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[trang95]

 

Maybe they want to "prevent" this Forum from the "Facebook-Like-Disease"? Where everybody likes everything because reasons?

Yeah, so I don't get to like posts that have actually deserved it, just like now -.-

[Nefertieh]

It seemed like the forehead scene, Kushina parallels and Sakura sweetly smiling at Naruto when he wasn't looking was a setup for narusaku... Which was all dropped somewhere halfway into the story.

Kishimoto's assistant's tweets basically confirmed NH was decided, but SS wasn't until quite late in the story. So I guess the SS fandom really does owe NH a big thanks.

[James S Cassidy]

It seemed like the forehead scene, Kushina parallels and Sakura sweetly smiling at Naruto when he wasn't looking was a setup for narusaku... Which was all dropped somewhere halfway into the story.

Kishimoto's assistant's tweets basically confirmed NH was decided, but SS wasn't until quite late in the story. So I guess the SS fandom really does owe NH a big thanks.

They never deserved it....and they still don't.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 12 November 2014 - 11:18 AM.

[trang95]

Kishimoto's assistant's tweets basically confirmed NH was decided, but SS wasn't until quite late in the story. So I guess the SS fandom really does owe NH a big thanks.

It's good to know that one of these pairings cannot exist without the other.

NaruSaku could have stand on its own thanks to actual evidence in the manga- if it only had become cannon.

Edited by trang95, 12 November 2014 - 11:43 AM.

[六道仙人]

lol that could explain the random feelings coming out from Sasuke in 698.

 

So NS was canon in a certain point of the story but then kishimoto changed his mind? I guess it was around chapter 615. He might have seen the numbers of volume 64's sold copies. It's just around that time the production of the movie started... Coincidence? Maybe not.

[Nefertieh]

lol that could explain the random feelings coming out from Sasuke in 698.
 
So NS was canon in a certain point of the story but then kishimoto changed his mind? I guess it was around chapter 615. He might have seen the numbers of volume 64's sold copies. It's just around that time the production of the movie started... Coincidence? Maybe not.

Who knows? Maybe the storyboards for the most of the manga were already drawn at the time. His father did pass away quite recently, I doubt he was working on drawing the manga at the time. So the decision to make NH canon could have been even later than 615. But yes, it does explain Sasuke's sudden love for Sakura, ha.

How are you going? I just saw Chatte's post on Tumblr, it seems like someone backstabbed her and now she's going to be on a long hiatus. >.< I hope everyone else will recover soon.

They never deserved it....and they still don't.

What can I say? Maybe Kishimoto wanted to appeal to the two larger fanbases instead of one. But it seems strange to me that there are still people blaming Sakura when it looks like she was pushed away for a shoehorned NH movie.

Edited by Nefertieh, 12 November 2014 - 11:43 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That ending was the definition of perfection if you ask me.

 

 

So I didn't know when I was gonna say something regarding the ending. I took it pretty hard. Everyday and night I'm losing sleep over this and when I do wake up the first thing I think of is the ending to this once great "masterpiece". I'm still quite depressed, I haven't been eating as much, my sugar levels feel low and I've actually thrown up a few times. I didn't think some fictional story would affect me this deeply. I really need to get this off my chest and I feel obligated to contribute as I also want my voice to be heard as to why "Naruto" deserves a more justified ending. 

 

Apparently development means "meaningless space" to fill up the manga. Kishimoto built up 698 chapters of development and derailed it all in just 2 chapters. I honestly don't know whether to be impressed by that or not. It does however make me sick to my stomach however as this type of writing is just absolutely horrendous.

There was no clarity on the love triangle in Team 7. In all that development, nothing was addressed. No "Promise of a lifetime" no "Bench scene" no "Kushina's motherly advice" no "Sakura's fake smile" nothing shown on Team Taka, Orochimaru, Kabuto, yet they make Sakura's kid look exactly like Karin!? No traits from Sakura whatsoever. What was Kishimoto thinking? That he despised this ending  and tried to explain he originally had ending that made more sense and had more clarity through subtle character references?   

Sasuke has quiet literally tried to kill Sakura on multiple occasions. After putting her through a genjutsu he says to Naruto: "You want me to play at romance? I have no reason to like her and she has no reason to like me." Then in 699, out of the blue Sasuke suddenly returns Sakura's feelings and Kishimoto writes off all of Sakura's development and continues the abusive infatuation she has for Sasuke. In those whole two chapters, Sakura didn't even say anything to Naruto! The Hero and the Heroine! No interaction! The most developed pairing in the story and Kishimoto just swept it to the side unresolved hoping nobody would notice or would ask: "WHY?"

And to add salt on the wounds. Kishimoto made chapter 700 out to be like a horrible fanfiction written by some armature teenager who tried to pair up every single character up with someone else! A lot of the characters didn't even look happy! A lot didn't even accomplish their dreams. The children had really odd character designs to the point of looking like aliens. There was no explanation other than popularity as to why Naruto settled for Hinata. Even if "The Last" explains this, it only enforces the fact that Hinata's impact on the original story was miniscule! If Hinata was not as popular as she is today. I seriously doubt that Kishimoto would have ended this way. This just gives the impression that he sold out his manga to please the fans which is something both an artist and writer do when they lose respect for their own creation and fanbase.

I found the worst part of the ending was how Kishimoto depicted Sakura. Her very last scene. As a housewife.... All that training, she worked under Tsunade, One of the Legendary Sanin and even surpassed her. The best medic of medics. She's arguably one of the strongest kunoichi in "Naruto" And she's at home dusting away like everything she had previously done before had not mattered whilst raising a child by herself. Yeah great work Sasuke! You get points for being a great dad and husband. Then again Naruto didn't seem like much of a father either. Scolding his son and telling him to "suck it up, I'm the Hokage!" Minato was Hokage and he still had time for Kushina! Speaking of Kushina, Sakura in her getup in chapter 700 was depicted like Kushina, the hair clip and apron. More messages from Kishimoto? Either way, it doesn't excuse the fact of how misogynistic and sexist it is. Sidelining the heroine and female characters as always. Was Kishimoto always this bad at writing female characters or is this truly how he sees women in society? Regardless, its still disgusting! Sakura deserved way better than this. Same with Naruto, hell given that all development was destroyed in two chapters, EVERYONE deserved a much better ending.

I cannot fathom that Kishimoto had originally always intended to have an ending like this. Its almost as if chapter 699/700 were written by someone else. I had always heard rumors that Kishimoto's assistants were pushing for an ending like this? If that were true then they've just destroyed an artist's creative vision to suit their own tastes without caring whatever everyone else thought. Maybe Kishimoto thought people would only like his ending is NaruHina was end game. In which case he DID become a sell out. But if Kishimoto wanted ending like this since be began "Naruto" then why didn't he develop the story so the ending would actually make sense? Why not make Hinata the heroine and actually give her more development? Why make Naruto continue his romantic advances on Sakura when the were unresolved in the end? It doesn't add up. That fact that Kishimoto got to direct the movie "Road to Ninja" personally because he could "do things in this story that he wouldn't be able to do in the manga" just enforces the fact that NaruHina was a forced ending and was never actually intended to be the end game pairing. 

This is the epitome of bad writing.

 

The worst part about all this is that we still don't know why it ended like this. I cannot bare to stomach or even hear about Naruto losing his affectionate feelings for Sakura in "The Last". But I'm assuming we have to wait for this movie to be released to hear anything from Kishimoto. I'm desperate for some clarity. 

 

I know this may seem pretty pathetic, getting so invested in fictional material. The story meant a lot to me. I honestly didn't think it would ever end like this. With all that NaruSaku development, Minato confirming the Kushina parallel, I thought was endgame for us. I've never been so disappointed in my life.

 

Sorry if this is also late to the storm that's been going on. Its all just been really hard to swallow lately.

I'm out of likes, sorry. But yes, these posts are great.

[DarkRadeon]

Kishimoto does not know jack kitten about character development it seems

 

[lupina]

It seemed like the forehead scene, Kushina parallels and Sakura sweetly smiling at Naruto when he wasn't looking was a setup for narusaku... Which was all dropped somewhere halfway into the story.

Kishimoto's assistant's tweets basically confirmed NH was decided, but SS wasn't until quite late in the story. So I guess the SS fandom really does owe NH a big thanks.

 

When? (sorry, can't load the tweet)

[Nefertieh]

 
When? (sorry, can't load the tweet)

The Tweets are now deleted, but they are still somewhere on Tumblr. Basically, he said Naruto stopped chasing Sakura after the Pain arc, but he wasn't sure if Sasuke would return Sakura's feelings.

The part that really stung was when he said Sakura wasn't very heroine-like, echoing exactly what Kishimoto said other fans told him to an interviewer a while back. Even though he said he was going to write a Sakura arc and make her more heroine like... he didn't.

I can't help but feel like those fans really got to him, and that's why he changed his mind and turned her into a housewife.

[Elicit]

I'm 100% sure NH was decided some time after Jump Festa 2010. At some point in time after that, he had considered NaruSaku or NaruHina, but went with NaruHina due to editorial mandates.

Edited by Elicit, 12 November 2014 - 11:51 AM.

[natalieuciha]

has kishi said it himself that naruto's love for sakura is pale?..i just found out

[lupina]

The Tweets are now deleted, but they are still somewhere on Tumblr. Basically, he said Naruto stopped chasing Sakura after the Pain arc, but he wasn't sure if Sasuke would return Sakura's feelings.

The part that really stung was when he said Sakura wasn't very heroine-like, echoing exactly what Kishimoto said other fans told him to an interviewer a while back. Even though he said he was going to write a Sakura arc and make her more heroine like... he didn't.

I can't help but feel like those fans really got to him, and that's why he changed his mind and turned her into a housewife.

 

 

Ahhh - this one. Ok.

I was just curious how you came to the conclusion that NH was planned but SS decidet at the last minute.

[trang95]

has kishi said it himself that naruto's love for sakura is pale?..i just found out

No, it was just a reporter who wrote it... 

[Elicit]

has kishi said it himself that naruto's love for sakura is pale?..i just found out

Where does it say that?

[TouKen4Life3g]

has kishi said it himself that naruto's love for sakura is pale?..i just found out

No. What's stupid now is telling us Naruto is close. Yeah, but close only makes you go far apart. Thank you. I'll remember this in the future or tell my future kids that if you're close, go apart.

[Nefertieh]

has kishi said it himself that naruto's love for sakura is pale?..i just found out

He didn't. It was a blogger's opinion.

http://dattebayo--ne...terview-article

[Toasty Warrior]

So when do we get the next chapter, today or tomorrow? Oh wait...

[natalieuciha]

lol that could explain the random feelings coming out from Sasuke in 698.

 

So NS was canon in a certain point of the story but then kishimoto changed his mind? I guess it was around chapter 615. He might have seen the numbers of volume 64's sold copies. It's just around that time the production of the movie started... Coincidence? Maybe not.

kishimoto is a money thirsty kitten..i hope he chokes someday with them

[lupina]

So when do we get the next chapter, today or tomorrow? Oh wait...

 

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