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[T XD]

That's true.

Ok, topic:

But back to topic: do you guys think we will learn the news on Tsunade or at least a hint? Like imagine the new slug tells Sakura that for some reason, Katsuya hasn't return or something.

Of course we'll know some news about Tsunade, but maybe Sakura's slug doesn't know unless her slug knows somehow, supposing that slugs knows the news when it occurs in some way or a slug knows something then all slugs will know it.

[Dkey]

Of course we'll know some news about Tsunade, but maybe Sakura's slug doesn't know unless her slug knows somehow, supposing that slugs knows the news when it occurs in some way or a slug knows something then all slugs will know it.

 

no as NS4life said. Sakura's slug could just inquiry about Katsuya.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
no as NS4life said. Sakura's slug could just inquiry about Katsuya.

Yeah and Naruto will "lie" by saying everything is ok, while he knows that Tsunade and others are in danger in his mind.

[KnS]

I really do think Kishi has turned Hinata into part 1 sakura. I wonder if he will have Hinata do a sakura confession like in part 1 to NARUTO?

 

The fact that RtN!Hinata was so aggressive and territorial about Naruto/Menma suggests that Manga!Hinata will not be that way.  That she will continue to be a passive girl who idolizes Naruto from a distance.

As I said a few pages ago, for the most part Hinata's relationship with Naruto exists inside her head.  The only time she has actually spoken of her feelings was when Naruto was pinned down and she confronted Pain.  However, she approached that dire circumstance with defeated resignation.  She thought the situation was hopeless and that their deaths were imminent, and she wanted to confess her feelings to Naruto before they both died.  

Would she have said anything that bold otherwise?  Most likely not.

Hinata has grown up some since her confession.  She confronted Pain with no plan, no backup, and no hope because she intended to die WITH Naruto.  In her despair and sense of hopelessness, she believed her life was her own to throw away, and admitted she "felt like being selfish."  

By contrast, in #614 she was part of a plan, had backup, and was hopeful she could truly help protect Naruto.  She had a willingness to die FOR him, a fact that Neji makes very clear.  And in Naruto's despair and sense of hopelessness, she told him his life was not his own.  That he couldn't be "selfish" and give up or be too focused on himself, his guilt, whatever.

Likewise, during her speech in #615 Hinata didn't say anything about her private feelings.  She didn't say, "Neji was right... I am willing to die for you, Naruto, because I love you -- remember?"  No.  It was all about being Naruto's comrade.  It was about making him realize the impression he has made on everyone, how he led by example, and that because of all that he couldn't falter.

So really, in terms of coming full circle on her development, #614-616 tied together more for Hinata than just her wish in #573, to be at Naruto's side and hold his hand.  It went all the way back to her confession.

Hinata has aspired to be like Naruto -- to model his strength and determination -- and she loves him to whatever extent she actually knows him, which we all know is not very well.  She knows next to nothing about his most meaningful relationships -- with Iruka, Jiraiya, Kakashi, his parents, Sakura, or his struggle with Sasuke.  She idolizes him from a distance.

Holding Naruto's hand was set up as the pinnacle of Hinata's romantic hopes -- she didn't hope to kiss him or be his girlfriend, just hold his hand -- and Kishimoto found a way to fulfill her wish that was platonic from Naruto's side. 

 

In #633 she thought of Naruto's hand again -- because it made her feel safe and empowered -- and used it as a means to motivate herself.  The fact that she needs to think of Naruto's hand to feel safe and empowered makes it pretty obvious that she is still, at her core, shy and passive.  Even more so when you consider that she stuttered Kiba's name in #632. 

So I don't see any reason to fear that Hinata is going to make some kind of sudden, assertive play for Naruto.  And like I said, I think Kishimoto will have Hinata self-friendzone before he'll make Naruto do it. 

Edited by KnS, 09 June 2013 - 08:30 PM.

[T XD]

 

no as NS4life said. Sakura's slug could just inquiry about Katsuya.

But why would Sakura's slug ask about Katsuya ? I think I'm missing something here.

Edited by T XD, 09 June 2013 - 08:13 PM.

[Dkey]

But why would Sakura's slug ask about Katsuya ? I think I'm missing something here.

 

Don't know why exactly. It's just a possibility.

[Atheck]

 

The fact that RtN!Hinata was so aggressive and territorial about Naruto/Menma suggests that Manga!Hinata will not be that way.  That she will continue to be a passive girl who idolizes Naruto from a distance.

As I said a few pages ago, for the most part Hinata's relationship with Naruto exists inside her head.  The only time she has actually spoken of her feelings was when Naruto was pinned down and she confronted Pain.  However, she approached that dire circumstance with defeated resignation.  She thought the situation was hopeless and that their deaths were imminent, and she wanted to confess her feelings to Naruto before they both died.  

Would she have said anything that bold otherwise?  Most likely not.

Hinata has grown up some since her confession.  She confronted Pain with no plan, no backup, and no hope because she intended to die WITH Naruto.  In her despair and sense of hopelessness, she believed her life was her own to throw away, and admitted she "felt like being selfish."  

By contrast, in #614 she was part of a plan, had backup, and was hopeful she could truly help protect Naruto.  She had a willingness to die FOR him, a fact that Neji makes very clear.  And in Naruto's despair and sense of hopelessness, she told him his life was not his own.  That he couldn't be "selfish" and give up or be too focused on himself, his guilt, whatever.

Likewise, during her speech in #615 Hinata didn't say anything about her private feelings.  She didn't say, "Neji was right... I am willing to die for you, Naruto, because I love you -- remember?"  No.  It was all about being Naruto's comrade.  It was about making him realize the impression he has made on everyone, how he led by example, and that because of all that he couldn't falter.

So really, in terms of coming full circle on her development, #614-616 tied together more for Hinata than just her wish in #573, to be at Naruto's side and hold his hand.  It went all the way back to her confession.

Hinata has aspired to be like Naruto -- to model his strength and determination -- and she loves him to whatever extent she actually knows him, which we all know is not very well.  She knows next to nothing about his most meaningful relationships -- with Iruka, Jiraiya, Kakashi, his parents, Sakura, or his struggle with Sasuke.  She idolizes him from a distance.

Holding Naruto's hand was set up as the pinnacle of Hinata's romantic hopes -- she didn't hope to kiss him or be his girlfriend, just hold his hand -- and Kishimoto found a way to fulfill her wish in a way that was platonic from Naruto's side. 

 

In #633 she thought of Naruto's hand again -- because it made her feel safe and empowered -- and used it as a means to motivate herself.  The fact that she needs to think of Naruto's hand to feel safe and empowered makes it pretty obvious that she is still, at her core, shy and passive.  Even more so when you consider that she stuttered Kiba's name in #632. 

So I don't see any reason to fear that Hinata is going to make some kind of sudden, assertive play for Naruto.  And like I said, I think Kishimoto will have Hinata self-friendzone before he'll make Naruto do it. 

 

Honestly, I feel compelled to see this post used in pairing debates on other forums if anyone or myself were active in those sorts of discussions (not that we would actually use it without prior consent given). It was very, very impressive. It addresses many of the core details related to Hinata's feelings for Naruto and the situations that she has been placed in that enabled her to confront him about her sentiments. I can't really offer much more to this responce though so I will just restate how amazing your post was.

Edited by Atheck, 09 June 2013 - 08:38 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
The fact that RtN!Hinata was so aggressive and territorial about Naruto/Menma suggests that Manga!Hinata will not be that way.  That she will continue to be a passive girl who idolizes Naruto from a distance.

As I said a few pages ago, for the most part Hinata's relationship with Naruto exists inside her head.  The only time she has actually spoken of her feelings was when Naruto was pinned down and she confronted Pain.  However, she approached that dire circumstance with defeated resignation.  She thought the situation was hopeless and that their deaths were imminent, and she wanted to confess her feelings to Naruto before they both died.  

Would she have said anything that bold otherwise?  Most likely not.

Hinata has grown up some since her confession.  She confronted Pain with no plan, no backup, and no hope because she intended to die WITH Naruto.  In her despair and sense of hopelessness, she believed her life was her own to throw away, and admitted she "felt like being selfish."  

By contrast, in #614 she was part of a plan, had backup, and was hopeful she could truly help protect Naruto.  She had a willingness to die FOR him, a fact that Neji makes very clear.  And in Naruto's despair and sense of hopelessness, she told him his life was not his own.  That he couldn't be "selfish" and give up or be too focused on himself, his guilt, whatever.

Likewise, during her speech in #615 Hinata didn't say anything about her private feelings.  She didn't say, "Neji was right... I am willing to die for you, Naruto, because I love you -- remember?"  No.  It was all about being Naruto's comrade.  It was about making him realize the impression he has made on everyone, how he led by example, and that because of all that he couldn't falter.

So really, in terms of coming full circle on her development, #614-616 tied together more for Hinata than just her wish in #573, to be at Naruto's side and hold his hand.  It went all the way back to her confession.

Hinata has aspired to be like Naruto -- to model his strength and determination -- and she loves him to whatever extent she actually knows him, which we all know is not very well.  She knows next to nothing about his most meaningful relationships -- with Iruka, Jiraiya, Kakashi, his parents, Sakura, or his struggle with Sasuke.  She idolizes him from a distance.

Holding Naruto's hand was set up as the pinnacle of Hinata's romantic hopes -- she didn't hope to kiss him or be his girlfriend, just hold his hand -- and Kishimoto found a way to fulfill her wish that was platonic from Naruto's side. 
 
In #633 she thought of Naruto's hand again -- because it made her feel safe and empowered -- and used it as a means to motivate herself.  The fact that she needs to think of Naruto's hand to feel safe and empowered makes it pretty obvious that she is still, at her core, shy and passive.  Even more so when you consider that she stuttered Kiba's name in #632. 

So I don't see any reason to fear that Hinata is going to make some kind of sudden, assertive play for Naruto.  And like I said, I think Kishimoto will have Hinata self-friendzone before he'll make Naruto do it. 

Nicely said. Altogether, I think she got what she needed and don't need to push a desire to be loved by Naruto in a romantic way. All she wanted is the acknowledgement and she got it from her idol. It's like meeting your role model and you want to prove your point. When your model tells you not only you're good but you're in my level, that's inspiring. I guess that's why the critic didn't see it as a real romantic situation, rather a girl who loves him but only ask for little in return. That's why I didn't see that much of a problem with this chapter, at least in my opinion. It's not about love, it's about knowing that you are strong and can't stop there.

[K9ofChaos]

 

The problem with that is that Wood Release is a Kekkei Genkai of ether the Senju Clan (or what ever clan Hashirama mother was from) and it was stated by Kishi himself that Sakura has no special background.

 

It's more of a Hashirama Senju exclusive ability than a Senju exclusive ability. Unless it's revealed very soon that Hashi did inherit his Wood Style from one or both of his parents as a matter of fact, I doubt that that's the case here. It seems to me that Hashi was the only one in his clan to posses Wood Release Techniques so I doubt that it's exclusive to only the Senju clan. But you may ask why then would Madara go for Hashi's DNA if other people have the potential to posses it? Here's my explanation: 

 

1. Hashi being a Senju is a decedent of the Six Path Sage's younger son, so Madara obviously went for the one with the DNA that was necessary for him to unlock the ability to use the Rinnegan. 

 

2. If his Wood Release was a factor, as far as he was concerned, Hashi was the only Wood Release user that Madara knew of at the time.

 

3. If someone like say, Sakura (hypothetically speaking of course), could use Wood Release, a possible explanation for why Danzo, Orochimaru, or anyone else interested in getting Wood Release via artificial means would be because of this. Since Hashi comes from a clan who are basically the descendants of the second born son of the Sage of the Six Paths, then Hashi's Wood Release might be a more special case. If you factor in Hashi's background and the vitality of his Wood Release, one could conclude that Hashi's Wood Release has a level of vitality on par with the Sage's Younger Son due to the Son inheriting the "body" of the Sage, thus setting it apart from other potential Wood Release users should Kishi decide to reveal characters not related to Hashi having that same ability. 

 

4. Another reason I feel that Sakura having Wood Release without having to have a Senju background could be potentially possible would be because of these two points of interest: Magnet Release and Lava Release. The users of Magnet Release are Toroi, the Third Kazekage and Gaara's Father (AKA the Fourth Kazekage). For Lava Release, the users of this advanced nature are Dodai, Kurotsuchi, Roshi (via his Tailed Beast named Son Goku) and Mei Terumi (AKA the Fifth Mizukage). The users of Magnet Release come from either the Sand Village or Cloud Village while the users of Lava Release come from either the Cloud Village, the Rock Village or the Mist Village. The one thing that all these characters have in common is that none of them appear to be related by blood in any sense. This leaves me to believe that while any Advanced Nature is still a Kekkei Genkai by default, it isn't one in the traditional sense that only members of a certain clan can perform this certain technique. Rather, an Advanced Nature can be found in multiple clans and non-clans alike throughout many unrelated lineages alike. It's possible that advanced nature genetics are more widespread in the gene pool of the Narutoverse then the genetics of more tight-nit clans such as the Hyuga Clan or Uchiha Clan, unless a certain clan actually goes out of it's way to keep it's advanced nature within the gene pool of the clan itself, as it seems to be the case with the Yuki Clan.  

 

5. Another thing to note is that the Magnet Release users had differing methods of channeling their powers (Toroi with his custom shuriken, the Third Kazekage with his Iron Sand and Gaara's Father with his Gold Dust) as well as the Lava Release users differing forms of lava (Mei and Roshi's molten rock variety, Kurotsuchi's quicklime variety and Dodai's vulcanized rubber variety). If these differences in appearance despite being the same element are to indicate anything, then this is how I see it. If Sakura where to reveal the ability to perform Wood Release without having the need for Senju DNA, then maybe instead of just growing trees with green leaves on them, perhaps her variety of Wood Release would have her specialize in techniques that involve growing Cherry Blossom Trees so that it would fit in with her theme of Cherry Blossoms.

 

Welp, that took forever to type, but it was worth it.      

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

It's more of a Hashirama Senju exclusive ability than a Senju exclusive ability. Unless it's revealed very soon that Hashi did inherit his Wood Style from one or both of his parents as a matter of fact, I doubt that that's the case here. It seems to me that Hashi was the only one in his clan to posses Wood Release Techniques so I doubt that it's exclusive to only the Senju clan. But you may ask why then would Madara go for Hashi's DNA if other people have the potential to posses it? Here's my explanation: 

 

1. Hashi being a Senju is a decedent of the Six Path Sage's younger son, so Madara obviously went for the one with the DNA that was necessary for him to unlock the ability to use the Rinnegan. 

 

2. If his Wood Release was a factor, as far as he was concerned, Hashi was the only Wood Release user that Madara knew of at the time.

 

3. If someone like say, Sakura (hypothetically speaking of course), could use Wood Release, a possible explanation for why Danzo, Orochimaru, or anyone else interested in getting Wood Release via artificial means would be because of this. Since Hashi comes from a clan who are basically the descendants of the second born son of the Sage of the Six Paths, then Hashi's Wood Release might be a more special case. If you factor in Hashi's background and the vitality of his Wood Release, one could conclude that Hashi's Wood Release has a level of vitality on par with the Sage's Younger Son due to the Son inheriting the "body" of the Sage, thus setting it apart from other potential Wood Release users should Kishi decide to reveal characters not related to Hashi having that same ability. 

 

4. Another reason I feel that Sakura having Wood Release without having to have a Senju background could be potentially possible would be because of these two points of interest: Magnet Release and Lava Release. The users of Magnet Release are Toroi, the Third Kazekage and Gaara's Father (AKA the Fourth Kazekage). For Lava Release, the users of this advanced nature are Dodai, Kurotsuchi, Roshi (via his Tailed Beast named Son Goku) and Mei Terumi (AKA the Fifth Mizukage). The users of Magnet Release come from either the Sand Village or Cloud Village while the users of Lava Release come from either the Cloud Village, the Rock Village or the Mist Village. The one thing that all these characters have in common is that none of them appear to be related by blood in any sense. This leaves me to believe that while any Advanced Nature is still a Kekkei Genkai by default, it isn't one in the traditional sense that only members of a certain clan can perform this certain technique. Rather, an Advanced Nature can be found in multiple clans and non-clans alike throughout many unrelated lineages alike. It's possible that advanced nature genetics are more widespread in the gene pool of the Narutoverse then the genetics of more tight-nit clans such as the Hyuga Clan or Uchiha Clan, unless a certain clan actually goes out of it's way to keep it's advanced nature within the gene pool of the clan itself, as it seems to be the case with the Yuki Clan.  

 

5. Another thing to note is that the Magnet Release users had differing methods t of channeling their powers (Toroi with his custom shuriken, the Third Kazekage with his Iron Sand and Gaara's Father with his Gold Dust) as well as the Lava Release users differing forms of lava (Mei and Roshi's molten rock variety, Kurotsuchi's quicklime variety and Dodai's vulcanized rubber variety). If these differences in appearance despite being the same element are to indicate anything, then this is how I see it. If Sakura where to reveal the ability to perform Wood Release without having the need for Senju DNA, then maybe instead of just growing trees with green leaves on them, perhaps her variety of Wood Release would have her specialize in techniques that involve growing Cherry Blossom Trees so that it would fit in with her theme of Cherry Blossoms.

 

Welp, that took forever to type, but it was worth it.      

Yeah i think there is some inconsistences from Kishi's part, because even his brother could not use it.
Not even his father is shown using that or his elder brother who had died.
I prefer to believe that Hashirama was an alien, or some kid that was found and raised like a legitimate son.

Not even his own kids were capable of using that.

Yeah pretty crazy if you ask me.

 

Or i think Kishi's draw himself into a corner there and it's not going to explain kitten.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 June 2013 - 09:12 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah i think there is some inconsistences from Kishi's part, because even his brother could not use it.
Not even his father is shown using that or his elder brother who had died.
I prefer to believe that Hashirama was an alien, or some kid that was found and raised like a legitimate son.

Or he could be like Goku since Raditz seem to get crapped on, so in this case, Hashirama is the Goku of the family.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 09 June 2013 - 09:12 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Or he could be like Goku since Raditz seem to get crapped on, so in this case, Hashirama is the Goku of the family.

Still Raditz and Goku had same powers but It's like Goku is a sayajin and Raditz isnt and Goku's kids cant be super sayajin for whatever reason, and Gohan and Goten cant become super sayajins despite being a sayajin.
Yes pretty crazy and i think he's not going to explain.

[K9ofChaos]

I guess that's why the critic didn't see it as a real romantic situation, rather a girl who loves him but only ask for little in return. 

 

You mean that critic analyzing the Naruto series and the main character's relationships? That's a thing he said? Where can I find a translation of this book? 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Still Raditz and Goku had same powers but It's like Goku is a sayajin and Raditz isnt and Goku's kids cant be super sayajin for whatever reason, and Gohan and Goten cant become super sayajins despite being a sayajin.
Yes pretty crazy and i think he's not going to explain.

Point is Goku seems so different from Raditz. Heck, I feel like Raditz was never his brother to begin with. I mean man, for a brother twist and all, it sure was underwhelming. Then again, I guess I shouldn't expect a small drama in DBZ world. Anyway, yeah, I won't be surprised Hashirama won't be explained.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
You mean that critic analyzing the Naruto series and the main character's relationships? That's a thing he said? Where can I find a translation of this book? 

The series in general. Um, I didn't save it but you can ask Rikuto about it. NH was classified as enlightenment, not love like NS/SS.

[Strangelove]

Weirder stuff has happened.

 

Who is to say that Oro took Suigetsu or whatever that water imp name is to get Jiraiya DNA so he can use his zombie jutsu on him, as well as heal Tsunade from her wounds...so we might have a full blown Sennin smack down on the Jubi...It will still be useless once it reaches its final form though. Which might be 2 or 3 chapters away.

Edited by Strangelove, 09 June 2013 - 09:58 PM.

[Killer Bee's Album]

So, is it officially NaruSaku base on how Naruto answered his dad's question? if so, do ya'll think Sasuke's returning to the good side will create conflict in their relationship?

Edited by Killer Bee's Album, 09 June 2013 - 10:28 PM.

[Verilance]

So, is it officially NaruSaku base on how Naruto answered his dad's question? if so, do ya'll think Sasuke's returning to the good side will great conflict in their relationship?

 

I think Sasuke's not returning to the "good" side will be the catalyst for their relationship, Sasuke and Naruto will fight and Sakura will choose with her heart

[Killer Bee's Album]

 

I think Sasuke's not returning to the "good" side will be the catalyst for their relationship, Sasuke and Naruto will fight and Sakura will choose with her heart

 

You mean Sasuke has other ulterior motives beyond becoming a hokage? 

[Verilance]

no....

 

his motives to become Hokage are for all the wrong reasons, he does not deserve the title and it is not just something he can claim

 

 

Sasuke does not "get it" still 

 

Naruto still has to make Sasuke see the "truth" which will lead to the "final" battle of the manga