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[twintailednin29]

amine club started back up in my school today. Sadly this means the comeback of the SASUSAKU fans who bug me about being a narusaku fan. I need your help! Give me your best arguements !!! they keep put the sasuke could save sakura because of the curse mark seal and they keep pulling the fact that when sakura hugged sasuke she made the curse mark go away.

[Vespar]

For arguments, I suggest going to Mizura's topic and looking over her NaruSaku manifesto. Quite possibly the best NaruSaku essay ever!

Otherwise, I'd tell them to read the manga. The anime tends to over-exaggerate a character's stereotype.

[MagusKyros]

You can do what Vespar said, if you want to argue.

Or you can tell them to put a sock in it.

Either way would work. If you're really going to argue, read the manifesto, but try to think of it in your own words. The way Mizura describes NaruSaku is too flowery for an argument (no offense ).

Another argument you can use is the very same scene where Sakura confessed her love to him. In the same scene, she said that Sasuke never tells her anything, and in the end, he chose revenge over her anyway.

[Mizura]

Either way would work. If you're really going to argue, read the manifesto, but try to think of it in your own words. The way Mizura describes NaruSaku is too flowery for an argument (no offense tongue.gif

*kicks you*

The Manifesto Main may be flowery, but the NaruSaku vs SasuSaku is anything But.

[Mizura]

Actually, (and why's that person bringing up the sub again?!?), Hinata wasn't the first to speak. Iruka and the rest of team 7 was. Hinata told him that she didn't want to see him to disappear in the written test, but she didn't tell him that she acknowledged him until much later.

Sakura, in the meantime, cheered Naruto during his fight against Kiba. She also said good of him during the Forest of Death, but Naruto was unconscious. And if you want to go further, as soon as the bell test, Sakura ended up also offering Naruto food, which Naruto was obviously Very grateful for.

Honestly, just by being there and accepting Naruto's presence, team 7 did more for Naruto than anything Hinata could have dreamed of. This is canon: see Naruto's flashbacks, and his order of receiving acknowledgement.

[Arcticfox]

just finished watching the Naruto Kiba fight don't know the episode # sorry, It's not the biggest episode I've seen argueing for Hinata. She did say Naruto but is mostly inner thoughts. Sakura with others were cheering him on. However shows someone else noticing Hinata's feelings for the first time.

[MagusKyros]

just finished watching the Naruto Kiba fight don't know the episode # sorry, It's not the biggest episode I've seen argueing for Hinata. She did say Naruto but is mostly inner thoughts. Sakura with others were cheering him on. However shows someone else noticing Hinata's feelings for the first time.

You have to remember that Naruto was also fighting on her own teammates, so it's not like she can just cheer on someone from a different team that is fighting a member of your team.

The only girl I could see do that is Ino, and it was already established that she doesn't think much of her team XD

[Nate River]

Say, Chidori Mistress, do you have the link to the actual debate on NF your having with this person?

[Rick (Bonta-kun)]

2. What good does it do to realize something and not do anything?

If Hinata noticed Naruto was suffering so much that he admits later on he could have easily into a pyschopathic monster like Gaara was if not for Iruka and Team 7, then does that make her?

If people want to argue that, then ask them why do they think she deserves him? In this scenerio, she was worse than Sakura. Much worse.

Sakura was an ignorant twelve year old who thought Naruto had it good having no parents to boss him around and that he picked on her.

In this scenerio, Hinata saw the true sufferings of a boy being pushed to madness by the hatefullness of the entire village and did nothing. Is shyness really an excuse to let the one you "love" go mad in the pain of lonliness? Especially when Sakura can't be forgiven for her actions to Naruto in the begining of the manga?

5. Can this person prove that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke? Show any kind of evidence?

This is what ive always thought, why are NaruHina fans so keen on proving hinata knew of naruto's loneliness? It says worse about her character if she knew and did absolutely nothing for him, and strangely enough the NaruHina fans are bad mouthing hinata by saying this.

Say, Chidori Mistress, do you have the link to the actual debate on NF your having with this person?

I think this debate is being done over PMs, otherwise half of NF, including darkhope and her minions would be on chidori mistress and she would have alot better arguments to post here

[Kirroha]

Often when my friends debate with me, I'll keep away. cause in the end it always ends up with one of them saying that I hate NaruHina/SasuSaku and I am a pairing freak. With a scorn, sometimes they say, "What IS it between you and NaruSaku?" Ah Well. I'll just ignore.

[Daidoji_Tangen]

amine club started back up in my school today. Sadly this means the comeback of the SASUSAKU fans who bug me about being a narusaku fan. I need your help! Give me your best arguements !!! they keep put the sasuke could save sakura because of the curse mark seal and they keep pulling the fact that when sakura hugged sasuke she made the curse mark go away.

Well, you could ask them to try to give a little more recent evidence. Sakura is one of the most dynamic, if not the most dynamic, characters in Naruto. It's reasonable that not only has she changed but her feelings have too.

Of course it all depends on where they are. If they're sub only, just tell them to wait.

[MagusKyros]

*kicks you*

The Manifesto Main may be flowery, but the NaruSaku vs SasuSaku is anything But.

Well, compared to the way I debate, it seems that way XD.

In the end though, it's pointless to debate against NaruHina and SasuSaku fans. They will ignore any sensible argument you throw at them, and sometimes come up with the weirdest theories you can imagine just to make a certain obvious NaruSaku scene seem like a SasuSaku.

Though I will admit, in a certain way, SasuSaku could happen, but the idea is farfetched, especially with all of the subtle evidence pointing toward NaruSaku. In the end though, it's really up to Sakura.

Just keep this in mind though.

A good chunk of NaruHina fans like the pairing because Hinata has always looked at Naruto nicely, which Sakura hasn't.

A lot of SasuSaku fans believe that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. They keep holding onto that one particular scene in part 1, and ignore her character after it.

Not all of them are like that though. Like Lego and Kyrou (<3).

[One-Shot]

amine club started back up in my school today. Sadly this means the comeback of the SASUSAKU fans who bug me about being a narusaku fan. I need your help! Give me your best arguements !!! they keep put the sasuke could save sakura because of the curse mark seal and they keep pulling the fact that when sakura hugged sasuke she made the curse mark go away.

if they bring up when sasuke was leaving, say "she was in a state of desperation"

if they bring up how sakura stopped him on his curse mark rampage, tell them "if u were paying attention, he was shaking after the mark dissapeared, it wasn't her that made him stop, it was the fact that ANYONE could have made him realise what he was doing"

if they bring up sasuke saving her... "1 time... count how many times NARUTO saved her..."

if u have any other trouble sides those 3 just tell me

[Chidori Mistress]

Well some SasuSaku fans claim these as reasons Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. You may get them.

1.) In N1, Sakura shouted "I LOVE YOU SO MUCH" before Sasuke left and said that she'll even betray the village too just to be with him.

2.) Willing to train with the techer from hell (Tsunade) to be strong enough to find him.

3.) Still determined to find Sasuke like she was in N1.

4.) Was angry with Itachi and said "so you're the one who gave Sasuke so much pain".

5.) Threatens Sai if he ever talked bad about Sasuke.

Sounds like true love to me

If they read the manga these arguments may come up ( like it just came up for me :shamefulcry0js: )
I'm not too good at closing arguments and often talk myself into circles, so if anyone will care to argue against this?

[SakuDotz]

Hahah, you should check some of the debate threads around here.. PLENTY of useful statements there. XD

[Daidoji_Tangen]

1.) In N1, Sakura shouted "I LOVE YOU SO MUCH" before Sasuke left and said that she'll even betray the village too just to be with him.

2.) Willing to train with the techer from hell (Tsunade) to be strong enough to find him.

3.) Still determined to find Sasuke like she was in N1.

4.) Was angry with Itachi and said "so you're the one who gave Sasuke so much pain".

5.) Threatens Sai if he ever talked bad about Sasuke.

Sounds like true love to me

1. A mistranslation and an act of desperation.

Seriously, it's a mistranslation, nothing more needs to be said about that.

As far as the offer to go with him, she immediately threaten to scream. Which suggests her offer wasn't genuine (not that she wouldnt go with him, but she would probaly try to get him to come back to Kohana rather than abandoning the village).

2. Tsunade saw both Naruto and Sasuke when thinking of that important thing.

3. And she was determined to help Naruto.

4. Granted this point is true. But if someone murdered the family of a friend and psychologically tortured him, I would want to to hurt/kill him too. It wouldn't be limited to those I love romantically.

5. She held back for Naruto's sake.

[Gaara]

Yeah, just print that NaruSaku manifesto and hold it under their noses.

[Rick (Bonta-kun)]

In the end though, it's pointless to debate against NaruHina and SasuSaku fans. They will ignore any sensible argument you throw at them, and sometimes come up with the weirdest theories you can imagine just to make a certain obvious NaruSaku scene seem like a SasuSaku.

you noticed this as well mag? lol

i remember reading a LAP done by a SasuSaku fan about Yamato's words to Sakura in whatever chapter that was. The guy somehow turned a certain NaruSaku moment (not saying it was definitely romantic, however it was DEFINITELY a NaruSaku scene) into a SasuSaku hint. By the end of reading it i was so confused i thought i was on drugs

Oh and chidori mistress, as Daidoji_Tangen pointed out, those arguments suck hardcore, except for maybe the first one, im still undecided over that part of the manga.

However 2 sucks, its obvious she was training for both her teammates, im pretty sure she said it too.

Anyway, 3 sucks, because first of all, Sasuke is her teammate so thats obvious she'd want him back, and second Naruto's also determined to bring him back, probably more than Sakura is, does that mean Naruto loves Sasuke more than Sakura? lol. And lastly as Daidoji said, she is also extremely determined to help Naruto from Akatsuki.

Then there is point 4, which also sucks, because of what Daidoji said and also if i remember correctly she also said something about Itachi going after naruto (Not 100% sure if thats true, been a while since i read the manga, correct me if im wrong), so she hates him for what he has done to BOTH her teammates, not just sasuke.

And last point, correct me if im wrong, but didnt she stop naruto from kicking the crap out of Sai? and held back because she knew Naruto would have shoved a Rasengan up his ass? lol

damn, i think i need to read the manga again, im forgetting alot of stuff and possibly making stuff up, not good for debating

[Nick Soapdish]

Another reminder to stop stereotyping SasuSaku and NaruHina fans, such as ignoring sensible arguments. Just because they disagree with the argument doesn't mean that they're ignoring it.

And I also wanted to give my thoughts on a couple of the other points brought up.

I don't think that anybody could've stopped Sasuke on his curse seal rampage - just Naruto or Sakura. He had little or no attachment to any of the other genins present.

Sasuke has saved Sakura twice - from Orochimaru in the Forest of Death and then catching her after Gaara's sand released her. He was also willing to save Sakura on two other occasions - from the Demon Brothers, but Kakashi stepped in front and he was willing to save her from Gaara, but was overcome by the pain from the curse seal. It's the emotional support that he's been lacking in.

I think that the offer was genuine at the time. But it was also an act of desperation and what cemented my opinion that her romantic feelings for Sasuke were just a crush. She was willing to do whatever she had to in order to stay with Sasuke, whether it was stay with the village or go, whether it made him happy or not, and whether it was what Sasuke wanted to do. She was thinking first and foremost of herself.

*topic merged with debate thread*

[kawarimi]

1. A mistranslation and an act of desperation.

Seriously, it's a mistranslation, nothing more needs to be said about that.

Question: How is it a mistranslation exactly?

you noticed this as well mag? lol

i remember reading a LAP done by a SasuSaku fan about Yamato's words to Sakura in whatever chapter that was. The guy somehow turned a certain NaruSaku moment (not saying it was definitely romantic, however it was DEFINITELY a NaruSaku scene) into a SasuSaku hint. By the end of reading it i was so confused i thought i was on drugs

I think you misunderstood. There wasn't an argument or even implication that it was SasuSaku hint (although you aren't the only person to come away with that impression :\); Sasuke tied into it through plot relevance, not a pairing hint. The main argument was that it wasn't a romantic moment at all, but more about character development, and further progress of NaruSaku bond in general/teamwork. Maybe it wasn't written very well.