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[StriderC]

I'm actually REALLY enjoying the discussion going on here, and it's such a huge topic to me because every time I personally think about Sakura being killed, my view of Naruto goes dark, gloomy, and such. I seriously can't picture her dying. Her death would mean the end of a lot of things IMO. Naruto wouldn't want to become Hokage most likely. He'd want to probably kill off Sasuke, and the whole Team 7 dynamic would be gone. I also don't think it would increase the chances of Hinata landing the guy either.

Think about it for a sec...

If Sakura had died back in the Summit arc, do you guys seriously think Kishimoto would of made those parallels with MK, and ObiRin?
Would he have played out those scenes the same way?
Imagine if Kakashi got there, and saw Sakura being killed off, and then Naruto afterwards.
Another thing I thought about is would there actually have been a fight scene? I said this before but Sakura could of matched Sasuke there given he wasn't at full strength at all. That's why I thought there was gonna be a fight. It's possible that at that time, Kishi changed his plan and gave her a freakin' kunai... I truly wonder if he played things differently than what he initially wanted because some of it is really off IMO. A kunai?? Really? Her resolve suddenly shakens? Remember, she didn't have a problem attempting to strike him before at the first reunion. There's a lot of things here!
And if Sakura did get killed, I can't even see how Sasuke would get away with something like that because Naruto would go apekitten crazy. He wouldn't try to understand his actions anymore I would think, and he'd brand him irredeemable.

What I also thought about was Sakura's possible last words? Her maybe saying sorry to Naruto, and wishing she could see him one more time. I'd probably cry like a baby if Sakura got killed off, and I'd likely drop the manga right after to be quite honest.

[PhenixElite]

I'm actually REALLY enjoying the discussion going on here, and it's such a huge topic to me because every time I personally think about Sakura being killed, my view of Naruto goes dark, gloomy, and such. I seriously can't picture her dying. Her death would mean the end of a lot of things IMO. Naruto wouldn't want to become Hokage most likely. He'd want to probably kill off Sasuke, and the whole Team 7 dynamic would be gone. I also don't think it would increase the chances of Hinata landing the guy either.

Think about it for a sec...

If Sakura had died back in the Summit arc, do you guys seriously think Kishimoto would of made those parallels with MK, and ObiRin?
Would he have played out those scenes the same way?
Imagine if Kakashi got there, and saw Sakura being killed off, and then Naruto afterwards.
Another thing I thought about is would there actually have been a fight scene? I said this before but Sakura could of matched Sasuke there given he wasn't at full strength at all. That's why I thought there was gonna be a fight. It's possible that at that time, Kishi changed his plan and gave her a freakin' kunai... I truly wonder if he played things differently than what he initially wanted because some of it is really off IMO. A kunai?? Really? Her resolve suddenly shakens? Remember, she didn't have a problem attempting to strike him before at the first reunion. There's a lot of things here!
And if Sakura did get killed, I can't even see how Sasuke would get away with something like that because Naruto would go apekitten crazy. He wouldn't try to understand his actions anymore I would think, and he'd brand him irredeemable.

What I also thought about was Sakura's possible last words? Her maybe saying sorry to Naruto, and wishing she could see him one more time. I'd probably cry like a baby if Sakura got killed off, and I'd likely drop the manga right after to be quite honest.

True, the rumor of sakura getting killed really leaves more then a lot of inconsitencies. As said i could still see the Obirin parralellel as forshadowing, but the MinaKushi parallel would make completly no sense.
We still cant say that Kishi really wanted to do it since for me it wouldnt make any sense, but if it all was really true, then its time to start worrieng.

As long as nothing is stated we can still go on and be confident that NS is about to happen.

[narusaku4ver]

True, the rumor of sakura getting killed really leaves more then a lot of inconsitencies. As said i could still see the Obirin parralellel as forshadowing, but the MinaKushi parallel would make completly no sense.
We still cant say that Kishi really wanted to do it since for me it wouldnt make any sense, but if it all was really true, then its time to start worrieng.

As long as nothing is stated we can still go on and be confident that NS is about to happen.

Why killing her off implies that NS wont be canon.
Rin is dead but nothing stops from Obito being reunited with her if he dies, therefore doing it canon since they are going to be together.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 12 February 2013 - 11:34 AM.

[PhenixElite]

Why killing her off implies that NS wont be canon.
Rin is dead but nothing stops from Obito being reunited with her if he dies, therefore doing it canon since they are going to be together.

When you are dead, theres no pairing. Also for some kind of reunit naruto also needs to die. Cant believe he kills his main protagonist who we should support like kishi says.

The point is that for me NS wont be what i want if its in the afterlife since its some kind of supernatural bullsh**. They shall be happy in there life not only when they are dead.

[narusaku4ver]

When you are dead, theres no pairing. Also for some kind of reunit naruto also needs to die. Cant believe he kills his main protagonist who we should support like kishi says.

The point is that for me NS wont be what i want if its in the afterlife since its some kind of supernatural bullsh**. They shall be happy in there life not only when they are dead.

Disagree with you there, this is a fictional work so pairing can be canon even if they are dead, look at Dan and Tsunade.
About the other thing is, Edo tensei is not supernatural?, i forgot how many times Gaara got ressurrected and even Itachi when he came back from the edo tensei he was a different person, NS could be canon even if Sakura dies, Kakashi when he "died" he talked with his father, the last thing you can say about Naruto is that it's not supernatural, even Sasuke is talking with the dead.

Would not be what you want but it would be canon, every user here has a different view about how they want NS to be canon.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 12 February 2013 - 11:44 AM.

[PhenixElite]

Disagree with you there, this is a fictional work so pairing can be canon even if they are dead, look at Dan and Tsunade.
About the other thing is, Edo tensei is not supernatural?, i forgot how many times Gaara got ressurrected and even Itachi when he came back from the edo tensei he was a different person, NS could be canon even if Sakura dies.
Even Sasuke is talking with the dead.
Would not be what your want but it would be canon every user here has a different view about how they want NS to be canon.

There we first of all have the thing again that it is incredible unlikely that kishi is going to kill naruto, so sakura have fun in the afterlife alone.
Second: if the rumor is true, sakura should be dead already so its likely that hes sidelining her from now on, means no special scenes for sakura anymore.
Third: What do we got from a dead pairing? I mean they are death!!! Something like beeing together in afterlife is no option for me. As soon as they are dead theres no pairing. Who cares if they are happy in the afterlife? Point is that they never acchieved that happiniess in real life. Is that a story you want to tell to the audience? Naruto and sakura pretty much f**cked up in there life, but no problem they are going to be happy as soon as they are dead. In other words, the great theme of surpassing the older generation is not existing. No happy ending!

Edited by PhenixElite, 12 February 2013 - 11:54 AM.

[rocci]

I get it now. If kishi really kill sakura than NS is indeed canon.
The confession was not fail, naruto accept it but sakura still search sasuke.
Because in kishi manga if a pairing canon than one or both of them will dead.
Just for example
Asuma kurenai, right after it declare official asuma death.
JiraTsu, after the bench talk it seem tsunade will give a feedback if jiraiya back, but he dead.
And many more, obirin, konanyahiko, etc.
I mean love thing in this manga mean dead so canon pairing only happen in the end of manga, I think.

[PhenixElite]

I get it now. If kishi really kill sakura than NS is indeed canon.
The confession was not fail, naruto accept it but sakura still search sasuke.
Because in kishi manga if a pairing canon than one or both of them will dead.
Just for example
Asuma kurenai, right after it declare official asuma death.
JiraTsu, after the bench talk it seem tsunade will give a feedback if jiraiya back, but he dead.
And many more, obirin, konanyahiko, etc.
I mean love thing in this manga mean dead so canon pairing only happen in the end of manga, I think.

I think we have got more than just a differet view on this matter
and manga.

[narusaku4ver]

There we first of all have the thing again that it is incredible unlikely that kishi is going to kill naruto, so sakura have fun in the afterlife alone.
Second: if the rumor is true, sakura should be dead already so its likely that hes sidelining her from now on, means no special scenes for sakura anymore.
Third: What do we got from a dead pairing? I mean they are death!!! Something like beeing together in afterlife is no option for me. As soon as they are dead theres no pairing. Who cares if they are happy in the afterlife? Point is that they never acchieved that happiniess in real life. Is that a story you want to tell to the audience? Naruto and sakura pretty much f**cked up in there life, but no problem they are going to be happy as soon as they are dead. In other words, the great theme of surpassing the older generation is not existing. No happy ending!

Why not she dying pratically seal off his destiny to die, dying as a hero and fullfilling Jiraiyas desire about peace, then getting his "reward" on afterlife with Sakura and his parents.

About your second there no confirmation about this first an anime producer going off to an anime website and accidentally saying this off, she didnt say that kishi told her about this, it's gossip or you forgot about how the anime producers were complaning about the fact that Kishi never spoils the story to them.
i would believe if she said an assistant from kishimoto said that or his editor or whatever but an "anime producer" it's simply out of place
And moreover i dont think he's sidelining her, like i said there's no development for her on this arc you may disagree but there's nothing, and this summit only make people dislike SS an even made Sakura's VA to dislike SS.

Third: It's a fictional work a pairing only dies when a characters shows no love for the other, dying does not mean nothing, you could say tragical but dead is another issue.
Naruto would achieved peace and fullfilling the previous generations dream's, he would surpass.
About happy ending depends about the perspective, Naruto reuniting with Sakura and his parents on afterlife despite being dead is what Naruto always wanted.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 12 February 2013 - 12:06 PM.

[kirabook]

It really makes me think though. If this were a true rumor, would people still support SS like they do? Sasuke was going to KILL Sakura. Naruto saving her is even more important than we thought.

I've seen some "He wouldn't have really hurt her" or "Well, she wasn't hurt so it doesn't matter" and even "She was going to attack him first" excuses. Would they still use these excuses when one of the people in their pairing was going to KILL the other?

I mean, I know death in this manga doesn't mean as much as it used to, but either way, death is death. Sakura would have died because of Sasuke. Can people still support Sakura 'loving' Sasuke so much if that were the case? Would they truly believe Sasuke can change and grow to love her?

Even if these rumors aren't true or even if he changed his mind in the end, this just makes me believe Kishi never intended on making SS canon. Maybe this is another reason why the VA hates SS so much and why she called that SS pictures $h!t.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Why not she dying pratically seal off his destiny to die, dying as a hero and fullfilling Jiraiyas desire about peace, then getting his "reward" on afterlife with Sakura and his parents.

About your second there no confirmation about this first an anime producer going off to an anime website and accidentally saying this off, she didnt say that kishi told her about this, it's gossip or you forgot about how the anime producers were complaning about the fact that Kishi never spoils the story to them.
i would believe if she said an assistant from kishimoto said that or his editor or whatever but an "anime producer" it's simply out of place
And moreover i dont think he's sidelining her, like i said there's no development for her on this arc you may disagree but there's nothing, and this summit only make people dislike SS an even made Sakura's VA to dislike SS.

Third: It's a fictional work a pairing only dies when a characters shows no love for the other, dying does not mean nothing, you could say tragical but dead is another issue.
Naruto would achieved peace and fullfilling the previous generations dream's, he would surpass.
About happy ending depends about the perspective, Naruto reuniting with Sakura and his parents on afterlife despite being dead is what Naruto always wanted.

It's like a retired wrestler who creates a new gossip in order for people to talk about. You either believe it or not. In this case, I chose not to because you need to hear it from the person himself, Kishi. The problem is that it sounds false and inconsistent in many ways. I don't have the time to explain why but I think you should even feel down by words that can be easily said by third party source. If an editor said it, you can increase from 30% to maybe 55% chance of being true, but again, Kishi will address this if it's true. He had no problem addressing other parts of his story as well as mentioning his editor forcing him to make a fight scene. Actually, he could have already expose Sakura's death during the part where she was addressing the confession. That would have been a great chance to address it. Also, he defended Sakura as the heroine from others, so why defend her if her moment is to be dead. Lastly, Kakashi and Sakura's year was addressed and mentioned again when we were in war arc. So that would mean Sakura's shine is indeed after Kage Summit Arc.

I admit, it's a good discussion, but I wouldn't let words to sink in easily. We can only gossip talk, which we may be doing it now. I guess the believing part from you guys comes from the recent event, though again, wait until the battle ends. Stop being vulnerable and be strong.

[StriderC]

It really makes me think though. If this were a true rumor, would people still support SS like they do? Sasuke was going to KILL Sakura. Naruto saving her is even more important than we thought.

I've seen some "He wouldn't have really hurt her" or "Well, she wasn't hurt so it doesn't matter" and even "She was going to attack him first" excuses. Would they still use these excuses when one of the people in their pairing was going to KILL the other?

I mean, I know death in this manga doesn't mean as much as it used to, but either way, death is death. Sakura would have died because of Sasuke. Can people still support Sakura 'loving' Sasuke so much if that were the case? Would they truly believe Sasuke can change and grow to love her?

Even if these rumors aren't true or even if he changed his mind in the end, this just makes me believe Kishi never intended on making SS canon. Maybe this is another reason why the VA hates SS so much and why she called that SS pictures $h!t.

I really don't think so either. I don't think Kishimoto intended or even intends to make SS canon. I mean, look at their relationship now. He actually tried to kill her twice. He doesn't think about her really, and their interactions don't even compare to NS.

[PhenixElite]

Why not she dying pratically seal off his destiny to die, dying as a hero and fullfilling Jiraiyas desire about peace, then getting his "reward" on afterlife with Sakura and his parents.

About your second there no confirmation about this first an anime producer going off to an anime website and accidentally saying this off, she didnt say that kishi told her about this, it's gossip or you forgot about how the anime producers were complaning about the fact that Kishi never spoils the story to them.
i would believe if she said an assistant from kishimoto said that or his editor or whatever but an "anime producer" it's simply out of place
And moreover i dont think he's sidelining her, like i said there's no development for her on this arc you may disagree but there's nothing, and this summit only make people dislike SS an even made Sakura's VA to dislike SS.

Third: It's a fictional work a pairing only dies when a characters shows no love for the other, dying does not mean nothing, you could say tragical but dead is another issue.
Naruto would achieved peace and fullfilling the previous generations dream's, he would surpass.
About happy ending depends about the perspective, Naruto reuniting with Sakura and his parents on afterlife despite beind dead is what Naruto always wanted.

I agree with you on the second part but i Only think that hes going to sideline her if the rumors about sakura dying are true since she should already be dead.

The third part: How shall i say it? Why Naruto cant die:
-kishi said we should support naruto. So we shall support him for dying in the end?
-The theme of surpassing the older generation is destroyed. You cant surpass someone if you are dead.
-The main goal of naruto becoming hokage. Hoe can he become hokage if hes dead?
-No matter how we turn it death is never something positive, so why should kishi show his main characters dying?
-What was the whole sense of the manga if the main character dies in the end?
-What does kishi want to show with them dying? That you can be happy when your dead? Sure....

So lets see it from this side: Would you like to see people dying in real life so they can be happy then?
Even if its fictional, the story is written by a human and you have no happy ending when your dead.
As every himan beeing you know that death is nothing positive, so why would you like to see the 3 characters this story is made of dying?

How many naruto fans do you think would like to see the main protoganist dieing? I dont think there are a lot. Same count for the pairings. How many fans do you think would like to see their favourite pairing dieing?
Why arent there a lot who dont want to see something like that? Because death is something tragic since they are no longer there.

[narusaku4ver]

I really don't think so either. I don't think Kishimoto intended or even intends to make SS canon. I mean, look at their relationship now. He actually tried to kill her twice. He doesn't think about her really, and their interactions don't even compare to NS.

About part 1 he may leave the thing that SS could happen but what he said was putting Sasuke to almost kill Sakura shows off that he didnt intended to make it canon.


Now about what he said previously well, people always find excuses, just look at NH saying that Naruto does not love Sakura, when they deep inside believe that Naruto loves Sakura and if it's shown again Naruto's love for Sakura pretty much kills their pairing off, the reason of saying that Sasuke was just defending himself, is just a excuse to not believe that Sasuke does not have any special feelings for Sakura, defending himself is pretty laughable if even Sakura knew she could not kill Sasuke.

I agree with you on the second part but i Only think that hes going to sideline her if the rumors about sakura dying are true since she should already be dead.

The third part: How shall i say it? Why Naruto cant die:
-kishi said we should support naruto. So we shall support him for dying in the end?
-The theme of surpassing the older generation is destroyed. You cant surpass someone if you are dead.
-The main goal of naruto becoming hokage. Hoe can he become hokage if hes dead?
-No matter how we turn it death is never something positive, so why should kishi show his main characters dying?
-What was the whole sense of the manga if the main character dies in the end?
-What does kishi want to show with them dying? That you can be happy when your dead? Sure....

So lets see it from this side: Would you like to see people dying in real life so they can be happy then?
Even if its fictional, the story is written by a human and you have no happy ending when your dead.
As every himan beeing you know that death is nothing positive, so why would you like to see the 3 characters this story is made of dying?

How many naruto fans do you think would like to see the main protoganist dieing? I dont think there are a lot. Same count for the pairings. How many fans do you think would like to see their favourite pairing dieing?
Why arent there a lot who dont want to see something like that? Because death is something tragic since they are no longer there.

The third part is about if that scene happened, before the summit Naruto's main goal was to save Sasuke and you know that he said a lot of times "if i cant save a friend i cant become hokage" if Sakura dies means that he would failed on saving a friend she therefore he would not be a hokage plus the fact that he loves her would make him blame himself for her death, Naruto's objective would change for "changing the world to a place that there will be no more Naruto's or Sasuke's".
He would surpass the previous generation doing what even the first hokage and the sage of the six paths could not have managed to do which is peace.
This is me saying if the story would follow that route which i strongly believe it would not.

About the other question the sense of the manga already got lost with the undying will of Naruto towards Sasuke, the main character is unsure about his objectives he wants to be a hokage but says that can only become one if he saves a person that does not want to be saved, saying that he will die with Sasuke if it's possible but before it promised to Tsunade he would not die, made a promise to Nagato that he would change the world but does nto manage to do this and does not even know the answer.

Bolded.
Final fantasy tactics, Ramza saves the world but dies along with his sister, it's show that his death bring him the freedom that he desired off, while his friend Delita died murdered by his own wife and then while dying ask who won in the end.
FF7
Aeris dies....
Valkyrie Profile
She's dead since the begining, while her lover is alive he then dies to reunite with her and help her to fight against the main villain.
I tend to not to compare with real life.

But what you said is debatable since you said "-The main goal of naruto becoming hokage. Hoe can he become hokage if hes dead?" then why he said that he was going to die along with Sasuke.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 12 February 2013 - 12:42 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

About part 1 he may leave the thing that SS could happen but what he said was putting Sasuke to almost kill Sakura shows off that he didnt intended to make it canon.


Now about what he said previously well, people always find excuses, just look at NH saying that Naruto does not love Sakura, when they deep inside believe that Naruto loves Sakura and if it's shown again Naruto's love for Sakura pretty much kills their pairing off, the reason of saying that Sasuke was just defending himself, is just a excuse to not believe that Sasuke does not have any special feelings for Sakura, defending himself is pretty laughable if even Sakura knew she could not kill Sasuke.

In my opinion, since not a lot of people want to play safe which I'm cool with, I always feel like SS ended back in part 1. I wouldn't say this if Sasuke and Sakura actually talk to each other in a normal conversation but it's either "Where's Kakashi?" or "Kill her so I can replace her." Why no more development between them aside from being more and more depressing. Why isn't Sasuke thinking about her at all, individually of course.

[PhenixElite]

About part 1 he may leave the thing that SS could happen but what he said was putting Sasuke to almost kill Sakura shows off that he didnt intended to make it canon.


Now about what he said previously well, people always find excuses, just look at NH saying that Naruto does not love Sakura, when they deep inside believe that Naruto loves Sakura and if it's shown again Naruto's love for Sakura pretty much kills their pairing off, the reason of saying that Sasuke was just defending himself, is just a excuse to not believe that Sasuke does not have any special feelings for Sakura, defending himself is pretty laughable if even Sakura knew she could not kill Sasuke.


The third part is about if that scene happened, before the summit Naruto's main goal was to save Sasuke and you know that he said a lot of times "if i cant save a friend i cant become hokage" if Sakura dies means that he would failed on saving a friend she therefore he would not be a hokage plus the fact that he loves her would make him blame himself for her death, Naruto's objective would change for "changing the world to a place that there will be no more Naruto's or Sasuke's".
He would surpass the previous generation doing what even the first hokage and the sage of the six paths could not have managed to do which is peace.
This is me saying if the story would follow that route which i strongly believe it would not.

Final fantasy tactics, Ramza saves the world but dies along with his sister, it's show that his death bring him the freedom that he desired off, while his friend Delita died murdered by his own wife and then while dying ask who won in the end.

And this is also a reason why i dont believe that sakura is going to die.
So if naruto dies hes not surpassing tsunade, obito and also not surpassing jiraya in every way. Maybe hes able to bring peace but he wont be able to have a family and life a live with the girl he loves. He also wont be hokage.

So do you think that final fantasy story had a happy ending? I surely dont.

Edited by PhenixElite, 12 February 2013 - 12:48 PM.

[六道仙人]

I know this has now become a touchy subject, but I have the screenshot. Do you guys want it posted here or should I send it via PM to those that want to see it?

EDIT: Since no one has said anything, I'll go ahead and post them here:

Sorry but I don't believe that's a real chie nakamura :S His name is written in english and she speaks a good english here... Japanese people don't use to write their name in romanji but in kanji/katagana/katakana.

Are you really sure that's the real Chie Nakamura?

[narusaku4ver]

In my opinion, since not a lot of people want to play safe which I'm cool with, I always feel like SS ended back in part 1. I wouldn't say this if Sasuke and Sakura actually talk to each other in a normal conversation but it's either "Where's Kakashi?" or "Kill her so I can replace her." Why no more development between them aside from being more and more depressing. Why isn't Sasuke thinking about her at all, individually of course.

Well but back on part 1 it wasnt negative as it is now, she may thinks that Sasuke was cold because of the tragedy and that his desire of revenge was strong, she even said she wanted to help him with the revenge, but she was convinced that Sasuke was a victim but now it's known that for her it's not like this he's not a great guy to be in love with, and the murder attempt pratically throws at her face that for him she means nothing.

The lover-nin purpose was just to say to Sakura what Karin realized by herself.
"Sasuke does not love you" and "he does not deserve your love".

Sorry but I don't believe that's a real chie nakamura :S His name is written in english and she speaks a good english here... Japanese people don't use to write their name in romanji but in kanji/katagana/katakana.




Are you really sure that's the real Chie Nakamura?

15 january

http://ameblo.jp/nak...y-20130105.html
5 january

http://ameblo.jp/ax-...y-20130105.html
5 january.

I'm not trying to imply anything just did a reverse image search.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 12 February 2013 - 12:56 PM.

[六道仙人]

the fact that chie nakamura's facebook profile could be an impostor and he/she just taked photos from amebo's profile which it's from the real chie nakamura (i know that amebo profil since years).

It's all absurd to me, crew producers (of anime) gone on japanese site to say that Sakura is gonna die? It sound out of logic to me....

[PhenixElite]

So fact is we have no reliable source there. Noone knows if it was all true. If its true then we can prepare for sakura to die or getting sidelined till the end of the manga. If sakura dies, we have no real NS since i believe that the majority of the fans want a real pairing not a dead one. Not to forget that for a afterlife NS we need naruto to die. Im sure 90% of all naruto fans dont want him to die so i guess its not gonna happen.

But well im not buying that kishi really intended to kill sakura. If he did then its a kick in da ballz.