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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'll agree with you on this, but the problem is, judging by what Kishi's shown so far, I'm almost convinced that this is very likely the case. Otherwise, why would the character developments seem so forced?? particularly with Hinata (or Naruto for that matter).

I think for some reason he wanted to give fanservice to all but ended up being so forced that it makes the battle annoying, i dont like Sasuke's character but for the first time kishi made me hope for him to show up i think he realized thsi and is going to skip the battle and when he returns there will be another setup with Naruto.
Changing the position of a lot of characters.

And 615 was forced a while chapters back Naruto said i wont give up because i lot of people sacrificed their lives and put their hopes on me then just to learn this lesson that he already had learned a while back.

Kishimoto is sh**ting with the fingers.
He is transforming the empty panels into kitten.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 26 January 2013 - 03:04 PM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I'll agree with you on this, but the problem is, judging by what Kishi's shown so far, I'm almost convinced that this is very likely the case. Otherwise, why would the character developments seem so forced?? particularly with Hinata (or Naruto for that matter).

Just bad writing? Bad foreshadowing? There's a few moments in this arc that somewhat foreshadowed some more Hinata development, but I didn't expect a serious moment like this one. Plus, those moments are few, minor, and far in-between, so this current development seemed very random.

I certainly opened the possibility that he IS being manipulated by editors or fans, but I've always thought that to be plausible, but highly unlikely. Of course, I doubt no one would come out and say, "Yes, I was being too much of a doormat to others," unless they were extremely unhappy/disappointed with the results of their work and executive meddling.

[Codus N]

Just bad writing? Bad foreshadowing? There's a few moments in this arc that somewhat foreshadowed some more Hinata development, but I didn't expect a serious moment like this one. Plus, those moments are few, minor, and far in-between, so this current development seemed very random.

I certainly opened the possibility that he IS being manipulated by editors or fans, but I've always thought that to be plausible, but highly unlikely. Of course, I doubt no one would come out and say, "Yes, I was being too much of a doormat to others," unless they were extremely unhappy/disappointed with the results of their work and executive meddling.

Bolded: that too. But I just hope it's wrong. 'cause really, Kishi would completely fall to the lowest of the low in my eyes if it's true. I sure hope that doesn't happen.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Just bad writing? Bad foreshadowing? There's a few moments in this arc that somewhat foreshadowed some more Hinata development, but I didn't expect a serious moment like this one. Plus, those moments are few, minor, and far in-between, so this current development seemed very random.

I certainly opened the possibility that he IS being manipulated by editors or fans, but I've always thought that to be plausible, but highly unlikely. Of course, I doubt no one would come out and say, "Yes, I was being too much of a doormat to others," unless they were extremely unhappy/disappointed with the results of their work and executive meddling.

I dont think so, if he was manipulated RTN should be another movie with NAruto/Hinata and making Hinata to be more of a tsundere or showing that she was his girlfriend or that he's opposite like her, when even his opposite loved Sakura, with the "trying to prove yourself to her" for me this is just a excuse to transfer responsabilities, i know it was foreshadowed but it should be like this?
Neji dying and Naruto going OOC?

IF kishi is doing a bad writing is because he did that not because editors forced or whatever it's his fault.
And moreover who's going to get f**cked up is Kishi not his editors.

[T XD]

How is he being controlled by editors and he already fired two or three editors ? He's clearly controlling his own manga. Plus, editors can't go this far with the mangaka. They have limits.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I dont think so, if he was manipulated RTN should be another movie with NAruto/Hinata and making Hinata to be more of a tsundere or showing that she was his girlfriend or that he's opposite like her, when even his opposite loved Sakura, with the "trying to prove yourself to her" for me this is just a excuse to transfer responsabilities, i know it was foreshadowed but it should be like this?
Neji dying and Naruto going OOC?

IF kishi is doing a bad writing is because he did that not because editors forced or whatever it's his fault.
And moreover who's going to get f**cked up is Kishi not his editors.

.... The part that you bolded is me saying it's possible he's being jerked around by editors or fans, doesn't mean he actually is.

[Slextrem]

Y'know... for all those saying that NH fans are shallow because of Hinata's reaction to Neji's sacrifice, I didn't see any of you comment about Neji's death, at all.

Sure, it's possible I skipped it (I usually read the first 3 comments, then skip to the latest page, which was around 33, 34 for this thread at the time), but really, the entire thread is mostly about "Where's Sakura?"

Like I posted pages ago, in an attempt to discuss what actually happened in the chapter, no one talked about how the shape of the charging Shinobi was in the shape of a bird, a homage to Neji's "Bird in the Cage" symbolism.

Or how similarly it is to his father's sacrifice to Hinata's father. That he died of his own volition, to protect his own family. It's a far cry from his "it's fated that.... It's fated this.... You're too weak to fight fate...," attitude.

Yes, I'm being accusatory. Yes, it's ridiculous that I'm getting worked up about the direction this thread keeps moving. But, really, I think you guys are taking the whole, "Sakura's not here?!" thing seriously, even when she's the main heroine.

Like I mentioned before, this series is much like an overworked Spotlighter. Everyone has monologues at a stage that follow one after another, but only one guy manning the spotlight and struggling to move the light from one actor to another.


About Sasuke's reappearance. Yes, I believe the story will shift to him and his group soon. Do I care? Not really. Kishi's setting the stage for his next arc, obviously.

About Kishi and his editors and caving into fan pressure.... What evidence do you guys have? Sure, there's precedence for this kind of thing happening, I personally haven't seen it, but it's certainly possible. But, how do we know that this is simply what Kishi has been planning? That it's just bad writing?

The opposite certainly is possible, that he might be caving into editors, fan pressure, etc, but the members who say he is, seem to be 100% sure he is caving into them.

In the end.... Guys, it's just a fictional story about ninjas fighting a gigantic monster whose old body became the moon led by a teenager with a gigantic fox spirit stuck in his stomach. It's not the end of the world.


AND AGAIN, STOP BASHING NH FANS. Calling them shallow, no matter what their opinion is, IS BASHING NH FANS.

And for everything else, there's fanfiction.




And yes, I'm aware I'll probably get in trouble with this with the mods, but I don't care. I'm tired of all this egregious overreaction since 615. It was hilarious, at first, but now it just seems ridiculous.

Thank you for pointing out some of the hypocrisy going on in this fandom. You're right. While a lot of us have been complaining about NaruHina fans stepping all over Neji, probably out of spite for NaruSaku not getting a moment like 615, not many of us have shown to be sincerely upset over it either. Granted, there are some people here that don't feel torn up about Neji dying and therefore may not be compelled to discuss it any further, but bashing an entire fandom of people for some doing essentially the same thing that we are is wrong. The finger pointing is getting old.

NH fans are people just like the rest of us. Just because they like Hinata and some may not have spent a lot of time grieving Neji, it does NOT make them shallow. That goes for SasuSaku fans as well. It doesn't matter how many "rabid" fans we've encountered in the past. We shouldn't be categorizing them all in such a negative way. I bet if we were to meet a NaruHina or SasuSaku fan in real life, without knowing which pairing they prefer, we would think that they're really nice people.

Edited by Slextrem, 26 January 2013 - 03:38 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

.... The part that you bolded is me saying it's possible he's being jerked around by editors or fans, doesn't mean he actually is.

that's what i said, being jerked or not does not increase or decrease his guilty.
he's responsible about everything that happens with Naruto.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Thank you for pointing out some of the hypocrisy going on in this fandom. You're right. While a lot of us have been complaining about NaruHina fans stepping all over Neji, probably out of spite for NaruSaku not getting a moment like 615, not many of us have shown to be sincerely upset over it either. Granted, there are some people here that don't feel torn up about Neji dying and therefore may not be compelled to discuss it any further, but bashing an entire fandom of people for some doing essentially the same thing that we are is wrong. The finger pointing is getting old.

NH fans are people just like the rest of us. Just because they like Hinata and some may not have spent a lot of time grieving Neji, it does NOT make them shallow. That goes for SasuSaku fans as well. It doesn't matter how many "rabid" fans we've encountered in the past. We shouldn't be categorizing them all in such a negative way. I bet if we were to meet a NaruHina or SasuSaku fan in real life, without knowing which pairing they prefer, we would think that they're really nice people.

Ah, the effects of GIFT. I'd like to direct you to this picture: Careful, there's cursing involved.

Curse Language Warning! --Click here to view--

Also, darkerst, delete your double post, please.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 26 January 2013 - 03:46 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Ah, the effects of GIFT. I'd like to direct you to this picture: Careful, there's cursing involved.

Curse Language Warning! --Click here to view--

Also, darkerst, delete your double post, please.

it was a bug.

[FrenchMyToast]

Well, since everybody seems to be talking about Neji's death, I'll tell you why it didn't affect me.

1.) I never really cared for his character. While it was good to see him grow out of his "fate controls all" phase, he never really had a purpose after the Time-Skip. He was just....there.
2.) His "first death" against Kidomaru (Spiderman Cursed Seal Guy) was so much more emotional and powerful for me. His real death just doesn't compare. But maybe when his real death is animated with flashbacks (lots of 'em ) and emotional music, it'll be on par with his 'first' death.
3.) My surprise/shock/anger with that sudden NaruHina handholding scene crushed any possible sadness I had for Neji. I'm pretty a lot of people in our fandom felt this as well. He'll, I bet many NaruHina fans felt like this too, but they weren't confused and angry. They were all excited thinking NaruHina was canon (Until 616 came along )

So yeah, I can't really say anybody is shallow for not caring about his death. It just pisses me off when people do say Neji died to make NH canon. Mostly cause nothing is canon yet...so they're pretty much saying he died for nothing.

[MangaReader]

How is he being controlled by editors and he already fired two or three editors ? He's clearly controlling his own manga. Plus, editors can't go this far with the mangaka. They have limits.

I still think he's succumbed to threats from angry fans... but maybe that's what he wants us to think before he trolls everyone

Edited by MangaReader, 26 January 2013 - 04:28 PM.

[redragon88]

About that discussion of Sakura becoming Hokage, I just seems like something weird. I'll be honest, I don't like the idea at all.

From what I see Sakura might have the potential of becoming Naruto's greatest supporter when it comes to becoming Hokage. She was willing to give up the chunin exams for the sake of that dream after all. Besides, if Naruto isn't appointed as much as I like Sakura I think there might be better candidates for it, Kakashi being the obvious first example.

Remember that in the last talk between Jiraiya and Tsunade she explained very clearly that Kakashi would be able to take her place if anything happened, and that Naruto could eventually. Sakura simply wouldn't fit in that role, and I think that if something happened to Tsunade that Sakura would be the first to support Naruto to take on the role of Hokage.

What I can always imagine Sakura doing is to give a shut up speech to both Obito and Madara. They'll be mocking Naruto's aspiration to becoming Hokage, and given that both Obito and Madara wanted to become the Hokage as well in the past they could comment on how they understand that Naruto would never have the ability to become on given his (insert mock her). They could be calling him stupid, incompetent, naive, or whatever insult you can think of.

If Sakura bore witness to all of this I can only imagine her becoming extremely enraged. She would start screaming at the top of her lungs for both the villains to simply shut the hell up. She would have this fierce gaze directed at them that would make even Naruto get scared for a moment (it would also be funny if Kurama was like WTF). Then she would say that she's about getting tired of people underestimating Naruto's dreams and determination. Then she could start listing the good qualities that would make him the perfect man to be the Hokage.

And to finish it all of she would say "You two aren't even close to Naruto's level, that's the reason you could never become Hokage. Let me be clear, Naruto is the man that will become the Hokage, and I'll make sure to see that dream come true one day".

If Kishi dared to make something like this it would make Hinata's speech look second rate in comparison. And it would also be different since Sakura wouldn't be speaking to Naruto, she would be speaking about Naruto to the villains. It would show how Sakura has come a long way from being the shallow girl that thought Naruto was a mere nuisance that only bothered her, to being the one who first publicly declares her full confidence in Naruto being able to become Hokage.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I still think he's succumbed to threats from angry fans... but maybe that's what he wants us to think before he trolls everyone

Or not.

[TouKen4Life3g]

About that discussion of Sakura becoming Hokage, I just seems like something weird. I'll be honest, I don't like the idea at all.

From what I see Sakura might have the potential of becoming Naruto's greatest supporter when it comes to becoming Hokage. She was willing to give up the chunin exams for the sake of that dream after all. Besides, if Naruto isn't appointed as much as I like Sakura I think there might be better candidates for it, Kakashi being the obvious first example.

Remember that in the last talk between Jiraiya and Tsunade she explained very clearly that Kakashi would be able to take her place if anything happened, and that Naruto could eventually. Sakura simply wouldn't fit in that role, and I think that if something happened to Tsunade that Sakura would be the first to support Naruto to take on the role of Hokage.

What I can always imagine Sakura doing is to give a shut up speech to both Obito and Madara. They'll be mocking Naruto's aspiration to becoming Hokage, and given that both Obito and Madara wanted to become the Hokage as well in the past they could comment on how they understand that Naruto would never have the ability to become on given his (insert mock her). They could be calling him stupid, incompetent, naive, or whatever insult you can think of.

If Sakura bore witness to all of this I can only imagine her becoming extremely enraged. She would start screaming at the top of her lungs for both the villains to simply shut the hell up. She would have this fierce gaze directed at them that would make even Naruto get scared for a moment (it would also be funny if Kurama was like WTF). Then she would say that she's about getting tired of people underestimating Naruto's dreams and determination. Then she could start listing the good qualities that would make him the perfect man to be the Hokage.

And to finish it all of she would say "You two aren't even close to Naruto's level, that's the reason you could never become Hokage. Let me be clear, Naruto is the man that will become the Hokage, and I'll make sure to see that dream come true one day".

If Kishi dared to make something like this it would make Hinata's speech look second rate in comparison. And it would also be different since Sakura wouldn't be speaking to Naruto, she would be speaking about Naruto to the villains. It would show how Sakura has come a long way from being the shallow girl that thought Naruto was a mere nuisance that only bothered her, to being the one who first publicly declares her full confidence in Naruto being able to become Hokage.

When it comes to on-panel, Sakura does seem the most supportive for Naruto in many ways. She really gets annoyed/hurt when Naruto is being thrashed. The upside is that she knows and bonus, can relate to it. Why? She did it herself a long time ago, calling him annoying and all. So she knows stuff like that are bad and will shut them up for it. I'm still surprised that she yelled back at Sasuke for belittling Naruto. It goes to show you that the relationship level is really dropping. Can they still be friends in the end? Yes. Lovers? No, unless betrayal is an option.

I do like your idea and it could happen. I think it will happen more towards to Obito. Somehow, that could lead to Rin because remember the flashback, Obito told her (no dialogue) that he's going to be a Hokage, which judging by Rin's reaction, she's behind him like "Do your best!" Sakura does in fact shows it and since we are all on the roll of bringing back Chuunin Exam development, this is a good time to show Naruto that she was going to save his dream. Hinata can't do it because again, she's all about Naruto's nindo. You can recap and it's all about that. Sakura is all about Naruto. Note: I'm not saying these girls are made for Naruto but let's put all characteristics aside. The point is that Sakura knows him the most on panel.

I do wonder what's the next phase. We now have boss battle. What's next?

[sushi.]

Hey guys, I wonder what will happen if Naruto gives Kyuubi cloak to the Kages! XD Especially Raikage.

monsterawakening

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hey guys, I wonder what will happen if Naruto gives Kyuubi cloak to the Kages! XD Especially Raikage.

monsterawakening

Now I think about it, if Kage return, I do see Madara being occupied since they may stick to that promise. That means Naruto may fight Obito after all. There's that beast but I do wonder if they even know how to stop it.

[redragon88]

Hey guys, I wonder what will happen if Naruto gives Kyuubi cloak to the Kages! XD Especially Raikage.

monsterawakening

Oh shi-

[MangaReader]

Or not.

More like


But yeah I doubt it XD

Edited by MangaReader, 26 January 2013 - 06:18 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

As a girl I am always offended whenever fans say things like oh, why bother with Sakura! Look at Hinata. Wink knudge Wink Insert Comment About the Size of A Certain Female Attribute. Like even if it's in a joking fashion, it's still very irritating. And actually insulting to Hinata too. Nice to reduce her character this way.

Every time someone brings up the breast size of any character in a topic which has nothing to do with that topic just makes me roll my eyes. Yeah, women have breasts, quite often in fact, and they come in different shapes and sizes. This news for someone? Amazing, I know, now get over it.

shadow_Uzumaki & Slextrem,

It is really unbelievable that there are people who think that because they prefer a certain fictional union between two fictional characters over some other fictional union of some other two fictional characters, that makes them superior human beings. And yeah, I'm sure that all the commentors who think that Kishi is being forced to make NH canon due Teh Evul Editorzz can easily prove all their claims with some solid evidence.

On-topic: Neji's body should be removed somewhere more peaceful. Makes me cry to see it around.