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[James S Cassidy]

I didnt said "she had nobody in mind" she had Sasuke the problem is that the lover ninja on both translations confronted her with the great guy, she didnt responded and Kishi showed her sad afterwards.
There's no contradiction.

 

Your theories and logical reasoning has a lots of holes, Dark.

 

You see I have also been in relationships in my life time. Probably more than you. I have been in situations of many kinds and I have even been in a similar situation like Sakura was in in 540. You know what I was thinking during that time? I was not thinking how much I love them, but whether or not I truly loved them or was it something else? I came to the conclusion that I wasn't really in love, but rather a weird form of being desperate and feeling like that's all I can get. I soon realized I deserved better and broke off the relationship right then and there.

You want to talk about ambiguity and speculation, but a lot of what you say is pure speculation and I could even make it to be wrong wusing the same logic you are using. Especially with what is happening with this chapter.
 

Like I said, using your logic, until it is proven she was lying, then I guess she was telling the truth.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Your theories and logical reasoning has a lots of holes, Dark.

You wut m8.
 
 

You see I have also been in relationships in my life time. Probably more than you. I have been in situations of many kinds and I have even been in a similar situation like Sakura was in in 540.
You know what I was thinking during that time? I was not thinking how much I love them, but whether or not I truly loved them or was it something else? I came to the conclusion that I wasn't really in love,

Before that conclusion you was in love, after making a reflection you realized you wasnt in love it's not Sakura's case, she made a reflection and based on moral standards that Sasuke is a nukenin and should not be in love with him she then decide to give up and bury her feelings, but then she realized she was still in love with Sasuke.

 

Like I said, using your logic, until it is proven she was lying, then I guess she was telling the truth.

My proof is there on the chapters after the confession, she showed how much she loved Sasuke after the confession and her initial denial, she was stubborn at thinking that her feelings werent strong for Sasuke.
And that she didnt loved Naruto because the reasons that lead to that conclusion didnt made sense, she had a goal on that confession, honest confessions doesnt have goals neither have requests.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 04:10 PM.

[narusaku256]

I agree with NarutoFireFoxUzumaki. Kakashi's flashback was triggered due to Naruto's and Sakura's interaction. He saw how huge the difference was between the interactions between Naruto and Sakura then and now and how much they had grown. Previously on the first day Sakura was fangirling over Sasuke and did not give a kitten to Naruto. But now there was a complete reversal in the lastest scene. It was not for nothing that the panels of Kakashi looking at both of them was shown. It was meant to convey that looking at the interactions Naruto and Sakura, Kakashi came to notice the differences in the dynamics of Team 7 which triggered his flashback. Infact what I doubt is perhaps Kakashi has noticed that Sakura now does love Naruto and she is over with Sasuke. Its the same as when we meet our old friends and when we notice how things have changed, we think about old days when things were completely different from now. The thing to note in the revelation is that it was said by none other than Kakashi! The one who knew team 7 the best and not to forget he is master at analysing things! He has seen most of the developments between Naruto and Sakura! That flashback was indeed triggered by NS interaction and not because the whole of team 7 was together.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I agree with NarutoFireFoxUzumaki. Kakashi's flashback was triggered due to Naruto's and Sakura's interaction. He saw how huge the difference was between the interactions between Naruto and Sakura then and now and how much they had grown. Previously on the first day Sakura was fangirling over Sasuke and did not give a kitten to Naruto. But now there was a complete reversal in the lastest scene. It was not for nothing that the panels of Kakashi looking at both of them was shown. It was meant to convey that looking at the interactions Naruto and Sakura, Kakashi came to notice the differences in the dynamics of Team 7 which triggered his flashback. Infact what I doubt is perhaps Kakashi has noticed that Sakura now does love Naruto and she is over with Sasuke. Its the same as when we meet our old friends and when we notice how things have changed, we think about old days when things were completely different from now. The thing to note in the revelation is that it was said by none other than Kakashi! The one who knew team 7 the best and not to forget he is master at analysing things! He has seen most of the developments between Naruto and Sakura! That flashback was indeed triggered by NS interaction and not because the whole of team 7 was together.

I would agree with you but until i read "she does now loves Naruto", i dont think that getting over Sasuke automatically implies that she loves Naruto, there things that needs to happen before NS work, i mean she doesnt acknowledge what she feelings for Naruto as love, at least romantically speaking off, the arc only showed how Sakura views Sasuke as evil, doesnt want to be with him, doesnt fangirl, doesnt trust him, her usual worrying about Naruto, and how she views Naruto as someome who's a great guy.

Kakashi didnt looked at NS interaction there, he viewed team 7 interaction, Sasuke is also included into this, he had spoken too.
The point that her feelings for Sasuke changed stands.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 04:19 PM.

[Inferno180]

It's always been an irony that despite how much people support SS and nh as much as they do despite not much development or progression, that ns still got the lions share of where it matters.

But after seeing 631 last year and how people made a spectacle over what naruto said and what minato did, it was literally people didn't sit well with the fact if how this happened so soon after 615 despite naruto never saying he was over sakura. But now with this whole ordeal about Sakura's feelings having changed, it's really just hit the point where SS fans this say it's increased or the same (despite this claim fully running counter to what was said, even if it's just kakashis view) it's just, one argument leads to many more questions. I mean yeah, no issues in the decrease love side, but I really find it funny how even if this is an event that somehow hit crazy town with that love somehow increasing, it seriously doesn't grant anything to SS in the long run and it doesn't change the fact of what's already been presented isn't just overwritten or unimportant. It's not like the ns hints just go away or that SS is patched up all fine and dandy.

I mean it's most logical to believe she fell out of love with Sasuke, or is still in the process of it cause it's again, just a trait that changes slowly and needs to move through change at a decent pace and really that whole mistrust factor would just be another small part of the long process if sasukes actions come to harm naruto or interfere with what he tries to accomplish, but it's just character progression at this point that stands as the biggest reason for her changing love to be less than it once was for Sasuke.

I mean if anything can be known from this, both sai and kakashis views are otherwise saying she doesn't trust him/knows he will do something bad while kakashis said that her original love has changed yet she cares for him (as a friend/comrade) and believes he can be redeemed. The love again decreasing as the most likely and logical answer. Put these two together, you know something bad will occur with Sasuke in the future towards team 7 and that sakura is still changing in regards to both naruto and Sasuke, yet she will still believe Sasuke is capable of redemption in ways very similar to how naruto has for years.

[narusaku256]

I would agree with you but until i read "she does now loves Naruto", i dont think that getting over Sasuke automatically implies that she loves Naruto, there things that needs to happen before NS work, i mean she doesnt acknowledge what she feelings for Naruto as love, at least romantically speaking off, the arc only showed how Sakura views Sasuke as evil, doesnt want to be with him, doesnt fangirl, doesnt trust him, her usual worrying about Naruto, and how she views Naruto as someome who's a great guy.

Kakashi didnt looked at NS interaction there, he viewed team 7 interaction, Sasuke is also included into this, he had spoken too.
The point that her feelings for Sasuke changed stands.

You are right! Getting over with Sasuke does not imply she now loves Naruto. But this becomes correct when we have totally normal interactions, as in normal interactions of friendship between Naruto and Sakura in the past and till date. And since we don't have such scenes but instead we get some scenes which suggest that something is different for Naruto within Sakura's eyes and heart which we gladly call 'NS moments', we cannot state that Sakura feels nothing for Naruto except friendship! I still lean towards, 'She knows where her true feelings really lay' but since we have little evidence that suggests this, I won't count this one.

If you are gonna agree with me or anyone infact about Sakura loving Naruto, then I must say you won't agree with us till NS becomes canon. Because revealing 'Sakura loves Naruto' will spell the end of pairing wars then and there itself. Even I don't know whether Sakura truly loves Naruto or not but I do BELIEVE that she loves Naruto. Anyone can state a fact when they know the truth. But what makes you different is you BELIEVING in truth before it is out. And our belief is not something which doesn't have a proof. It does have! If you really want an official proof of Sakura loving Naruto you have to wait uptil NS canon moment because before that there is no way in hell that Kishi is gonna give us this. He will just give us hints and developments and moments but this is what he will give at the end!

@Inferno180 what you stated just now, was stated by me and well many people before! I haven't understood that logic still!

Edited by narusaku256, 11 May 2014 - 04:48 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I would agree with you but until i read "she does now loves Naruto", i dont think that getting over Sasuke automatically implies that she loves Naruto, there things that needs to happen before NS work, i mean she doesnt acknowledge what she feelings for Naruto as love, at least romantically speaking off, the arc only showed how Sakura views Sasuke as evil, doesnt want to be with him, doesnt fangirl, doesnt trust him, her usual worrying about Naruto, and how she views Naruto as someome who's a great guy.

Kakashi didnt looked at NS interaction there, he viewed team 7 interaction, Sasuke is also included into this, he had spoken too.
The point that her feelings for Sasuke changed stands.

 

That's kind of been this whole point. You see, this chapter didn't say "NS is canon" and even I said it didn't. Instead it basically said SasuSaku is officially no longer a viable option. We are on the path to Naruto and Sakura becoming a pairing and the whole process is the whole point of the journey. You're right, it doesn't automatically apply, but there is no doubt that those feelings for Naruto have been increasing and her feelings for Sasuke have been decreasing and now, they are gone.

 

NS is the end result, but we are not at the end yet. This is where the Naruto and Sasuke fight comes in. That is where it truly all concludes indefinitely. People are looking at the scenes individually, but it's the entire thing that needs to be seen: The story from start to finish. Even the characters themselves lampshade this several times and the reason for the throwback to the flashbacks; Kakashi here especially.

 

Sakura's struggling with her emotions means her emotions are real and are supposed to be taken seriously. Because of how powerful they are, any slight change no matter how small should be looked at because she is that powerful of a character. That's the "stubborn" part about her. She is not the kind of girl to just let go without good reason and to me that means that when she truly loves someone, it is for real and not some spur of the moment. I wouldn't want her to just automatically fall in love with Naruto because that would just make her feelings questionable. We are getting the questions out of the way now so that when her and Naruto finally do get together, you know it is real. It is genuine.

 

That is amazing to me and proves just how powerful love can really be. Sakura is not a faker like some of the girls are. She is complicated, yes, but it just means that what she feels is not fake in any way.

 

Life is a journey....not a destination.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 11 May 2014 - 04:45 PM.

[luffyq1]

"THe person you love must be a great guy"

"If there's somebody that you like, then they're bound to be a great guy"
http://i12.mangapand...uto-2347827.jpg

I dont see anything ambiguous on those two.
BOth says present tense with some future tense, i dont really see where's the ambiguous part sorry.
Swapping Somebody with "Sasuke", the context is clear.

No. No. No. Dark, that's not how you're suppose to interpret that scene. When Sakura says "there's someone else" you're suppose to insert Naruto in your interpretation even though the scene suggest otherwise.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

No. No. No. Dark, that's not how you're suppose to interpret that scene. When Sakura says "there's someone else" you're suppose to insert Naruto in your interpretation even though the scene suggest otherwise.

I know it, but the aspect is that even doing this the rest doesnt make much sense, because they're related.
It the same subject.

[Gojira]

No. No. No. Dark, that's not how you're suppose to interpret that scene. When Sakura says "there's someone else" you're suppose to insert Naruto in your interpretation even though the scene suggest otherwise.

It's not about swapping places.

It's the fact that her thinking about Sasuke doesn't make any sense. Him coming to the conclusion that the person has to be great because she's in love with him is what leaves room for ambiguity, because it's generalized.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's not about swapping places.

It's the fact that her thinking about Sasuke doesn't make any sense.

It does she's the guy she loves.
 

Him coming to the conclusion that the person has to be great because she's in love with him is what leaves room for ambiguity, because it's generalized.

That's why she was depressed, Sasuke is not a great guy.

You're already jumping the gun and trying to prove she loves Naruto romantically speaking off forcing ambiguity.
But as for me it goes step by step, Sakura is falling out of love from Sasuke and after it is that Kishimoto is going to finish NS on the romantic side.

IF it goes as this, it would be crap writing, resolving NS off panel and then forcing the fans to look for scenes and see ambiguities.
I dont think Kishimoto is that kind of author.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 05:31 PM.

[luffyq1]

I know it, but the aspect is that even doing this the rest doesnt make much sense, because they're related.
It the same subject.

Don't bother with it anymore. Their opinion won't change just as yours won't.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Don't bother with it anymore. Their opinion won't change just as yours won't.

Yep i'll drop and go back to krautchan for a while.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 05:35 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

No. No. No. Dark, that's not how you're suppose to interpret that scene. When Sakura says "there's someone else" you're suppose to insert Naruto in your interpretation even though the scene suggest otherwise.

 

Well I guess every NS fan needs to just pack up their bags and go home right? It's over, kids. Time to give up. Obviously, Sakura is still the same fangirl she was in part 1, despite many evidence to prove otherwise, and assume that Naruto is just madly in love with Hinata at this point in time. I mean, who cares what Kishimoto says, right? It's not like the author knows the real truth behind his own story. In fact, Kishimoto doesn't know anything. He can't comprehend how wrong he is about his own story.

 

So instead, I am going to do what should have been done a long time ago. Ignore all information on the manga and base my entire analysis on one ambiguous panel and be snobbish to every other member of the forum who believes otherwise. Hey, they can interpret anything they want, but only I know the truth behind it all

[Gojira]

It does she's the guy she loves.
 
That's why she was depressed, Sasuke is not a great guy.

You're already jumping the gun and trying to prove she loves Naruto romantically speaking off forcing ambiguity.
But as for me it goes step by step, Sakura is falling out of love from Sasuke and after it is that Kishimoto is going to finish NS on the romantic side.

IF it goes as this, it would be crap writing, resolving NS off panel and then forcing the fans to look for scenes and see ambiguities.
I dont think Kishimoto is that kind of author.

It really doesn't considering that the confession was honest. Even if you try to change his words around its still contradicting. Then there's the fact that it renders all of the development and moments NS had before as completely pointless if the one she still wanted to be with was Sasuke (mind you this was right after said person she loves tried to murder her and the one she confessed to saved her life from him and even if we go to the route that she loves them both its kind of obvious which one she wouldn't originally be referring to)

[luffyq1]

 

Well I guess every NS fan needs to just pack up their bags and go home right? It's over, kids. Time to give up. Obviously, Sakura is still the same fangirl she was in part 1, despite many evidence to prove otherwise, and assume that Naruto is just madly in love with Hinata at this point in time. I mean, who cares what Kishimoto says, right? It's not like the author knows the real truth behind his own story. In fact, Kishimoto doesn't know anything. He can't comprehend how wrong he is about his own story.

 

So instead, I am going to do what should have been done a long time ago. Ignore all information on the manga and base my entire analysis on one ambiguous panel and be snobbish to every other member of the forum who believes otherwise. Hey, they can interpret anything they want, but only I know the truth behind it all

ok

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It really doesn't considering that the confession was honest. Even if you try to change his words around its still contradicting. Then there's the fact that it renders all of the development and moments NS had before as completely pointless if the one she still wanted to be with was Sasuke (mind you this was right after said person she loves tried to murder her and the one she confessed to saved her life from him and even if we go to the route that she loves them both its kind of obvious which one she wouldn't originally be referring to)

You point out contradictions without explaining why, if she doenst want to be with Sasuke it doesnt disregard her feelings.
Naruto hide his feelings from Sakura because of her feelings for Sasuke and he still loved her.

You're ignoring the summit and the parts where Sakura showed she loved Sasuke.
THe summit ended with Sakura having stated feelings for Sasuke and her acknowledging it, if she doesnt want to be with Sasuke it's another story and Kishimoto now is developing Sakura to fall out of love from Sasuke based on this.

Also it doesnt render pointless NS development, NS development is incomplete, and was lacking important parts up to that point.

But you're bringing up a interpretation that she already did move on from Sasuke when Sakura doesnt even acknowledged this.
 

Well I guess every NS fan needs to just pack up their bags and go home right? It's over, kids. Time to give up. Obviously, Sakura is still the same fangirl she was in part 1, despite many evidence to prove otherwise, and assume that Naruto is just madly in love with Hinata at this point in time. I mean, who cares what Kishimoto says, right? It's not like the author knows the real truth behind his own story. In fact, Kishimoto doesn't know anything. He can't comprehend how wrong he is about his own story.
 
So instead, I am going to do what should have been done a long time ago. Ignore all information on the manga and base my entire analysis on one ambiguous panel and be snobbish to every other member of the forum who believes otherwise. Hey, they can interpret anything they want, but only I know the truth behind it all

Do you know what i hate?
Everytime you're cornered you came with those type of posts, it's a debate and nothing else, you dont bring evidence and always came with trolling or sarcasm.
EVERYTIME.

I'm not against anyone's views here, the problem is that every single NS interation people already comes with interpretations that "Sakura already loves Naruto".
Every.
It's getting out of hand and worse than NH fans whom on every panel of Hinata thinking of Naruto it's already screaming "Canon FTW!".

540 is an example of this, Kishi didnt even closed SS and Sakura hanst resolved her feelings for Sasuke, people already coming with using 540 which is anti-SS to turn it on a pro-NS moment.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 05:58 PM.

[harry4e]

So whats the general consensus about the whole Sakura may or may not be blushing part?

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/675/13

At first I thought it was dirt but most other panels we see she's the only one that doesn't have dirt on her face (well mostly)

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/675/18

 

It's dirt, Kishi seems to have missed drawing the dirt in some panels and then put them back in the next, For Example This is page  Four:

 

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/675/4

 

See her face is covered in scratches and dirt, Now the next page:

 

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/675/5

 

All scratches have magically disappeared Page forteen dirt on her face in the top panel, and face clean in the bottom panel

 

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/675/14

 

Page 18 as you posted completely clean, and then last page her face is covered in dirt and scratches again, I'd say either the cleaners hired by MP over did their job or either Kishi or his assistants didn't do a good job.

 

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/675/19

 

 

So i was lurking in the ASS thread in NF and a guy just showed up and said this :

Also here is the link from it http://www.narutofor...&postcount=1266

 

 

*lurks in *

Hello , sorry to bother. Just wanted to answer the questions about the raw. If it's bothers you for me to comment just delete my comment 
The RAW is not official. It was copied from 2ch forums from someone who "claimed" it to be the official Japanese text. All the genuine translations of that text started with " these are still unconfirmed RAW" 

Thank you. Goodbye.

*lurks out*

 

Can anyone confirm this to be true ? 

 

 

 

LOL...so this random lurker is saying that both Mangapanda and MangaStream who I'm not certain but I beleive pay to get their scans early and probably get it from the same source who supplies them the scans every single week, decided for this one week, they'd troll the SasuSaku fans by editing the official Raws before supplying the copies to MS and MP? Every single person who has ever downloaded Manga Raws from the interet would know this is BS. For one the scans are grainy as hell, the Scanalaters then clean the image so we get the clean image with the white backgrounds and not the grainy browny gray we see.

 

http://raw.senmanga....One_Piece/730/4

 

That is an example of a RAW image from One Piece Chapter 730, and below is an example of how it looks after it's been cleaned up and edited.

 

http://www.mangapand...one-piece/730/5

 

Notice the massive difference, there is no chance MP and MS would not notice if someone edited the text because the grainy background would give it away. And second they person who supplied the script would  lose all credability and MS, MP and all other scanlaters would go elsewhere.

[LadyGT]

You know that Kishimoto draws pages in different days, right? That's why in a bunch they disappear and in others they are present. And that is also why, I believe that that's a little blush...after all it appears during those panels where she hasn't got much on her face.

[Gojira]

@Darkrerst

Its not that she moved on from him, its the fact that at that point she still prefers Sasuke (the man who treated her like crap, the man who she hasn't seen for years and who tried to kill her 3 times without hesitation) over someone who loves her, who encouraged her and whom she loves in return. That's the part that is illogical, the fact that MP's translation was generalized means it can be interpreted as ambiguous.