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[Tsubaki]

> people don't like your main character then what about make her more heroine, giving her more shinning moments and more fights so people can change their minds about her?

Kishi: nah, Let's just kill her .. it's more easier!

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Actually if that true its still not helping to think that everything is ok since kishi didnt do it. In my opinion we have a good chance that kishi kills sakura near the end without her beiing survived if he already wanted to do it. Well if that happens, the story is destroyed but cant change te mind of the author.

Nah, I doubt it. The only possible opening I see as of now of Sakura actually dying is by Obito or something. Rinnegan = automatic revival so I'm not worried over a permenant death scene. I'm just a little depressed by the possibility that Kishi might have wanted to kill her by Sasuke 'cause it's just disturbing. Sakura wasn't actually getting a chance to prove her heroine-role correctly. She failed miserably with bad means (despite good intentions) and instead of coming back stronger later, all she gets is death? That just doesn't sit well with me, it's not a noble ending for her.

Thank God Kishimoto decided to do stuff differently, I'm happy with that.

[rocci]

Now then, here's another topic: how would you guys feel if the romance aspect was more like FT?? with FT, Mashima set up several different pairings at once. We hear some of those age old reasoning why Kishi's doing 615-617 is because he's fanservicing parts of the fandom and that he doesn't want to lose readers. Now, what if there was a better way around it?? by setting up several different pairings for the characters, all sides of the fandom wins and we wouldn't be having this acidic shippng war in the first place.

The best timing Kishi could've done was early in Part II. If Kishi had established several different pairings at once, the fandom would be that much more peaceful and the fandom as a whole can focus on the bigger picture.

it's too late for that , and kishi is not mashima who is the king of fanservice.

[Slextrem]

It sort of makes sense, if you think about what happened when she confronted Sasuke. Her intention was to kill him, but she chose to attack with a poison-dipped kunai instead of her fists. I've always felt like that was a cop out. Even though she couldn't win against Sasuke, I felt that she would have at least put some effort into fighting him. I mean, it's Sasuke. She should know better than to attack him with a kunai, of all things. If this rumor was true, Kishimoto might have been wanting to give her a small fight scene with Sasuke before he killed her, but he made a last minute adjustment to turn her into a damsel in distress because of the fans. Thus, we get Sakura using a really lame weapon against Sasuke and Kakashi showing up to save her.

Imagine all of the differences there would have been in the series if he had taken this route. How would Sasuke have killed her? With Chidori? With the kunai? Or did Kishimoto have something completely different in mind? Would Karin have lived? When would Naruto have found out? How would he have reacted? Would he have been so eager to deal with Sasuke on his own? How would this have affected the events of the war?

This is such an interesting topic!

Edited by Slextrem, 12 February 2013 - 07:15 AM.

[luffyq1]

and how Sasuke could be forgiven after that?!

Exactly! Killing Sakura off and still having Sasuke redeemed would be godawful.

I don't even think killing Sakura off was running through Kishi's head. It simply does not make absolutely no sense.

[PhenixElite]

Nah, I doubt it. The only possible opening I see as of now of Sakura actually dying is by Obito or something. Rinnegan = automatic revival so I'm not worried over a permenant death scene. I'm just a little depressed by the possibility that Kishi might have wanted to kill her by Sasuke 'cause it's just disturbing. Sakura wasn't actually getting a chance to prove her heroine-role correctly. She failed miserably with bad means (despite good intentions) and instead of coming back stronger later, all she gets is death? That just doesn't sit well with me, it's not a noble ending for her.

Thank God Kishimoto decided to do stuff differently, I'm happy with that.

The sad thing about it is that he wanted to kill a main character that had no real happy ending then. All she did was chasing after sasuke, then she gets killed by him. Honorable end for her right?

And about the thing with the happy ending of team seven reunited in te afterlife: wheres the point to show that? Kishi always showed naruto wanting to become hokage and bringing sasuke back to konoha, but in the end all he gets is the death.

Thats all not really fitting well, but if that rumor is really true, then i could pretty easy see sakura dying without beeing revived in the end, since at the end kishi couldnt care less if fans boycott the manga if sakura dies.

Some scenarios of her dying that i could imagine:
-Obito kills her and naruto shows that hes not like him.
-Sakura jumps between sasuke and naruto in the final fight, just like she did in part 1.

Edited by PhenixElite, 12 February 2013 - 07:39 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

The sad thing about it is that he wanted to kill a main character that had no real happy ending then. All she did was chasing after sasuke, then she gets killed by him. Honorable end for her right?

And about the thing with the happy ending of team seven reunited in te afterlife: wheres the point to show that? Kishi always showed naruto wanting to become hokage and bringing sasuke back to konoha, but in the end all he gets is the death.

Thats all not really fitting well, but if that rumor is really true, then i could pretty easy see sakura dying without beeing revived in the end, since at the end kishi couldnt care less if fans boycott the manga if sakura dies.

I think the biggest obstacle I have in believing this rumor is how Kishimoto is such a fan of sappy, cheesy endings. I've never imagined him being capable of turning an almost consistent "surpassing the previous, happy endings" theme he has etched in our brains over and over with the main characters to a dark, tragic death option like all the previous failures. It just doesn't add up. Kishimoto couldn't even let characters stay dead in the Pain arc, he's he really capable of doing that now?

I also don't get this so-called "fans saved Sakura's life" argument. She isn't the most popular character in Japan, even though she has a fanbase. Itachi is way more popular than she is yet he still died and this time died for good. It's weird. :/

EDIT: Still am not convinced Sakura would die permanently. The only opening is to connect the ObiRin/NaruSaku parallel as far as I'm concerned and that scenerio automatically entails ressurrection. Rinnegan = revival.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 12 February 2013 - 07:46 AM.

[luffyq1]

I think the biggest obstacle I have in believing this rumor is how Kishimoto is such a fan of sappy, cheesy endings. I've never imagined him being capable of turning an almost consistent "surpassing the previous, happy endings" theme he has etched in our brains over and over with the main characters to a dark, tragic death option like all the previous failures. It just doesn't add up. Kishimoto couldn't even let characters stay dead in the Pain arc, he's he really capable of doing that now?

I also don't get this so-called "fans saved Sakura's life" argument. She isn't the most popular character in Japan, even though she has a fanbase. Itachi is way more popular than she is yet he still died and this time died for good. It's weird. :/

Edit: Still am not convinced Sakura would die permanently. The only opening is to connect the ObiRin/NaruSaku parallel as far as I'm concerned so that scenerio automatically entails ressurrection. Rinnegan = revival.

Edited by luffyq1, 12 February 2013 - 07:47 AM.

[neoshadow]

I think the biggest obstacle I have in believing this rumor is how Kishimoto is such a fan of sappy, cheesy endings. I've never imagined him being capable of turning an almost consistent "surpassing the previous, happy endings" theme he has etched in our brains over and over with the main characters to a dark, tragic death option like all the previous failures. It just doesn't add up. Kishimoto couldn't even let characters stay dead in the Pain arc, he's he really capable of doing that now?

I also don't get this so-called "fans saved Sakura's life" argument. She isn't the most popular character in Japan, even though she has a fanbase. Itachi is way more popular than she is yet he still died and this time died for good. It's weird. :/

EDIT: Still am not convinced Sakura would die permanently. The only opening is to connect the ObiRin/NaruSaku parallel as far as I'm concerned and that scenerio automatically entails ressurrection. Rinnegan = revival.

I totally agree but to be fair Itachi may be more popular but he was also a villain when he died and his death was the goal of the deuteragonist. after death he moved into a more gray area to make him more sympathetic but he really had to die again for development of Sasuke. Sakura may not be the most popular character in Japan but she is still near the top (tied with Sai for 12th I believe) and is the 2nd most popular female after Hinata in 10th so she does have a pretty sizeable fanbase, coupled with the fact that shes the heroine I could see fans being enraged at her possible death.

If this is true it really just seems like being dark and edgy for the sake of it, its pointless tragedy injected just for shock value. If it was handled something like Minato and Kushina tragic for a reason or even Shikaku it could work but this it sounds worse than Neji's.

[PhenixElite]

I think the biggest obstacle I have in believing this rumor is how Kishimoto is such a fan of sappy, cheesy endings. I've never imagined him being capable of turning an almost consistent "surpassing the previous, happy endings" theme he has etched in our brains over and over with the main characters to a dark, tragic death option like all the previous failures. It just doesn't add up. Kishimoto couldn't even let characters stay dead in the Pain arc, he's he really capable of doing that now?

I also don't get this so-called "fans saved Sakura's life" argument. She isn't the most popular character in Japan, even though she has a fanbase. Itachi is way more popular than she is yet he still died and this time died for good. It's weird. :/

EDIT: Still am not convinced Sakura would die permanently. The only opening is to connect the ObiRin/NaruSaku parallel as far as I'm concerned and that scenerio automatically entails ressurrection. Rinnegan = revival.

The intresting thing is that he wanted to kill a main character in the middle of the manga that has gone through a lot of development with the protoganist, but he wasnt able to kill hinata who has as good as nothing to do with the plot.
Next thing is that i thought he made the manga for the younger generation, but then he nearly decides to kill off one of the important characters of the story and makes a sad ending. Why did he even said that we should keep supporting naruto?

What if connecting NS to ObiRin is exactly the thing kishi wants to do in showing naruto also loosing sakura forever?
I guess i lost a lot of faith for kishi through this sakura dying rumor.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

The intresting thing is that he wanted to kill a main character in the middle of the manga that has gone through a lot of development with the protoganist, but he wasnt able to kill hinata who has as good as nothing to do with the plot.
Next thing is that i thought he made the manga for the younger generation, but then he nearly decides to kill off one of the important characters of the story and makes a sad ending. Why did he even said that we should keep supporting naruto?

What if connecting NS to ObiRin is exactly the thing kishi wants to do in showing naruto also loosing sakura forever?
I guess i lost a lot of faith for kishi through this sakura dying rumor.

It wasn't exactly the middle, it was late in the game sorta. Late 400s which covers most of the manga so far. Hinata ... the only excuse I possibly have for her surviving when she clearly should have died (By the injury she received, not that I actually want her to) is because of a). Hinata's fanbase is absolutely insane and blown out of proportion, Kishimoto probably wanted to keep his fanservice character around so he doesn't get stacks and stacks of hate mail and b). Realized her character development wasn't finished yet so I guess no dying.

Logically, it's not impossible. I just can't see it though. Obito specifically brought up the Rinnegan that can revive people. That wasn't there for no reason. Ever since, I theorized a possible Sakura death but not permanent. Rinnegan= alive. For that reason alone, there's no way I see her staying dead if this is the path Kishimoto wants to take.

I'm upset by what he speculated on doing possibly but I haven't lost faith. Don't see a good enough reason, especially since this was merely a rumor.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 12 February 2013 - 08:30 AM.

[redragon88]

After reading what Chie had to say about Sakura potentially dying I don't know how seriously I can take it.

It sound less like something Kishi directly told her and more like a rumor she heard about something that might've happened. Then she said that some fans caught wind about Kishi wanting to kill Sakura because some producer revealed it in some anime site?

Let me see if I understand it clearly, a producer somehow got knowledge about future events in the manga and decided to post about it in a anime site, but by accident? And now we had some random fans knowing that Sakura was going to die and pressured Kishi into changing his mind?

Not to mention she comments that Sakura wanted to embrace her death at Sasuke's hands. WHAT? Now it turns out that she wanted to be killed by Sasuke because of some misguided sense of love that she has for him? This can't be the Sakura I know.

So she wanted to relieve Naruto of his burden by being killed and leaving Sasuke, the root cause of his burden, alive? This sound more ridiculous as I keep writing it. If she knew Naruto loved her then she would've understood that she would've left him in an incredibly miserable by dying. That makes it seems as if she values her selfish love for Sasuke way more than her care for Naruto. This is exactly the opposite of what actually happened in the Summit arc.

Why in the world would Sakura not oppose her death at Sasuke's hands? This is the part that confuses the hell out of me. If Sakura had actually died back then it would've made her look like a petty masochist that had some sort of mental damage thanks to the twisted love she had for Sasuke. A love that makes her disregard the happiness of everyone else but herself. What a load of BS.

If Sakura wanted to protect Naruto then the last thing she would've done is embrace death by chidori. That would've obviously simply motivated Naruto more to go after Sasuke therefore exposing Naruto to even more danger. Letting herself be killed would've caused Naruto even more suffering. It would've made Sakura look like a girl who just couldn't deal with the situation any longer and simply wanted to kill herself for it. A weak pathetic girl.

I just can't take seriously the idea of Kishi considering such an event.

[Chucky-kun]

After reading what Chie had to say about Sakura potentially dying I don't know how seriously I can take it.

It sound less like something Kishi directly told her and more like a rumor she heard about something that might've happened. Then she said that some fans caught wind about Kishi wanting to kill Sakura because some producer revealed it in some anime site?

Let me see if I understand it clearly, a producer somehow got knowledge about future events in the manga and decided to post about it in a anime site, but by accident? And now we had some random fans knowing that Sakura was going to die and pressured Kishi into changing his mind?

Not to mention she comments that Sakura wanted to embrace her death at Sasuke's hands. WHAT? Now it turns out that she wanted to be killed by Sasuke because of some misguided sense of love that she has for him? This can't be the Sakura I know.

So she wanted to relieve Naruto of his burden by being killed and leaving Sasuke, the root cause of his burden, alive? This sound more ridiculous as I keep writing it. If she knew Naruto loved her then she would've understood that she would've left him in an incredibly miserable by dying. That makes it seems as if she values her selfish love for Sasuke way more than her care for Naruto. This is exactly the opposite of what actually happened in the Summit arc.

Why in the world would Sakura not oppose her death at Sasuke's hands? This is the part that confuses the hell out of me. If Sakura had actually died back then it would've made her look like a petty masochist that had some sort of mental damage thanks to the twisted love she had for Sasuke. A love that makes her disregard the happiness of everyone else but herself. What a load of BS.

If Sakura wanted to protect Naruto then the last thing she would've done is embrace death by chidori. That would've obviously simply motivated Naruto more to go after Sasuke therefore exposing Naruto to even more danger. Letting herself be killed would've caused Naruto even more suffering. It would've made Sakura look like a girl who just couldn't deal with the situation any longer and simply wanted to kill herself for it. A weak pathetic girl.

I just can't take seriously the idea of Kishi considering such an event.

That's the key word, "potential"

Anyone could "potentially die"

[PhenixElite]

It wasn't exactly the middle, it was late in the game sorta. Late 400s which covers most of the manga so far. Hinata ... the only excuse I possibly have for her surviving when she clearly should have died (By the injury she received, not that I actually want her to) is because of a). Hinata's fanbase is absolutely insane and blown out of proportion, Kishimoto probably wanted to keep his fanservice character around so he doesn't get stacks and stacks of hate mail and b). Realized her character development wasn't finished yet so I guess no dying.

Logically, it's not impossible. I just can't see it though. Obito specifically brought up the Rinnegan that can revive people. That wasn't there for no reason. Ever since, I theorized a possible Sakura death but not permanent. Rinnegan= alive. For that reason alone, there's no way I see her staying dead if this is the path Kishimoto wants to take.

I'm upset by what he speculated on doing possibly but I haven't lost faith. Don't see a good enough reason, especially since this was merely a rumor.

I think it was pretty much in the middle if we take that the manga is going to have more then 700 chapters.
I thought that too, that if she dies that shes going to be revived with the rinnegan, but now that we know that he planned to kill her forever, i wouldnt understand the reason to revive her. Maybe it was always kishis plan to kill her but because of the fans that time he decided to delay it to the end.

Hinatas develolment wasnt finished that time, but sakuras wasnt either and shes a main character.

I havent lost all faith in kishi, just a part of it. The thing is that after we see that he was capable of doing such a thing im not sure what bad and inconsistent stuff could still be waiting in the story. With that he opened 100 possibilities of ruining his story. I judt never thought he would be a person who would do something like that.

[redragon88]

That's the key word, "potential"

Anyone could "potentially die"

I'm not really following the point you're trying to make.

EXTRA

There's also the fact that Kishimoto once stated that he already decided on the ending a long time ago and that he wasn't gonna change it. Whether Sakura is alive or dead is an important factor that pertains to that ending. So I can't believe he would just decide to end the manga with her being alive if it wasn't the original plan.

If he really did plan to kill her in the Summit arc (which I really doubt) then I guess that means Sakura is definitely going to die before the end of the series so that it can go along with the ending he had planned.

Aside from Team 7 being together in the afterlife I can't imagine any other reason for Sakura to die. Having Sakura die so that she can be with Sasuke in the afterlife while Naruto is with Hinata alive, the thought just makes me want to vomit.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Honestly, people are forgetting that Sakura didn't cared about Sasuke's feelings in Part 1 and even in Part 2, during the Team 7 reunion. Her feelings for Sasuke is about the childhood Sasuke, not the teen version that she's smitten over.

[Zatheko]

I'm not really following the point you're trying to make.

EXTRA

There's also the fact that Kishimoto once stated that he already decided on the ending a long time ago and that he wasn't gonna change it. Whether Sakura is alive or dead is an important factor that pertains to that ending. So I can't believe he would just decide to end the manga with her being alive if it wasn't the original plan.

If he really did plan to kill her in the Summit arc (which I really doubt) then I guess that means Sakura is definitely going to die before the end of the series so that it can go along with the ending he had planned.

Aside from Team 7 being together in the afterlife I can't imagine any other reason for Sakura to die. Having Sakura die so that she can be with Sasuke in the afterlife while Naruto is with Hinata alive, the thought just makes me want to vomit.

That is the same thought that has been going through my head since I heard about this rumor, which is why I hope that this is just that a "rumor".

[Atheck]

After reading what Chie had to say about Sakura potentially dying I don't know how seriously I can take it.

It sound less like something Kishi directly told her and more like a rumor she heard about something that might've happened. Then she said that some fans caught wind about Kishi wanting to kill Sakura because some producer revealed it in some anime site?

Let me see if I understand it clearly, a producer somehow got knowledge about future events in the manga and decided to post about it in a anime site, but by accident? And now we had some random fans knowing that Sakura was going to die and pressured Kishi into changing his mind?

Not to mention she comments that Sakura wanted to embrace her death at Sasuke's hands. WHAT? Now it turns out that she wanted to be killed by Sasuke because of some misguided sense of love that she has for him? This can't be the Sakura I know.

So she wanted to relieve Naruto of his burden by being killed and leaving Sasuke, the root cause of his burden, alive? This sound more ridiculous as I keep writing it. If she knew Naruto loved her then she would've understood that she would've left him in an incredibly miserable by dying. That makes it seems as if she values her selfish love for Sasuke way more than her care for Naruto. This is exactly the opposite of what actually happened in the Summit arc.

Why in the world would Sakura not oppose her death at Sasuke's hands? This is the part that confuses the hell out of me. If Sakura had actually died back then it would've made her look like a petty masochist that had some sort of mental damage thanks to the twisted love she had for Sasuke. A love that makes her disregard the happiness of everyone else but herself. What a load of BS.

If Sakura wanted to protect Naruto then the last thing she would've done is embrace death by chidori. That would've obviously simply motivated Naruto more to go after Sasuke therefore exposing Naruto to even more danger. Letting herself be killed would've caused Naruto even more suffering. It would've made Sakura look like a girl who just couldn't deal with the situation any longer and simply wanted to kill herself for it. A weak pathetic girl.

I just can't take seriously the idea of Kishi considering such an event.

Your posts are very uplifting to read while sounding logical and thoughtful. The validity of the rumor, yes, rumor, is at best questionable because it brings up so many issues which you pointed out. Thank you for your words of wisdom. Seriously, I mean it. It is very thought-provoking about what the actual truth of the matter is.

Edited by Atheck, 12 February 2013 - 09:16 AM.

[PhenixElite]

I'm not really following the point you're trying to make.

EXTRA

There's also the fact that Kishimoto once stated that he already decided on the ending a long time ago and that he wasn't gonna change it. Whether Sakura is alive or dead is an important factor that pertains to that ending. So I can't believe he would just decide to end the manga with her being alive if it wasn't the original plan.

If he really did plan to kill her in the Summit arc (which I really doubt) then I guess that means Sakura is definitely going to die before the end of the series so that it can go along with the ending he had planned.

Aside from Team 7 being together in the afterlife I can't imagine any other reason for Sakura to die. Having Sakura die so that she can be with Sasuke in the afterlife while Naruto is with Hinata alive, the thought just makes me want to vomit.

Thats the point that annoys me. If kishi really wanted to kill sakura that time, theres no doubt that he will kill her in the end then, or keeps her on the sideline with no big use till the end since she should be dead already.

Thats whats destroying the "im so happy that he didnt choose that route" argument, since if that was really kishis intention we
can bet that kishi is not going to plan something big for her in the end or maybe even kills her, what means NO NaruSaku.

I dont want to be a downer, but compared to meaningless things like chapter 615 that say nothin about the end pairing and everyone goes crazy over, i think that if that rumor is true, its a REAL problem for NS and sakuras character compared to everything else.

Edited by PhenixElite, 12 February 2013 - 09:24 AM.

[narusaku4ver]

@reddragon88 you just sums up everything and she didnt say that kishi said it directly so i think it was a rumour, what made the things worse is that she mentioned an "anime" producer.

But at least it explains why she dislike SasuSaku.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 12 February 2013 - 11:11 AM.