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#1001 Negi Ramen

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 06:35 AM

QUOTE (tundotcom @ Feb 3 2005, 08:20 PM)
Naruto really needs to get on the ball with romance. It has everything good in an anime except for one thing. WHERE'S THE LOVE?!


Although romance is nice now then, remember that Naruto is an action series. Too much romance will make it into a shoujo =P

I wouldn't really mind any Naru/Hina if it were friendly fluff - nothing romantic. However, it kind of amuses me whenever I see a post saying, "I hope Naruto falls in love with Hinata the instant he sees her!" It reminds me of the time I went to a Naru/Hina shrine and the webmistress overanalyzed EVERY SINGLE SCENE they were in together - even the part when Naruto turns to Hinata after the paper test and goes, "I knew about it all along! Isn't that right?" I think she said something about how that moment shows that Naruto trusts/respects/cares for her, or whatever ^^;;

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 06:45 AM

Bah Naruto didn't even respect Hinata at all until he said "I like PEOPLE like you"

Of course the NaruHina's take that as being Naruto's confession of love to Hinata.

Also what is with the Hinata fans and b00bz you ask? Well it's simple the Hinata FC and NaruHina FC consist of rabid Hinata fanboys who want some Hinata lovin' so to speak.

Heck they practically want to kill Kabuto because he touched Hinata's breasts... or lack of breasts.

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 06:46 AM

Funny. I also remember going to a Sakura shrine and...well...I haven't seen a shrine yet that isn't dedicated to SasuSaku. In 'Hanabira', the webmistress, with SasuSaku being the favorite pairing for Sakura, says "Sakura used to dislike Naruto, but now she's starting to acknowledge him. I don't think these two will ever have a romantic relationship, but I do think that they will care for each other as more than a teammate.

Yeah, but Sakura and Sasuke's relationship is, well...worse than Naruto and Sakura's. Is that the reason SasuSaku is so canon?
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Posted 05 February 2005 - 08:43 AM

There mostly gonna say that Sakura will always like Sasuke forever and ever or something and what's worse is some people think that a canon pairing may happen at the start and they will STAY forever with that pairing until the end... that's just weird crazy.. i saw some NaruHina and SasuSaku..

That sentence that Blessed_devil posted in bold is just... why the hell are they saying that? no proof to back that up? just some nonsense that she added so it would make her pairing look better then NaruSaku?!!? AHHHH Crazy! there too crazy!! I have a feeling that most NaruHina and SasuSaku just read the beginning of the manga and stopped somehow so they can imagine there favorite pairing until the end of time or something... When there are event that can damage there pairing, they ignore or deny.. Well i guess that's what a fanboy/girl are...

Anyways... Did you guys see the Inane's version of 246? It's like there messing all the chapter compared to the earlier versions... like when Naruto is thinking when he saw Sakura break the ground. They maded him say Sakura but not Sakura-Chan... he NEVER say Sakura without the chan... Wasnt Inane 245 different from the others as well? Strange Strange...
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Posted 05 February 2005 - 08:57 AM

What I want to know is what is with the Lee x Sakura crowd getting up in arms?

I mean I don't remember Sakura EVER showing any interest in Lee. Unlike the interest she's shown in Naruto.

Plus Lee's crush on Sakura was pretty much a passing one since it doesn't seem like he feels anything for her after the chuunin exam.

At least that's my assessment.

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 09:01 AM

You know that the SasuSaku will change to LeeSaku when EVERYONE knows SasuSaku wont happen or even NejiSaku because i have a feeling she cant go with Naruto by some unknown law and also because he "somehow" has to belong to Hinata... It's like there making some kind of weird law saying they belong together and always will...
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Posted 05 February 2005 - 01:52 PM

I really do think tht most SasuSaku and NejiSaku fans, are nothing more then fangirls of the male character and iwsh they where in Sakura's place. I really wanted to know what happened to all the Leesaku fans, there is a much better chance of it happening then SasuSaku.

Most NaruHina fans, are nothing more then Hinata fanboys that hate Sakura and want Hinata to one.

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Why would KibaHina work?? Kiba is nothing more than a Naruto-copy without the harsh childhood.


Even those this comment is anit-KibaHina, it's true Kiba and some more minor Characters are Naruto-copies without his childhood. But if he is a Naruto clone then why can't KibaHina work?

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 03:19 PM

bah, i hereby decree that i will not get into narutohinata vs narusaku or hinata vs sakura issues ever again

edit: lol, u know im watchin slayers, amelia and her dad are just like lee and gai, cept its father and daughter instead of teacher and pupil, lol just needed to say that
I worked on the railroad
For t'pence a day
Drank down one penny
The other I'd save
I hammered and I hammered
For God knows how long
Well into madness, with each setting sun
I put my head down and I dreamt you were here
With me by the ol' tree, where no one could care

Far Away Boys, Far Away Boys
Away from ya now
I'm lyin' with my sweetheart
In her arms I'll be found

Then the sun belched upon me
You were no longer here
Lyin' in your place was my hammer and my gear
We came to a mountain
Dynamite and she'll blow
A big hole in that rock
Like the one in my soul

With the heat I was melting
Into your sweet lips
Ah, your kiss takes me back
Takes me back from all this

Far Away Boys, Far Away Boys
Away from ya now
I'm lyin' with my sweetheart
In her arms I'll be found

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 05:14 PM

QUOTE (Aethos @ Feb 4 2005, 08:04 PM)
Oh yes Sorita I'm sure your boobs are VERRRRRRRRY intimidating  laugh.gif So I'm guessing that you've already made Itachi surrender eh?

Are you kidding!? He's out there watering the petunias! XD

Personally, I see more evidence for SakuLee than S***S***. ^^; but it's hard to say now because we haven't seen Lee and Sakura interact in over 2.5 years. and considering his conduct with Naruto before he fought Kimimaro, I'd say Lee is a NaruSaku fan too XD.

I think, just to seperate himself from Naruto's personality, Kiba should become a perv, like, I dunno, a Sanji perv! XD That would rock!

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 10:07 PM

No I want to see Lee become a Sanji perv

after all in my One Piece comparison with the Naruto characters.

Naruto = Luffy
Sasuke = Zoro
Sakura = Nami
Neji = Ussop
Lee = Sanji

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 11:22 PM

Neji = Ussop?

I don't see it.

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 12:09 AM

Easy to be a sharpshooter you need good eyes.

Ussop and Neji both have good eyes

SOOOOOOOOOOO

Neji = Ussop

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 03:30 AM

I have a new rant.

Listen to this guy.

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The man by nature is stronger, the woman don?t need to be strong. Surely there womans who need to fight in life but this is because they don?t have a man to take care her. The man is to protect the woman, and not vice versa. For me is unnatural if a woman challenge and scold a man, and is very bad looking for me when your own women do it. Is like, if some guy insult me of course I will defend myself, I will say something back and if we need to fix it with a fight then I do it. But if a women insult me, usually I just laugh or turn around and go, because? well what you want me to do? Not even in joke I will fight with a woman, if I do it I lose my honor as a man. Maybe this sound to ?samurai thoughts? but I really think this is according to the real nature of man and woman. If you want a woman that ?try? (because by nature is not) to be strong and independent then this mean you are not a real man. For me is easy to diagnose the man who prefer this type of woman: effeminate, lazy, cafetoes, with weak and cowardly personalities. A woman is only independent if she has a cowardly man.



The personality of Naruto is enough to spice a relationship. If she get a girl like Sakura this would be an ?extreme spicy? and all extremes are bad.



Oh now you have a power to read naruto mind? I see? this is just an opinion, so don?t affirm it.



I mean in personality not all the interests. Naruto is very loudly very energetic, and like to discuss, I think he have more future with a girl like Hinata that is different in this sense. Sakura is loudly, energetic also, etc. This would be a very loudly relationship and with a hundred of problems.



I don?t mind ?loyal? in the sense of hand out with another ninja round there. I mean to be with him in everything, if there is a thing against him even if is his fault she will be with him, to keep secrets, etc. I really don?t know how to express it in english, but I mind another type of more complex loyalty.



Well in my opinion man have to be independent and is capable enough to do it by his own. Woman is not to scold the man, but to be with him in everything. We think very different as you see.


Ok now discuss. I can't believe that guy would even say that. It sounds like he considers women to be property and inferior to men. I mean what is with this?!

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 04:34 AM

well it is a point of view and ppl did think that way, in victorian times men and women had set roles, the woman couldnt b strong and were considered pieces of property. (thank you ms f for having us read the Awakening) so either this person is sexist, or truely believes, like they did in victorian times, that women are the inferior gender
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For t'pence a day
Drank down one penny
The other I'd save
I hammered and I hammered
For God knows how long
Well into madness, with each setting sun
I put my head down and I dreamt you were here
With me by the ol' tree, where no one could care

Far Away Boys, Far Away Boys
Away from ya now
I'm lyin' with my sweetheart
In her arms I'll be found

Then the sun belched upon me
You were no longer here
Lyin' in your place was my hammer and my gear
We came to a mountain
Dynamite and she'll blow
A big hole in that rock
Like the one in my soul

With the heat I was melting
Into your sweet lips
Ah, your kiss takes me back
Takes me back from all this

Far Away Boys, Far Away Boys
Away from ya now
I'm lyin' with my sweetheart
In her arms I'll be found

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 05:47 AM

Wow, just wow, and why did he posted that first paragraph thing? because someone said someone like Sakura wanted to be strong and not to be weak anymore? and he posts that? what the hell...

The second paragraph is even worse

""Well in my opinion man have to be independent and is capable enough to do it by his own. Woman is not to scold the man, but to be with him in everything. We think very different as you see""

I think he thinks that everyone must be the same because he is talking for everyone now

So at the end, he says Hinata must be with Naruto instead of Sakura because girl like Hinata are perfect woman in his/her mind. Uhhh....
The spice thing is horrible, VERY horrible comparision. Naruto is a type of person that without any help or supervision, he can do anything and with Sakura, she can check on him and dont let stuff get out of hand. And for Hinata, what will she do? Always smile and go with what Naruto will do? Argh! that rant must be the worse rant ever trying to destroy or maybe just simply annoy NaruSaku pairing
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Posted 06 February 2005 - 09:55 AM

I am a student of Japanese History in my spare time and I remember the Samurai concept of 'not taking kitten from anybody.' Not women, men, peasants, or anyone who's below you in the unspoken, feudalist hierarchy.
Don't use 'samurai thoughts' as a phrase if you can't properly wrangle English syntax, especially if you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Don't insult my masculinity, because your perceptions are limited by the damaging optical stigmatism resultant from inbreeding.

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For me is easy to diagnose the man who prefer this type of woman: effeminate, lazy, cafetoes, with weak and cowardly personalities.

Go ahead. Come here and you can have an enlightened discussion with my knife. What the hell is 'cafetoes?' Is that Pidgeon-toed? Or Pidgeon-holed? My apologies, your colloquialism is... somewhat lacking.

Alright, so you won't speak ill of a woman, even in jest. That's fine. Act however you like. Drop your guard. That's brilliant.

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I don?t mind ?loyal? in the sense of hand out with another ninja round there. I mean to be with him in everything, if there is a thing against him even if is his fault she will be with him, to keep secrets, etc. I really don?t know how to express it in english, but I mind another type of more complex loyalty.

Oh man, don't even get me started. Verbs are not the only words in our language that conjugate. That's all I'll say about that. But otherwise, what the f*** is this guy saying? The first sentence of the above excerpt is out of context with the rest of the paragraph.

Ah yes, 'complex loyalty,' by which you mean blind loyalty. Gentlemen perfer blondes, after all, but most normal men enjoy conversation, rather than loyal silence punctuated by blinking. Gentlemen suck.
Next you'll be going on about the inherent emotional instability all women possess and how this makes them incapable of attaining true independence. (Sarcasm. Sarcasm.) Which of course begs the question: what good is a woman who is totally dependent and loyal to a fault?
The answer: She fills out that sweater real nice.
Or, even better: Even though I hit her, she knows I love her.
A dependent woman is clingy dumbass. If she can't do anything on her own, then she'll need you to do everything for her. If you like that, then this means you like feeling like the 'big strong man' archetype which frequently goes hand-in-hand with the 'control freak.'
But she's a great lay, huh?
::sneers:: Dipkitten.

Look, Migeru29, you have to realize that life has advanced from the 1950s. Sexual politics are different, especially now when more and more of life is being digitized. People do all sorts of things for a living these days. Women can take on all sorts of different professions and make a large amount of money.

Which comes to my point: Independence is guaranteed by financial security! Not by anything else. Get over yourself and get out from under your comfortable rock.

Independent women are more fun. They're more intellectually stimulating and far more interesting to be with. OK, so you've got a subconscious need to dominate the 'weaker' sex. That's alright. Just don't shake a finger at me, like a principal or moral figure of authority and expect me to suddenly see the light.
(This is, of course, because your opinion is bullsh**.)

In my striving to become a Renaissance man, I've studied a little psychology and a lot of evolution. I see where you're coming from, I really do. Genetically and biologically, it is mandated that men to the dangerous work. Example: A population that loses an appreciable fraction of its males is not crippled, but if it loses a similar fraction of females, it's screwed. This is, of course, a disadvantage of the way in which we as humans bred and gestate. Not important.

But really, how much is the ability to lift heavy objects good for in the job market these days? White collar jobs are the sort that require a great deal more mental effort and generally speaking, pay a good deal more. Women, by the above logic you yourself state, are better suited to these positions.

But I'm digressing my digital foot up your electronic ass, so you'll forgive me when I cut this short.

In conclusion:
-Your syntax is awful. Your pronoun usage is atrocious. Gender confusion is rampant. Naruto changes sex at least twice in your... essay. I beg of you, learn to use English properly. I'd ask you what your first tongue is, but I'm no polyglot, so I'll probably not know it.
-This isn't how we do things around here. Saying things like that will not win friends or influence people around here.
-You are wrong.
-My opinion is just that. Mine. Just as you are entitled to your own (with which you have so generously graced us,) so too are we.
It never ceases to amaze me how someone can outright state that someone else's opinion is dead wrong, yet believe that their own is the gospel truth. I will admit to being guilty of this, so you don't have to feel so alone.
-Don't say things to spark an argument or generate conflict. This is an internet forum, not a bar brawl. We hope (but don't expect) a small amount of decency here, with a bit of logic and reason added it.
-Stop being a retard. This may be your biggest problem. Don't expect this to change overnight. If you're under the age of twenty, give growing up a try and see if the problem goes away on it's own. If not, well, good luck. You'll need it.
-It's funny how you can have the audacity to call someone else a coward for their preferences (especially when you're fond of the submissives who won't challenge your authority as the 'big, strong man', the very pinnacle of emotional cowardice.) Perhaps if I had a fondness for sneaking up behind someone and stabbing them between the shoulder blades, then you could call me a coward.
The internet is, in retrospect, probably a bad thing. Give anyone anonymity and a place to write where others will listen, and you'll get the internet f***wad. A breed of people who enjoy spouting their inflammatory and sexist/racist/vicious opinions to all who'll pay attention. They enjoy the ability to say whatever, whenever, wherever without fear of reprisal or come-uppance.

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 10:03 AM

I replied to that idiotic statement in the NaruSaku FC thread in NarutoForums, and I will just say one thing here (since Geno has written another excellent rant).

Anyone who looks down on women like that just plainly doesn't deserve to be in a relationship.

I also prefer independent women who are not afraid to speak their minds. As well as great conversation, that also helps me know when I've screwed up (I prefer to be told/strongly hinted rather than have to figure it out myself without any help). I just can't stand seeing quiet people who allow others to walk all over themselves.

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EDIT: I bolded everything I said since the quote tags don't seem to be working.

Some follow up posts on what's going on there. I decided to respond to the resident moron and here's what happened.

My response to his next post.


[QUOTE=Aethos][QUOTE=migeru29]Hello Aethos and Mizura. Well I see both are pointed in the same direction that now is a ?new age?, and my thoughts are very old. No problem I already know that. I?m not a usual person in many aspects, I born in a family of martial artist, me personal I?m national champion of Jiu-Jitsu (Ju-Jutsu), and I were also of Judo. I just listen instrumental music; I would never eat not even in joke in American restaurants like Macdonald, carlos junior, etc. I use to live in Japan because I have the chance to train Judo there, there is were I start watching anime until now, also my woman I was talking about is Japanese her name is Shoko, when I back to Argentina she come with me, she is a very traditional woman, because she is not from Tokyo but from Kyoto. I had have a lot of problems in relationships because my thoughts, but I didn?t care, because I knew that even if what I was looking was very hard, one they will come, since I meet shoko I knew this was my woman.

I know that in this new age we have more scientific knowledge, and we have a lot of technology. But that doesn?t mean that now we have more wise and spiritual knowledge. In fact people of know lack of wise, we are more materialist, people of know doesn?t know the word honor, loyalty, etc. The worlds have go and function almost in every culture in the past like this, a woman who doesn?t have offspring is useless, woman have breast and kitten to have offspring, that is by nature, and they have to take care of them.

Me personal I?m a very spiritual-religious person, I?m not in any particular, I just agreed with all religions that say that God exists and he is a man. The old Japanese culture in my opinion is the one which understand this clearer than any culture, but let?s quote the Bible:

1 Corinthians 11

7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

Ephesians 5
22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
1 Timothy 2
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

I can?t remember all the texts, but this is enough for now I guess. Is clear that man and woman are different, the woman was created for man and not vice versa. Woman can?t teach or have authority over a man, and they have to submit in everything. And no Aethos, man and woman are not equals, that?s just a lie. You can?t believe everything you want. And Im not saying this just because a holly book said it, or a spiritual book as hagakure or bushido said it? this is obvious just by natural means. The most obvious is the physical superiority, we are physical more perfect and superior. Because God is also a man. That?s why Olympic sports and everything is separate, because it would not be fair. Truth is not what you ?think or fell is fair or not, or right or not?. Maybe yes woman would feel but ?that?s not fair?, well I don?t know, but the truth is the truth and sometimes is not as we think it have to be or what we want to be. I?m sorry girls but this is the reality. And I really don?t care if all this new stupid and contaminate new thoughts of the world are against me, by fortune I?m not the only one, we are few of course, but I don?t need too much friends and to much woman. I just need one woman like this, and few but real friends.[/QUOTE]


Though I respect your opinion. Do not pull out some verses of the Bible without adhereing to all verses of the Bible.

There are 11 different women in the Bible who are teachers as well as leaders. The judge Debra being one of them. The Bible also says "Husbands submit to your wives." God did not intend women to be subserviant slaves with a controlling man pulling her strings. What he meant was for both husband and wife to love each other, respect each other, and be accountable to each other.

And although Japanese women are taught to be submissive. Most Japanese men have mistresses who are more on the wild side. Wouldn't it be better to find one woman to love and be true too than to cheat?

In regards to a man being weak if he likes an aggressive woman I would say a man is not weak or cowardly. Every man enjoys a woman who is self-reliant and independant to some degree. Just as you don't like independant woman; I don't like woman who are needy and clingy and demand 24 hour attention of my time. Again I think it goes that when it comes to major decisions a couple should talk about issues but the man still has final say which IS biblical. But both parties would HAVE to be in agreement. Thus I still believe that men and women should be equal but when it comes to being head of the house hold men will always have the final decision in that respect as long as both parties agree.

So lighten up. You don't have to control a woman. You just have to love her.[/
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Though I may not agree with your opinion. Do not pull out some verses of the Bible without adhereing to all verses of the Bible. There are 11 different women in the Bible who are teachers as well as leaders. The judge Debra being one of them. The Bible also says "Husbands submit to your wives." God did not intend women to be subserviant slaves with a controlling man pulling her strings. What he meant was for both husband and wife to love each other, respect each other, and be accountable to each other. [/QUOTE]


Well, I will not say what ?God intend to say or what he not?, I can?t talk for him. I Just read it, and think that is more clear than the water. Which verses you don?t want me to pool, I just put the parts that talk about it, I will not put all the verses that would be very long, and please tell me where the Bible said ?Husbands submit to wives? when you quote something please indicate which book and which verse.


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And although Japanese women are taught to be submissive. Most Japanese men have mistresses who are more on the wild side. [/QUOTE]


And?

I know it, I use to live in Tokyo, times have change I know. But if you go to Kyoto there are a lot of traditional people.


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Wouldn't it be better to find one woman to love and be true too than to cheat?
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Sorry I didn?t understand what you mean. Can you be more precise please.


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In regards to a man being weak if he likes an aggressive woman I would say a man is not weak or cowardly.
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Of course, just cowards have the honor to fight and discuss with an aggressive woman.


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Every man enjoys a woman who is self-reliant and independant to some degree. Just as you don't like independant woman; I don't like woman who are needy and clingy and demand 24 hour attention of my time.
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Also I don?t like women that demand 24 hour of attention. Where did you get this?


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Again I think it goes that when it comes to major decisions a couple should talk about issues but the man still has final say which IS biblical. But both parties would HAVE to be in agreement. Thus I still believe that men and women should be equal but when it comes to being head of the house hold men will always have the final decision in that respect as long as both parties agree. So lighten up. You don't have to control a woman. You just have to love her.
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Ok. Here are a couple of things to discuss. First, I don?t control my woman in the sense that I use force or obligate her to don?t discuss my decisions; she is just by natural means like this. I will never use force to control a woman; I will lose my honor as a man, but woman should not take advantage of this and do whatever she want. Even if I ask her, are you agreed with this decision, she will always tell me yes. So I don?t waste my time to ask her all the time. And again about the Bible, I think the Bible is very clear and precise about the differences between man and woman. Man is the glory of God, woman is the glory of man, woman was made for man and not man for woman, man is the head of the woman, etc. And as I said, I don?t need the Bible to know about this truths, you just need to discover by natural sense. And by the way, I love my shoko to much.[/QUOTE]

And thus my response to THAT post.

[QUOTE=Aethos][QUOTE=migeru29]Well, I will not say what ?God intend to say or what he not?, I can?t talk for him. I Just read it, and think that is more clear than the water. Which verses you don?t want me to pool, I just put the parts that talk about it, I will not put all the verses that would be very long, and please tell me where the Bible said ?Husbands submit to wives? when you quote something please indicate which book and which verse. [/QUOTE]

Genesis 1:27 views men and women as equally created in the image of God. Men and women have equal value to God, and should be seen by us as having absolutely equal value as persons, and equal value to the church.

Eph 5:25-28 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

Eve wasn't made from Adam's head, to rule over him, from his feet, to be beneath him - but from his side, to be his equal, under his arm to be protected by him and near his heart to be loved by him.

Marriage isnt a submission but a partnership between two equals.

Also read The Song of Solomon where it says that both partners control each other's bodies.




[QUOTE=migeru29]And?

I know it, I use to live in Tokyo, times have change I know. But if you go to Kyoto there are a lot of traditional people. [/QUOTE]

Most Japanese women are going western.

Do you believe that parents should pick the husbands and wives for their children? That's also a Japanese custom.



[QUOTE=migeru29]Sorry I didn?t understand what you mean. Can you be more precise please. [/QUOTE]

Most Japanese men have wives at home and mistresses on the side. As reported in an A&E special called "Life of a Geisha." not only that but traditional Japanese women are ok with that.

I just don't see that as being honorable or loyal even if it is acceptable in Japan.




[QUOTE=migeru29]Of course, just cowards have the honor to fight and discuss with an aggressive woman. [/QUOTE]

A woman can be strong and independant and still be submissive to a husband. A man can like a strong woman and not be a coward.



[QUOTE=migeru29]Also I don?t like women that demand 24 hour of attention. Where did you get this?[/QUOTE]

Well that's your definition of a submissive woman isn't it?



[QUOTE=migeru29]Ok. Here are a couple of things to discuss. First, I don?t control my woman in the sense that I use force or obligate her to don?t discuss my decisions; she is just by natural means like this. I will never use force to control a woman; I will lose my honor as a man, but woman should not take advantage of this and do whatever she want.[/QUOTE]

That doesn't even make sense. Define "whatever she wants."

[QUOTE=migeru29] Even if I ask her, are you agreed with this decision, she will always tell me yes. So I don?t waste my time to ask her all the time. And again about the Bible, I think the Bible is very clear and precise about the differences between man and woman. Man is the glory of God, woman is the glory of man, woman was made for man and not man for woman, man is the head of the woman, etc. And as I said, I don?t need the Bible to know about this truths, you just need to discover by natural sense. And by the way, I love my shoko to much.[/QUOTE]

If you think that you can go through life with the attitude that your wife doesn't need to be asked in decision making then you'll be a very unhappy man. Women like to be asked and to say that you don't have to ask her then there's no real reason for you to have a wife then.

Also about your views on the Bible. Man must submit to God first which is acceptance of Christ into his heart and his life. Then and only then can you expect someone to be submissive to you. But also your partner would have to submit her life to christ as well. And that's why God said "Do not be unequally joined."

Besides in all fairness if you love someone then you don't want to control them. Read 1st Corinthians chapter 13 that's what real love is
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Posted 06 February 2005 - 12:51 PM

what the heck...

He's a plain arrogant, cocky, egoistical, DELUSIONAL little bastard. And he's a plain traditionalist.

End of story.

And on a side note, it's nice to see males defending the girls. I'm glad to see there's no biased opinions from anyone here about men in higher position than ladies, for I'm a girl myself. You guys made my mood better after I seen that little offending post. happy.gif

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 01:08 PM

Ok this is what happened next then

His reply to me. Check out the last paragraph. Talk about blatant insults.

Again everything I wrote is bolded

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Genesis 1:27 views men and women as equally created in the image of God. Men and women have equal value to God, and should be seen by us as having absolutely equal value as persons, and equal value to the church.

Eph 5:25-28 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

Eve wasn't made from Adam's head, to rule over him, from his feet, to be beneath him - but from his side, to be his equal, under his arm to be protected by him and near his heart to be loved by him.

Marriage isnt a submission but a partnership between two equals.

Also read The Song of Solomon where it says that both partners control each other's bodies.?



Now you quote sentimental and love things, also you wrote a funny poem. With this you will make girls cry but I see you are just avoiding what I ask you.


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Most Japanese women are going western.
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Yeah I know is something very sad and pathetic. They want to act like blond liberal girls now, eat MacDonald, they celebrate Christmas and some other foreigner celebrations but not their own traditional celebrations, that is so ridiculous. And not just the mental sense, also the physical, they are so unnatural, paint their hair, operate to have bigger eyes, etc. Me and Shoko always laugh of this poor girls without identity.


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Do you believe that parents should pick the husbands and wives for their children? That's also a Japanese custom.?



Well that?s just a custom something more cultural, is not a natural truth or something like that. But you are out of topic now.


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Most Japanese men have wives at home and mistresses on the side. As reported in an A&E special called "Life of a Geisha." not only that but traditional Japanese women are ok with that.

I just don't see that as being honorable or loyal even if it is acceptable in Japan?


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I don?t fallow that, but I was talking more about the woman loyalty to man not vice versa. Anyway, you are out of topic.


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A woman can be strong and independant and still be submissive to a husband. A man can like a strong woman and not be a coward.?




Eh? What this have to do with what I said? A woman can be strong yes but never as a man, I let shoko train Judo, but she can?t fight with mans and I teach her some techniques just by tradition but I don?t fight with her. But for me to be strong is a very special thing, I don?t call everything strong, I hope if I have a son, then would like him to be strong, but I?m not looking that in a woman.


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Well that's your definition of a submissive woman isn't it??




Submissive woman is the one who demand 24 hour of attention. You are confused in definitions, you should look at a dictionary.

She is with me almost all the time, while Im training for 3 hours everyday, she is there watching me and waiting, but she is not demanding attention. In fact, I demand more attention. Well I don?t ?demand? it she just by natural means do it. Western woman if you come home tired from training you have to say ?please my love can you give me a massage? then she do a sh*tty face and maybe do it. My woman just do it naturally I don?t have to say it.


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That doesn't even make sense. Define "whatever she wants."?




I said: I will never use force to control a woman; I will lose my honor as a man if I do that, but woman should not take advantage of this and do whatever she want. What I mean is that I could force a woman obviously but I will never do it, but woman should not take advantage just because I will not use force, and do everything she wants (here I mean anything that she knows I don?t want her to do). Woman should respect since he know I can but I don?t do it. It would be very dishonor if she takes advantage of this.


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If you think that you can go through life with the attitude that your wife doesn't need to be asked in decision making then you'll be a very unhappy man.?



As I said, I can do that, in fact sometimes I do it. But is a waste of time, since she will always be with me. Or tell me well whatever you want, sometimes I insist and tell her; today we go to any restaurant you want so she tells me. But always when I take a decision she is never against me. That?s why is unnecessary to ask her.


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Women like to be asked and to say that you don't have to ask her then there's no real reason for you to have a wife then.?




Is not the same to go alone to eat in a good restaurant than with the woman you feel comfortable to be with.


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Also about your views on the Bible. Man must submit to God first which is acceptance of Christ into his heart and his life. Then and only then can you expect someone to be submissive to you. But also your partner would have to submit her life to christ as well. And that's why God said "Do not be unequally joined."?




Eh? Please focus in the topic, this is another dimension.

Besides in all fairness if you love someone then you don't want to control them. Read 1st Corinthians chapter 13 that's what real love is.

I know that chapter. Love is really not defined there, is more like a sentimental poem of love. And again, what you mean with ?control them?? That seems to me to forcing, control them in which aspect you mean?

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Btw how can you be so foolish defending the ?new feminism thoughts?. Sorry to say that, but you seem to me like the typical American guy that is behind woman?s like a dog dishonoring himself, and let himself to be dominate by a woman? ahh? if this is true, that?s for me what of the saddest things I can see in this world.


And my final reply to that moron

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migeru29 when I said strong independant women I meant women who can think for themselves and make decisions on their own. Who challenge you despite or even when you're acting stupid.

I would still rather defend the modern female than be a pompous control freak. I feel sorry any man who thinks he has to dominate a woman. In my eyes that makes you weak in character. Even though your body can be strong and you can train to your hearts content. If you don't treat another person with dignity and respect. Then you're no better than a 21st Century bully or a caveman I haven't figured out which.

Thank you for the lively conversation. I'll be sure NEVER to take your opinion to heart.





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