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[Arcticfox]

trust me I feel the sameway... something tells me it's going to be a back n forth thing until it just clicks. But isnt just typical romance your like ya ya ya ok ah no! you idiot then you laugh. At least the creator is drawing on a growing romance then the too off them madly in love with each other

[Chidori Mistress]

Hinata does knows Naruto's lonliness. only reason she has to reached out much to him because of her shyness. and she is not on his team plus he was away for 2 and half years. she reached out to him lots of time of you look at the times thay have talk like the fight with neji and stuff atfer it. she did help back up easyed his troubles about his fight with neji and told him he is strong. hinata only gets to leave the house to go on missons or train. because she was almost kidnaped once. and sakura did not even believe at first that naruto saved her from gaara. and sasuke had to make her get that naruto really did save her. she thought naruto was dum and weak and a pests. yeah i would smile to if someone i was mean to all the time saved my life from somthing that was stronger than any of them at the time. and the fanfic is to show how naruto would be if he just gave up after all the pain he had to deal with. sakura always had someone there for her so did sasuke. hinata and naruto had no one.

So is that Hinata's fault? Yes Hinata hasn't done much since the Chuuin Exams doesn't mean that her chances with Naruto are slim. People assume Naruto would be with Sakura because she's the leading lady and her BUNCH of screentime. If you pay attention to the Chuuin arc in N1, Hinata was looked down on by her father and paid more attention to Hanabi, the only thing Sakura was looked down on was her forehead. So of course Hinata knows how Naruto feels to be alone. Why wouldn't she if Kishimoto didn't use her BG as a motive from Naruto's?

*sighs* why does Sakura come up a discussion about Hinata?
Btw this is some people's thoughts on how hinata dealt with naruto's lonliness.

[MagusKyros]

*sighs* why does Sakura come a discussion about Hinata?
Btw this is some people's thoughts on how hinata dealt with naruto's lonliness.

It's why people should just avoid debating about pairings from now on out. It's senseless to argue with people who don't even want to understand why we think Naruto and Sakura should be together.

For example, "People assume Naruto would be with Sakura because she's the leading lady and her BUNCH of screentime."

Really, that's not what we've been arguing; however, the amount of screentime the two have together, and the fact that Sakura is one of Naruto's first friends plays a lot into their relationship.

"People assume that Hinata should be with Naruto because she idolizes him and was one of the first people to see him in a positive light."

Yeah

[Daidoji_Tangen]

Hinata does knows Naruto's lonliness. only reason she has to reached out much to him because of her shyness. and she is not on his team plus he was away for 2 and half years. she reached out to him lots of time of you look at the times thay have talk like the fight with neji and stuff atfer it. she did help back up easyed his troubles about his fight with neji and told him he is strong. hinata only gets to leave the house to go on missons or train. because she was almost kidnaped once. and sakura did not even believe at first that naruto saved her from gaara. and sasuke had to make her get that naruto really did save her. she thought naruto was dum and weak and a pests. yeah i would smile to if someone i was mean to all the time saved my life from somthing that was stronger than any of them at the time. and the fanfic is to show how naruto would be if he just gave up after all the pain he had to deal with. sakura always had someone there for her so did sasuke. hinata and naruto had no one.

1. No, she doesn't. Like Mizura said in her essay, she thought he was fine.

Hinata has plenty of family. And I would bet despite his coldness and disappointment in her, her dad does love her.

2. She is not paralzing shy. Give her some credit.

Naruto was on the brink when Iruka saved him and admitted during the Gaara battle that he almost became like Gaara. Actually, that he would have if not for Iruka and Team 7.

If she realized he was this bad, why did she do nothing? Again, she is not crippling shy. Otherwise she would not be able to come out of her house.

3. If by lots of times, they mean 3, then yeah.

4. Where do they get that she's not allowed outside of the house? She's no longer 3. If they were that worried about her, then they wouldn't allow her to go missions.

"Hinata, you can't go to the Ramen stand because you might get knapped. Now go alseep early tonight because you got that life-threatening mission tommorrow."

5. Well, Sakura didn't know about the Kyuubi, and saw Sasuke perform a techique that broke through Gaara's unbreakable defense.

So, when you think about it, with her knowledge, she accepted that Naruto saved her pretty quickly.

6. It's called charcter development. Just because a character believes something about someone doesn't mean they'll always believe.

Otherwise, show where Sakura thinks Naruto is a pest or weak in the last hundred chapters.

7. Unless the fanfic is written by Kishimoto, then it's imaginary.

8. Hinata had plenty of people. Her clan. Her mom (possibly). Her sister (despite fan fictions, there's no hint that Hanabi has a bad relationship with her). Even her dad (twice when her safety is threaten, he's the one there to protect her, the only time he was during the Chunin pliminaries).

Sasuke's whole family was murdered by his brother.

There's a reason Kishimoto paints Naruto and Sasuke's bond as one of lonliness and not Naruto and Hinata's.

So is that Hinata's fault? Yes Hinata hasn't done much since the Chuuin Exams doesn't mean that her chances with Naruto are slim. People assume Naruto would be with Sakura because she's the leading lady and her BUNCH of screentime. If you pay attention to the Chuuin arc in N1, Hinata was looked down on by her father and paid more attention to Hanabi, the only thing Sakura was looked down on was her forehead. So of course Hinata knows how Naruto feels to be alone. Why wouldn't she if Kishimoto didn't use her BG as a motive from Naruto's?

1. No. It's Kishimoto's fault since he has repeatedly refused to delop NaruHina when he's got the chance.

2. It's the bunch of development that counts.

3. Actually, if this person paid attention to the Chunin Exams, they would have realized that only her dad (and the Branch family, but she realized it wasn't personal) looked down upon her while Sakura was made fun of by all the girls except Ino.

There was no hint people outside of the clan gave Hinata any trouble.

4. He used the loser background. Not the lonliness background.

[Mizura]

Indeed. Kishimoto uses very simple structures for the characters that interact with Naruto:
1. Find a common-ish theme with Naruto.
2. Create character from that theme (and not the other way around!)
3. Character gets converted to Naruto's POV on the theme.
4. The end. The character eventually wins a few fights (or not).

In order to avoid overlapping and thus repetition of theme, Kishimoto always makes sure that the resulting characters don't ever have any influence on Naruto's Other aspects:
- Neji and Konohamaru won't even think about jinchuurikis
- Gaara won't influence Naruto's views on the Sasuke aspect, and he's one of the people thematically closest to Naruto!
- and yes, this means Hinata won't have any impact on the loneliness aspect.

At best they'll do the shounen thing and fight a bit. They won't sit down and talk to Naruto on things they know nothing about.

For loneliness, Naruto made it pretty clear who did have an impact: Iruka and team 7. People who made him not so lonely by you know, sticking around and interacting with him.

Geez. >_<

[Chidori Mistress]

This is rich.

hinata did see theloneliness of naruto because she had that same loneliness he had.hinata in all has only got to talk to naruto for 2 hours in all the little amount of screen time she had. she has tryed to make naruto feel better before she gave him the cream when he beat kiba. sakura did not even ask if he was ok. sakura did not think it was true that naruto was the one who beat haku when kakashi was the one that told her. she even made naruto promised to bring sasuke back. i know your going to say he want too to but a promise is lot more to naruto than anything. he made had to killed sasuke to beat him so he would not get killed his self. sakura had two people she likes. one is sasuke the other is sai. and sasuke started to have the same feeling sakura had for him when he left that part of the reason why he left he thougth his feeling for her was making him weak.how much time has thay showed hinata with her team just hanging out. just with them?
it is more than one type of loneliness one type having know friends
other types are having no mom or dad. having body to care about you. not to listen to you troubles. having no one to talk too having no one to accept you for you. having no one believe in you. have no one to love and to love you back like boyfriend and girlfriend.

[gamerman_007]

My eyes burn from the violation of proper sentence creation and the terrible logic!

[Chidori Mistress]

My eyes burn from the violation of proper sentence creation and the terrible logic!

Lolz! Tell me about it!
Is it my eyes burning or does it say the two people Sakura has liked is Sai and Sasuke?

[Daidoji_Tangen]

hinata did see theloneliness of naruto because she had that same loneliness he had.hinata in all has only got to talk to naruto for 2 hours in all the little amount of screen time she had. she has tryed to make naruto feel better before she gave him the cream when he beat kiba. sakura did not even ask if he was ok. sakura did not think it was true that naruto was the one who beat haku when kakashi was the one that told her. she even made naruto promised to bring sasuke back. i know your going to say he want too to but a promise is lot more to naruto than anything. he made had to killed sasuke to beat him so he would not get killed his self. sakura had two people she likes. one is sasuke the other is sai. and sasuke started to have the same feeling sakura had for him when he left that part of the reason why he left he thougth his feeling for her was making him weak.how much time has thay showed hinata with her team just hanging out. just with them?
it is more than one type of loneliness one type having know friends
other types are having no mom or dad. having body to care about you. not to listen to you troubles. having no one to talk too having no one to accept you for you. having no one believe in you. have no one to love and to love you back like boyfriend and girlfriend.

1. Really? Hinata was despised as a monster by the entire village? She could see herself becoming a psychipathic monster like Gaara? I must have missed that. Chapter number please.

2. What is this person reading? Sakura was cheering the whole match for Naruto and getting really into. So into it she felt a thrill by him winning. Nor can I find anywhere Sakura doesn't believe Kakashi saying Naruto beat Haku.

3. Naruto made the Promise of a Lifetime out of his own free will. Sakura did ask him to get Sasuke back, but she never asked him to promise.

4. The grammar is so bad I don't know what they're talking about in the sentence with Sasuke and killed.

5. Again, are they reading the same manga as us? When has she shown romantic inclinations towards Sai? Kohanamaru's jutsu? Sexual attraction doesn't equal romance. Nor does it mean someone can't have romantic inclinations towards someone else.

Also, there may be no sexual attraction towards Sai. It simply could be the hotness of the yaoi scene. Maybe more affective could mean she wants NaruSasu or SasuShika.

6. He also had thought his feelings for Naruto were making him weak. Does that mean he loves Naruto too (Team 7 triad fans getting their dream)?

Or could it be he sees Sakura as a sister or through the Team 7 bond (he thought of her and Naruto during the good-bye scene, so I think we can rule out a special connection with Sakura).

7. How many times does it show Shino hanging out with his friends? He must know the pain of a junchuuriki too.

For the record, one time (hanging out with Kiba before and during the Chunin match). Which when you take into consideration how minor of a charcter she is, is pretty good.

8. Naruto knew all of those. Hinata knew none.

Does Hinata even say lonliness at all?

[Nate River]

Sure, why not.

Oh, and be careful not to get carried away here, remember not to insult the poster and don't bash.

Hinata does knows Naruto's lonliness. only reason she has to reached out much to him because of her shyness. and she is not on his team plus he was away for 2 and half years. she reached out to him lots of time of you look at the times thay have talk like the fight with neji and stuff atfer it. she did help back up easyed his troubles about his fight with neji and told him he is strong. hinata only gets to leave the house to go on missons or train. because she was almost kidnaped once. and sakura did not even believe at first that naruto saved her from gaara. and sasuke had to make her get that naruto really did save her. she thought naruto was dum and weak and a pests. yeah i would smile to if someone i was mean to all the time saved my life from somthing that was stronger than any of them at the time. and the fanfic is to show how naruto would be if he just gave up after all the pain he had to deal with. sakura always had someone there for her so did sasuke. hinata and naruto had no one.

How does any of that prove she knows his lonliness? I She admired him and the reasons she kept pinning after him were all related to her desire to be like him. Everything I saw, says that, I can't think of a single even where she identifies with that lonliness or where she empathizes with it. If this poster thinks otherwise, they can site it. Otherwise, this doesn't proven anything regarding his loneliness.

That she talked to him before the Neji fight doesn't prove it either. Sakura had already started treating him better well before the fight against Gaara. Check out the rest of the chuunin exams, there are a whole host of examples of Sakura treating Naruto as something more than a pest. Her thanking Sasuke says more about what she wished for and believed about Sasuke than it does about her opinion of Naruto's weakness.

Except one of the hall marks of Naruto's character is that he doesn't give up. Sasuke did not always have someone there for him, at least in a meaningful sense. Fangirls wanted him because of apperance and ability, they new nothing of him personally and weren't there for him in any meaningful sense.This was his own doing to a degree, but he did not always have someone.

There is no proof that she had no one. That her father and sister looked down on her doesn't prove that everyone else did or that she had no one. Would I be surprised to learn she didn't? No, not really. But there is no evidence she was lonely. Her pain was that of a loser not loneliness. That she was lonely too is conjecture.

So is that Hinata's fault? Yes Hinata hasn't done much since the Chuuin Exams doesn't mean that her chances with Naruto are slim. People assume Naruto would be with Sakura because she's the leading lady and her BUNCH of screentime. If you pay attention to the Chuuin arc in N1, Hinata was looked down on by her father and paid more attention to Hanabi, the only thing Sakura was looked down on was her forehead. So of course Hinata knows how Naruto feels to be alone. Why wouldn't she if Kishimoto didn't use her BG as a motive from Naruto's?

One Magus is right, and this statement mischaracterizes what we are actually saying. Moreover, poster says that like it's irrelevant. Screen time is essential for meaningful interaction. If Hinata never has any screentime then she won't have any additional interactions with anyone, let alone meaningful ones with Naruto.

You're assuming she does, not proving it. Cite chapters, scenes and the like where she actually complains of that loneliness or identifies with it.

hinata did see theloneliness of naruto because she had that same loneliness he had.hinata in all has only got to talk to naruto for 2 hours in all the little amount of screen time she had. she has tryed to make naruto feel better before she gave him the cream when he beat kiba. sakura did not even ask if he was ok. sakura did not think it was true that naruto was the one who beat haku when kakashi was the one that told her. she even made naruto promised to bring sasuke back. i know your going to say he want too to but a promise is lot more to naruto than anything. he made had to killed sasuke to beat him so he would not get killed his self. sakura had two people she likes. one is sasuke the other is sai. and sasuke started to have the same feeling sakura had for him when he left that part of the reason why he left he thougth his feeling for her was making him weak.how much time has thay showed hinata with her team just hanging out. just with them?
it is more than one type of loneliness one type having know friends
other types are having no mom or dad. having body to care about you. not to listen to you troubles. having no one to talk too having no one to accept you for you. having no one believe in you. have no one to love and to love you back like boyfriend and girlfriend.

That she gave him cream doesn't prove loneliness, it's concern and says nothing of loneliness.

What do they mean "likes"? Crush of Friendship. I presume the former because it's very evident in Part 2 she has more than two friends. But in the latter case, since when has she ever liked Sai like that?

That they haven't shown her hanging out with her team doesn't prove loneliness. If fact from what we've seen so far it appears they all care about her. Your misconstruing her absence as proof of loneliness, when what it really speaks to is her (and Team 8's) relevance in the story. Such scene's aren't shown because that aren't important and there is no need to do so.

Next, Sasuke's feeling for Naruto were as much, if not more so, the reason he left. There is no evidence that he was returning her feelings in the romantic sense. He cared for her, sure, but I can't recall seeing anything that he was returning those feelings in the way she wanted him too.

As I said before, prove she doesn't have any of that and I'd be willing to accept that point, otherwise I will not.

[Derock]

Here's my thoughts, that supposed to be posted earlier but got canned:

Oh let me take a shot at this:

hinata did see theloneliness of naruto because she had that same loneliness he had.hinata in all has only got to talk to naruto for 2 hours in all the little amount of screen time she had. she has tryed to make naruto feel better before she gave him the cream when he beat kiba. sakura did not even ask if he was ok.

Ok... how on earth can Sakura ask Naruto if he was ok after he WON the match with Kiba? During that time, she was cheering him on. It makes NO sense for Sakura to ask him if he's okay... the only way she can say this IF Naruto actually lost... And when the hell did Hinata had talked to Naruto for 2 hours? All she did was "watching" him... and talk to him to regain his confidence for the match with Neji.

sakura did not think it was true that naruto was the one who beat haku when kakashi was the one that told her. she even made naruto promised to bring sasuke back. i know your going to say he want too to but a promise is lot more to naruto than anything. he made had to killed sasuke to beat him so he would not get killed his self.

...This absolutely make no sense...

sakura had two people she likes. one is sasuke the other is sai. and sasuke started to have the same feeling sakura had for him when he left that part of the reason why he left he thougth his feeling for her was making him weak.how much time has thay showed hinata with her team just hanging out. just with them?

Now... I gonna rant about this.
1) Yes Sakura still likes Sasuke (we still not sure her feelings for him now) but when did she has romantic feelings for Sai? Sakura only views Sai as a teammate/friend (recently and she kick his ass 2 times and she said he's an unemotional person.. and I can't remember what she said to Ino when they were talking about Sai) and if this guy/girl said this based on the scene when Konohamaru used the Double Knock-out Sexy Guy Version Jutsu on her to reveal her perverted side... :rolleyes:

2) Now on Sasuke's side...

Sasuke views Sakura as a friend. He didn't have romantic feelings for Sakura because she was interfering with his quest on revenge and power (also the fact that he STILL knows that she was one of the fangirls, too). Thats why he called her annoying. And on top of that, there was no such thing for Sasuke left because his feelings for her made him weak. Seeing Naruto getting stronger and better (look at the hospital fight scene), plus getting pwned by Itachi, gave him the option to leave. And 2 years later, Sasuke STILL have no interest in her... One interaction from the manga, recent:

(at the destruction site of Orochimaru's lair)
Sasuke: "Oi, its Sakura."

Sakura: (turn her head and has a surprise look on her face) "S..Sasu..ke.. -kun!"

That was it. No more interaction between the two. Plus he was about to attack her. And he had said he will kill Naruto and others if they interfere with his plan of vengence.

3) Is this person for real? Hinata is a SUPPORT character: like Lee, Neji, and even Gaara, not one of the main characters... Thats why she doesn't have that much screentime. She's under the catagory of a 2nd or 3rd Tier character.

[Chidori Mistress]

Nice points here.
Here are some replies.

Being bullied by kids because of your forehead isn't as bad as a father who calls you a failure and think you're not strong enough to become the Heir of the Clan and focus on someone else. The chapter of Hinata's fight with Neji is enough prove to know that. And yes, Iruka and Team acknowledged Naruto, but Hinata was the first person who saw Naruto more than a goofy prankster with the worst grades in the Academy. Sakura was never rejected for being a failure and neither did Sasuke since he was the most popular guy in school and came from a famous Clan to be accepted. He know that most NaruHina moments were fillers, that's why we find it unfair for Kishimoto to make Hinata's BG to love Naruto and yet has done little to the subject.

Most NaruHina who find it "cute" isn't as different as some NaruSaku fans like the couple because Hinata isn't a major character. There are more NaruSaku moments than NaruHina, therefore, people think NaruSaku will automatically happen. But it has an equal chance since Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. But compared to Sasuke, Sakura, and Hinata, Hinata is the only one who can relate to Naruto best. She does have a family, but not a very close one.

that line upsets me.(the one I bolded) I can't believe people think that.

She did know he was lonely. heres proof. If you don't want to watch the whole thing skip to 7:00 and watch till 8:20. Heres what she said throughout that flashback: "Always alone. No one watching him. No one helping him. No one cared what happened to him. No one respected him. No one even acknowledged him." So yes. She knew he was alone.

Dub Warning :excl: for those who can't stand it.
Also I believe this person has missed the point.

she like naruto long as the 3rd and Iruka. she cared about naruto from the age of 5 he looks like.

[Mizura]

that's why we find it unfair for Kishimoto to make Hinata's BG to love Naruto and yet has done little to the subject.

*twitch*

Last I checked, Hinata's background was not "to love Naruto," but to prove that "people can change if they stand up for themselves," which she did just fine against Neji. >_>

She did know he was lonely. heres proof.

Ugh. Besides missing the point, that wasn't even canon!



And we have no idea how old she was. We just know that she didn't do anything to help him. From what I can tell:
- first she perceived him as a kindred spirit that didn't get acknowledged (whereas she sought to be acknowledged by her father)
- then she was busy admiring how good he is at getting back up on his own

So much so that she didn't even Think of reaching out to him, because she thought her help not needed (when in fact, he Did need someone to reach to him). Some say she was just too shy. But her shyness isn't That crippling, and has no reason to when it comes to oh... helping someone else, and she has never even showed that she Wanted to reach to his pain of loneliness. In fact, she didn't even realize that he was Suffering from the pain of loneliness.

This just isn't part of her character design. The loneliness aspect got covered by Gaara and Sasuke instead.

[Daidoji_Tangen]

I just realized something. This person talked bad about Sakura not believing in Naruto, but during the biggest NaruHina moment there is, Hinata said Naruto MIGHT beat Neji.

The rest of her speech was basically, even if you lose, you'll be fine because you have confidence in yourself.

So, while it's nice she gave him a pick up, she wasn't quite so sure of his ability either.

EDIT:

Being bullied by kids because of your forehead isn't as bad as a father who calls you a failure and think you're not strong enough to become the Heir of the Clan and focus on someone else. The chapter of Hinata's fight with Neji is enough prove to know that. And yes, Iruka and Team acknowledged Naruto, but Hinata was the first person who saw Naruto more than a goofy prankster with the worst grades in the Academy. Sakura was never rejected for being a failure and neither did Sasuke since he was the most popular guy in school and came from a famous Clan to be accepted. He know that most NaruHina moments were fillers, that's why we find it unfair for Kishimoto to make Hinata's BG to love Naruto and yet has done little to the subject.

Most NaruHina who find it "cute" isn't as different as some NaruSaku fans like the couple because Hinata isn't a major character. There are more NaruSaku moments than NaruHina, therefore, people think NaruSaku will automatically happen. But it has an equal chance since Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. But compared to Sasuke, Sakura, and Hinata, Hinata is the only one who can relate to Naruto best. She does have a family, but not a very close one.

1. Argueable. Torment from your peers can mess you just as bad as coldness fron your father (again, we don't know the mom relationship or even the Hanabi relationship).

2. What good does it do to realize something and not do anything?

If Hinata noticed Naruto was suffering so much that he admits later on he could have easily into a pyschopathic monster like Gaara was if not for Iruka and Team 7, then does that make her?

If people want to argue that, then ask them why do they think she deserves him? In this scenerio, she was worse than Sakura. Much worse.

Sakura was an ignorant twelve year old who thought Naruto had it good having no parents to boss him around and that he picked on her.

In this scenerio, Hinata saw the true sufferings of a boy being pushed to madness by the hatefullness of the entire village and did nothing. Is shyness really an excuse to let the one you "love" go mad in the pain of lonliness? Especially when Sakura can't be forgiven for her actions to Naruto in the begining of the manga?

3. How is Kishimoto being unfair? Mizura said it perfectly. Hinata's theme is to change oneself. Not to be Naruto's girlfriend.

4. So, Naruto should go with a girl he's had less development with? That makes alot of sense.

5. Can this person prove that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke? Show any kind of evidence?

6. Not having a family and having a father who is distant from you are two VERY different things.

And so far, we can only say it's Hinata's father. I don't recall any scene or mention that implies a bad relationship with Hanabi. There is mention of their dad favoring Hanabi, but that wouldn't cause a bad relationship unless Hinata is jealous (doubtful), or their dad tries to turn her against Hinata (also doubtful since he is shown being cold, not hateful towards Hinata).

As for her mom, Kishimoto doesn't introduce alot of characters parents like Sakura's a main character who we both know are still alive at the start of the series (and likely still are since there is no mention of death). I don't see a reason for her to attend the Chunnin Exam (Haishi only went to watch Neji and brought Hanabi along so she could watch him). She could have stayed home for any number of reasons. She could be dead, but there is no proof either way.

[Arcticfox]

I smell something burning

[Chidori Mistress]

I just realized something. This person talked bad about Sakura not believing in Naruto, but during the biggest NaruHina moment there is, Hinata said Naruto MIGHT beat Neji.

The rest of her speech was basically, even if you lose, you'll be fine because you have confidence in yourself.

So, while it's nice she gave him a pick up, she wasn't quite so sure of his ability either.

Oh yeah.
that's true, that completely slipped my mind.
Thank you.

[Derock]

And yes, Iruka and Team 7 acknowledged Naruto, but Hinata was the first person who saw Naruto more than a goofy prankster with the worst grades in the Academy. Sakura was never rejected for being a failure and neither did Sasuke since he was the most popular guy in school and came from a famous Clan to be accepted. He know that most NaruHina moments were fillers, that's why we find it unfair for Kishimoto to make Hinata's BG to love Naruto and yet has done little to the subject.

By golly... thats is why they ARE fillers. And plus, Kishimoto said that Hinata (her theme and purpose in the series) is for the theme of believing yourself, to gain confidence. And what about Naruto's view of the matter of loneliness? From him, only Iruka, Team 7 (and the Sandaime Hokage who wasn't mentioned) acknowledged him... Hinata TRIED but didn't make a move...

And the word "Unfair"... you people need to calm down seriously. Kishi did had the time to developed NaruHina but... I believed he thought thats was not important to the storyline while working on the Chuunin Exams. He was probably busy working on comparison of Naruto, Gaara, and Sasuke which brings out the theme of acknowledgement and loneliness during their fight.

*twitch*

Last I checked, Hinata's background was not "to love Naruto," but to prove that "people can change if they stand up for themselves," which she did just fine against Neji. >_>
Ugh. Besides missing the point, that wasn't even canon!



And we have no idea how old she was. We just know that she didn't do anything to help him. From what I can tell:
- first she perceived him as a kindred spirit that didn't get acknowledged (whereas she sought to be acknowledged by her father)
- then she was busy admiring how good he is at getting back up on his own

So much so that she didn't even Think of reaching out to him, because she thought her help not needed (when in fact, he Did need someone to reach to him). Some say she was just too shy. But her shyness isn't That crippling, and has no reason to when it comes to oh... helping someone else, and she has never even showed that she Wanted to reach to his pain of loneliness. In fact, she didn't even realize that he was Suffering from the pain of loneliness.

This just isn't part of her character design. The loneliness aspect got covered by Gaara and Sasuke instead.

Agree with that. All of the scenes that this guy/girl pointed out ARE fillers and expansions for time of the episode. And as I said before, Iruka, the 3rd, Kakashi, Sakura and Sasuke DID the work of acknowledging Naruto, Hinata however, did it verbally but did physically nothing to help Naruto.

[Chidori Mistress]

thay are going to have to make hinata tell naruto her feelings for him because it would kind of bad if thay just forgot all about her feeling for him. do you really think naruto would reject her feeling for him? thats just stupid think that.and most of the fan thinks it will happan and want to happan. if he did reject her feeling that would have to take showing hiinata geting over it and how she deals with it. and the figth with kiba was cannon. hinata was the first person there age to see the strength in naruto and not just hate him because there mothers and fathers do or the pranks and loudness or braging

I said:
I agree that Hinata may tell Naruto her feelings.
How is it stupid to think that he would reject her? :stare:
OBVIOUSLY, we are not saying that Naruto would harshly reject her. I believe he would say something that would result in Hinata not being too upset by it and it would not stop her from focusing on her goal if he did.
I don't know what this STRANGE belief is that hinata would go belly up if naruto doesn't pair up with her.


Er....so what if hinata is his age and saw passed his pranks?
Age doesn't come into this. Naruto is looking to be achknowledged by his Village, he was not limiting it to his age group.

you did not get what i was saying she was one of the very achknowledged naruto all along even before the wave stuff. and one of the only ones that achknowledged him before the fight with gaara and neji. and she said the samething in the subed. she cared for naruto a good amount of time before he became a ginin. and thay can't say or show all the stuff thay want to like thay do in the anime because i would take to long. your starting make me mad so i going to practice my kendo before i start cussing.

LOL, Whatever.

[Daidoji_Tangen]

thay are going to have to make hinata tell naruto her feelings for him because it would kind of bad if thay just forgot all about her feeling for him. do you really think naruto would reject her feeling for him? thats just stupid think that.and most of the fan thinks it will happan and want to happan. if he did reject her feeling that would have to take showing hiinata geting over it and how she deals with it. and the figth with kiba was cannon. hinata was the first person there age to see the strength in naruto and not just hate him because there mothers and fathers do or the pranks and loudness or braging

Well, in fairness to Sakura and Sasuke, Sakura thought he was picking on her and he was agressive towards Sasuke (which he admits he handled his feelings of inferoirty wrong during the VotE fight).

Anyways, great response.

you did not get what i was saying she was one of the very achknowledged naruto all along even before the wave stuff. and one of the only ones that achknowledged him before the fight with gaara and neji. and she said the samething in the subed. she cared for naruto a good amount of time before he became a ginin. and thay can't say or show all the stuff thay want to like thay do in the anime because i would take to long. your starting make me mad so i going to practice my kendo before i start cussing.

And she did nothing about it. So she gets no credit.

Naruto needed more than someone to "acknowledge" him. He needed someone to let him know they acknowledge him. Seriously, what good did it do Naruto.

Not to mention that false idea that just because someone acknowledged him first means she deserves him alone. If anything it gave her an advantage at first. Which she squandarded.

[Nate River]

thay are going to have to make hinata tell naruto her feelings for him because it would kind of bad if thay just forgot all about her feeling for him. do you really think naruto would reject her feeling for him? thats just stupid think that.and most of the fan thinks it will happan and want to happan.

One the first point: why? Seriously, why are they going to have to do that? Hinata isn't very important to the overall story, especially now. Kishimoto can easily rap up all the major plot points without even touching this, let alone resolving it. So my question is, why must this happen and why would it be bad if they just forgot all about it?

What makes them think Naruto will return those feelings if he doesn't actually possess them? To return without possessing is actually rather cruel as it just gives a false hope. What has Naruto done or said to even suggest he might return them? I cannot think of a single thing. So I'm really not sure why it's stupid to think he won't return them.

And on the last point, who are those fans and why does that matter?

you did not get what i was saying she was one of the very achknowledged naruto all along even before the wave stuff. and one of the only ones that achknowledged him before the fight with gaara and neji. and she said the samething in the subed. she cared for naruto a good amount of time before he became a ginin. and thay can't say or show all the stuff thay want to like thay do in the anime because i would take to long. your starting make me mad so i going to practice my kendo before i start cussing.

On this...I'm not sure what the point is. That Hinata deserves him because she came first so to speak? If that's it...then I only have one thing to say. I try to avoid the "deserves argument" especially in the context this poster appears to be making it because it's a never ending argument. If for those reasons, she deserves Naruto...then does Naruto not deserve Sakura for the same kind of reasons? It might also be Sakura deserves Sasuke for those reasons. If so the only resolution that doesn't leave someone being without the person they deserve is a foursome. Seriously, I'm not joking. But let's remove Sasuke, then the only solution is a threesome. What about Naruto's dedication and support of Sakura, does that not mean anything?

Why can't they show that stuff? I don't think Kishimoto left it out of the manga because he couldn't show it.