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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:03 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 26 2013, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not like the majority of Nh fans care about the action though... They didn't cared for Neji's death... Only used him as a "proof" that NH will happen.


And that is a complete atrocity ... it's a shame the NaruHina fans couldn't actually care over a character death like that and all they remember it as is "Neji made NH canon by dying. Thank you, Neji.". facepalm.png

Even if that was a NaruSaku moment, I'd still care over Neji sacrificing himself. mellow.gif

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 26 January 2013 - 05:04 AM.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:06 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 26 2013, 06:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not like the majority of Nh fans care about the action though... They didn't cared for Neji's death... Only used him as a "proof" that NH will happen.


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:06 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 26 2013, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not like the majority of Nh fans care about the action though... They didn't cared for Neji's death... Only used him as a "proof" that NH will happen.

But the things is, Hinata hasn't fought crap since the Neji vs Hinata in Part 1, so NH fans can't say anything about fighting, lol.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:07 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Jan 26 2013, 06:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And that is a complete atrocity ... it's a shame the NaruHina fans couldn't actually care over a character death like that and all they remember it as is "Neji made NH canon by dying. Thank you, Neji.". facepalm.png

Even if that was a NaruSaku moment, I'd still care over Neji sacrificing himself. mellow.gif


Really, not to offend the fandom as a whole, but those who were using that as a proof show me how... how should I say it? I'm trying to use a nice word but only other type of words come in my mind at the moment.
I am really angered with their reaction over Neji's death, to be honest.

I wasn't the biggest Neji fan, however, I did liked him! Especially that part with "Because I was called a loser/Because I was called a genius"...Oh, God! Brilliant! Brings tears in my eyes.
Yet all they think is Neji sacrificed himself for NH. HELL, NO!
He did the same as his father, protect the heiress of the Hyuga. But not because he was obligated by fate to do it, because he wanted. Hence the whole "Father, finally... I understand now" etc.
God, I'm remembering Neji's death and my eyes get teary.
Damn you Kishi! shamefulcry0js.gif

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 26 2013, 06:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But the things is, Hinata hasn't fought crap since the Neji vs Hinata in Part 1, so NH fans can't say anything about fighting, lol.


Yeah but the thing is, not all the Naruto fandom watch the show for pairings. Some watch it for action, hence the importance of her heroine moments as in action...

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:22 AM

Neji's death hit me. He wasn't exactly in my top ten favorite characters, but I liked him a lot! His callback line from the Sasuke Retrieval Arc made me eyes water. shamefulcry0js.gif He got so much development from the pompous jerk he used to be and I always felt like he deserved to be leader of the Clan. He had the assertiveness and calm, rational judgement. Hinata has none of those. She lets her emotions cloud her judgement, can only publicly speak in a crisis, and she doesn't take her Hyuga heiress role seriously enough. It's just "Naruto-kun, Naruto-kun!". Hence why I have always considered Neji a much better character than Hinata. It's a shame he's not as popular as her. sleep.gif

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:25 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 26 2013, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah but the thing is, not all the Naruto fandom watch the show for pairings. Some watch it for action, hence the importance of her heroine moments as in action...

Then why were people worried Hinata was taking over the role of heroine in 615? She didn't do anything flashy.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:32 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 26 2013, 06:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Then why were people worried Hinata was taking over the role of heroine in 615? She didn't do anything flashy.

We weren't talking about this chapter. We were talking about the overall Sakura. The fact that she lacks the action heroine status overall.
Except Forest of Death and Sasori fight, we didn't get to see this from Sakura, unfortunately.
That was the whole point here. Not that Hinata was doing what she did.
Hinata is only a factor that adds to the whole thing.

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Jan 26 2013, 06:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Neji's death hit me. He wasn't exactly in my top ten favorite characters, but I liked him a lot! His callback line from the Sasuke Retrieval Arc made me eyes water. shamefulcry0js.gif He got so much development from the pompous jerk he used to be and I always felt like he deserved to be leader of the Clan. He had the assertiveness and calm, rational judgement. Hinata has none of those. She lets her emotions cloud her judgement, can only publicly speak in a crisis, and she doesn't take her Hyuga heiress role seriously enough. It's just "Naruto-kun, Naruto-kun!". Hence why I have always considered Neji a much better character than Hinata. It's a shame he's not as popular as her. sleep.gif


Exactly! OMG, so much of this!!! I feel like Neji was sacrificed in order for Hinata to be the heiress. Because we all know she's not going to be with Naruto. And since there wouldn't be any place for her, Kishi needed to give her another reason for her existence in the manga.
Sadly, Neji was just a tool! Damn you Kishi! once again...breaking our hearts! shamefulcry0js.gif

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:39 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Jan 26 2013, 06:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Neji's death hit me. He wasn't exactly in my top ten favorite characters, but I liked him a lot! His callback line from the Sasuke Retrieval Arc made me eyes water. shamefulcry0js.gif He got so much development from the pompous jerk he used to be and I always felt like he deserved to be leader of the Clan. He had the assertiveness and calm, rational judgement. Hinata has none of those. She lets her emotions cloud her judgement, can only publicly speak in a crisis, and she doesn't take her Hyuga heiress role seriously enough. It's just "Naruto-kun, Naruto-kun!". Hence why I have always considered Neji a much better character than Hinata. It's a shame he's not as popular as her. sleep.gif

Hinata, for the most part, is only popular for fanservice reasons

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:54 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Jan 26 2013, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Neji's death hit me. He wasn't exactly in my top ten favorite characters, but I liked him a lot! His callback line from the Sasuke Retrieval Arc made me eyes water. shamefulcry0js.gif He got so much development from the pompous jerk he used to be and I always felt like he deserved to be leader of the Clan. He had the assertiveness and calm, rational judgement. Hinata has none of those. She lets her emotions cloud her judgement, can only publicly speak in a crisis, and she doesn't take her Hyuga heiress role seriously enough. It's just "Naruto-kun, Naruto-kun!". Hence why I have always considered Neji a much better character than Hinata. It's a shame he's not as popular as her. sleep.gif

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:01 AM

QUOTE (MangaReader @ Jan 26 2013, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hinata, for the most part, is only popular for fanservice reasons


The blunt translation of this sentence: A lot of the Hinata fans are shallow? rolleyes.gif

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:04 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Jan 26 2013, 05:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Neji's death hit me.


When Neji died I felt nothing sad.gif

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:46 AM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Jan 26 2013, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don-kun: Why do you blame those who are negative? It's like you look down on them. We've kept our loyalty, but Kishi disappoints everytime. I don't even know what posts you are talking about. It is not right to be positive or negative, just give some rational arguments to your thoughts. I don't like when people tell others to be more positive, or more realistic. As long as it's not the same old whining, I don't understand why your are facepalming.


^This so much.

QUOTE (KnS @ Jan 26 2013, 04:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What a refreshing post! I don't think there's much chance that something like this could happen, but it's fun to consider.

I wish Kishimoto would do something like this. It would be a big step for Tsunade to take, since Sakura hasn't received the power-ups of either Sasuke or Naruto, or even Kakashi, and it's a stretch to think she's at Kage level right now, but that could change quickly. Anything is possible. It's fun to think outside the box.

There's been so much, "There's NO WAY Sakura has gone to the Kage..." but I don't understand why. The truth is we have no idea what's going to happen next, and Sakura being summoned to the Kage is as plausible as any other theory. People seem to be hung up on the notion that Sakura said she would fight with Naruto, and that going to the Kage instead of being part of the current charge against the Juubi would somehow mean she isn't fighting with Naruto. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Sakura also said they would ALL fight together. Wouldn't that include the Kage -- assuming some of them survive? Tsunade's fate has to be resolved at some point, one way or another, and it's logical to assume that Sakura would be involved in that resolution. Just because she goes to the Kage and is part of that thread of the story doesn't mean she's not fighting with Naruto, or preclude her from returning to the main battle.

In #616 Kishimoto gave us a brief glimpse of what Sasuke was doing, then returned to the main battle. Then #617 ends with Sasuke again. Is the story going to shift to Sasuke now, or is it possible that Kishimoto is starting to weave several plotlines together? One focusing on each member of Team 7?

What if he starts interweaving Sasuke's part of the story, with Naruto leading the battle against the Juubi, with Sakura's resolution with Tsunade? I agree that's pretty ambitious for Kishimoto, but it's possible, and would be a cool way to bring Team 7 to a more equal footing before Naruto and Sasuke meet.

Like I said, we really have no idea what Kishimoto has planned. I mean, so much has happened in the last few chapters that just a few months ago many of us would have sworn would never happen. Hinata showing chutzpah and getting a chance to fulfill her dream of holding Naruto's hand? Who thought or foresaw it actually happening, much less happening the way it did?

We shouldn't be so quick to assume we know exactly what's going to happen, or presume what couldn't possibly happen. There are a lot of ways Kishimoto could go with the remaining threads of the story.


The problem is, Sakura hasn't gotten any development that would make her possible to become Hokage in the readers' eyes. Sure, she's shown some leadership in the Pain arc while Tsunade passed out. And there's also the fact that she's her apprentice. But that's it. Her fight with Sasori was her only big fight. Can we actually use Sasori's fight as a parameter for Hokage qualifications?? no. That's not enough. She needs more. Hell, If I had to say, I'd say Shikamaru is more than ready to be Hokage considering his physical and mental development has been very consistent. Sakura, on the other hand, is completely inconsistent (except when it comes to Naruto).

Another thing, which one would you pick, Sakura going to the Kages with prior development, or her appearing at the Kages' location randomly?? pick one. I understand the whole "underneath the underneath" theme and how it applies to Sakura's panel in 615, but really, Kishi could've simply inserted a small panel or bubble of Shikaku/Katsuyu contacting her. Just either one of them saying "Sakura..." would've been enough. That alone would've been much better development towards that particular plotline. If she appears at the Kages' location (explained through flashbacks) I would still feel cheated. Hell, it would've been better if Kishimoto could've at least confirmed she had the Slug contract. That would've made it more believable. But this scenario, sounds way too much of an asspull on the level of Genma knowing Hiraishin and Sasuke's hawk contract.

Regarding the Team 7 plot interconnecting, that certainly would be interesting to see.

Lastly, I'm not saying it's not plausible for this scenario to happen. Just that it would come out way out of nowhere to happen without even a decent development beforehand or whatsoever.


QUOTE (sushi. @ Jan 26 2013, 04:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Qia: If we add in some MK goodness, Minato told Kushina in her dying moments that she was the one who made him Hokage. : ) Obviously, she had a great deal in it.


That certainly would be great. And extremely symbolic to boot.

QUOTE (sushi. @ Jan 26 2013, 07:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^Wasn't Sakura going to surpass Tsunade? Isn't she going to be one of the next sannin or something? Tsunade could fight Orochimaru, but Sasuke could take Sakura with only a few shots.

And some of the comparisons doesn't fit. Nami is not a fighter(mainly), she is a brain. She's a navigator. Luffy fights, she shows the way. That's what OP is, each member of the crew can do their thing. The characters stated this several times. And Inuyasha is a half-demon, making him quite powerful compared to a schoolgirl from the 20th century. I haven't watched all the FMA episodes, but so far, Winry doesn't look like an alchemist/fighter at all.


Winry is basically Ed's medic. And usually, when Ed starts moping, she becomes his emotional support by giving him a good ol' wrench applied to the noggin laugh.gif .


QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Jan 26 2013, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Neji's death hit me. He wasn't exactly in my top ten favorite characters, but I liked him a lot! His callback line from the Sasuke Retrieval Arc made me eyes water. shamefulcry0js.gif He got so much development from the pompous jerk he used to be and I always felt like he deserved to be leader of the Clan. He had the assertiveness and calm, rational judgement. Hinata has none of those. She lets her emotions cloud her judgement, can only publicly speak in a crisis, and she doesn't take her Hyuga heiress role seriously enough. It's just "Naruto-kun, Naruto-kun!". Hence why I have always considered Neji a much better character than Hinata. It's a shame he's not as popular as her. sleep.gif


Honestly, I feel if there had to be one of the K-11 that had to die, it would be Lee. Think about it, Lee's death might even awaken the next stage of Byakugan for Neji. Just to show that the Uchiha and Uzumaki aren't the only ones with Haxxx bloodlines laugh.gif .

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:17 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 26 2013, 07:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When Neji died I felt nothing sad.gif


sadly me too....maybe it was the way he died??? idk....

it felt like....."well....i guess we should call it konoha 10 now".


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:36 AM

Luffy1, I honestly can't blame you for it. Kishimoto's sudden killing of a Neji was far from one of his more stellar works. My eyes watered a little, but I wasn't as sad as I thought I'd be. Maybe it's because it didn't have the dramatic sad music the anime would probably have when they get there, but it wasn't the best death scene. It hit me, but I was totally shocked at the rushness he did. Neji appears in one chapter, you kill him off in that same chapter. dry.gif At least let him fight a little more before sending him to death's door. It's weird. I feel Kishimoto drags out some things too much, but at the same time, it's like he rushes things. From 614 and onward, I'm getting this "Holy crap, this is so rushed" feeling. It's makes no sense, but that's how I feel. Kishimoto apparently makes that feeling possible, I guess. sleep.gif

I'm also slightly bitter still that Kishimoto had to kill off Neji, a great character with nice development, to make a one-dimensional character get a spine to the guy she never stands up to and be in a "glorified" light. I'm bitter about a lot of things in 615 still, actually. Did Kishimoto absolutely have to regress Naruto into some weak-minded character so Hinata could be in the better light? So she make everyone else look like gawking idiots and have the impression "OMG, she's so important! She's the heroine!"? Ignore Sakura's open opportunity to have a shining moment when she was standing right there? I'm still very disappointed in how that chapter was written.

Codus, lol Kishi and his hax plot no jutsu preferences. cool.gif Still remember the introduction of Izanami. No foreshadowing, just a random aspull Uchiha jutsu. My exact thoughts: "Um ... what? How OP do you want Itachi to be, Kishi?!" huh.gif

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 26 January 2013 - 07:38 AM.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:27 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Jan 26 2013, 06:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The blunt translation of this sentence: A lot of the Hinata fans are shallow? rolleyes.gif


As a girl I am always offended whenever fans say things like oh, why bother with Sakura! Look at Hinata. Wink knudge Wink Insert Comment About the Size of A Certain Female Attribute. Like even if it's in a joking fashion, it's still very irritating. And actually insulting to Hinata too. Nice to reduce her character this way.

Nothing wrong with saying female characters are hot (cos hey we do that when we see hot guys too), but that one character should get with another because they have bigger boobs? Insulting dry.gif

Anyways, yeah, I would've liked Neji not to die sad.gif Especially since Hinata just still continued her Naruto fangirling. It would have been better if that made her think thoughts about how she must be a good heiress or fight her best in the war or whatever.

I'm sure Sakura will do something though smile.gif Kishi does use his covers to foreshadow. Does anybody remember like his chapter 3 or 4 cover had Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura standing on Gamabunta, Manda and Katsuyu? biggrin.gif Even if they can't all summon, it's pretty much foreshadowing their training under one of the Sannin.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:36 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 26 2013, 03:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When Neji died I felt nothing sad.gif

I laughed because would be better he dying while using his kaiten but he just throw himself.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:09 AM

Neji's death is the red thread of fate for NH wink.gif

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:04 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Jan 26 2013, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Neji's death is the red thread of fate for NH ;)

What neji's death has to do with NH, is the same of saying that Sai dying would make NS canon.

would be if he asked him to protect Hinata or take care of her but it wasnt the case.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:17 PM

Y'know... for all those saying that NH fans are shallow because of Hinata's reaction to Neji's sacrifice, I didn't see any of you comment about Neji's death, at all.

Sure, it's possible I skipped it (I usually read the first 3 comments, then skip to the latest page, which was around 33, 34 for this thread at the time), but really, the entire thread is mostly about "Where's Sakura?"

Like I posted pages ago, in an attempt to discuss what actually happened in the chapter, no one talked about how the shape of the charging Shinobi was in the shape of a bird, a homage to Neji's "Bird in the Cage" symbolism.

Or how similarly it is to his father's sacrifice to Hinata's father. That he died of his own volition, to protect his own family. It's a far cry from his "it's fated that.... It's fated this.... You're too weak to fight fate...," attitude.

Yes, I'm being accusatory. Yes, it's ridiculous that I'm getting worked up about the direction this thread keeps moving. But, really, I think you guys are taking the whole, "Sakura's not here?!" thing seriously, even when she's the main heroine.

Like I mentioned before, this series is much like an overworked Spotlighter. Everyone has monologues at a stage that follow one after another, but only one guy manning the spotlight and struggling to move the light from one actor to another.


About Sasuke's reappearance. Yes, I believe the story will shift to him and his group soon. Do I care? Not really. Kishi's setting the stage for his next arc, obviously.

About Kishi and his editors and caving into fan pressure.... What evidence do you guys have? Sure, there's precedence for this kind of thing happening, I personally haven't seen it, but it's certainly possible. But, how do we know that this is simply what Kishi has been planning? That it's just bad writing?

The opposite certainly is possible, that he might be caving into editors, fan pressure, etc, but the members who say he is, seem to be 100% sure he is caving into them.

In the end.... Guys, it's just a fictional story about ninjas fighting a gigantic monster whose old body became the moon led by a teenager with a gigantic fox spirit stuck in his stomach. It's not the end of the world.


AND AGAIN, STOP BASHING NH FANS. Calling them shallow, no matter what their opinion is, IS BASHING NH FANS.

And for everything else, there's fanfiction.

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And yes, I'm aware I'll probably get in trouble with this with the mods, but I don't care. I'm tired of all this egregious overreaction since 615. It was hilarious, at first, but now it just seems ridiculous.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 26 January 2013 - 02:23 PM.


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:55 PM

QUOTE (shadow_Uzumaki @ Jan 26 2013, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
About Kishi and his editors and caving into fan pressure.... What evidence do you guys have? Sure, there's precedence for this kind of thing happening, I personally haven't seen it, but it's certainly possible. But, how do we know that this is simply what Kishi has been planning? That it's just bad writing?

The opposite certainly is possible, that he might be caving into editors, fan pressure, etc, but the members who say he is, seem to be 100% sure he is caving into them.


I'll agree with you on this, but the problem is, judging by what Kishi's shown so far, I'm almost convinced that this is very likely the case. Otherwise, why would the character developments seem so forced?? particularly with Hinata (or Naruto for that matter).

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