSaku fans.

And it's because NaruHina can and does stand on its own two feet that makes it the best and most likely pairing to happen by the end.

Yeah, I think I'm pretty much done arguing there for a while . . .

[Dreamer]

Lol, what a noob! The goddess worship is suppose to somehow outweigh cannon facts. Sorry if that sounded bashing.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 01 August 2010 - 02:53 PM.

[dfammer]

Excellent post I found on onemanga.com: http://forum.onemang...mp;postcount=27




Yeah, I think I'm pretty much done arguing there for a while . . .

Wow, the 'self-deception" in that dribble is epic!

Edited by dfammer, 01 August 2010 - 03:30 PM.

[ciardha]

Amusing, yeah ignores the fact that Kishimoto makes repeated parallels in any important part of the story. Heck, in this flashback arc we find out even Kurenai had a bit of a feisty side as a teen, and also find out Hiruzen had a strong willed wife as well. And again, what do Shikaku and Jiraiya say about strong willed women being good for men...

Really sad argument- it really does make it clear that the whole of the naruhina ship comes straight from the anime fillers.

[Insurrection]

For NH to stand on its own two feet it requires that it has feet. Oh and CYCLE!!!!!

Edited by Insurrection, 01 August 2010 - 05:45 PM.

[Quinny52]

^ And here we go again

That said, I wouldn't use parallels too much in a debate. I see them on a similar level as 'Easter eggs' which show up in games. They're fun to spot and occasionaly drop hints of the Author's perspective, but I believe NS is strong enough to debate for without bringing them up.

Edited by Quinny52, 01 August 2010 - 06:00 PM.

[Dreamer]

For NH to stand on its own two feet it requires that it has feet. Oh and CYCLE!!!!!

^ And here we go again

That said, I wouldn't use parallels too much in a debate. I see them on a similar level as 'Easter eggs' which show up in games. They're fun to spot and occasionaly drop hints of the Author's perspective, but I believe NS is strong enough to debate for without bringing them up.

But you have to bring facts to the table when debating, we can't allow ourselves to fall down to just fandom worship.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 01 August 2010 - 06:08 PM.

[Insurrection]

But you have to bring facts to the table when debating, we can't allow ourselves to fall down to just fandom worship.

Stories give hints to the direction of where certain things go, besides there's logive involved, Uzu's right you can't just have faith and nothing else. The thing the anime keeps people from knowing is the main characters are 3 dimensional

Edited by Insurrection, 01 August 2010 - 06:10 PM.

[Dreamer]

Stories give hints to the direction of where certain things go, besides there's logive involved, Uzu's right you can't just have faith and nothing else.

Well i wasn't thinking like that. It's just better to show facts if they are available, which we clearly do have.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 01 August 2010 - 06:18 PM.

[ciardha]

^ And here we go again

That said, I wouldn't use parallels too much in a debate. I see them on a similar level as 'Easter eggs' which show up in games. They're fun to spot and occasionaly drop hints of the Author's perspective, but I believe NS is strong enough to debate for without bringing them up.

In stories by other writers yes, and certainly manga canon only supports narusaku (a weaker argument can be made for SasukexNaruto but Naruto doesn't feel that way about Sasuke. For Sasuke I think it is a bond that has romantic overtones but for Naruto it's purely a brotherly bond) But the repeated paralleling of any important plotline is a key element of Kishimoto's story.

[Insurrection]

Well i wasn't thinking like that. It's better to show facts if they are available, which we clearly do have.

I thought you were saying facts are really good thing to have and are a necessity in a debate.

[Quinny52]

It'll never get to that level for NS, of that I'm certain. Something like that happens when there's little to go on in the first place, and so the fandom overexagerates those moments in attempt to make them more significant in the grand scale of things and twist the facts brought up against them. NH is renowed for that.

But fortunately, I can't imagine that ever happening to NS, the foundations are too strong, even without the parallels, but I can definately see your points, using parallels leaves antis dumbfounded because they are possibly lacking in them, and so will downplay the significance of them.

Edited by Quinny52, 01 August 2010 - 06:26 PM.

[Dreamer]

I thought you were saying facts are really good thing to have and are a necessity in a debate.

I do enjoy having facts if there available but you see i do believe in religion, sorry i didn't mean to make you mad.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 01 August 2010 - 06:30 PM.

[Quinny52]

So, anyone got any ideas of what might be coming up next, or is it still kind of early for predictions?

[alexander]

So, anyone got any ideas of what might be coming up next, or is it still kind of early for predictions?

A little early I should say, since Naruto is in exile and will probaly learn of the war after it's start, and then, he will finaly meet with Sakura again in the middle of the battlefield.