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[Dreamer]

Even the Taiwanese companies want cheap labor now. =/

But they made such good products. Yeah i agree on just about everything you pick up now says "made in China"

The government needs to fire American CEO's if they try moving their business or corporation over sea's.

[TheBerserkMoogle]

That's the problem, forcing a company to stay within our country can be considered "unconstituntional."

[Gravenimage]

http://news.yahoo.co...ancial_overhaul

Looks like another victory for Obama.

[Dreamer]

http://news.yahoo.co...ancial_overhaul

Looks like another victory for Obama.

The president signing his name on bills and reforms are easy but not knowing if they work until years down the road is something else.

[Strangelove]

That's the problem, forcing a company to stay within our country can be considered "unconstituntional."

What you all have to understand is that a private corporation is just as the name suggest, it is a private corporation, thus it falls into private property, govt cannot by constitutional, as well as human civil liberties "takeover" a private corp, is like Federal Agents walking in to your home and forcing you to sell them their house, or telling you that you can leave the country, but you cannot take anything that you owe with you, as it will all be confiscated by the govt. The only companies that cannot leave the United States are state monopolyzed companies like the FPL who cannot operate anywhere else except in the state of Florida. The water company, state insurance companies. While others can work in an international level like USPS, UPS, and FedEx. But they are legitimate owned by the fed so they cannot abandon their main HQ and put them in Russia.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Well-played White House Administration and Obama. Good game. GG:

http://news.yahoo.co...ism_resignation

[Nate River]

What you all have to understand is that a private corporation is just as the name suggest, it is a private corporation, thus it falls into private property, govt cannot by constitutional, as well as human civil liberties "takeover" a private corp, is like Federal Agents walking in to your home and forcing you to sell them their house, or telling you that you can leave the country, but you cannot take anything that you owe with you, as it will all be confiscated by the govt. The only companies that cannot leave the United States are state monopolyzed companies like the FPL who cannot operate anywhere else except in the state of Florida. The water company, state insurance companies. While others can work in an international level like USPS, UPS, and FedEx. But they are legitimate owned by the fed so they cannot abandon their main HQ and put them in Russia.

Corporations are not "property." It's a legal fiction created by statute and form a business organization.

[catsi563]

What you all have to understand is that a private corporation is just as the name suggest, it is a private corporation, thus it falls into private property, govt cannot by constitutional, as well as human civil liberties "takeover" a private corp, is like Federal Agents walking in to your home and forcing you to sell them their house, or telling you that you can leave the country, but you cannot take anything that you owe with you, as it will all be confiscated by the govt. The only companies that cannot leave the United States are state monopolyzed companies like the FPL who cannot operate anywhere else except in the state of Florida. The water company, state insurance companies. While others can work in an international level like USPS, UPS, and FedEx. But they are legitimate owned by the fed so they cannot abandon their main HQ and put them in Russia.

Actually the government can seize a corporation if it wants too. Ever hear of Agfa? probably not, it was a camera manufacturing company in the 1940s that was owned by german corporate owners. Agfa's united States assets were seized by the US government as enemy property.


and damn fing Fox at its controvesial best again. as usual throwing warm steaming manure at a fan and seeing who gets smeared. Then after spending the better part of 48 hours smearing Ms Sherrod and the Obama administration for racism, they spend the next 48 hours smearing the Obama adminstration for jumping the gun and I quote " for not getting all the facts straight" which is exactly what fox did in the first place.

[Nate River]

Actually the government can seize a corporation if it wants too. Ever hear of Agfa? probably not, it was a camera manufacturing company in the 1940s that was owned by german corporate owners. Agfa's united States assets were seized by the US government as enemy property.

I'll have to go back and re-read it, but that ability is not absolute. Truman tried to and got rebuffed by the Supreme Court in Youngstown Co. v. Sawyer. Actually, looking at it, he tried to seize the facilities and run it himself
during the Korean War.

and damn fing Fox at its controvesial best again. as usual throwing warm steaming manure at a fan and seeing who gets smeared. Then after spending the better part of 48 hours smearing Ms Sherrod and the Obama administration for racism, they spend the next 48 hours smearing the Obama adminstration for jumping the gun and I quote " for not getting all the facts straight" which is exactly what fox did in the first place.

Seems to me both Fox and Obama screwed this up (and Andrew Breitbart who I think originally posted the video). If Fox is such a right-wing, biased. etc. etc., why would the administration make a reactionary firing from a source they don't trust?

Speaking of screw ups....

http://dailycaller.c...eremiah-wright/

http://dailycaller.c...-down-fox-news/

Whoops.

[catsi563]

oh both sides did almost certianly. teh Naacp, the administration, all fo them. they jumped way to soon and didnt get all the facts.

They let the racist boogey man get to them, and went all crazy. Breitbart is as guilty as anyone in this ((more so)), hes consitently manipulated things since the beginning of the Obama administration, and this latest farce is jsut the tip of the iceberg. this is the basic equivalent of someone in Salem massachusetts screaming Witch!! then watching everyone run around and burn a woman at the stake, and only after shes toast does the person stand up and say "oops it was just a joke."

this was a ploy by bretbart to cause a mess and damn if it didnt succeed. he yelled racist in a crowed theater and she got trampled for it.

what angers me more though is the hypocrisy in foxes reporting of it, and in breitbarts defence of it. Not I grant you that other outlets arent as guilty but still it was fox that pushed it as hard as it was, and fox which turned a 180 and shamelessly now rip the administration for the very crap they jsut did themselves.

[Insurrection]

To borrow the words of a wise alien.

[catsi563]

Yep it was. and unfortunately everyone and their mothers fell right into it.

[Codus N]

http://news.yahoo.co...slim-advocates

Seriously, this is taking everything of me not to & go on a murderous rage against the hard-line rights. But I'm glad there are still some high-ranking officials that are defending their rights like the NY mayor (hats off to you sir!! ). I don't just blame Palin for this or Bush the donkey or any other of those hard-line right wing jackasses, I also blame the bearded f****t that is Bin Laden.

I agree with the Muslim advocate saying Imams should be kept a close eye upon & certified. And I'm a Muslim saying this too. Seriously, when will they realize they're just making it worse?? do they even realize what it means to be human?? if not, then they're just monkeys.

Being human is about overcoming pains, struggles, fears & traumas. They're just being stuck in the past and not even trying to move forward. Moving forward and leaving behind the past. There's no use in using up your energy for something that isn't even there in front of you. The thing that you should look forward to is the thing that will keep you moving forward one step at a time. Not something that'll just drag you back to your fears &pasts. America was once touted as the land of freedom with no discrimination or oppression towards any kind of society. Now it's degenerated into this? what a shame.

I know, I know that not all of you guys are like this. But the increasing numbers is the one that has my attention.

[Strangelove]

This is the reason why religion has to be kept separate from government. To prevent government favoritism of certain beliefs over others.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

-First Amendment

Edited by Strangelove, 23 July 2010 - 06:52 PM.

[Insurrection]

Being human is about overcoming pains, struggles, fears & traumas. They're just being stuck in the past and not even trying to move forward. Moving forward and leaving behind the past. There's no use in using up your energy for something that isn't even there in front of you. The thing that you should look forward to is the thing that will keep you moving forward one step at a time. Not something that'll just drag you back to your fears &pasts. America was once touted as the land of freedom with no discrimination or oppression towards any kind of society. Now it's degenerated into this? what a shame.

I know, I know that not all of you guys are like this. But the increasing numbers is the one that has my attention.

HA!!!! Sorry but just it's just funny that you say that we're once touted as the land of freedom with no discrimination or oppression? Seriously have you seen our history? We've been discriminatory towards all groups in cycles. This is nothing new in the United States, but we've improved. So don't be shocked that I'm offended that you believe that you think we've degraded in society it's just a continuous cycle of old wounds in troubled times. We're not perfect, but neither is Indonesia.

Trust me there are even more people who think that the issue is stupid. I don't see growing numbers of people, they were just the people who were waiting for an excuse.

Edited by Insurrection, 23 July 2010 - 11:01 PM.

[Nee-sama]

HA!!!! Sorry but just it's just funny that you say that we're once touted as the land of freedom with no discrimination or oppression? Seriously have you seen our history? We've been discriminatory towards all groups in cycles. This is nothing new in the United States, but we've improved. So don't be shocked that I'm offended that you believe that you think we've degraded in society it's just a continuous cycle of old wounds in troubled times. We're not perfect, but neither is Indonesia.

Trust me there are even more people who think that the issue is stupid. I don't see growing numbers of people, they were just the people who were waiting for an excuse.

Exactly. These protesters aren't still mourning the victims of 9/11, they are simply bigots. Now that they see other people expressing the views they've always felt, they are only too happy to step out and join them.

And even though Congress has to abide by the first amendment, the sentiment of these protesters is that America is a Christian nation. They don't want mosques in their towns because that would lead people away from the God-fearing white America that they treasure. Just look at all the American flags being carried on one half of the picture from that article. The people on the other half of the picture are just as American, but instead of flags they're waving peace signs.

[catsi563]

well i know im a bit in the minority here and some of you may be surprised at this But Im agaisnt a mosque being built near ground zero.

Now before you totally blow your mind over this hear my reasoning.

I have nothing against muslim, and though im a fimr supporter of israel i believe that the muslim world has it within its power to insure that peace reigns if it can get the small but violent and loud minority of extremists under control.

Now in regards to this issue, the problem to me is not that a mosque is near ground zero. As I understand it the building in question is alreayd used as one. this is not an issue to me and I can see a picture of solidarity and tolerance with it there.

butt he issue at hand for me is that the supporters want to take this historic building and rebuild it into a large fancy mosque with all sorts of bells and whistles on it.

right now the building is a tasteful and normal house of worship. But with this plan it would become a large overbearing symbol of muslim worship and this is in bad taste to me.

To me its the equivalent of building a Nazi memorial right on top of Auschwitz, or a KKK center near a center of black civil rights. It falls along the same lines as those lunatics that protest at the funerals of service men and women because they say that america tolerates gays. Hell it would be analogous to building a statue of the enola gay near hiroshima and Nagasaki complete with Atomic bombs.

building this mosque in the form planned by its supporters would be a slap in the face to those who lost loved ones on 9/11. It would be a very bad decision and in bad taste.

I want to emphasize that for effect. In the form planned by its supporters not that its a mosque, but that they plan on making it a highly visual statement that it is a clear muslim symbol of worship.

and this is supposed to be built near the site of one of the worst attacks perpetrated by muslim terrorists in the history of the united states.

Lets be real here. if the Israelis began to build a big fantastic looking synagogue near the temple mount or a similar muslim site. Theyre would be utter and furious outrage on many sides.

this wouldnt make it any more right to build it, but the arguments we'd see would be the same.

I think personally the supporters should re-look at this plan and seek to have the building quietly and carefully restored and rebuilt as a respectful house of worship with which the muslim world can show it is ready to stand side by side in peace.

But dont try and justify building what amounts to a bright shiney tackey muslim chuck-e-cheese near a solemn site like ground zero. it would undermine the very peace they want, and would raise a big fat target on the mosque itself.

[Dreamer]

I agree with you Catsi, they should just build a new world trade center with better structural beams or a stone monument.

[Insurrection]

I'd only agree with a mosque being built under certain conditions however from the way it sounds to be flagrant about it as you state catsi then there is no place for it. It's not out of intolerance, its out of respect that they shouldn't place it there.

I would build two new superior towers as well, it sends a greater message.

Edited by Insurrection, 24 July 2010 - 02:54 AM.

[Codus N]

well i know im a bit in the minority here and some of you may be surprised at this But Im agaisnt a mosque being built near ground zero.

Now before you totally blow your mind over this hear my reasoning.

I have nothing against muslim, and though im a fimr supporter of israel i believe that the muslim world has it within its power to insure that peace reigns if it can get the small but violent and loud minority of extremists under control.

Now in regards to this issue, the problem to me is not that a mosque is near ground zero. As I understand it the building in question is alreayd used as one. this is not an issue to me and I can see a picture of solidarity and tolerance with it there.

butt he issue at hand for me is that the supporters want to take this historic building and rebuild it into a large fancy mosque with all sorts of bells and whistles on it.

right now the building is a tasteful and normal house of worship. But with this plan it would become a large overbearing symbol of muslim worship and this is in bad taste to me.

To me its the equivalent of building a Nazi memorial right on top of Auschwitz, or a KKK center near a center of black civil rights. It falls along the same lines as those lunatics that protest at the funerals of service men and women because they say that america tolerates gays. Hell it would be analogous to building a statue of the enola gay near hiroshima and Nagasaki complete with Atomic bombs.

building this mosque in the form planned by its supporters would be a slap in the face to those who lost loved ones on 9/11. It would be a very bad decision and in bad taste.

I want to emphasize that for effect. In the form planned by its supporters not that its a mosque, but that they plan on making it a highly visual statement that it is a clear muslim symbol of worship.

and this is supposed to be built near the site of one of the worst attacks perpetrated by muslim terrorists in the history of the united states.

Lets be real here. if the Israelis began to build a big fantastic looking synagogue near the temple mount or a similar muslim site. Theyre would be utter and furious outrage on many sides.

this wouldnt make it any more right to build it, but the arguments we'd see would be the same.

I think personally the supporters should re-look at this plan and seek to have the building quietly and carefully restored and rebuilt as a respectful house of worship with which the muslim world can show it is ready to stand side by side in peace.

But dont try and justify building what amounts to a bright shiney tackey muslim chuck-e-cheese near a solemn site like ground zero. it would undermine the very peace they want, and would raise a big fat target on the mosque itself.

Ok, I nearly with your statement catsi, but after counting to 10, I can see where you're going. *inhales* *exhales* all right,so what you're saying is that you fear of it being too pompous and a bit over-the-top design?? Ok, that's fine. I think that you want us to create some sort of solidarity/tribute to the victims alongside with building it? y'know, creating something like a memorial plaque to them around the Mosque area?? that's fine. If you agree to that, If I were there I'd be more than happy to oblige. I deeply respect & sympathize for the victims. I'm glad that you're responding in a very calm manner with very good stuff to back it up.

@Insurrection: yeah, I know but a lot of people see you (America) that way. Why else do you guys get a lot of immigrants?

EDIT: LOL, I just realized my post is the 1000th one.

Edited by Newkerz, 25 July 2010 - 09:43 AM.