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[Catwho]

Was there a chapter this week?

Also, at Anime Central and SQUEEEE at all the FT cosplayers. Turns out one of my con buddies is also a big FT fan, and she was cosplaying Erza in her Grand Magic Games outfit. Came out superb. While she was doing last minute sewing, we cooked up a particularly delicious fanfic we'll be doing as a collaboration...

[harry4e]

It's Golden week so no Manga releases this week, though next update should early by a few days like how Naruto Bleach came out Saturday instead of the usually Wednesday release, so maybe Tuesday we'll see the next FT release and then a back to normal the follwoing week.

[Codus N]

I just had an amusing thought. What if the Sakura Tree incident gets spread around Fiore?? if people find out the details, I'd be more than willing to bet Natsu will have his status skyrocket to "Most Desirable Bachelor Mage" in the Weekly Sorcerer Magazine, beating out Hibiki for the title

[Cloud]

I just had an amusing thought. What if the Sakura Tree incident gets spread around Fiore?? if people find out the details, I'd be more than willing to bet Natsu will have his status skyrocket to "Most Desirable Bachelor Mage" in the Weekly Sorcerer Magazine, beating out Hibiki for the title

I say that'd get the juicy gossip rolling around town.

[Dreamer]

[harry4e]

Chapter 281 There are some truelly dispicable guilds that have risen to power since Fairy Tail's elite all disappeared.

So who'se birthday is it? Edit: Nevermind, Happy Belated Birthday Hiro-Sensie.

Edited by harry4e, 04 May 2012 - 03:17 AM.

[Cloud]

At least one of Sabretooth's members know what friendship is... wonder if those two will join FT later on?

And dude, the guildmaster... is that Akuma from Street Fighter?

[Darth Krypt]

Yes apparently Akuma decided to form a magic guild.

[Super Boom]

And dude, the guildmaster... is that Akuma from Street Fighter?

Yes apparently Akuma decided to form a magic guild.

Akuma? No...it's Super Akuma!!!

LOL, that's a huge picture of Demise.

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Man, I really hate Sabertooth now. I hope some of the named members join FT later. Rogue and Sting have to work out their issues with Natsu and Gajeel first, but a few good fights should be enough to settle that. Maybe it'll turn out their dragon parents actually adviced them to take their lacrima? *shrug*

Also, Milliana's evil now? Dang, looks like we're in for some more Jellal drama.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 04 May 2012 - 04:12 AM.

[redragon88]

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Man, I really hate Sabertooth now. I hope some of the named members join FT later. Rogue and Sting have to work out their issues with Natsu and Gajeel first, but a few good fights should be enough to settle that. Maybe it'll turn out their dragon parents actually adviced them to take their lacrima? *shrug*

Also, Milliana's evil now? Dang, looks like we're in for some more Jellal drama.

Are you kidding me Boom? --Click here to view--

What do you mean Milliana is evil? She has all the right in the world to be angry at Jellal. For anyone that just loves to praise Jellal for every little thing he does may I remind you that he enslaved his friends and killed one of them. If I was in Milliana's shoes I'd want to torture the guy so that he answers to his crimes. Don't get me wrong, I'm completely aware that Jellal is regretful for everything he did and that it wasn't completely his fault sees as how Ultear had some sort of control over his mind but what really irritates me is that we never see Jellal being particularly traumatized for what he did.

Imagine if you were force to kill someone you knew against your will, I'm pretty sure that it would take months of therapy just to make you act like a normal person again due to the shock. Jellal on the other hand has always remained pretty calm about the whole situation. I know he feels bad but there are very different levels of feeling bad. Jellal's feeling bad is on the level of having an argument with someone and then feeling bad about it, not on the level of I committed unforgivable sins against people who were my friends.

I admit I could be wrong, it has been 7 years for Jellal so maybe when went trough some remembrance trauma after recovering his memories but since we aren't shown that then we can't be sure of it. At the very least he admits he's ready for death if someone wishes to seek revenge on him. I hope he's true to his word when the time comes that he's confronted by Kagura and Milliana.

In all honesty I never liked how the Erza/Jellal romance developed, mainly because I still don't think that Jellal's redemption is yet complete. Only after he was fully redeemed would I have accepted the fact that Erza had developed more feelings for him but as of now it's still in bad taste for me. I feel especially bad for Simon, the girl he always liked ends up together with his murderer. It just reminds me too much of those movies and tv shows where a girl is friendly with a boy and yet is dating someone that bullies him, but instead of telling her own boyfriend to stop abusing her friend she just quietly watches as if she can't do anything and later she defends the boyfriend saying he's just misunderstood. In my opinion a girl that can't even stand by her friends when they're in trouble doesn't have the right call herself a friend. I'm not saying Erza is that kind of girl but the situation just reminds me of that scenario.

So I'm very glad that the fact that Jellal committed terrible crimes hasn't been forgotten by the author. To be honest I always wondered what would Erza's childhood friends think of Jellal's redemption and I'm glad that it's finally been addressed and that they reasonably hold a grudge against Jellal.

[Darth Krypt]

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I really wish Kagura gets to kill Jellal which I think he's willing to die. But unfortunately that won't happen. In the end, I'm sure the scene will go like Kagura having this vengeful eyes facing Jellal, she goes for the kill but for some reason, Jellal will remain alive. Either Erza will stop her, or she somehow forgives him seeing as how he has repented. After reading the whole manga, this is how I see it happening.

[redragon88]

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I really wish Kagura gets to kill Jellal which I think he's willing to die. But unfortunately that won't happen. In the end, I'm sure the scene will go like Kagura having this vengeful eyes facing Jellal, she goes for the kill but for some reason, Jellal will remain alive. Either Erza will stop her, or she somehow forgives him seeing as how he has repented. After reading the whole manga, this is how I see it happening.

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If the story follows the typical formula then it will probably go as you say Darth. At the very least I hope that Jellal is finally confronted by the people he affected during his dark years. I never liked the fact that he only needed Erza's forgiveness for his redemption to be complete since Erza's love for Jellal made her a little biased when is came to letting go of what he had done. Since Milliana and Kagura have no romantic attachment to Jellal it's going to be incredibly difficult for him to earn their forgiveness. If it's done right and those two manage to accept that he was not completely at fault then I will finally accept Jellal has become a good man.

I'm glad Hiro decided to take this route when it came to Jellal since his journey to the good side always seemed poorly done in my opinion. Erza was about the easiest person to convince of Jellal's guilt for what he did, so it's about time that we got shown how would it go when it comes to people who can't possibly take a biased view because of being in love with him.

Edited by redragon88, 04 May 2012 - 04:52 PM.

[Catwho]

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Remember, Jellal has had five years to get over his trauma since he was freed from prison. I image that first year was rough for him, so thankfully he had Ultear and Merody around to keep him from committing suicide over it all. But the average period of time for a non-mentally ill human being to grieve and mourn is about one year. After that year of grief/misery/guilt, he probably is more or less normal again. He's come to terms with himself, what he did, and his guilt is more like a low ache instead of a sharp throbbing pain. The human mind has an amazing capacity to heal; if it didn't. we'd all be depressed 100% of the time.

Mashima opted not to go into intense detail about it because it could be inferred. And that dull level of remaining guilt is why he forced himself to push Erza away, rather than accept her forgiveness and let himself be happy with her.

[redragon88]

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Remember, Jellal has had five years to get over his trauma since he was freed from prison. I image that first year was rough for him, so thankfully he had Ultear and Merody around to keep him from committing suicide over it all. But the average period of time for a non-mentally ill human being to grieve and mourn is about one year. After that year of grief/misery/guilt, he probably is more or less normal again. He's come to terms with himself, what he did, and his guilt is more like a low ache instead of a sharp throbbing pain. The human mind has an amazing capacity to heal; if it didn't. we'd all be depressed 100% of the time.

Mashima opted not to go into intense detail about it because it could be inferred. And that dull level of remaining guilt is why he forced himself to push Erza away, rather than accept her forgiveness and let himself be happy with her.

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I do agree with you and this is probably what Jellal had to go through. Surely if it wasn't for Ultear and Meredy being there for him he probably would've committed suicide out of depression back when he recovered his memories. I guess his guilt is still there but with time he simply got used to the sentiment. I just wish that Hiro could show us a little of that time when he felt extremely regretful, even if it was for just one second, since it would humanizes him a great deal (Jellal is always too stoic, almost robotic, so I wish he would show more emotion).

When I think about it I guess what I never liked was how Erza forgave him so easily back during the Oracion Seis arc. It wasn't too long ago that Jellal had killed a good friend of hers, not to mention that during that time she still wasn't aware that Ultear was the one that controlled Jellal. So from Erza's perspective Jellal had killed Simon and enslaved her friends out of his own free will and yet she cries when he's arrested for those crimes. It just felt that Erza was too forgiving of Jellal just because she was in love with him. Even if she loves him she should have at least been a little resentful for Simon's murder but we never get to see that.

So this is why I'm glad that Milliana holds a grudge on Jellal for killing Simon. In my opinion, if Milliana and Kagura manage to forgive Jellal for what he did then that will be true and genuine forgiveness, since it's not stained by emotions of love like with Erza.

[Cloud]

I really really hate Sting. Arrogant.

Rogue on the other hand is way better.

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RUH OH --Click here to view--

Did Sabretooth's master kick Yukino out to use as a spy? I know Im paranoid, but it seems she might join FT... as a double agent? No?

Edited by Cloud, 04 May 2012 - 11:41 PM.

[Super Boom]

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What do you mean Milliana is evil? She has all the right in the world to be angry at Jellal. For anyone that just loves to praise Jellal for every little thing he does may I remind you that he enslaved his friends and killed one of them. If I was in Milliana's shoes I'd want to torture the guy so that he answers to his crimes. Don't get me wrong, I'm completely aware that Jellal is regretful for everything he did and that it wasn't completely his fault sees as how Ultear had some sort of control over his mind but what really irritates me is that we never see Jellal being particularly traumatized for what he did.

Imagine if you were force to kill someone you knew against your will, I'm pretty sure that it would take months of therapy just to make you act like a normal person again due to the shock. Jellal on the other hand has always remained pretty calm about the whole situation. I know he feels bad but there are very different levels of feeling bad. Jellal's feeling bad is on the level of having an argument with someone and then feeling bad about it, not on the level of I committed unforgivable sins against people who were my friends.

I admit I could be wrong, it has been 7 years for Jellal so maybe when went trough some remembrance trauma after recovering his memories but since we aren't shown that then we can't be sure of it. At the very least he admits he's ready for death if someone wishes to seek revenge on him. I hope he's true to his word when the time comes that he's confronted by Kagura and Milliana.

In all honesty I never liked how the Erza/Jellal romance developed, mainly because I still don't think that Jellal's redemption is yet complete. Only after he was fully redeemed would I have accepted the fact that Erza had developed more feelings for him but as of now it's still in bad taste for me. I feel especially bad for Simon, the girl he always liked ends up together with his murderer. It just reminds me too much of those movies and tv shows where a girl is friendly with a boy and yet is dating someone that bullies him, but instead of telling her own boyfriend to stop abusing her friend she just quietly watches as if she can't do anything and later she defends the boyfriend saying he's just misunderstood. In my opinion a girl that can't even stand by her friends when they're in trouble doesn't have the right call herself a friend. I'm not saying Erza is that kind of girl but the situation just reminds me of that scenario.

So I'm very glad that the fact that Jellal committed terrible crimes hasn't been forgotten by the author. To be honest I always wondered what would Erza's childhood friends think of Jellal's redemption and I'm glad that it's finally been addressed and that they reasonably hold a grudge against Jellal.

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Oops, I definitely misphrased that. I supposed she's definitely not 'evil' evil, but she's evil in the sense that she's being presented as a villain again. Jellal is currently working with Fairy Tail, and has pretty much been redeemed following the Oracion Seis arc, so someone plotting to kill him right now is essentially an antagonist, even if we the readers can sympathize with their motives. Milliana was basically a 'villain' character during the Tower of Heaven arc, regardless of how noble she believed her intentions were, so I sort of see her as returning to a role like that right now.
Though I really doubt it'll last longer than it takes for Kagura to work out her Jellal issues. I'm also curious if Shou and Wally are going to get involved in this whole thing, and which side they're gonna take. Same for Richard/Hoteye, I've always imagined him joining with Erza's old friends once he got out of prison.

Of course, I'm not saying I cared for how Jellal was redeemed. I personally find memory-loss and mind-control to be equally stupid plot devices (honestly, if Kishimoto uses either of them to redeem Sasuke, I'll be REALLY dissapointed), but that's sort of the route Mashima took with Jellal. I guess part of me wants to see more done to fully redeem him, but I'm also tired of all the angst surrounding him.

What does surprise me though, is how Jellal's redemption seems to be such a big issue, both in the story and with the fans, while the issue doesn't really seem as big of a deal with any of the other reformed villains. Lyon ordered the massacre of what he believed to be a human village, Gajeel tortured Lucy and basically crucified Shadow Gear (heck, he's even being shipped with one of them now), and Laxus had the full intention of killing every last citizen of Magnolia (even if his 'heart' wasn't really into it). I mean, if all it took was helping beat Racer, Laxus, and Hades to redeem the first three (actually Lyon seemed like he was redeemed at the end of his own arc), then I feel like Jellal helping Natsu defeat Zero should have satisfied that requirement. I haven't really cared too much, seeing as how Laxus and Gajeel are two of my favorite characters, but it seems like the issue is sort of ignored after awhile when characters have intent to kill and fail, as opposed to actually carrying it out. I know this is a ramble, but I feel like these issues should be present throughout, instead of being heaped onto one character.

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When I think about it I guess what I never liked was how Erza forgave him so easily back during the Oracion Seis arc. It wasn't too long ago that Jellal had killed a good friend of hers, not to mention that during that time she still wasn't aware that Ultear was the one that controlled Jellal. So from Erza's perspective Jellal had killed Simon and enslaved her friends out of his own free will and yet she cries when he's arrested for those crimes. It just felt that Erza was too forgiving of Jellal just because she was in love with him. Even if she loves him she should have at least been a little resentful for Simon's murder but we never get to see that.

So this is why I'm glad that Milliana holds a grudge on Jellal for killing Simon. In my opinion, if Milliana and Kagura manage to forgive Jellal for what he did then that will be true and genuine forgiveness, since it's not stained by emotions of love like with Erza.

I thought Erza's initial meeting with Jellal in the Oracion Seis arc was about as awesome as it could possibly be.

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His redemption was definitely sped through after that, though. And then that flashback about Jellal giving Erza her last name. That was just random. Like, oh yeah, here's a reminder that Jellal's really a good guy. ACCEPT IT!

RUH OH --Click here to view--

Did Sabretooth's master kick Yukino out to use as a spy? I know Im paranoid, but it seems she might join FT... as a double agent? No?

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It think that's a definite possibility. I really hope not, seeing how horribly Super Akuma treated her, but it seems like Sabertooth members are really loyal to their guild.
I kinda think her entrance here is going to have something to do with her gate keys though. Either she's gonna give them to Lucy, ask for a favor in return, or ask Lucy to retrieve her keys back from Sabertooth, if she wasn't allowed to take anything with her. The last one seems pretty likely to me, if Sabertooth and Fairy Tail end up fighting in this arc.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 05 May 2012 - 03:13 AM.

[Cloud]

The only members so far I see possibly joining FT in the near future is Rogue and Yukino.

Sting needs an asswhooping by either Laxus, Gajeel or Natsu.

[redragon88]

I thought Erza's initial meeting with Jellal in the Oracion Seis arc was about as awesome as it could possibly be.

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His redemption was definitely sped through after that, though. And then that flashback about Jellal giving Erza her last name. That was just random. Like, oh yeah, here's a reminder that Jellal's really a good guy. ACCEPT IT!

I guess I did forget how Erza yelled at Jellal for what he did when she met him again during the Oracion Seis arc. But afterward she immediately mellowed down (out of character in my opinion) and, like you said, his redemption at the end felt kind of forced. It was telling the fans to just deal with it and simply accept it. It would've been better development if Jellal had recovered his memories in the middle of that arc.

Maybe people have problems with Jellal's development from bad to good when compared to Lyon, Gajeel and Laxus because each one of those 3 has 10 times a better personality than Jellal. He always has an angsty attitude that eventually becomes annoying, it was especially irritating when he didn't have any memories. He had a more interesting personality when he was controlled by Ultear and even when he was a child. If he could go back to how he acted when he was younger then maybe he'd be more interesting to watch.

[Super Boom]

Maybe people have problems with Jellal's development from bad to good when compared to Lyon, Gajeel and Laxus because each one of those 3 has 10 times a better personality than Jellal. He always has an angsty attitude that eventually becomes annoying, it was especially irritating when he didn't have any memories. He had a more interesting personality when he was controlled by Ultear and even when he was a child. If he could go back to how he acted when he was younger then maybe he'd be more interesting to watch.

Yeah, I agree, the general angst he gives off probably rubs a lot of people the wrong way. I personally liked him better as a villain, before the whole soap opera amnesia plot started. But then again, I generally prefer villains to heroes anyway.

On an unrelated note, I was randomly reading some old Rave chapters recently, and I found this by coincidence.

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I don't know if Gemma's a common name in Japan, but since Gemma was one of the first characters officially introduced in Rave (even if he was pretty unimportant), I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out the reuse of the name was intentional. Mashima seems to like to reference his first manga a lot.

*ignores the fact that the Gemmas are pretty much complete opposites*

Edited by Boom...Winning, 05 May 2012 - 07:23 AM.

[Catwho]

No, it makes sense. Different universes. They're supposed to be opposites!

Edited by Catwho, 05 May 2012 - 02:53 PM.