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[Gravenimage]

Sasuke will still be redeemed. He just probably won't live afterwards.

At least now it's official, beyond any doubt, that Sasuke is evil, hit Karin on purpose, and has no hope in any pairing.

Beyond that, I'm not understanding Sakura. She is supposed to be the smartest kunoichi of her year and yet she is making choices based on her emotions rather than using her intellect. What really is her goal here? Even knowing Tobi is present and she thinks she can take on them all alone?

I don't understand.

She's acting just like Naruto this proves how much he has changed her from a selfish annoying fan girl to a selfless hardworking stubborn medic ninja. Or perhaps she's acting more like part 1 Naruto facing strong enemies head on without thinking of a plan or a strategy.

[Prime]

Yea if Sasuke is redeemed I don't see him living much longer. It really seems as if Sakura was going on a suicide mission but I'm sure she has a "1 up" ability or something we simply just don't know about at this point. I would even be willing to bet she ends up helping Naruto win the war. After all it's always been her goal to do something great for Naruto.

[firegirl]

theory

what if madra wants sasuke to go after naruto? sasuke would have to incounter sakura, and wants her out of his way, sakura would fight till she dies for him not to get to naruto , i feel sasuke to get rid of her demons swhe needs to fight him, and i belive that incounter before kakashi comes and madra says they must retreat, but it that happens it proves that everything sakura is doing and only thinking of is naruto and her feelings for him and feeling it HER DUITY TO PROTECT him, i mean thouhgtout part 2 sakura has been acting like his protector for his feelings and now she wants to protect him wiith her life

i know im crazy to say this but this chapter makes me feel she really loves naruto

[tekopi]

After seeing this new chapter, now I finally understood why Danzo hold a grudge against Sandaime. But just like Sai said in the early chapter to Sakura and Naruto about Danzo's decision, if I can recall, 'you might not approve of his ways, but he does love Konoha so much'. At the end, he is still in awe to Sarutobi, wondering what will he think of him.

About Sakura wanting to go on retrieving Sasuke by herself, I'm kinda can understand her feeling. It might be stupid, but sometimes the feeling of guilt and love towards someone leads us to make a decision like that. Everybody that in that kind of situation might understands it. The mini battle might go on a bit interesting, but remember, Sai is an ANBU from Roots, that means his skills is might be really something.

I think there is a probability that Karin will survive, but in a short time, due to the injury. In fact, she just tranferred her chakra into Sasuke a few moments earlier, so it will be fatal at the end. I hope that they would just make it to cross to her. I might be crazy, but if Kishi-san wants to save her and gives her a pairing, the person MIGHT BE Suigetsu . (Maybe I am crazy).

[Serenity Namikaze]

Yea if Sasuke is redeemed I don't see him living much longer. It really seems as if Sakura was going on a suicide mission but I'm sure she has a "1 up" ability or something we simply just don't know about at this point. I would even be willing to bet she ends up helping Naruto win the war. After all it's always been her goal to do something great for Naruto.

I wish that too ( for Sakura having a secret weapon). Because if she go facing Sasuke with only her fist power, I doubt it will be successful. As for her genjutsu talent, we didn't have the chance to see that one to much and with a genjutsu genius like an Uchiha (and a craze one, if I may say), alone, she's doom.

She's acting just like Naruto this proves how much he has changed her from a selfish annoying fan girl to a selfless hardworking stubborn medic ninja. Or perhaps she's acting more like part 1 Naruto facing strong enemies head on without thinking of a plan or a strategy.

I think it's both...beside, we says that love can make the smartest one doing the most foolish things

Edited by silverserenity, 05 February 2010 - 05:35 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

She's acting just like Naruto this proves how much he has changed her from a selfish annoying fan girl to a selfless hardworking stubborn medic ninja. Or perhaps she's acting more like part 1 Naruto facing strong enemies head on without thinking of a plan or a strategy.

But even Naruto let the other rookies help try to stop Sasuke from going to Orochimaru. He didn't try to knock them out and go at it alone. Naruto proved to be even smarter in that case. Suicidal Sakura is OOC in my opinion.

[ciardha]

But even Naruto let the other rookies help try to stop Sasuke from going to Orochimaru. He didn't try to knock them out and go at it alone. Naruto proved to be even smarter in that case. Suicidal Sakura is OOC in my opinion.

To me it just looks like Kishimoto is paralleling Tsunade's arc, she did much the same actions, but Sakura was feeling a lot of inward shame at having to knock her team mates out (where Tsunade felt no shame at letting them believe the lie that she would heal Orochimaru and no shame at knocking them out to keep them from danger) thus her openly ashamed look and lack of resistance when Sai revealed her plan to go it alone. She only gets angry when Sai says none of them are to take on Sasuke by order of Kakashi.

And remember her plans were made with the words of Sai and Shikamaru having an overwhelming influence. She's been hit with quite a load of emotional traumas recently and thinks she's making rational choices, but just like Shikamaru when Asuma was killed in front of his eyes, it's not as rational as either thought. Had Shikamaru, Ino and Chouji gone out on their own it would have been just as suicidal as Sakura's plan. Sakura, at least, was going to keep anyone else in her group from getting killed. It would be nice if this does make Kakashi take Sakura more seriously, and give her training time like he did Sasuke and Naruto.

Edited by ciardha, 05 February 2010 - 09:10 PM.

[socermania2]

Sasuke will still be redeemed. He just probably won't live afterwards.

At least now it's official, beyond any doubt, that Sasuke is evil, hit Karin on purpose, and has no hope in any pairing.

Beyond that, I'm not understanding Sakura. She is supposed to be the smartest kunoichi of her year and yet she is making choices based on her emotions rather than using her intellect. What really is her goal here? Even knowing Tobi is present and she thinks she can take on them all alone?

I don't understand.

I don't understand either. Maybe the next couple of chapters will make everything clearer.

And yes, Sasuke will be redeemed. For NaruSaku to happen he has to be redeemed.

[Serenity Namikaze]

i have to disagree he dosent need to be redeemd for NS to happen. But he will probly have a darth vader end

Sasuke redemption is not an essential point for N/S to be canon in the end. It true that saving sasuke was a good motivation for both of them, they both share mutual pain because of that but, they both did show that they care for one another without Sasuke being necessarily involve.

To me it just looks like Kishimoto is paralleling Tsunade\'s arc, she did much the same actions, but Sakura was feeling a lot of inward shame at having to knock her team mates out (where Tsunade felt no shame at letting them believe the lie that she would heal Orochimaru and no shame at knocking them out to keep them from danger) thus her openly ashamed look and lack of resistance when Sai revealed her plan to go it alone. She only gets angry when Sai says none of them are to take on Sasuke by order of Kakashi.

True, she doing it to protect everyone and her reaction only prove that point. She doesn't want to repeat the same mistake like the one in the PoaLT. She feel the need to redeem herself for the pain she cause not only for Naruto, but her other comrade that had risk their lives so far for the sake of Sasuke, because she was to weak to do anything useful at that time.

Edited by silverserenity, 05 February 2010 - 09:34 PM.

[ciardha]

And yes, Sasuke will be redeemed. For NaruSaku to happen he has to be redeemed.

No, when Sakura made her confession to Naruto and released him from that part of the POAL, it hit the split point of those two major plotlines. Now the narusaku development plotline is separate from whatever happens about Sasuke. Sakura loves Naruto, Naruto loves Sakura and they both know it's mutual now. Naruto doesn't know Sakura is aware of how much he loves her, he's still trying to wrap his head around the idea that she loves him- and he doesn't realize how deeply she does, but that's a plotline for Naruto and Sakura to work on with each other. Team 7 with Sasuke is smashed to smithereens, it will never be again.

[Nee-sama]

I'm just wondering when/what's gonna trigger or cause the Naruto training arc that Kishi mentioned during the latest interview?

He still has light/dark elements to train. They mentioned it briefly during the wind training. Maybe it would include Naruto training in time/space jutsu. He's certainly going to need to know a little bit about that to fight Madara.

~

I like how Danzo's death was written. It almost made me feel kinda sad for the guy. The yin and yang comparison actually kind of makes sense now that we know more about him. I had always thought he was evil incarnate, out for his own power and glory.
All the bad guys have this sad background or some kind of motivation that can be understood. It makes me think of Avatar in the episode where Zuko and Aang learn the history of how the war started: "All people are capable of doing great good or great evil." It certainly applies to Sasuke's character since he's done both.

[socermania2]

No, when Sakura made her confession to Naruto and released him from that part of the POAL, it hit the split point of those two major plotlines. Now the narusaku development plotline is separate from whatever happens about Sasuke. Sakura loves Naruto, Naruto loves Sakura and they both know it's mutual now. Naruto doesn't know Sakura is aware of how much he loves her, he's still trying to wrap his head around the idea that she loves him- and he doesn't realize how deeply she does, but that's a plotline for Naruto and Sakura to work on with each other. Team 7 with Sasuke is smashed to smithereens, it will never be again.

It's not absolutely essential; it doesn't HAVE to happen.

But I don't think Naruto and Sakura could happily coincide with each other w/o the thought of Sasuke constantly interfering their thoughts. Look at what has happened between Naruto and Sakura now, and Sasuke isn't even dead.

Like Naruto said, if he can't save Sasuke, he can't confess to Sakura.

If Sasuke dies w/o being redeemed, I don't think either of them could take it.

Him continuing to act like this will only make it worse, and if he dies w/o being redeemed, it will only make things bad.

Without Sasuke being saved, I think there's a huge wall between Naruto and Sakura.

But that's my opinion. You are free to disagree

Edited by socermania2, 05 February 2010 - 10:12 PM.

[Serenity Namikaze]

No, when Sakura made her confession to Naruto and released him from that part of the POAL, it hit the split point of those two major plotlines. Now the narusaku development plotline is separate from whatever happens about Sasuke. Sakura loves Naruto, Naruto loves Sakura and they both know it's mutual now. Naruto doesn't know Sakura is aware of how much he loves her, he's still trying to wrap his head around the idea that she loves him- and he doesn't realize how deeply she does, but that's a plotline for Naruto and Sakura to work on with each other. Team 7 with Sasuke is smashed to smithereens, it will never be again.

It's true, while at first, it's seem that most of NaruSaku development was cause because they both wanted to save Sasuke now, the two plot line are separate. Now, thank to Sai revelation, she now know Naruto's feeling for her. Before Sai revelation to Sakura, she was obvious to Naruto true feeling for her and the reason that he made the PoaLT in the first place. To her, Naruto made the PoaLT for both of them while, technically, the first and main reason was for Sakura happiness.
She had realize why Naruto have made that PoaLT in the first place, because he understood her pain for losing the one she loved, because he, in a way, have lose the one he love. That realization was a big slap in her face, the wake up call that make her the way she is now. I think that also in that moment the the plot of 'Saving Sasuke' and the NaruSaku love became different path. She made the confession not for the sake of 'saving Sasuke' but, for the sake of Naruto. Same goes with her wish to 'kill Sasuke', She know that old team 7 will never be a reality and that why she didn't tell Naruto because she want to 'save' him from the pain both she and Sasuke had cause him and protect him from further difficulties concerning Sasuke.

It's not absolutely essential; it doesn't HAVE to happen.

But I don't think Naruto and Sakura could happily coincide with each other w/o the thought of Sasuke constantly interfering their thoughts. Look at what has happened between Naruto and Sakura now, and Sasuke isn't even dead.

Like Naruto said, if he can't save Sasuke, he can't confess to Sakura.

If Sasuke dies w/o being redeemed, I don't think either of them could take it.

Him continuing to act like this will only make it worse, and if he dies w/o being redeemed, it will only make things bad.

Without Sasuke being saved, I think there's a huge wall between Naruto and Sakura.

But that's my opinion. You are free to disagree

Interesting point you have.

It's true that Sasuke is, right now, the wall between NaruSaku. However, the new thought of 'killing Sasuke' is still new for both of them. So far, it was absolutely unthinkable for both of them to kill him, it was saving him, there was no other option. Now, Sakura is realizing that Sasuke can't be save. Naruto have problem seeing that yet but eventually (I hope), he'll have to realize that Sasuke is to lost in his own darkness.

I think that, losing for good Sasuke could also make them closer. While they would grief, they would probably do it together. The only obstacle right now for NaruSaku is Naruto himself. His reaction after Sai and Gaara revelation was to much for him. Sakura have made up her mind concerning Sasuke while Naruto can't seen the killing option.

There is still the the theory of Sasuke being redeem but dying and honorable death. It would be painful but, I think it would make them remember the old sasuke they both knew without killing the possibility of NaruSaku development

Edited by silverserenity, 05 February 2010 - 11:31 PM.

[Dreamer]

It's not absolutely essential; it doesn't HAVE to happen.

But I don't think Naruto and Sakura could happily coincide with each other w/o the thought of Sasuke constantly interfering their thoughts. Look at what has happened between Naruto and Sakura now, and Sasuke isn't even dead.

Like Naruto said, if he can't save Sasuke, he can't confess to Sakura.

If Sasuke dies w/o being redeemed, I don't think either of them could take it.

Him continuing to act like this will only make it worse, and if he dies w/o being redeemed, it will only make things bad.

Without Sasuke being saved, I think there's a huge wall between Naruto and Sakura.

But that's my opinion. You are free to disagree

You must also realize Naruto was acting ignorant when he said that, trust me when Naruto sees Sasuke murdering innocent people in his village in the near future, the whole Sasuke redemption and having to do witha wall from NS will be thrown out the door for good.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 05 February 2010 - 11:59 PM.

[ciardha]

But I don't think Naruto and Sakura could happily coincide with each other w/o the thought of Sasuke constantly interfering their thoughts. Look at what has happened between Naruto and Sakura now, and Sasuke isn't even dead.

Ah but look what Kiba told Sakura. Sakura was right that his initial reaction was overwhelming, but we already saw Sakura was putting too negative a light on how Naruto would view her making the choice to kill Sasuke, he was quite shocked, but at Sai's words "she probably thought you'd hate her" Naruto look was clearly "I'd never hate her". No, the next Naruto and Sakura see each other it's going to be a reconciliation with romantic overtones.

Like Naruto said, if he can't save Sasuke, he can't confess to Sakura.

That was only because he didn't know she loved him and he made up those rules for himself because of that, she's released him from that. He'll be more open with her from now on.

If Sasuke dies w/o being redeemed, I don't think either of them could take it.

Him continuing to act like this will only make it worse, and if he dies w/o being redeemed, it will only make things bad.

Without Sasuke being saved, I think there's a huge wall between Naruto and Sakura.

Not at all. He was already starting to have his own doubts. That's why he got so mad, Sakura, Gaara, Sai were all saying things that were along the lines of his own doubts. When he wakes up he may still want to try to save Sasuke, but their words and Sakura's choice is going to change the way he feels. I think he will now feel- "I will try to save Sasuke, but if he won't listen to me, maybe the only way I can save him is to kill him."

In fact, I'm feeling more certain that Sakura will come across Karin, and save her from dying. Karin will tell Sakura her story and that will help Sakura's resolve to kill Sasuke take on a broader focus in her heart not just in her head. Then Naruto will hear Karin's story and that will shock and frighten him that what happened to Karin could have happened to Sakura. That will push him over the line into accepting the fact that Sasuke probably isn't redeemable. He's still going to want to try, but he's going to accept that it might be possible that the only way to save Sasuke is to kill him as quickly and mercifully as possible.

Will Naruto and Sakura be sad if Sasuke has to be put down like a rabid dog? Yes, but they'll deal with it together. Tsunade and Jiraiya were sad about Orochimaru's death, despite what a monster he was, but they dealt with it and it seems to have moved them closer to each other from their interactions we saw. It will be the same for Naruto and Sakura. It will be a mourning they can comfort each other with, knowing nothing else could have been done to save Sasuke. You can't save a person who violently rejects being saved.

[socermania2]

Ah but look what Kiba told Sakura. Sakura was right that his initial reaction was overwhelming, but we already saw Sakura was putting too negative a light on how Naruto would view her making the choice to kill Sasuke, he was quite shocked, but at Sai's words "she probably thought you'd hate her" Naruto look was clearly "I'd never hate her". No, the next Naruto and Sakura see each other it's going to be a reconciliation with romantic overtones.



That was only because he didn't know she loved him and he made up those rules for himself because of that, she's released him from that. He'll be more open with her from now on.



Not at all. He was already starting to have his own doubts. That's why he got so mad, Sakura, Gaara, Sai were all saying things that were along the lines of his own doubts. When he wakes up he may still want to try to save Sasuke, but their words and Sakura's choice is going to change the way he feels. I think he will now feel- "I will try to save Sasuke, but if he won't listen to me, maybe the only way I can save him is to kill him."

In fact, I'm feeling more certain that Sakura will come across Karin, and save her from dying. Karin will tell Sakura her story and that will help Sakura's resolve to kill Sasuke take on a broader focus in her heart not just in her head. Then Naruto will hear Karin's story and that will shock and frighten him that what happened to Karin could have happened to Sakura. That will push him over the line into accepting the fact that Sasuke probably isn't redeemable. He's still going to want to try, but he's going to accept that it might be possible that the only way to save Sasuke is to kill him as quickly and mercifully as possible.

Will Naruto and Sakura be sad if Sasuke has to be put down like a rabid dog? Yes, but they'll deal with it together. Tsunade and Jiraiya were sad about Orochimaru's death, despite what a monster he was, but they dealt with it and it seems to have moved them closer to each other from their interactions we saw. It will be the same for Naruto and Sakura. It will be a mourning they can comfort each other with, knowing nothing else could have been done to save Sasuke. You can't save a person who violently rejects being saved.

Even if they kill Sasuke-I don't think it'll be particularly healthy for NaruSaku.

Because of Sasuke, they've split apart now. Sakura wants to kill, and Naruto wants to save

I don't think they could see each other w/o potentially thinking of Sasuke a lot of the time.

If they get together, it'll be another emotional hurdle to overcome.

But if they do, they can do it. NaruSaku is just fresh

Getting Sasuke out of the way makes things alot better.

[Miss Soupy]

Even if they kill Sasuke-I don't think it'll be particularly healthy for NaruSaku.

When you say even if they kill Sasuke, are you referring to Sasuke being killed off in the end by plot, or Sasuke being killed off by Sakura or Naruto? Because there are ways Sasuke could be redeemed and then end up dying in which Naruto and Sakura could move on and be in a healthy relationship. However, I think you are right in saying if either Sakura or Naruto end up killing him, they will live with guilt the rest of their life. Might be why Sakura expects to die.

[Gravenimage]

Call me crazy but I think if Sasuke dies N/S will be more possible because they will grow closer to one another and they will become stronger together. A true couple has to endure all kinds of hardships that's how strong the power of love really is. Now love forming between two people who rarely see each other and speak to each other that's a little hard to believe. I believe Naruto and Sakura will talk and sort things out between them, Sakura has come to admit that the Sasuke she once knew is long gone and has accepted that he's a threat. She's willing to stop him the question is can Naruto admit that and willing to take his life??? I believe that will be the main drama in Naruto's character development.

Edited by Gravenimage, 06 February 2010 - 01:24 AM.

[Serenity Namikaze]

Even if they kill Sasuke-I don't think it'll be particularly healthy for NaruSaku.

We know that Sasuke is a big part in their life (well, at least, for Naruto because Sakura seem to be pretty determined to kill him) but, that doesn't mean they will go all depress and killing them self because Sasuke is gone. Yes, they will take it hard (mostly Naruto) but that mutual lost will, in my point of view, make them get closer than before. Like Gravenimage mention, it when we face hardships that we can see the strength of the bond. Naruto and Sakura are no exception. So far, they have share the hardship of losing Sasuke for the enemy together, they will survive losing him for good (even if it will be harder to accept, it won't be impossible). I believe that they can live without Sasuke and have an healthy relationship. Naruto freak out because the whole 'killing Sasuke' is still new to him and, for course, it harder for him to accept the fact that, maybe, he cannot be saved. So far, Naruto have always be able to save and protect the people he love when he could do something (Gaara being the greatest example). Naruto, will have to realize the concept that the Sasuke he once knew is gone (of course, that won't stop him for one last rescuing attempt).

Edited by silverserenity, 06 February 2010 - 03:14 AM.