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[DattebayoXShannaro]

Again, a person who takes fanfiction as canon material.

[TouKen4Life3g]

What is your view on this?

Is the person implying that Naruto did more harm than good for Sakura?

[BakeNeko-Chan]

What is your view on this?

 

Manipulated people for her own good? People, really, really love twist around Sakura motivation for the confession, don't they. What would Sakura have to gain in that confession? There is nothing. She only did what she thought was best in the situation, she may have been a bit misguided, but all she was trying to do was make right the hurt she caused Naruto, and killing Sasuke was done in the interest, not only of Naruto's safety, but for her village. She was not thinking of herself, or maliciously manipulating Naruto, and she wasn't thinking of her own gain, because again, what was there for her to gain?

[DattebayoXShannaro]

 

Manipulated people for her own good? People, really, really love twist around Sakura motivation for the confession, don't they. What would Sakura have to gain in that confession? There is nothing. She only did what she thought was best in the situation, she may have been a bit misguided, but all she was trying to do was make right the hurt she caused Naruto, and killing Sasuke was done in the interest, not only of Naruto's safety, but for her village. She was not thinking of herself, or maliciously manipulating Naruto, and she wasn't thinking of her own gain, because again, what was there for her to gain?

 

Exactly this!

[TouKen4Life3g]

I would like to add that the sacrifice she's doing is pretty huge as in make Naruto's love into hate because she felt that she put him in a bad position, so she wants to make herself look like the worst person to Naruto by killing Team 7 metaphorically speaking. Everyone was already planning to end Sasuke but Naruto would hate them (though we would never know) for actually doing so, so Sakura felt like she was the best one to get all the hate. That's some twisted stuff for Naruto to understand. I know he tried to counter everything to Sai but he was put down as Sai always have counter to Naruto, so in short, Naruto lost the reasoning battle.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I would like to add that the sacrifice she's doing is pretty huge as in make Naruto's love into hate because she felt that she put him in a bad position, so she wants to make herself look like the worst person to Naruto by killing Team 7 metaphorically speaking. Everyone was already planning to end Sasuke but Naruto would hate them (though we would never know) for actually doing so, so Sakura felt like she was the best one to get all the hate. That's some twisted stuff for Naruto to understand. I know he tried to counter everything to Sai but he was put down as Sai always have counter to Naruto, so in short, Naruto lost the reasoning battle.

 

Pretty much, yeah. Which is why I just can't wrap my head around this idea people have that she would actually have something to gain in all that. Just, how?

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Pretty much, yeah. Which is why I just can't wrap my head around this idea people have that she would actually have something to gain in all that. Just, how?

You know, I just thought of an explanation in my own take but I'll need time. One day, perhaps. Anyway, yeah, there's nothing to be gained from all this, instead many consequences.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I would like to add that the sacrifice she's doing is pretty huge as in make Naruto's love into hate because she felt that she put him in a bad position, so she wants to make herself look like the worst person to Naruto by killing Team 7 metaphorically speaking. Everyone was already planning to end Sasuke but Naruto would hate them (though we would never know) for actually doing so, so Sakura felt like she was the best one to get all the hate. That's some twisted stuff for Naruto to understand. I know he tried to counter everything to Sai but he was put down as Sai always have counter to Naruto, so in short, Naruto lost the reasoning battle.

Hmm. sometimes i really have doubts if she wanted Naruto to hate her, even i say this sometimes but sincerely i'm half in half when it comes to this, i mean did she just wanted to make Naruto hater her by killing Sasuke and lifting the burden, or she just wanted to handle it by herself taking the burden of Sasuke's death.

I dont know but Naruto would never hate her, he doesnt even hate Sasuke for trying to kill Sakura and betraying him and also tried to kill him 3-4 times i think, he even vowed he would destroy his village, treatened him that he would kill each one of his friends, probably might betray him again, opposes him even on his dream to be kage, ressurrected Orochimaru.. might have more?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 October 2013 - 06:56 PM.

[Luna]

Is the person implying that Naruto did more harm than good for Sakura?

Yes. People love twisting things about sakura though. I think it's safe to say Sakura is the most popular character regardless of  who hates her or likes her.

[BlueStarSaber]

You I kind of find it funny that Sakura brings out the emotions in people both in the manga (Sasori and Sai) and in real life (her haters and supporters).

[TouKen4Life3g]

You I kind of find it funny that Sakura brings out the emotions in people both in the manga (Sasori and Sai) and in real life (her haters and supporters).

It's weird because many characters even bring out the emotions to the mix, even a very strong person.

[sushi.]

Yes. People love twisting things about sakura though. I think it's safe to say Sakura is the most popular character regardless of  who hates her or likes her.

Well she is at least very popular to talk about

[Question22]

Haters make a person popular too

 

Example: 

 

Youtube:

 

More haters , dislikes , kill your self comments = more views

Edited by Question22, 20 October 2013 - 08:06 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Haters make a person popular too

 

Example: 

 

Youtube:

 

More haters , dislikes , kill your self comments = more viewers

 

I hear that's how Justin Bieber and Twilight became so talked about.

[Question22]

 

I hear that's how Justin Bieber and Twilight became so talked about.

 

Yep JB became so popular by the gay comments and everybody in the world started talking about it  

[KnS]

I just don't feel that Naruto as written and Hinata the person are compatible (I dislike Hinata, but sometimes it feels like I analyze her as a "full character" while some individuals who enjoy her analyze her only in terms of romance), and I do think Hinata would be unhappy in a relationship with Naruto once the original fangirling dies down.

 

I agree.  Naruto and Hinata are not compatible.  In real life people say that opposites attract, and while there are certainly opposite-based relationships and marriages that have been successful, there are also many that end in fiery crashes or are endured with boredom, bitterness, or outright hatred due to social / cultural / religious pressures against divorce.

 

But Naruto is not real life, and we must look at the basis for and qualities of partnership and marriage that Kishimoto has established in his story.  To my memory, there are no obvious "opposites attract" couples in the manga.  In fact, the examples we've been given focus on combined strength, complementary styles, unity of purpose, and/or a man who appreciates a strong-willed woman.  (Hashirama/Mito, Asuma/Kurenai, Tsunade/Dan, Fugaku/Mikoto, the Fourth/Kurara, Shikaku/Yoshino.) 

 

Without question, the most intimate view of romantic partnership we've seen in the story is that of Minato and Kushina.  I don't believe that is an accident.  We're told that Kushina's first impression of Minato was unfavorable, and that she considered him less than whatever manly ideal she first held at a young age.  Over time Minato grew strong and brave, and eventually impressed her with his strength as a man and a shinobi.  The icing on the cake was that Minato happened to be attracted to the one physical characteristic that Kushina disliked most about herself.  After a slow journey toward each other they married and had a very happy life together, and we know that right up to the moment of their deaths Minato maintained a good-natured but healthy respect for his wife's temper and tendency to dominate their disagreements.

 

Even if the elements of the astoundingly obvious parallel between MK and NS were somehow debatable, the timing Kishimoto chose to introduce the details of the MK history and courtship removes all objective doubt.  The backstory of MK was brought in just as Naruto is required to focus on being filled with love and acceptance in order to be an effective jinchuriki.  Just before he will be required to seek not a "weird" girlfriend/wife but one like his mother.  Just as Sakura is heading into a series of events that will reveal, once and for all, Naruto's strength as a man and a shinobi.

 

Hinata has no place in these events, nor any compatibility or relevance to the key example of romantic partnership outlined in the story.

 

And really, the foundation was clearly built in Part I.  As I mentioned in my previous post, Naruto operates almost entirely on instinct.  How was this instinct applied when it came to what his foreshadowed role was in the lives of the two girls, and in terms of what they actually needed to hear from him?  

 

In the case of Hinata, Naruto's instinct sensed her fears and feelings of inferiority.  Naruto reacted to what he sensed by standing up for Hinata against Neji, showing her that underdogs could overcome their weaknesses and win.  He treated her like a friend and an equal member of the rookie team, and has repeatedly shored up her lagging self-confidence.  Like a big brother, or a coach, or a future Hokage would, but not the way a boyfriend or future husband would.

 

By contrast, Naruto's instinct sensed Sakura's deep insecurity about her appearance, and her desire to be acknowledged as a serious and capable girl worthy of being an elite shinobi's teammate and love interest.  He reacted to what he sensed by appearing before her as a henge of Sasuke, instinctively saying exactly what she wished to hear about her forehead, instinctively responding with the same desire -- to be a serious and capable guy worthy of being her teammate and love interest -- and recognizing that the similarity of their deepest feelings was why he loves her.

 

Hinata has never been Naruto's love interest, and despite her own confusion Naruto has never truly been Hinata's love interest.  Certainly not a mature girl's interest.  Her feelings for Naruto remind me of the sort of crush a girl might get on her much-older brother's college friend.  To her mind he's cool, accomplished, and makes her think and feel things that are exciting.  But it's an impossible relationship.  The guy might be fond of his friend's kid sister, pay attention to her to boost her confidence, but he would never think of her as a romantic interest.  It's the sort of relationship that can only exist in the shy, inexperienced girl's fantasies.

 

Overall, I see Hinata as like a china doll.  Lovely, delicate, and fragile but of limited utility.  She's a china doll dressed in a ninja costume.  And Naruto is the proverbial bull in the china shop.  They don't go together.  

 

Meanwhile Sakura is a real girl.  She's willing to roll up her sleeves and get her hands dirty, able to keep up with the boys and tolerate their smelly farts and bad language, willing and able to thrash them within an inch of their lives if they give her any grief.  And after all that she cleans up very nicely and still acts like a girl you could take to meet your mother.  Given Naruto's personality, is it any wonder he likes her so much?

 

Kishimoto has given any reader with an objective eye all the hints and details they need to see what's coming.

 

Sorry for the LAP.  Just my opinion.

Edited by KnS, 20 October 2013 - 08:13 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

^Well done. ^_^

As I said before, talking about negative on someone or something is a popular trend. I don't know why but maybe because we like to poke fun while looking at positive makes us tear of happiness. That's me at least. Lol I don't cry but I think many understand what I mean.

Thanks for many likes, everyone. ^_^

[Question22]

So yep all pairing are in the same position right now , but Saku > Naru moments happened and NaruHina fans tend to say that Hinata saying Naruto-kun 

 

is a Hina > Naru moment Lol. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

So yep all pairing are in the same position right now , but Saku > Naru moments happened and NaruHina fans tend to say that Hinata saying Naruto-kun 
 
is a Hina > Naru moment Lol. 

That's a stretch.

[BlueStarSaber]

So yep all pairing are in the same position right now , but Saku > Naru moments happened and NaruHina fans tend to say that Hinata saying Naruto-kun 

 

is a Hina > Naru moment Lol. 

 

Well they don't have much to go on know do they.