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[Catwho]

As for Erza/Gray and Erza/Natsu, I've always gotten the impression that she has sort of a "big sis" relationship with both of them. Not just because she's a teensy bit older (1 year in canon for Gray) and stronger than they are, but also because of the natural hierarchy that formed within Fairy Tail. She's on the same level to them as Mirajane is in a lot of ways.

I think Mashima has gently been having Natsu act a bit more normal-teenage-boy since the Tenrou arc in preparation for something more canon with Lucy. (Him wanting to run and check on Lucy while she was showering, and Erza stopping him, is the most we've seen him treating Lucy like a female and not just a team mate since the series started. And it still makes me giggle.)

The age difference between Jellal and Erza isn't really a big deal. She's so mature and strong anyway, and it's nothing compared to Cana/Macao now (and look how many people still ship them...? although I don't know why.) So, she'd be 19, and him 26. The biggest obstacle to those two is the fact that Jellal is still an emotional wreck, but hopefully the games will give him an opportunity to mentally redeem himself.

We still don't know who had the bright idea of having him be Mystogan for the Fairy Tail B team.

[Codus N]

I guess it's a good thing though. Maybe Mashima noticed how rabid the Naruto shipping fandom was, and decided to steer clear of that after awhile. I mean, he had a perfect opportunity to stoke the flames with Lisanna's return, but there's been close to nothing between Natsu and Lisanna since she came back. It's sad, but I feel like the only thing her re-entrance accomplished was giving Juvia a partner for the S-Class Exam (and a touching moment with her siblings, of course).

Hmm... if that was Mashima's intent at the beginning, he may have shot himself in the foot with that one. When he decided to bring Lisanna back, he at first thought of fanning the flames of a shipping war in FT just for his own amusement. But maybe somebody gave him a piece of advice to NOT do that?? maybe Kishi did it??

If Kishi DID give Mashima the advice, I'll bet he felt like kicking himself when he was giving the advice to Mashima.

I still sort of ship Gray/Ultear, even if it probably won't happen. Gray/Juvia just kind of bores me. I also like Gray/Erza, despite all the Erza/Jellal stuff.

I sort of wish Jellal somehow made in to Tenrou Island before the Acnologia thing. It obviously doesn't affect the pairing at all, since Erza and Jellal are the closest the series has to a canon couple so far, but there's now a pretty significant age difference between the two. *shrug*

Me too!!! to be honest, I really prefer them over Gray/Juvia since it would provide more interesting character developments for them both. I've been toying with the idea of Gray joining CS so that he can serve under Ultear and protect his master's legacy. Think about it. Gray regretted not being able to save Ur, but with Ultear alive, he'd have a chance to redeem the mistake. Lyon might join too, I guess.

As for Erza/Gray and Erza/Natsu, I've always gotten the impression that she has sort of a "big sis" relationship with both of them. Not just because she's a teensy bit older (1 year in canon for Gray) and stronger than they are, but also because of the natural hierarchy that formed within Fairy Tail. She's on the same level to them as Mirajane is in a lot of ways.

I think Mashima has gently been having Natsu act a bit more normal-teenage-boy since the Tenrou arc in preparation for something more canon with Lucy. (Him wanting to run and check on Lucy while she was showering, and Erza stopping him, is the most we've seen him treating Lucy like a female and not just a team mate since the series started. And it still makes me giggle.)

The age difference between Jellal and Erza isn't really a big deal. She's so mature and strong anyway, and it's nothing compared to Cana/Macao now (and look how many people still ship them...? although I don't know why.) So, she'd be 19, and him 26. The biggest obstacle to those two is the fact that Jellal is still an emotional wreck, but hopefully the games will give him an opportunity to mentally redeem himself.

We still don't know who had the bright idea of having him be Mystogan for the Fairy Tail B team.

Bolded: yeah, and besides, if you want to get technical, Erza is supposed to be 26.

I guess, maybe because that event took place fairly early on in the series, I feel like we were able to see more instances of Yoko moving on, at least to some extent. But I suppose we don't know how long FT will go on for, so I suppose it's certainly possible that Erza will end up with someone else, if Jellal disappears after this arc. For some reason, though, I get the impression that Crime Sorciere, or at least just New Mystogan, will join the guild after this arc is done. But I guess we'll see.

I don't think Jellal will join FT per se, but I think Makarov might offer him an unofficial member status of FT. In order for FT & CS to be able to work together, they'd have to constantly exchange info. By using Mystogan's alias, Jellal would easily sneak in and out of FT undetected. Moreover, Makarov can assign jobs to them in case they need some cash or a place to stay.

Edited by Codus N, 22 April 2012 - 06:22 AM.

[Darth Krypt]

Me too!!! to be honest, I really prefer them over Gray/Juvia since it would provide more interesting character developments for them both. I've been toying with the idea of Gray joining CS so that he can serve under Ultear and protect his master's legacy. Think about it. Gray regretted not being able to save Ur, but with Ultear alive, he'd have a chance to redeem the mistake. Lyon might join too, I guess.

As much as I love the Gray/Ultear pairing(my favourite Gray pairing), I don't think he'll leave Fairy Tail, ever.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 22 April 2012 - 06:25 AM.

[Catwho]

And they're in the same boat as Erza/Jellal, only reversed. Ultear is now 25 and Gray is still only 18.

As Duke Orsino said in Twelfth Night: "Too old, by heaven! Let still the woman take an elder than herself; so wears she to him, so sways she level in her husband's heart. For, boy, however do we praise ourselves, our fancies are more giddy and more unfirm, more longing, wavering, sooner lost and won, than women's are."

Edited by Catwho, 22 April 2012 - 05:26 PM.

[redragon88]

As for Erza/Gray and Erza/Natsu, I've always gotten the impression that she has sort of a "big sis" relationship with both of them. Not just because she's a teensy bit older (1 year in canon for Gray) and stronger than they are, but also because of the natural hierarchy that formed within Fairy Tail. She's on the same level to them as Mirajane is in a lot of ways.

Thanks for pointing that out. This is the exact reason why I never thought of the possibility of Natsu or Gray being together with Erza. Although I do think that if Natsu got 100% serious in a fight with Erza he could win even without Dragon Force because of how Natsu's power changes depending on how strong his resolve is to win. But your point would still stand since for the majority of their lives Erza has been the strong one, so Natsu will always look up to her even if he became stronger.

I think Mashima has gently been having Natsu act a bit more normal-teenage-boy since the Tenrou arc in preparation for something more canon with Lucy. (Him wanting to run and check on Lucy while she was showering, and Erza stopping him, is the most we've seen him treating Lucy like a female and not just a team mate since the series started. And it still makes me giggle.)

Don't forget that during their supposed training they when to some hot springs and Natsu was trying to take a peek at the girls to see them naked. That also took me by surprise since it didn't seem like something he would wonder about. And then there was that bit you mentioned about him wanting to check out Lucy in the shower.

It seems it has finally happened guys, Natsu is going through puberty. Took you long enough!

The age difference between Jellal and Erza isn't really a big deal. She's so mature and strong anyway, and it's nothing compared to Cana/Macao now (and look how many people still ship them...? although I don't know why.) So, she'd be 19, and him 26. The biggest obstacle to those two is the fact that Jellal is still an emotional wreck, but hopefully the games will give him an opportunity to mentally redeem himself.

In all honesty I don't like the Erza/Jellal pair that much but in my opinion there isn't anyone else she could possibly be paired with. I guess I can't get over all the crap he pulled during the Tower of Paradise arc, even if he was just a victim of Ultear's suggestion. His redemption during the Oracion Seis arc was a little dry in my opinion, I didn't like the fact that he had his memory erased. They should have kept his memories and then shown him having a psychological breakdown for all the terrible things he did before, especially his murder of Simon. As much as I tried I could never pictured him as a victim no matter how hard I tried. He leaves me with the impression that he isn't too sorry for all the bad he did, even if that's not the case.

[Codus N]

Don't forget that during their supposed training they when to some hot springs and Natsu was trying to take a peek at the girls to see them naked. That also took me by surprise since it didn't seem like something he would wonder about. And then there was that bit you mentioned about him wanting to check out Lucy in the shower.

It seems it has finally happened guys, Natsu is going through puberty. Took you long enough!

Y'know I just wondered.... what if Lucy is the exact reason he's going through this?? think about it, in all his life, the girls around his age were Mira, Cana, Erza & Lisanna. These girls (except for Lisanna) aren't exactly your dream girls if you prefer the girly types. And then Lisanna had to disappear around his early teens. So he hasn't had a girl to really make his hormones go wild since they act more like guys.

But then Lucy came along, became his teammate, and started to make those hormones go wild during that 1 year (or 6 months) they spent time together. It was slow, but definite. Maybe that's what the omakes were for. To showcase Natsu's growing attraction and early stages of puberty. (And I think the most blatant hint was Natsu's epic tree-sized Bouquet of Love )

Mira might have become more girly-girl after Lisanna's supposed death, but she acted more motherly instead of friendly.

Anyways, I think we can definitely say that Natsu's preference in women is the girly type.

[redragon88]

Y'know I just wondered.... what if Lucy is the exact reason he's going through this?? think about it, in all his life, the girls around his age were Mira, Cana, Erza & Lisanna. These girls (except for Lisanna) aren't exactly your dream girls if you prefer the girly types. And then Lisanna had to disappear around his early teens. So he hasn't had a girl to really make his hormones go wild since they act more like guys.

But then Lucy came along, became his teammate, and started to make those hormones go wild during that 1 year (or 6 months) they spent time together. It was slow, but definite. Maybe that's what the omakes were for. To showcase Natsu's growing attraction and early stages of puberty. (And I think the most blatant hint was Natsu's epic tree-sized Bouquet of Love )

Mira might have become more girly-girl after Lisanna's supposed death, but she acted more motherly instead of friendly.

Anyways, I think we can definitely say that Natsu's preference in women is the girly type.

I really said the puberty thing more as a joke but I actually think you might have a point.

But I think it's more that he's finally found a girl in which to focus his interests as opposed to going trough puberty, as far as we know he's biologically 18 years old so he already when trough that stage a while ago.

It goes to show that Natsu is pretty strict about the type of girl he likes since he can pretty much ignore anyone else when it comes to that. This also reminds me of the most recent filler episode of Fairy Tail where some guild members commented that the only type of guy that could handle a girl like Lucy would be a pretty wild one (the animators aren't even trying to be subtle )

BTW, I also loved that omake with the cherry blossom. It goes to show that Natsu would do pretty crazy things to see Lucy smile.

Edited by redragon88, 23 April 2012 - 02:26 PM.

[Codus N]

A wild guy handling the girly-girl?? isn't it supposed to be the other way around??

[redragon88]

A wild guy handling the girly-girl?? isn't it supposed to be the other way around??

Lucy can be pretty girly but that doesn't mean she's some submissive type of girl. She's very outgoing so I'm guessing that's why they said she needed a wild guy as a boyfriend, so he can keep up as well.

[alexander]

I think Natu/Lucy was such an missed oportunity, all their nice moments aways are filler or on those special chapter. Such as when Lucy gets very flustrated by the mere thought that Natsu might like her. But then, that's just it. The matter is never brought back again after that chapter. The fact that we don't get those nice little moments kind of block the development between them.

[redragon88]

I think Natu/Lucy was such an missed oportunity, all their nice moments aways are filler or on those special chapter. Such as when Lucy gets very flustrated by the mere thought that Natsu might like her. But then, that's just it. The matter is never brought back again after that chapter. The fact that we don't get those nice little moments kind of block the development between them.

Status quo is one hell of a bastard, but it think it's starting to slowly change given what Codus and I previously discussed. Lets just keep our fingers crossed.

[Codus N]

I think Natu/Lucy was such an missed oportunity, all their nice moments aways are filler or on those special chapter. Such as when Lucy gets very flustrated by the mere thought that Natsu might like her. But then, that's just it. The matter is never brought back again after that chapter. The fact that we don't get those nice little moments kind of block the development between them.

But we do. Although they're pretty subtle and ambiguous. The PL arc was full of them, in the Edolas we had Natsu really pissed when the Edolas kingdom planned to execute her, but I think the most defining moments (yes, in plural) is that whenever Lucy feels hopeless, or broken she always uses Natsu as a shoulder to cry on. It's subtle, but I think it's because Lucy often does that, Natsu starts to latch onto the fact that there's something between her & him. Said gesture seems to symbolize how much trust Lucy has in him.

EDIT: red, agreed on the Sakura Tree Omake. To be honest, I think that is one of the Top 10 most romantic moments in manga of all time. (Even if it isn't intended to be one) I think it's definitely on par with Ed's proposal to Winry in FMA. In fact, Ed's proposal won a contest for the most original line to propose. (I bet Hagaren otakus plan to use it to propose if they do one day)

I bet a lot of FT fans wish if they had enough money, they would do the exact same thing Natsu did.

Edited by Codus N, 23 April 2012 - 02:58 PM.

[KoolKat]

You know what, i really thought that when lisanna came back that natsu and her would become a "thing" by the end of the series, but it seems like he doesn't have any interest in her. I heard that Mashima didn't want to bring her back but someone "forced" him to. Maybe thats why she and natsu dont interact more? and why she isn't really in any episodes.
I also agree, i absolutely loved the sakura tree omake. I thought it was adorable what natsu did just to make lucy happy
I don't know if any of you watch the episode for it, but it showed the whole time natsu wasn't having any fun and had a worried or sad expression on his face the whole time. I thought that was pretty cute (:

[Catwho]

As for Natsu/Lisanna, I think their relationship before she "died" was less of a romantic one and more of them "playing house" - she fulfilled the "girl next door" role from a romantic comedy standpoint, but once she was gone, Natsu was heartbroken at losing a friend, not a potential lover. I think that he did use Lucy to replace her to some extent, but that's probably because Lucy was the first girl to pique his interest from the time Lisanna disappeared.

There was potential all over the place for a nasty love triangle, but Mashima neatly sidestepped it by having Lisanna feel more or less the same way Natsu did. They're still family, in the same way that everyone in Fairy Tail is a giant family, but they really didn't have the spark even before she disappeared, and now Lucy has filled that particular role. If Natsu/Lisanna was going to have a real shot at becoming a thing, Lisanna wouldn't have been so warm and friendly to Lucy from the get go. (Actually, she's probably just grateful that Earthland's Lucy is a girly girl instead of being a dominatrix. Hah!)

As it is, Lisanna seems to harbor no ill will to Lucy over her special relationship with Natsu. That's not the direction Mashima wanted to take the story, and I'm actually fairly grateful for it.

[Super Boom]

As it is, Lisanna seems to harbor no ill will to Lucy over her special relationship with Natsu. That's not the direction Mashima wanted to take the story, and I'm actually fairly grateful for it.

Definitely this. I'm also glad Mashima decided to avoid a love triangle with those three. I don't mind love triangles if they're played for laughs (like the Gray/Juvia/Lyon one, or the imaginary Lucy/Gray/Juvia triangle), but when they go the Kishimoto route it just gets hard to deal with, both in the story and the fandom.

Also...about Lisanna --Click here to view--

[redragon88]

There's a special Fairy Tail chapter out now, posing as a Weekly Sorcerer issue, that describes the stats for each team of the Grand Magic Games (of course this is according to Jason's point of view so please don't take the numbers to seriously). Codus N mentioned this stats a little while back.

http://mangastream.c...tail/13639540/1

But why is my precious Jenny in a bikini? Not that I'm complaining but we were promised that she would pose nude for the next issue of Weekly Sorcerer, then again it says this is a supplementary issue so maybe she has to get naked for the next official edition.

Obviously whatever nudity that happens will be somehow covered like Fairy Tail has done in the past (especially with Lucy ), but what I truly want is a special chapter or omake that deals with Jenny freaking out during the photoshoot when they tell her it's time to get naked. She'll probably try to avoid it at all costs.

[Super Boom]

There's a special Fairy Tail chapter out now, posing as a Weekly Sorcerer issue, that describes the stats for each team of the Grand Magic Games (of course this is according to Jason's point of view so please don't take the numbers to seriously). Codus N mentioned this stats a little while back.

http://mangastream.c...tail/13639540/1

Ha ha ha, that was great. I loved how Lucy's "Cleavage" is off the charts, and how Laxus' special stat is "Being a boss". And I definitely LOLed at Jura's stats. 5/5 in all categories, but with a 0/5 for "Hair". It's like the poor guy's defined by his baldness.

Anyways, even though the stats are done through Jason's perspective, I think most of the serious ones are supposed to be pretty accurate. I'm not too sure about Ichiya though. Like was said earlier, he's supposed to be the Ace of Blue Pegasus, but his stats are pretty pitiful. Maybe it's measuring his base stats, and doesn't take his magical upgrade items (perfume in his case) into account? *shrug*

Also, if Laxus and Gajeel's stats are accurate, then I can't wait to see them fight. Heck, Laxus might have the highest overall stats in the tournament. I REALLY hope he doesn't end up fighting someone from FT A Team. I have a feeling he'd concede or throw the fight if that happened, sort of like Freed did during the S-Class trial. I'd love to see him annihilate one of these Raven Tail cowards.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 27 April 2012 - 03:20 AM.

[Codus N]

Ha ha ha, that was great. I loved how Lucy's "Cleavage" is off the charts, and how Laxus' special stat is "Being a boss". And I definitely LOLed at Jura's stats. 5/5 in all categories, but with a 0/5 for "Hair". It's like the poor guy's defined by his baldness.

Anyways, even though the stats are done through Jason's perspective, I think most of the serious ones are supposed to be pretty accurate. I'm not too sure about Ichiya though. Like was said earlier, he's supposed to be the Ace of Blue Pegasus, but his stats are pretty pitiful. Maybe it's measuring his base stats, and doesn't take his magical upgrade items (perfume in his case) into account? *shrug*

Also, if Laxus and Gajeel's stats are accurate, then I can't wait to see them fight. Heck, Laxus might have the highest overall stats in the tournament. I REALLY hope he doesn't end up fighting someone from FT A Team. I have a feeling he'd concede or throw the fight if that happened, sort of like Freed did during the S-Class trial. I'd love to see him annihilate one of these Raven Tail cowards.

Yup. Proof of that would be Kagura. Also, since you probably don't know, this is actually taken from the Vol.32 tankobon. The tankobon hasn't included Elfman's fight. So maybe we'll see some changes when the next volume comes out.

[redragon88]

Anyways, even though the stats are done through Jason's perspective, I think most of the serious ones are supposed to be pretty accurate. I'm not too sure about Ichiya though. Like was said earlier, he's supposed to be the Ace of Blue Pegasus, but his stats are pretty pitiful. Maybe it's measuring his base stats, and doesn't take his magical upgrade items (perfume in his case) into account? *shrug*

That actually makes a lot of sense. Take Natsu for example, his stats aren't particularly impressive and it actually looks that Gajeel and Gray are slightly stronger than him. That actually makes sense when you look at his fights. When he starts fighting against strong opponents he's shown to be outclassed at the beginning, but as the fight progresses and Natsu starts taking it more seriously his power increases a considerable amount.

Unlike Laxus, Erza and Mira; Natsu's starting power is never too high, that only happens as the fight gets more serious.

Edited by redragon88, 27 April 2012 - 04:32 PM.

[Codus N]

That's certainly an interesting conclusion It also makes sense too, when you look at Lucy's stats. Hers is probably in the lowest tier along with Ichiya, but she makes it up for her versatility & improvisation in battles.

BTW: 1000th post on the FT thread !!! This makes FT with the second most posts in the Otaku Square subforum.

Edited by Codus N, 28 April 2012 - 04:54 AM.