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[AHK]

Yeah, pretty much.
I am tired of this "realistic" crap people keep trying to put on me about this story. "It is realistic that people don't always get what they want."
Well, realistically speaking:
-Sasuke would have been put in prison for at least 10-20 years for attempted murder, abuse, robbery, and terrorism. (That's only going off the top of my head) He probably would also maybe put into an asylum for psychological evaluation.
-Sakura would have gotten over Sasuke in the first 2 years and moved on to Naruto realizing her happiness in him
-Naruto could go either way, but he probably would have been put into a foster home
-Hinata would have gotten over Naruto too and went with someone else
It is just maddening when people try to explain why this outcome occurred, but not realizing that the same could have applied to the reverse. They expect naruto to just get over Sakura, but want Hinata to forever be his love slave. Why? Why should Naruto be in love with Hinata?

All semblance of realism was lost the moment Kishi tried to introduce the concept of love to 12 year old girls that had no idea what real love is and knew nothing about those that they claimed to love. You can't love someone that you know nothing about, and Kishi failed miserably in trying to pass off that garbage as a real form of love. The only form of love that was realistic in any sense of the word was Naruto giving the POAL, which Kishi shoved to the side in favor of the "love" of obsessed fangirls that came about from a popularity contest, and because liking someone who never gave any kittens about the people around him was the cool thing to do at the time.

[FreakySandra1995]

It won't change anything.

 

Even if it does, the damage is done.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Even if it does, the damage is done.

That too. Oh well. The moral died. At least in story wise for me, I made a new character that is like Deadpool only don't intentionally break the 4th wall, he keeps relating life to media. A nerd if you may.

[Narufan85]

All semblance of realism was lost the moment Kishi tried to introduce the concept of love to 12 year old girls that had no idea what real love is and knew nothing about those that they claimed to love. You can't love someone that you know nothing about, and Kishi failed miserably in trying to pass off that garbage as a real form of love. The only form of love that was realistic in any sense of the word was Naruto giving the POAL, which Kishi shoved to the side in favor of the "love" of obsessed fangirls that came about from a popularity contest, and because liking someone who never gave any f**cks about the people around him was the cool thing to do at the time.

The fact that Kishi brought back the POAL at the start of the fight with Sasuke only to then ignore it is astounding to me.

[trang95]

The fact that Kishi brought back the POAL at the start of the fight with Sasuke only to then ignore it is astounding to me.

Out of all the things that made me mad the most was Kishi's decision to ABSOLUTELY ignore the POAL in the end. To Naruto, to Sakuta, to the Narusaku fans, and to ME it carried such a significant meaning.

Edited by trang95, 12 November 2014 - 01:20 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The fact that Kishi brought back the POAL at the start of the fight with Sasuke only to then ignore it is astounding to me.

Agreeeeeeeeeed.

[Nutt Man 117]

NaruHina was planned already planned? Then it was executed so poorly. It baffles me as to why NaruSaku was built up so much then. When NaruHina gets about 15 chapters worth of development out of 700.

 

I read some information here:

 

http://dattebayo--ne...a-happened-even

 

Not sure if its true but if people are saying it WAS planned then Kishimoto really didn't plan his manga well at all.

[TouKen4Life3g]

NaruHina was planned already planned? Then it was executed so poorly. It baffles me as to why NaruSaku was built up so much then. When NaruHina gets about 15 chapters worth of development out of 700.
 
I read some information here:
 
http://dattebayo--ne...a-happened-even
 
Not sure if its true but if people are saying it WAS planned then Kishimoto really didn't plan his manga well at all.

Not true, especially going by this.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

 

This is precisely why the ending of the manga is so bitter and unsettling.  

 

I don't understand how any reader or fan with heartfelt love for the character of Naruto can be satisfied with an ending that required him to make such a selfless and painful sacrifice.

 

Naruto's true love and so-called "brother" both disregarded his feelings, and he ended up having to settle.  As far as I'm concerned, there's no way around that assessment.  

 

Even if the movie miraculously manages to convince people that Naruto's decision to be with Hinata was founded in profound love and he is happy, it's still a retcon and anyone with the slightest bit of objectivity knows it.  If Naruto had felt anything for Hinata in the manga, the movie wouldn't be necessary to sell the audience on how he ends up with her.

 

Naruto had to settle for Hinata, a girl who will never be the one he was in love with or wanted at his side.  Pure and simple.

 

In this way isn't Naruto is ever more like Jiraiya? Only now he seems to have made a sick mockery of the parallel.  The only difference between them is one had the balls and fortitude not to settle and the other one did settle for second choice. In the end they both end up with a tragic love that was almost, but not. 

Jiraiya couldn't get the girl he wanted, but he never settled, he never stopped wanting her. Some people say that they think its GOOD that Naruto went this route rather than down the path of his old master, but is it really better to wake up next to a woman you really didn't want every morning and then go to bed next to her at night?

I would rather him be Forever alone then to have the very foundation of his character obliterated. <---- This would have been several billion times better then what we actually got from Kishimoto. 

This thought also makes me want to write some Fanfiction in which Naruto never settled for a silver medal and Sasuke has a terrible accident leaving Sakura a widow.  

 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 12 November 2014 - 01:49 PM.

[tricksie]

You would think Kishimoto picked up the Naruto Wikipedia page authors and paid them to write the last two chapters for him. And the movie. It's all like bad fanfic.

[Khaleesi]

 

He's probably is reacting so shocked because he is wondering what is Sakura doing outside of the house.

Tru.

 

Lolwut @link_papa followed me.

wait what, why

 

has kishi said it himself that naruto's love for sakura is pale?..i just found out

No, it's just a reviewer.

 

hey guys theres a petition here https://www.change.o...next-generation

to change  the naruto ending

what do you think it will happen if it succeds raising 10,000 signatures?

Nothing.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Tru.

 

wait what, why

 

No, it's just a reviewer.

 

Nothing.

I don't think it matters if its a reviewer or not, 10 bucks say they try and sweep kitten under the rug and whitewash their relationship. 

( 10 bucks as in like...no bucks.  )

[Hokage Sennin]

Lol, Kishi sucks at writing romance so much that he ended up developing a pairing that he didn't plan.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Lol, Kishi sucks at writing romance so much that he ended up developing a pairing that he didn't plan.

Maybe he's really an idiot genius?  he's stupid at writing it but by complete accident he made something amazing.

[Sav from Australia]

I don't know if you guys watch or read Rock Lee's manga/anime.  There's an episode in the anime where Lee and Naruto - with Neiji tagging along - are trying to locate Sakura in a town to hang out with her.  They find Hinata lurking and as they patiently wait for her to say something she goes about twiddling her thumbs.  "Ahnooo, Etoooo, Sonooo, Ahnooo, Etoooo, etc, etc."  Neiji keeps telling them off as they want to rush away and it cuts to '30 minutes later' and all she wanted to say was 'Nice weather' or something.  Cue them falling over. 

 

That is your NaruHina in a nutshell.  Its hilarious, impossible, illogical.  I have been thinking about that scene quite a bit.  You guys should try watching it as well - I cannot remember the exact episode - it is quite the carthatic experience.  The reason I enjoy thinking about it is that it puts the whole NaruHina "canon" into context as the joke it really is.  We are all hurt.  We were/are all really upset at the butchering of the characters and the message, and well, logic.  But that scene, making the mockery with the stereotypical behaviour of the characters - on Lee's show of all places - really makes me smile.

[Lady Lys]

Maybe he's really an idiot genius?  he's stupid at writing it but by complete accident he made something amazing.

 

And people be blaming Sakura, even though apparently NH was decided first.

 

JUSTICE FOR SAKURA!!!!!          

[TouKen4Life3g]

Like her or not, this also assassinated Hinata.

[Elicit]

Maybe he's really an idiot genius?  he's stupid at writing it but by complete accident he made something amazing.

Kishimoto must be a complete retard for not noticing the potential in NaruSaku.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

 

And people be blaming Sakura, even though apparently NH was decided first.

 

JUSTICE FOR SAKURA!!!!!          

She basically got sniped by this ending "wheeeelp, gotta make Naruhina happen, so lol, Here ya go Sakura! against all logic, character development and a cohesive, progressive narrative you are stuck with Sasuke...but first I gotta dumb ya down a little back to your 12 year old self!" 

 

 

Like her or not, this also assassinated Hinata.

In the fact that it made fans who were ambivalent about her out right hate her through no real fault of her own, but rather because it made us all feel like Neji had to die for this? that she really didn't earn this ending, and that she basically was regressed to pathetic arm candy by a writer who couldn't do her justice? 

 

Kishimoto must be a complete retard for not noticing the potential in NaruSaku.

 Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day, right?

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 12 November 2014 - 02:24 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

DeadPool origin made more sense than this ending...