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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@Darkrerst

Its not that she moved on from him, its the fact that at that point she still prefers Sasuke (the man who treated her like crap, the man who she hasn't seen for years and who tried to kill her 3 times without hesitation)

THe moment doesnt show she still prefers Sasuke, the moment shows she still likes him however the part where's sad is pretty much telling where she stands on this, she inst happy with her feelings for him and also shows indications that doesnt want to be with Sasuke despite with those feelings.

That's the effect of 484, she still loved Sasuke right after her confession but the imact of Sasuke's actions and his dark side, if any that's the starting point for her to move on.

also MP's translation inst generalized.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 07:54 PM.

[Gojira]

THe moment doesnt show she still prefers Sasuke, the moment shows she still likes him however the part where's sad is pretty much telling where she stands on this, she inst happy with her feelings for him and also shows indications that doesnt want to be with Sasuke despite with those feelings.

That's the effect of 484, she still loved Sasuke right after her confession but the imact of Sasuke's actions and his dark side, if any that's the starting point for her to move on.

also MP's translation inst generalized.

Again the fact that he was the one she thought of and not the one she confessed to recently it shows that she does prefer him.

It is generalized. MS translation is "he must be a great guy" MP's translation is "If its somebody you love then they're bound to be a great person" hell its so generalized it doesn't even bring gender into question

I get that Sasuke makes her sad, but further begs the question of why he would be the someone else she was referring to if she should be well aware of how much of a psycho he was, she should be well aware of her feelings for him after he tried to kill her.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I get that Sasuke makes her sad, but further begs the question of why he would be the someone else she was referring to if she should be well aware of how much of a psycho he was, she should be well aware of her feelings for him after he tried to kill her.

The summit ended with Sakura still loving Sasuke, i think she was well aware of her feelings during that time, when she's about to kill Sasuke she states she knew she would not be able to kill her and the flashbacks gives the impression or romantic feelings plus the fact that right before she went to kill Sasuke, Karin states that she also loves Sasuke.

[Gojira]

I don't think your following me.

Its not the fact that she still loves him that's the contradiction its the fact that she loves him more than Naruto and it apparently took more than 3 attempts at her life to make her see otherwise.

[Rozette]

So, this may seem like a silly question, but I was just wondering- do you consider Kizashi and Mebuki to be canon?

 

Quite a few times I've seen people debating what is canon and what is not, especially regarding Road to Ninja. I was wondering what you thought of this considering that they have not been in the manga.

Edited by Rozette, 11 May 2014 - 09:39 PM.

[LadyGT]

They are not present in the manga yet but they are officially Sakura's parents. Kishimoto is the one who introduced them in RTN.

Edited by LadyGT, 11 May 2014 - 09:43 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So, this may seem like a silly question, but I was just wondering- do you consider Kizashi and Mebuki to be canon?

 

Quite a few times I've seen people debating what is canon and what is not, especially regarding Road to Ninja. I was wondering what you thought of this considering that they have not been in the manga.

They were not introduced on the manga despite Kishi drawed them to appear on his spin-off, he said that he never had the opportunity to use them, if he uses then they will show up.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 09:58 PM.

[Gojira]

Me thinks we'll see them in the epilogue.

[Inferno180]

So, this may seem like a silly question, but I was just wondering- do you consider Kizashi and Mebuki to be canon?

 

Quite a few times I've seen people debating what is canon and what is not, especially regarding Road to Ninja. I was wondering what you thought of this considering that they have not been in the manga.

 

They are canon, not because kishi drew them outside the manga, rather they are canon because it was established sakura had parents all the way back since chapter 3, they were just in the background and never really given form or mention until RtN came and Kishi found that as the opportune time to actually make something out of them. They have always existed for lore reasons but not story purposes, kinda like the sage of 6 paths, he was said to be important and was only mentioned or referenced occasionally until after itachi died and his purpose came forward more and more gradually.

[ramenanmitsu]

I don't think your following me.Its not the fact that she still loves him that's the contradiction its the fact that she loves him more than Naruto and it apparently took more than 3 attempts at her life to make her see otherwise.

Where was it shown that the three attempts at her life was what made her change her feelings?
Both Naruto and Sakura thinks of Sasuke as their precious teammate regardless of the murder attempts. Yes, murder attempts are a big deal, however they aren't when considering about the characters's feelings. At this point, we don't know what made Sakura change her mind, and we cannot say that it was the murder attempts that did it.

@Darkerest
The chapter 540 shows that her confession was fake.
That chapter proved two things.
1.) She thinks or she is in love with Sasuke.
2.) She doesn't think he's a great guy.

The guy she thought of when she said somebody else(the guy she is in love with), is Sasuke. So, this shows that the confession, at least about her not caring for Sasuke is false. Because clearly she thinks about him here.

However, I would like to add that the recent chapter brought us a new insight and that is Sakura thinks she's in love with Sasuke, but actually she's not. Until now we had no panels to prove she doesn't love Sasuke anymore, so for arguments sake we had to go with the conclusion that she's still in love with him. But in chapter 675, Kishi used Kakashi as a literally device to show that she doesn't love him anymore. I understand your concerns in regards to how Kakashi reached that conclusion but its pointless to dwell on it because he's only used as a literally device. Not to mention, the only other time Kakashi mentioned about Sakura's feelings for Sasuke was in early part one and there has been a lot of things going around since and we'll never know what exactly made him change his mind.

We can't say for certain if she is in love with Naruto now, but when it comes to he love for Sasuke we can say that it's not romantic anymore.

[Gojira]

Where was it shown that the three attempts at her life was what made her change her feelings?
Both Naruto and Sakura thinks of Sasuke as their precious teammate regardless of the murder attempts. Yes, murder attempts are a big deal, however they aren't when considering about the characters's feelings. At this point, we don't know what made Sakura change her mind, and we cannot say that it was the murder attempts that did it.

No but you see that's precisely what I'm saying. The murder attempts she's ok with but its not after she's reminded that he's not a great guy does she officially decline in feelings for her.

That's why I say 540 is either a misinterpretation or a step back for her character and pretty much renders all the part 2 development moments pointless if after everything the one she still favors is Sasuke

[soraandven]

Obito identity wasnt ambiguous people simply believed it was another person because of age inconsistences, Kishi had to basically redraw databook 1 and put a kid with an age of 5 holding a sword double of his height.

Kishi cheated.

ok...

[luffyq1]

At this point, we don't know what made Sakura change her mind, and we cannot say that it was the murder attempts that did it.

It's pretty obvious what made her change her mind.

 

[Gojira]

It's pretty obvious what made her change her mind.
 

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She wanted that necklace?

[Gravenimage]

Luffy lol.

[sushi.]

Nah I don't think Sasuke's murder attempts made Sakura change her feelings. They rather changed her opinions and thoughts on him.

 

As for what and who changed her feelings, there was no main event or factor in that. Just slow progression and she fell out of love with Sasuke before she realized it.

[Gojira]

Nah I don't think Sasuke's murder attempts made Sakura change her feelings. They rather changed her opinions and thoughts on him.
 
As for what and who changed her feelings, there was no main event or factor in that. Just slow progression and she fell out of love with Sasuke before she realized it.

540 causes a problem with that idea too though since the topic of discussion they were having was about romance.

Edited by Pepsi, 11 May 2014 - 11:52 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

You know, for something people claim was a lie, Naruto didn't think it was. When Sakura confessed, he didn't say anything about her lying. It was only after she mentioned Sasuke that he was suspicious. That last part about how she didn't care about Sasuke? Yeah.

 

If the confession itself was the lie, why didn't Naruto just react negatively to that? Rhetorical question, by the way. I already know about half the answers I am going to get with this one. This is merely food for thought.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 12 May 2014 - 12:10 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You know, for something people claim was a lie, Naruto didn't think it was. When Sakura confessed, he didn't say anything about her lying. It was only after she mentioned Sasuke that he was suspicious. That last part about how she didn't care about Sasuke? Yeah.

 

My opinion is not just the part she didnt cared about Sasuke, the "i love you too", Sakura give the impression she started loving Naruto because of the things he did to her.

It reminds about "love is not about deserving", things that she said that mad her stop loving Sasuke didnt made sense, she said "he only hurt my feelings, he's a nukenin and etc..." but he was already this since the rejected her on part 1, then why now?

 

It was clear as day that she wanst doing that out of love but rather because she wanted to achieve something with that, which was to bring Naruto back.

When she said " You were always at my side, and supported me and etc..." it looked more like she was rather trying to convince herself rather than telling Naruto she loved him.

 

Since Naruto is not the audience he denied her confession because he pointed out the obvious lie on the Sasuke's part, despite his initial claim it was a joke.

But as for "us" the audience, we saw what motivated that, her feelings of guilty, Naruto's suffering, the pressure of her teammates, Sasuke's downfall, those reasons alone tells me that she wasnt doing a confession pure and honest and wanted to do it for her own happiness which is what Naruto cherishs but rather wanting to help Naruto and make him stop chasing Sasuke.

 

Since her confessions had those two objectives and she planned with those in mind, and to make matters worse Kishi shoved the audience with a lot of panels showing Sakura's love for Sasuke, with emphasizement from Naruto, Sai and Karin.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 May 2014 - 12:34 AM.

[Gojira]

the confession was real Kishi confirmed it. Even if you somehow twist his words around simply him saying "on the contrary" as a direct response to her saying she was lying proves it.

Now moving on to the actual problem here that is 540. Like I said either misinterpretation or a step back for Sakura's character and makes the development of NS up to that moment pointless.

Edited by Pepsi, 12 May 2014 - 12:36 AM.