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[T XD]

Wow, nobody respond to my last post, I fell ignored.

For me, it could be 60 to 65 %. At most, not more than 70, given if Sakura will play a huge role as this in this arc.

In summary, that single panel of Sakura showing...something in the midst of Hinata's encouragement to Naruto, maybe significant. Again, we'll have to see. Most importantly, her reaction is different than Hinata's when she watched Sakura hugged Naruto

This panel of Sakura is not created for nothing. It shows that Kishi are telling the readers to look at Sakura's reaction from what is happening, which is that Hinata is touching his face and she knows already that Hinata loves Naruto, so if she didn't care, we wouldn't have seen her in a panel of her and her reaction.
Why creating a panel of Sakura in middle of this if there's no indication from Kishi and pointing towards her ? If he didn't want to, he wouldn't have thought to created it from the first place. This is typical in every writer to show the character that has a role in romance department for said another character that being seeing to show him/her reaction.

Edited by T XD, 29 December 2012 - 01:05 PM.

[Namaenash]

I have a prediction on Sakura's next development, during the final fighting scenes with Tobi vs Naruto, I can see Tobi mocking Naruto again and questioning Naruto on why he thinks Naruto not special. Than Sakura jumps in and gives a good rant to Tobi is to why Naruto is special. Than you might see Naruto blush on about Sakura praising him and thinks to himself about how much he did not know Sakura means that much to her.

Can you guys give me a percentage on how highly possible this prediction is.

Sorry, I don't think it's quite likely. To 'compete' with Hinata's word of encouragement to Naruto, Sakura would need to do something more impactful. If it's another encouragement, it will probably make her looks pale compared to Hinata. One thing that I hope is she could leverage her medic skills to help Naruto, while at the same time showing the readers that she has important place in Naruto's journey. The supporting role as a girl in Naruto's age to keep him inline isn't unique to Sakura's character anymore since this chapter. So, it should be a more unique and impactful act... I have no idea what that'd be, but I'm curious to see how Kishi will address this.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Namaenash, yes, I can agree with that. Right now it's too early to conclude really anything. Next chapters probably will clarify Sakura's reaction so we'll have some idea what she was thinking during Hinata's slap speech.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 29 December 2012 - 01:14 PM.

[Nefertieh]

Frankly you may have assumed too much. You can't really blame anyone for expecting too much and then being disappointed. Kishi has managed to have two main characters so far. I think he just might manage giving both Hinata and Sakura resolutions.

I'm not sure how my statement was an assumption but your statement is factual.

Yes, Kishimoto has two main characters; the hero and the villain. Unfortunately, as most male-orientated entertainment goes, there is usually only one main spot for the woman. Unless ofcourse, you think that over this past year, Sakura has had as much of a show as Hinata has.

Look, maybe I'm misunderstanding you? But I don't really get your point about Sakura reacting to Hinata. I already gave alternative reason for her to look upset instead because she is jealous. Sakura cares for Naruto, of course she will want to be there helping and supporting him. Sakura just doesn't seem to want to hold his hand and waltz down the aisle with him. If Hinata ends up marrying Naruto, Sakura will not be crying bitter tears and think that Hinata stole her place as Naruto's wife. Disagree?

Well, you said Sakura never wanted to be by Naruto's side. I'm saying that there is room for reasonable doubt. I don't think Sakura is capable of "crying bitter tears," because nobody seems to be capable of doing that to Hinata. If you consider the databook to be canon, then she doesnt know her feelings regarding Naruto.

The fact that Sakura hasn't made a declaration that she wants Naruto to hold her hand is not a good argument for saying that she has absolutely no feelings for him. If anything, it shows she's not a fangirl.

I can't find your "alternative reason for her to look upset" anywhere on this thread. You will have to elaborate.

So before you conclude Sakura would be crying tears of joy at naruhina instead of tears of jealousy, consider the fact that nobody knows.

Edited by Nefertieh, 29 December 2012 - 01:41 PM.

[Zatheko]

One thing I will never understand though IF kishi decides to make NH and SS canon, is why did he decide to give the ONE pairing he "wasn't" going to do, the most development, and the most time spent together? It really just doesn't make sense. All the chapters of the main male and female character of the show being together for what? only friendship? and then have the two pairings (NH and SS) which have little to no development and literally spend less than 20% of the amount of time that NS spends together turn romantic? It just seems so stupid if you ask me.

Edited by zatheko, 29 December 2012 - 02:05 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

One thing I will never understand though if kishi decides to make NH and SS canon, is why did he decide to give the ONE pairing he "wasn't" going to do, the most development, and the most time spent together? It really just doesn't make sense. All the chapters of the main male and female character of the show being together for what? only friendship? and then have the two pairings (NH and SS) which have little to no development and literally spend less than 20% of the amount of time that NS spends together turn romantic? It just seems so stupid if you ask me.

Let's just wait for the next chapters, i see a lot of people who did not see this a hint of NH canon or something like naruto showing hints that he loves Hinata.
If the next chapter confirm what they said so it's likely that NS is canon.

You will mostly start understand it when you ask about what's sakura ninja's way.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 02:02 PM.

[T XD]

Let's just wait for the next chapters, i see a lot of people who did not see this a hint of NH canon or something like naruto showing hints that he loves Hinata.
If the next chapter confirm what they said so it's likely that NS is canon.

You will mostly start understand it when you ask about what's sakura ninja's way.

Most likely, the next chapters is to be Naruto fighting and showing some panels of him being with Hinata fighting and the others as well. Then again, there could be development of other side characters and some other things.
Sakura will have a role in this arc ( as showing her fighting in some panels) but maybe not a huge one. Plus, for NS moment in this arc, probably yes but it still can be in another arc, which I'm referring for huge and important NS moment not a normal one.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ok. I went through so many posts that I actually read a lot of them. I got to say that I really like what I see and nice to see you guys are more calm and collective at this time. It's a long wait, but perhaps we need this time to ease down and rest. Some of you are still worried, which is fine, just have faith. I will be honest with you guys, I felt odd when I saw the spoiler but that's because I didn't see the content of it. Once you do, it's much better to understand. Glad it was wrong on my part. That said this will be my last lap in this thread because this is what I really feel. But first, I want to send my shout out to slextrem for that great video that actually really make sense and time will tell in the end. Now, on to my final thought. Feel free to comment.

To make this as a romance hint, there is need to be a follow-up in the upcoming chapters. Otherwise, this is only seen as a NH fanservice and Hinata's development. Ok, let's recap:

First of all, this whole chapter was about Naruto being connected with everyone, whether they're alive or dead. If it wasn't Kurama, this whole chapter could be seen as NH loving moment. But Kuruma pretty much pointed out that this is about everyone who are willing to die for him to push forward. So you can say he removed points from NH. Many people has look too deep into this moment, but it's pretty self-explanatory. It's that Naruto needed to learn that even though he can't protect everyone in the world, he should not stop and keep pushing forward. Naruto was more into the mind of sacrificing from his friends, rather than Hinata's charm. He didn't know what to do next but feels like maybe he would have everyone dead.

Now the hold hand scene. Honestly, if this is one way to get her wish without being romantic, then he deserves a credit without crushing the overall story. That is if it's not meant to be romantic. Think about this, Naruto grabs her hand to let her know that he's good now and gives Hinata chakra before heading back to the battlefield. Throughout the whole chapter, there was no love involved, rather Naruto understanding of sacrifice.

Let me put it this way: this could be the best or the worst chapter for NS. The reason is that Hinata's wishes came true and there's nothing else coming from her. There's love but it seems like Kishi is already ending it. If there's a follow-up, as in romance department between them, well then, now it's a threat. Naruto has not once shown any sign of love, so consistency is still on his side. Lately, it's hard to determine that this whole for Hinata is about being in the same level or actually being his lover. Even the Kiba's comment doesn't help because it goes both way as well. Like, saying that line could mean "Hey, just because she's here, doesn't mean you got to be a hero. People are coming to help like her." or "Hey, I know you want to be the top guy for her but don't try to act everything is alright."

Kishi can get away with this easily to be honest with you. The main concern right now is will there be a follow up. Right now, it all seems that Hinata's development is done. Only left is not even about NH, rather about the future of Hyuuga Clan, now that Neji is dead. She has the will to stand strong this time, and she most likely carry on the will of Neji, especially making all equal. But about the romance aspect, main character don't get love interest before the finale. This is not the finale. Sasuke is. This is definitely the moment that all side characters will shine before the main event. Also, it must be before the final battle. Lastly, if Naruto thinks of Sakura as love interest connection just once, then that really ends NH once and for all.

So yeah, it all depends on the upcoming chapters and I really mean that this is the moment that will determine everything. For the record, ObiRin parallel NH wouldn't make sense. Why? Because of the overall. The overall is that Rin is a medic, loves the guy who is considered cool, and being loved by Obito, who is regarded as weak, loser, and high spirited. Not to mention, they are all in the same team with the same situation as Team 7. Even Kishi asspulls it somehow, someway, it wouldn't make any sense at all, which makes Kishi look pretty bad. Consistency over fanservice.

I will say this and keeping my words. If Kishi manages to end NH on a good note and keep NS alive, I will start buying his volumes, after every work days. Quote me if you must, but I am keeping this in my promise bank. Anything else you would to ask, feel free.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 29 December 2012 - 02:21 PM.

[pharix]

Hey, everyone.
I just uploaded my latest video on Chapter 615. NaruSaku has nothing to worry about. Watch it and tell me what you think!

you win the internet.

the 8-bit intro and the Hinata impression both made me grin

btw what chapter was it that Kurama grabbed Kakashi's hand? I was looking for it but couldn't find it

Edited by pharix, 29 December 2012 - 02:24 PM.

[Zatheko]

Ok. I went through so many posts that I actually read a lot of them. I got to say that I really like what I see and nice to see you guys are more calm and collective at this time. It's a long wait, but perhaps we need this time to ease down and rest. Some of you are still worried, which is fine, just have faith. I will be honest with you guys, I felt odd when I saw the spoiler but that's because I didn't see the content of it. Once you do, it's much better to understand. Glad it was wrong on my part. That said this will be my last lap in this thread because this is what I really feel. But first, I want to send my shout out to slexterm for that great video that actually really make sense and time will tell in the end. Now, on to my final thought. Feel free to comment.

To make this as a romance hint, there is need to be a follow-up in the upcoming chapters. Otherwise, this is only seen as a NH fanservice and Hinata's development. Ok, let's recap:

First of all, this whole chapter was about Naruto being connected with everyone, whether they're alive or dead. If it wasn't Kurama, this whole chapter could be seen as NH loving moment. But Kuruma pretty much pointed out that this is about everyone who are willing to die for him to push forward. So you can say he removed points from NH. Many people has look too deep into this moment, but it's pretty self-explanatory. It's that Naruto needed to learn that even though he can't protect everyone in the world, he should not stop and keep pushing forward. Naruto was more into the mind of sacrificing from his friends, rather than Hinata's charm. He didn't know what to do next but feels like maybe he would have everyone dead.

Now the hold hand scene. Honestly, if this is one way to get her wish without being romantic, then he deserves a credit without crushing the overall story. That is if it's not meant to be romantic. Think about this, Naruto grabs her hand to let her know that he's good now and gives Hinata chakra before heading back to the battlefield. Throughout the whole chapter, there was no love involved, rather Naruto understanding of sacrifice.

Let me put it this way: this could be the best or the worst chapter for NS. The reason is that Hinata's wishes came true and there's nothing else coming from her. There's love but it seems like Kishi is already ending it. If there's a follow-up, as in romance department between them, well then, now it's a threat. Naruto has not once shown any sign of love, so consistency is still on his side. Lately, it's hard to determine that this whole for Hinata is about being in the same level or actually being his lover. Even the Kiba's comment doesn't help because it goes both way as well. Like, saying that line could mean "Hey, just because she's here, doesn't mean you got to be a hero. People are coming to help like her." or "Hey, I know you want to be the top guy for her but don't try to act everything is alright."

Kishi can get away with this easily to be honest with you. The main concern right now is will there be a follow up. Right now, it all seems that Hinata's development is done. Only left is not even about NH, rather about the future of Hyuuga Clan, now that Neji is dead. She has the will to stand strong this time, and she most likely carry on the will of Neji, especially making all equal. But about the romance aspect, main character don't get love interest before the finale. This is not the finale. Sasuke is. This is definitely the moment that all side characters will shine before the main event. Also, it must be before the final battle. Lastly, if Naruto thinks of Sakura as love interest connection just once, then that really ends NH once and for all.

So yeah, it all depends on the upcoming chapters and I really mean that this is the moment that will determine everything. For the record, ObiRin parallel NH wouldn't make sense. Why? Because of the overall. The overall is that Rin is a medic, loves the guy who is considered cool, and being loved by Obito, who is regarded as weak, loser, and high spirited. Not to mention, they are all in the same team with the same situation as Team 7. Even Kishi asspulls it somehow, someway, it wouldn't make any sense at all, which makes Kishi look pretty bad. Consistency over fanservice.

I will say this and keeping my words. If Kishi manages to end NH on a good note and keep NS alive, I will start buying his volumes, after every work days. Quote me if you must, but I am keeping this in my promise bank. Anything else you would to ask, feel free.

Ever since I saw you say this I have been eager to do the same, so I think I shall as well, if he keeps NS alive then I to will buy all of his volumes, If tho NH becomes canon well... there is NO way I am going to buy this.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This gonna be long, so enjoy the ride.
I'll try to be clear as possible, i crossed with this comment while i was lurking between 2ch and brchan.

About the chapters.
Foreshadowing.

Hinata's development, since part 1 she was touched by Naruto's ninja way, this is the main reason why she was the only one who could bring Naruto back to his senses, maybe some argue that it was Sakura's job but Sakura's ninja way is to protect Naruto and bring back Sasuke but since the promise is broken her NW is just about protecting Naruto and supporting him, this was clear so many times.
Hinata was the only one because she was completely changed by Naruto's ninja way, while naruto was shocked by Neji's death she remind Naruto about his Ninja way, the rest was up to Kyuubi, he grab Hinata's hand and thank her for supporting him.

Hinata development is done because after it she shows that she does need any more "confidence boost" from Naruto and neither consolation, she became a mature woman, but still Naruto didnt show any hint of romantic feelings towards her.
So with this i dont expect Naruto with pep talks to her and neither consolation from him.
But still she does not know about Naruto's burden and do not understand him completely, his suffering, responsabilites etc...


Now when it comes to Sakura what is determinant for me to think that SS is impossible, unless kishi does a complete 180 and start writing fanfic, is the fact that Sakura's development is entirely connected to "understand Naruto" since part 2, she understood Naruto's pain of becoming a Jinchuuriki (which Hinata does not know of and never will), on Sasuke's rescue arc she reming that even if Sasuke is away she was there for Naruto, and he dont need to be sad because they would try again and would become stronger next time, moving forward.

Later Naruto loses Jiraya his teacher but Sakura could not consolate him because she didnt lose anyone, so it was for Shikamaru who lose Asuma his teacher, now let's jump to Pain's Arc.

On Pain's arc Naruto understood what's revenge but what about Sakura? here was another chance for a key development for SS if it should be canon, Tsunade should had died in front of Sakura, she should be there, Tsunade dying would make Sakura think about revenge and start to understand Sasuke but no, this didnt happened at all.

On confession's arc, here's a key part, when Sai told Sakura that Naruto really loves her, that flashbacks were important it made her understand Naruto, Understand that she was not doing that for just Sasuke, but because he loved her, the same thing she tried to bring Sasuke's back, all the things she did, for Sasuke and didnt received any return, it happened the same with Naruto, she thought she was a bad person for not returning Naruto's feelings, and the fact that she loved Sasuke.

Now the foreshadowing parts.
When Sakura said "Naruto, this time we gonna be together.... we all gonna fight together this time" the "..." has the same significance as "Naruto is close but still ... Sasuke", or "Sakura you really...." it can be a hint or not but they key things is.

Tsunade, her death is inevitable she will join with Dan or whatever, but the key thing is she will know what is losing a teacher, she will understand Naruto more and more, when she fully understand him she will love Naruto.
I cant see she loving Sasuke after all this, she never had any development towards revengefull feelings.

NH, SS fans cant deny it, her development is going to lead Naruto not Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 02:35 PM.

[kidNinja]

Am I the only one who noticed that every time a NS moment is about to come up, there's always a break before it happens? Maybe that's just me overthinking and/or grasping at straws but I think something big is coming up regardless if there's a NS moment or not since it's a 3 week break. O_O

Edited by kidNinja, 29 December 2012 - 02:36 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

I've read this entire thread, and to be honest, I think some people are trying to downplay this entire chapter, instead of trying to be cautiously optimistic. Codus is just telling everyone not to assume anything; it's not a negative comment.

Sorry but I don't understand. What is the point of this whole Naruto x Sakura FC or this chapter 615 if we are not allowed to assume/discuss/debate things? Aren't we supposed to assume/discuss/debate the manga? There may be people who are downplaying this chapter and there are people who are unnecessarily being negative. I don't understand how people who are saying negative comments are getting a free pass, while the people who have a positive view has to be told not to assume anything. The people who are giving positive comments with backup reasons are always being told to "not to assume anything" and this gives nothing positive. This is just disregarding and brushing down the positive arguments with no effort or backup just because it's positive. Hence even if the comment itself was not meant to be negative, this action itself only brings negativity in the FC. If there was a backup argument of how the positive arguments are unreasonable, then that will help brush up the arguments. But a constant "don't assume/don't be sure" reply to every positive argument is not constructive at all.

And who the hell has the right to tell everyone not to assume anything?

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 29 December 2012 - 03:00 PM.

[六道仙人]

I would like to send a letter/mail to kishimoto and say to him "Don't fukc up your manga's logic please" but I know that he don't use very good PC and he don't read the letters sent by fans in person.

[tricksie]

Some thoughts after reading the dozen or so pages I needed to catch up!

First, I've seen a lot of posts saying that the this NH moment/Hinata development came out of the blue. But I have to disagree. All of the little moments in the current arc have been building to this. Especially her very romantic comments about wanting to stand beside him and hold his hand. Alot of folks mentioned that it was some sort of resolution (him finally thanking her) but honestly I never felt that way. I mean, it might have been taken that way if she hadn't said that whole hand-holding business. But i remember thinking that was an overtly romantic statement and very out of place.... But now, in light of this chapter, it all makes sense. Kishimoto was laying the groundwork for this moment. He really wasn't resolving anything. Which brings me to my next thought....

I don't think this chapter resolved anything with Hinata either. I really don't feel it. Instead Hinata has been solidy placed as pairing competition. Even if the opening panel in Chapter 616 shows Naruto leaving her to run off and help Sakura, Hinata shippers have bonafide proof that their ship has support. And by Naruto's reciprocating in a kind way, holding her hand like she wanted — not like telling Sakura that he hates liars, etc. — NH has support that will last until the very end.

The only time I cautiously thought something might have been resolved was when Hinata blandly smiled while Sakura hugged Naruto. But we can see now that was no resolution either.

Anyway, we may see more from Hinata, or we may not. This may have been the big hurrah. Or there may be more to come. But I sincerely don't believe her character has been resolved. Rather, I don't think Sakura has had her moment yet. I think that will come closer to the end.

And actually when Sakura's moment comes, I'm kind of expecting Naruto to only lightly be involved. Like when Sakura took down Sasori. Naruto wasn't involved. Sakura did it all on her own. However for Hinata her whole development, her whole character hinges on Naruto. All of it. Her moments are spent crushing on Naruto. Not in independent development.

So a "moment" for Sakura would be her exhibiting her strength, not mooning over Naruto. So if we support her and her pairing, we have to keep that in mind — that her development has been about her, not about her crushes.

[kidNinja]

Some thoughts after reading the dozen or so pages I needed to catch up!

First, I've seen a lot of posts saying that the this NH moment/Hinata development came out of the blue. But I have to disagree. All of the little moments in the current arc have been building to this. Especially her very romantic comments about wanting to stand beside him and hold his hand. Alot of folks mentioned that it was some sort of resolution (him finally thanking her) but honestly I never felt that way. I mean, it might have been taken that way if she hadn't said that whole hand-holding business. But i remember thinking that was an overtly romantic statement and very out of place.... But now, in light of this chapter, it all makes sense. Kishimoto was laying the groundwork for this moment. He really wasn't resolving anything. Which brings me to my next thought....

I don't think this chapter resolved anything with Hinata either. I really don't feel it. Instead Hinata has been solidy placed as pairing competition. Even if the opening panel in Chapter 616 shows Naruto leaving her to run off and help Sakura, Hinata shippers have bonafide proof that their ship has support. And by Naruto's reciprocating in a kind way, holding her hand like she wanted — not like telling Sakura that he hates liars, etc. — NH has support that will last until the very end.

That is a good point. I think it would actually be pretty exciting if the pairing tension escalates even moreso than before. Maybe even to the point where both girls are openly hostile to each other. (Which honestly isn't too much of a stretch)

[Slextrem]

you win the internet.

the 8-bit intro and the Hinata impression both made me grin

btw what chapter was it that Kurama grabbed Kakashi's hand? I was looking for it but couldn't find it

I'm glad you enjoyed it! Capn Banjo and I had a lot of fun making it!
It's chapter 609.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ever since I saw you say this I have been eager to do the same, so I think I shall as well, if he keeps NS alive then I to will buy all of his volumes, If tho NH becomes canon well... there is NO way I am going to buy this.

Well yeah, he just has to prove it. I do have some volumes, but not in order. The only part 2 volume I have is the very first one. Always like the reunion with Team Kakashi. So yeah, if he does it, I'll keep my word.

@Darkrerst: You make a good point. The thing is that we have Sasuke left and supposedly they have the one key to rule them all. That said we got ourselves a new situation. Sasuke may be calmed, but he's still up to no good, especially if his next plan doesn't favor the world rather only himself. The main point is that this arc is not the final stop or at least this fight. Sasuke also has backup, so one more rounds of fights. Let's not go deep with Sasuke until this ends.

I just want to comment on the possible situation with Sakura's reaction with Tsunade. Like I said before, Naruto will be effected by this as well. If you ask me, perhaps the latest development can pass down to her as well by explaining that Tsunade sacrifice herself for him to end the madness. Sakura may learn this and really push forward that she will support Naruto at all cost. Yes, she has already but Tsunade's death (or at least fatal injury) will wake her up to proceed to protect Naruto. Sakura is still skeptical about Naruto's plan against Sasuke, so that will play a role. Plus, Naruto and Sakura are very close to Tsunade, so they can relate to this. That moment can be a deal breaker. Lastly, I believe Sakura is against the idea of revenge fully even if she don't know that feeling. It's just that she is kind hearted who is vulnerable in emotion. She didn't like how Naruto wanted vengeance against Pain. Actually, if I recall, I don't think she didn't like how Shikamaru describe his status (revenge) but I could be wrong. Anyway, time will tell soon enough.

[Arachnia]

This manga can now go 1 of the 2 ways:

1 after the fight he will stick with hes love for sakura and tell hinata he already has some1 he really loves and will take the story on a bit of a new lvl, lets fase it if that happens its gonna be hard writting too make all the characters and lose ends right for the story.


or

2 the story will stay what it is now, a easy story where naruto stays attached too Hinata and slowly move on with her and says hinata your pretty cute bla bla and thx for staying at my side bla bla and no closure with sakura.
then the fight with sasuke will happen he turns good we already know that will happen sakura will probably forgive him and then ends up with sasuke bla bla then you get a 2 years later they have childeren wonderful hokage face on the mountain (naruto) End

oke so now the 2 questions
1 what story is more promising
2 what story is more easy to make happen.

but the way things go now now we already know what story is most promising and what story is most likely too happen.

[luffyq1]

I would like to send a letter/mail to kishimoto and say to him "Don't fukc up your manga's logic please" but I know that he don't use very good PC and he don't read the letters sent by fans in person.

Too late.