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[TouKen4Life3g]

Can you please tell me what is the meaning of fanbase?

Well, Pairing fanbase.

[TouKen4Life3g]

This is EXACTLY what I thought. It's disappointing....his Rinnegan ability is only a Kawarimi. How the hell is that considered a power-up? That was a HUGE let down. Indra the supposed genius son has really lame powers.

Well it's no wonder Ashura got equal because he has hidden ability that was unfold by love. Indra is what we have seen already as Uchiha but at the final state.

[Awes9]

This is EXACTLY what I thought. It's disappointing....his Rinnegan ability is only a Kawarimi. How the hell is that considered a power-up? That was a HUGE let down. Indra the supposed genius son has really lame powers.

Sasuke has one special rinnegan with tomoe and all he gets with it is a freaking Kawarimi, Obito' simple MS with Kamui is better.
I will wait maybe there's more to it but right now that's disappointing.

[FireFox]

I think on the contrary that's the best thing that can happen to NS, if NS happens while Sakura and Sasuke are on bad terms it will always feel imcomplete and people will say Naruto is simply Sakura's second choice whereas if Sakura and Sasuke are friends or comrades and Sakura still decides not to be with him and not to look for him anymore it would be much more mature for her character. No one will say she will be with Naruto because she couldn't get Sasuke, she would choose Naruto OVER Sasuke and that's the key point it would legitimate NS far more than her choosing Naruto because Sasuke is a bad guy and therefore not available.

Naruto stopped being a silver medal a long time ago how many times does Sakura needs to chose him over Sasuke for this to be convincing ? How many times does it needed to be stated that almost all she does is for him ? 

 

Lets make something clear Sasuke being good or bad doesn't make a difference bc Sasuke will stab them again  all she needs is to  realizes that she doesn't love him anymore like that but as a friend like I said all she needs is her figuring this out  otherwise what you are implying is NS will happen in the very end when Sakura will realize everything in an instant do you consider this good ?

 

I have no problem with Sasuke acknowledging her for her to realize that she doesn't love him romantically anymore but I do have a problem with how it is done  and with Kishi giving SS a moment which can be considered romantic by giving that eye focus kitten panel he basically gives that impression and this lowers NS credibility and it also doesn't help that with basically the same set up NS had in 672 he skipped the whole moment where NS could have a mutual interaction and for Naruto to actually witness Sakura's feelings for him but he gives that to SS . Also How is Naruto supposed to believe Sakura if he misses all those moments 

 

It comes as SS have mutual interactions and NS's are all skipped for the purpose of hiding Sakura's feelings and Naruto not witnessing it when in this time this is exactly what is needed this lowers NS credibility and ruins its image  I don't know if I can be much more clear then this .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 17 July 2014 - 01:25 PM.

[narusaku256]

Well, Pairing fanbase.

No not the SS fanbase. Okay I'll try to explain my position as best as I can. When 615 happened things were still in its developmental stages and giving them a moment then was still okay. But now when the series is at its climax, is giving moments to other pairings and missing opportunities for the main pairing just because it will reveal the so called secret, the right thing to do? Okay he gave a moment to SS, that's fine by me. A single interaction won't cover up for the negative development that happened during this whole time and the development of NS itself is so strong that a single SS interaction won't be able to wipe it. So I am sure NS is going to go canon and I believe in it. I have faith in our ship. Always had, always will!

Now my problem is throwing away moments just to troll the fandoms that too when the series is at its climax! He has toyed with fandoms at times and that is completely alright for the motto he has, that is to open the pairings in the end. But toying again when the series is at its climax is what annoys me. That eye contact was completely unnecessary. Making Sasuke hold Sakura when she was about to fall was the right thing to do, if he is going the resolution way. The 'eye contact' after that was what I feel is totally unnecessary. Would that make any difference to the plot if he is planning for a resolution to Sakura's feelings? No, right? This suggests that it was done just to toy the fandoms. If this was some chapters ago, it would be fine....but it is not funny when the series is gaining its closure. That's what I wanted to say. I don't know if I have still made it clear as to what I feel but to conclude it. I am not bothered by the SS moment but the purpose of it which is to toy with the fandoms.

[六道仙人]

no one can be better than Minato and Tobirama at ST techniques' challenge

[ramenanmitsu]

Naruto stopped being a silver medal a long time ago how many times does Sakura needs to chose him over Sasuke for this to be convincing ? How many times does it needed to be stated that almost all she does is for him ? 
 
Lets make something clear Sasuke being good or bad doesn't make a difference bc Sasuke will stab them again  all she needs is to  realizes that she doesn't love him anymore like that but as a friend like I said all she needs is her figuring this out  otherwise what you are implying is NS will happen in the very end when Sakura will realize everything in an instant do you consider this good ?
 
I have no problem with Sasuke acknowledging her for her to realize that she doesn't love him romantically anymore but I do have a problem with how it is done  and with Kishi giving SS a moment which can be considered romantic by giving that eye focus kitten panel he basically gives that impression and this lowers NS credibility and it also doesn't help that with basically the same set up NS had in 672 he skipped the whole moment where NS could have a mutual interaction and for Naruto to actually witness Sakura's feelings for him but he gives that to SS . Also How is Naruto supposed to believe Sakura if he misses all those moments 
 
It comes as SS have mutual interactions and NS's are all skipped for the purpose of hiding Sakura's feelings and Naruto not witnessing it when in this time this is exactly what is needed this lowers NS credibility and ruins its image  I don't know if I can be much more clear then this .

You are right. Sakura did choose Naruto several times and there are no doubts that she views Naruto as more important. However the point of the matter is.....it was an inevitable decision because Sasuke became a criminal. Just imagine Ino. The recent chapters made it clear that she is still in love with Sasuke. HOWEVER, if Sasuke and Shikamaru were to fight, she would choose Shikamaru regardless of her romantic interests because that is the right thing to do and they share a stronger bond. It in no way proves that Ino is in love with Shikamaru than Sasuke.

So for this to happen, Sakura needs to see Sasuke in the same light as Naruto. Her friend and an important comrade. Naruto and Sasuke needs to be on the same stage for her to make a decision that yes, she is in love with Naruto, regardless of Sasuke being right next to her.

I agree that It will be frustrating if NS will happen in the end. God, I will hate that because I'm not shipping a pairing to say that I won a pairing battle. And so that is WHY, redragon and I are HOPING for Sasuke and Sakura to have more positive interactions in the few chapters. The sooner that happens, the sooner we will get our NS.

SasuKe backstabbing Naruto isn't known yet. That's your assumption. For all we know, Naruto and Sasuke might fight fair and square for the Hokage title.

So you're worried the impression Kishi gives to the fanbase? Then you should also worry the impression Kishi will give to the fanbase when NS happens without the resolution I said earlier.

[rocci]

no one can be better than Minato and Tobirama at ST techniques' challenge

I agree :)

@ramen
Sasuke is not in full power, since he only awaken one rinnegan.
There would be more to come.

[ns.Believe.It]

I have no problem with Sasuke acknowledging her for her to realize that she doesn't love him romantically anymore but I do have a problem with how it is done  and with Kishi giving SS a moment which can be considered romantic by giving that eye focus kitten panel he basically gives that impression and this lowers NS credibility and it also doesn't help that with basically the same set up NS had in 672 he skipped the whole moment where NS could have a mutual interaction and for Naruto to actually witness Sakura's feelings for him but he gives that to SS . Also How is Naruto supposed to believe Sakura if he misses all those moments 

 

It comes as SS have mutual interactions and NS's are all skipped for the purpose of hiding Sakura's feelings and Naruto not witnessing it when in this time this is exactly what is needed this lowers NS credibility and ruins its image  I don't know if I can be much more clear then this .

 

 

Now my problem is throwing away moments just to troll the fandoms that too when the series is at its climax! He has toyed with fandoms at times and that is completely alright for the motto he has, that is to open the pairings in the end. But toying again when the series is at its climax is what annoys me. That eye contact was completely unnecessary. Making Sasuke hold Sakura when she was about to fall was the right thing to do, if he is going the resolution way. The 'eye contact' after that was what I feel is totally unnecessary. Would that make any difference to the plot if he is planning for a resolution to Sakura's feelings? No, right? This suggests that it was done just to toy the fandoms. If this was some chapters ago, it would be fine....but it is not funny when the series is gaining its closure. That's what I wanted to say. I don't know if I have still made it clear as to what I feel but to conclude it. I am not bothered by the SS moment but the purpose of it which is to toy with the fandoms.

Why is the eye panel so bothering? Sakura thought she failed but Sasuke made it. She was about to collapse and he caught her and they exchanged a glance. There wasn't anything romantic in either of their eyes. Don't you think its better to wait for next chapter and see what the follow up will be before declaring it as some big moment?

[Awes9]

Naruto stopped being a silver medal a long time ago how many times does Sakura needs to chose him over Sasuke for this ti be convincing ? How many times does it needed to be stated that almost all she does is for him ? 
 
Lets make something clear Sasuke being good or bad doesn't make a difference bc Sasuke will stab them again  all she needs is to  realizes that she doesn't love him anymore like that but as afriend like I said all she needs is her figuring this out  otherwise what you are implying is NS will happen in the very end when Sakura will realize everything in an instant do you consider this good ?
 
I have no problem with Sasuke acknowledging her for her to realize that she doesn't love him romantically anymore but I do have a problem with how it is done  and with Kishi giving SS a moment which can be considered romantic by giving that eye focus kitten panel he basically gives that impression and this lowers NS credibility and it also doesn't help that with basically the same set up NS had in 672 he skipped the whole moment where NS could have a mutual interaction and for Naruto to actually witness Sakura's feelings for him but he gives that to SS . Also How is Naruto supposed to believe Sakura if he misses all those moments 
 
It comes as SS have mutual interactions and NS's are all skipped for the purpose of hiding Sakura's feelings and Naruto not witnessing it when in this time this is exactly what is needed this lowers NS credibility and ruins its image  I don't know if I can be much more clear then this .

She chooses Naruto over Sasuke when Sasuke is a bastard, it will have more impact when she chooses Naruto while Sasuke is a good guy and frienly with her. I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill and overdramatizing things, of course if you're ignoring context and the history between the 2 characters the eye contact can be seen as romantic but it's nothing more than aknowledgement and is directly related to what happened during the last chapters.
Besides the manga isn't over and you will get your NS moments, you're just caught in the moment like after every chapter when pairing fans overexagerates every moment between 2 characters but will soon forget about it especially if there's a NS moment in the next chapters.
Now if you want to complain about it and think it damages NS then that's your prerogative, I personally enjoy these latest developments and think it's the best thing for NS and Sakura in the long run.

[TouKen4Life3g]

No not the SS fanbase. Okay I'll try to explain my position as best as I can. When 615 happened things were still in its developmental stages and giving them a moment then was still okay. But now when the series is at its climax, is giving moments to other pairings and missing opportunities for the main pairing just because it will reveal the so called secret, the right thing to do? Okay he gave a moment to SS, that's fine by me. A single interaction won't cover up for the negative development that happened during this whole time and the development of NS itself is so strong that a single SS interaction won't be able to wipe it. So I am sure NS is going to go canon and I believe in it. I have faith in our ship. Always had, always will!

Now my problem is throwing away moments just to troll the fandoms that too when the series is at its climax! He has toyed with fandoms at times and that is completely alright for the motto he has, that is to open the pairings in the end. But toying again when the series is at its climax is what annoys me. That eye contact was completely unnecessary. Making Sasuke hold Sakura when she was about to fall was the right thing to do, if he is going the resolution way. The 'eye contact' after that was what I feel is totally unnecessary. Would that make any difference to the plot if he is planning for a resolution to Sakura's feelings? No, right? This suggests that it was done just to toy the fandoms. If this was some chapters ago, it would be fine....but it is not funny when the series is gaining its closure. That's what I wanted to say. I don't know if I have still made it clear as to what I feel but to conclude it. I am not bothered by the SS moment but the purpose of it which is to toy with the fandoms.

I get it.

But ask yourself, is this the second last volume? Or the third last volume? Why can't Sakura get her part of characters done when this could be the last time Team 7 is reunited, regardless of its circumstance? Everything needs to be done before the next stage because the next stage will go smoothly and not needed to ask for development. If you go back to 615 and its volume, it needed to be done because after that, they won't come together to get their developments until the very end, which is why they're in dreamworld. Everything else now is taken care of. Sakura should get some of it out of the way now before her chance is gone and most likely come back at the very end under Team 7. Let's face it, once they get rid of Kaguya, Sasuke will go to his plan and everything won't be the same. That's why I keep saying the idea of his plan not revealed is not good for SS or even Team 7 because this is made to be the backstab moment from him. Everything points to bad news.

So why not get rid of Sakura's part before it lose its chance? The secret behind my LAP is that SS has near impossible chance to make it work, especially if this happens in the beginning of this new part with Kaguya. I thought it can be dealt with in the end of this or the center of Sasuke's conquest part. His plan is not made to change because it's never revealed. It's made to cause an outburst to the audience and Team 7. The best we can do is wait on how the follow-up goes. If there's one that is.

[Awes9]

You are right. Sakura did choose Naruto several times and there are no doubts that she views Naruto as more important. However the point of the matter is.....it was an inevitable decision because Sasuke became a criminal. Just imagine Ino. The recent chapters made it clear that she is still in love with Sasuke. HOWEVER, if Sasuke and Shikamaru were to fight, she would choose Shikamaru regardless of her romantic interests because that is the right thing to do and they share a stronger bond. It in no way proves that Ino is in love with Shikamaru than Sasuke.
So for this to happen, Sakura needs to see Sasuke in the same light as Naruto. Her friend and an important comrade. Naruto and Sasuke needs to be on the same stage for her to make a decision that yes, she is in love with Naruto, regardless of Sasuke being right next to her.
I agree that It will be frustrating if NS will happen in the end. God, I will hate that because I'm not shipping a pairing to say that I won a pairing battle. And so that is WHY, redragon and I are HOPING for Sasuke and Sakura to have more positive interactions in the few chapters. The sooner that happens, the sooner we will get our NS.
SasuKe backstabbing Naruto isn't known yet. That's your assumption. For all we know, Naruto and Sasuke might fight fair and square for the Hokage title.
So you're worried the impression Kishi gives to the fanbase? Then you should also worry the impression Kishi will give to the fanbase when NS happens without the resolution I said earlier.

you're expressing my toughts perfectly ramen and I agree if NS happens at the end without any further development it would be disappointing but I think there's more to come so I shall wait patiently and judge when it will happen.
I still think tough Naruto and Sasuke will be opposed ideologically and they will fight to the death for the hokage title and their vision of the world, it has been foreshadowed way too much. I just wonder what the setup will be.

[narusaku256]

I get it.

But ask yourself, is this the second last volume? Or the third last volume? Why can't Sakura get her part of characters done when this could be the last time Team 7 is reunited, regardless of its circumstance? Everything needs to be done before the next stage because the next stage will go smoothly and not needed to ask for development. If you go back to 615 and its volume, it needed to be done because after that, they won't come together to get their developments until the very end, which is why they're in dreamworld. Everything else now is taken care of. Sakura should get some of it out of the way now before her chance is gone and most likely come back at the very end under Team 7. Let's face it, once they get rid of Kaguya, Sasuke will go to his plan and everything won't be the same. That's why I keep saying the idea of his plan not revealed is not good for SS or even Team 7 because this is made to be the backstab moment from him. Everything points to bad news.

So why not get rid of Sakura's part before it lose its chance? The secret behind my LAP is that SS has near impossible chance to make it work, especially if this happens in the beginning of this new part with Kaguya. I thought it can be dealt with in the end of this or the center of Sasuke's conquest part. His plan is not made to change because it's never revealed. It's made to cause an outburst to the audience and Team 7. The best we can do is wait on how the follow-up goes. If there's one that is.

Finally!

Okay, the points you've put up, you do have a point there. This is maybe the last time team 7 will interact as a whole so its better to get done with the Sakura's feelings part because maybe doing it later would be difficult because once Kaguya is dealt with Sasuke is gonna back stab and then Sakura won't have a chance to get resolution. That's what you meant to say, right? If this is the last SS moment as you say, like the previous NH moment because its all they are going to get, I will try to digest this whole 'trolling' stuff.

Okay, so I have a problem with the way it is executed. But since I am not the author, I can do nothing except complain. And its better I think about the possible outcomes with you guys rather than complaining about things, which as it is are not going to change.

[ns.Believe.It]

Okay, so I have a problem with the way it is executed. But since I am not the author, I can do nothing except complain. And its better I think about the possible outcomes with you guys rather than complaining about things, which as it is are not going to change.

Exactly, lets just look forward to the next chapter 

[FireFox]

You are right. Sakura did choose Naruto several times and there are no doubts that she views Naruto as more important. However the point of the matter is.....it was an inevitable decision because Sasuke became a criminal. Just imagine Ino. The recent chapters made it clear that she is still in love with Sasuke. HOWEVER, if Sasuke and Shikamaru were to fight, she would choose Shikamaru regardless of her romantic interests because that is the right thing to do and they share a stronger bond. It in no way proves that Ino is in love with Shikamaru than Sasuke.

So for this to happen, Sakura needs to see Sasuke in the same light as Naruto. Her friend and an important comrade. Naruto and Sasuke needs to be on the same stage for her to make a decision that yes, she is in love with Naruto, regardless of Sasuke being right next to her.

I agree that It will be frustrating if NS will happen in the end. God, I will hate that because I'm not shipping a pairing to say that I won a pairing battle. And so that is WHY, redragon and I are HOPING for Sasuke and Sakura to have more positive interactions in the few chapters. The sooner that happens, the sooner we will get our NS.

SasuKe backstabbing Naruto isn't known yet. That's your assumption. For all we know, Naruto and Sasuke might fight fair and square for the Hokage title.

So you're worried the impression Kishi gives to the fanbase? Then you should also worry the impression Kishi will give to the fanbase when NS happens without the resolution I said earlier.

Sakura will never see Sasuke in the same light as Naruto to me this whole chosing thing comes as her chosing a prize instead chose bs she loves him  she doesn't need to put them on a scale for her to figure who she really loves . And I understand what you are saying but why more moments then this one when he acknowledges her are needed for her to figure it out that she doesn't love him anymore romantically but as a friend ? Kishi has been dragging this kitten way to much by now it should have been done .

 

I think its pretty much clear that he will we have enough evidence of this like him cutting him in half  its the same assumption you guys are doing when you say T7 will be back again as a team  when it could go a different path with Sasuke just accepting them .

 

No I don't give a kitten about the fanbase I'm worried about the image of NS the paring , giving actual momentum to other with that eye kitten while skipping NS interactions with the same set up ain't good in my book . For how long NS moments are skipped but given to NH SS mutual moments romantic or not just for NS not to be revealed ? I don't consider this good NS as a main paring should have more mutual moments not always skipped them and giving hints in the end the moments are what counts the most not the parallels or the subtle hints those things pale in comparison to the actual moments .

 

But like I said I will wait for the next chapter to see where this is going I hope he resolve Sakura's feelings then and stop with this BS once and for all .

[TouKen4Life3g]

Finally!

Okay, the points you've put up, you do have a point there. This is maybe the last time team 7 will interact as a whole so its better to get done with the Sakura's feelings part because maybe doing it later would be difficult because once Kaguya is dealt with Sasuke is gonna back stab and then Sakura won't have a chance to get resolution. That's what you meant to say, right? If this is the last SS moment as you say, like the previous NH moment because its all they are going to get, I will try to digest this whole 'trolling' stuff.

Okay, so I have a problem with the way it is executed. But since I am not the author, I can do nothing except complain. And its better I think about the possible outcomes with you guys rather than complaining about things, which as it is are not going to change.

Yes, that's what I'm trying to say. Going back to the past with 615, it was really the last one, let alone a mutual moment. The rest like in dreamworld if they get a resolution, they are their own. They don't need the other person to say, "Hey, do you love me? No? Ok, I have developed." Honestly speaking, there's no more to it, so now, everything is on their own. What hasn't been dealt with is Team 7 as a team. We are going over it and this volume is coming to an end. We need to solve one thing before we enter the final stage. That's why now it's a good time unless we are mistaken completely. There's a good chance that there's a follow-up or this never made any more than "You did good. Catch you because I was treated as a twist that you guys didn't fail. Shut up, Naruto. Going now." That's why I'm waiting for the next chapter. I didn't explode on 615, though the setup was much more stronger than this chapter bar none, so I did grow fear as time goes by. Nevertheless, the follow-up will tell me what to truly think the overall moment, rather than 615 told me the unity of Naruto and his friends.

[sushi.]

Why is the eye panel so bothering? Sakura thought she failed but Sasuke made it. She was about to collapse and he caught her and they exchanged a glance. There wasn't anything romantic in either of their eyes. Don't you think its better to wait for next chapter and see what the follow up will be before declaring it as some big moment?

It wasn't romantic, but a SS moment nonetheless. We shouldn't try to downplay it like that. A couple is built on more than just romantic moments, and this one gave SS a boost. It's like when the CPR moment came, and some anti-shippers screamed "it wasn't romantic!". We shouldn't do the same now. If Naruto had caught her instead, I would be super-happy. So I'm happy for SS shippers.

Edited by sushi., 18 July 2014 - 10:47 PM.

[ns.Believe.It]

No I don't give a kitten about the fanbase I'm worried about the image of NS the paring , giving actual momentum to other with that eye kitten while skipping NS interactions with the same set up ain't good in my book . For how long NS moments are skipped but given to NH SS mutual moments romantic or not just for NS not to be revealed ? I don't consider this good NS as a main paring should have more mutual moments not always skipped them and giving hints in the end the moments are what counts the most not the parallels or the subtle hints those things pale in comparison to the actual moments .

 

I gotta ask which are these so called mutual moments for NH and SS? Do they really trump moments like the hug and feeding scenes NS has been given? No pairing has been given a solid mutual romantic moment yet.

[Mistraal]

Don't worry girls, if you just exhaust yourself to the point of death and risk your life the guy you want will notice you too.

SMH. FU Kishi.

Somthing I am noticing though, he is drawing Sakura prettier and prettier. o_O

Edited by Mistraal, 17 July 2014 - 02:28 PM.

[ns.Believe.It]

It wasn't romantic, but a SS moment nonetheless. We shouldn't try to downplay it like that. A couple is built on more than just romantic moments, and this one gave SS a boost. It's like when the CPR moment came, and some anti-shippers screamed "it wasn't romantic!". We shouldn't do the same now. If Naruto had catched her, I would be super-happy. So I'm happy for SS shippers.

I downplayed the assumption that it was a romantic moment and you seem to agree with me. I agree about your next sentences, however the last few chapters negative moments between them should not be forgotten. As far as the boost this gives for SS, only after the follow up to this can anything be said.

Edited by ns.Believe.It, 17 July 2014 - 02:33 PM.