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[Sakura Blossoms]

Naruto and Sasuke's abilities will be so disproportiate to everyone else that the only ninja capbable of beating them are themselves, just like the Super Saiyins were.

And what was wrong with how Dragonball Z was, and how the Super Saiyans used to power-up? From what I remember, and what is still true even today, DBZ was an incredibly popular and well-loved show because of all of those 'disproportionate' power-ups. It was fun to watch what level Goku would break through to next, and then to watch poor Vegeta always trailing after him, and constantly trying to catch up to Goku's level

So, let's all lighten up a little, and just watch and enjoy Naruto finally getting his chance to kick butt and look good doing it :thumbs:

[FullmetalNinja25]

And what was wrong with how Dragonball Z was, and how the Super Saiyans used to power-up? From what I remember, and what is still true even today, DBZ was an incredibly popular and well-loved show because of all of those 'disproportionate' power-ups. It was fun to watch what level Goku would break through to next, and then to watch poor Vegeta always trailing after him, and constantly trying to catch up to Goku's level

So, let's all lighten up a little, and just watch and enjoy Naruto finally getting his chance to kick butt and look good doing it :thumbs:

Agreed Shauna.

[Kirby]

But what about this --Click here to view--

"At this rate, she..."

Tsunade's either gonna die, or be severely weakened. Remember in Part I when Kakashi was talking to Sasuke 'bout his Chidori limit. "If you try to force a third Chidori, you'll expense all your chakra, and in the worst-case-scenario: DIE!" Look's like Tsunade's expended all of her chakra. I wonder why she didn't turn old though???

I also don't see why Naruto doesn't use his uber-waterfall-cutter wind jutsu's. They would come in handy and help with his long-range abilities.

I agree with Nate, about the dissproportianate abilities of Main characters. It makes the series less funny. How come Jiriaya, who had had years of experience with Sage/Hermit Mode, and was a full adult AND Sannin and had TWO toads on his shoulder, still had toad features on his face, when his STUDENT, a 15/16 year old genin, who learned Sage Mode in a WEEK, and didn't even need toads, didn't have any distortion on his face???

Edited by Auni, 31 December 2008 - 07:30 PM.

[Derock]

I agree with Nate, about the dissproportianate abilities of Main characters. It makes the series less funny. How come Jiriaya, who had had years of experience with Sage/Hermit Mode, and was a full adult AND Sannin and had TWO toads on his shoulder, still had toad features on his face, when his STUDENT, a 15/16 year old genin, who learned Sage Mode in a WEEK, and didn't even need toads, didn't have any distortion on his face???

Uh.. don't you guys read the message everyone was saying about that? (Kakashi, Fukasaku, Chiyo -from some extent- to name a few who said this, hell even Jiraiya said it but differently) : "The next generation will surpass the previous ones."

And this is Shonen manga where main characters will have disproportinated abilities to win a fight. No trying to apply real logic.

[Kirby]

Uh.. don't you guys read the message everyone was saying about that? (Kakashi, Fukasaku, Chiyo -from some extent- to name a few who said this, hell even Jiraiya said it but differently) : "The next generation will surpass the previous ones."

And this is Shonen manga where main characters will have disproportinated abilities to win a fight. No trying to apply real logic.

I realize the next gen. will surpass the previous, but really. Sasuke and Naruto are becoming uber, and other characters (like other members of the Konoha 11) aren't doing ANY surpassing at all. -.-

[jim1982]

we haven't really seen many of the other "konoha 11" fight, so as far as we know, they do have some uber skills.

As for the scroll on Naruto's back: It would seem that the current Toad Sage carries the Toad Contract. Jiraiya was the previous holder and now Naruto is the gama-sennin and holder of the contract. In essence Naruto can have anyone who he deems worthy sign it and such.

now this brings up weather Minato was ever a gama-sennin or not.

[Nate River]

Uh.. don't you guys read the message everyone was saying about that? (Kakashi, Fukasaku, Chiyo -from some extent- to name a few who said this, hell even Jiraiya said it but differently) : "The next generation will surpass the previous ones."

And this is Shonen manga where main characters will have disproportinated abilities to win a fight. No trying to apply real logic.

There's a difference between realism and logic. Alot of what happens isn't realistic, but that doesn't mean it has to be illogical.

There's a limitation to that justification. If that's all that's necessary to justify it, then why stop there? Why not have him acquire it in a day? Why stop at toad form, let's give him more Kyuubi control and spiky hair and lightning to boot. If logic is to be discarded then there shouldn't be a problem.

Moreover, it should cut across characters. I don't see how there could be any objection to Sasuke's development and acquisition of the Mangekyou, except that it's not fair for Naruto. I'm under the impression that people would be considerably less deferential to any lack of logic if the person receiving the benefits of it had black hair and a deceased family.

I don't care if Naruto and Sasuke end up the strongest, I do care if ends at a point where we could say all those SuperNaruto fics had it right with the rest of the Jonin and rookie nine so far behind that they look like academy level genin.

Seriously, in essentially two weeks worth of work he's acquired Sage Mode and RasenShuriken. If he decided to train using that method full time, what's the stopping point?

[jim1982]

There's a difference between realism and logic. Alot of what happens isn't realistic, but that doesn't mean it has to be illogical.

There's a limitation to that justification. If that's all that's necessary to justify it, then why stop there? Why not have him acquire it in a day? Why not just stop at toad form, let's give him more Kyuubi control and spiky hair and lightning to boot. If logic is to be discarded then there shouldn't be a problem.

Moreover, it should cut across characters. I don't see how there could be any objection to Sasuke's development and acquisition of the Mangekyou, except that it's not fair for Naruto. I'm under the impression that people would be considerably less deferential to any lack of logic if the person receiving the benefits of it had black hair and a deceased family.

I don't care if Naruto and Sasuke end up the strongest, I do care if ends at a point where we could say all those SuperNaruto fics had it right with the rest of the Jonin and rookie nine so far behind that they look like academy level genin.

Seriously, in essentially two weeks worth of work he's acquired Sage Mode and RasenShuriken. If he decided to train using that method full time, what's the stopping point?



And it's most popular pairing literally came out of nowhere. Why not slap Naruto and Hinata together right now? It worked in DBZ.

well It does lend it self to being fanficish at times, but I'm sure there will be some limit that they will hit.

as for the pairing, didn't DBZ concentrate more on strength and such not protecting those who are precious like in Naruto

[Hak]

One qestion popped on my mind. Now that Naruto has Yondaime like coat will that mean the toads has told him about his heritage?
It's just that if you get something like that, what has so undeniable link to someone pop-out any questions...

[Nate River]

One qestion popped on my mind. Now that Naruto has Yondaime like coat will that mean the toads has told him about his heritage?
It's just that if you get something like that, what has so undeniable link to someone pop-out any questions...

I doubt it. Naruto learning of his heritage will likely happen on screen. Of course, I thought the same thing about the others learning about Kyuubi and that didn't happen.

[Illmatic]

I realize the next gen. will surpass the previous, but really. Sasuke and Naruto are becoming uber, and other characters (like other members of the Konoha 11) aren't doing ANY surpassing at all. -.-

That's pretty much what happened in DBZ, It's just the way the genre is, Naruto is the Title Character, He's gonna be the strongest sooner or later.


I'd like the Konoha 11 stay relevant in terms of power, but even if they don't, I think it'll still be alright

[Sakura Blossoms]

That's pretty much what happened in DBZ, It's just the way the genre is, Naruto is the Title Character, He's gonna be the strongest sooner or later.

Which is why I don't really get all of this sudden complaining about Naruto being 'too powerful' all of a sudden. Especially after a year of complaints that he was 'too weak'. As you said, this is just how the genre of Shonen is, and I really don't understand why people are now expecting the genre to act differently than how it's always been. This is how DBZ was, this is how Bleach is, and this is how Naruto is as well, and you know what? All 3 of these series are at the top in terms of popularity and enjoyment, because people just enjoy them for what they are, and don't read them for what they 'aren't'.

So, as I said in a previous post we should just sit back, *chill*, relax, and enjoy Naruto finally getting the power-up that he so richly deserves, and just give Kishimoto time to unveil the rest of the plot that he has in store for our favourite, spiky-haired blond ninja

[Illmatic]

Which is why I don't really get all of this sudden complaining about Naruto being 'too powerful' all of a sudden. Especially after a year of complaints that he was 'too weak'. As you said, this is just how the genre of Shonen is, and I really don't understand why people are now expecting the genre to act differently than how it's always been. This is how DBZ was, this is how Bleach is, and this is how Naruto is as well, and you know what? All 3 of these series are at the top in terms of popularity and enjoyment, because people just enjoy them for what they are, and don't read them for what they 'aren't'.

So, as I said in a previous post we should just sit back, *chill*, relax, and enjoy Naruto finally getting the power-up that he so richly deserves, and just give Kishimoto time to unveil the rest of the plot that he has in store for our favourite, spiky-haired blond ninja

Ladies and Gentleman we have a winner

[Hak]

I doubt it. Naruto learning of his heritage will likely happen on screen. Of course, I thought the same thing about the others learning about Kyuubi and that didn't happen.

Well i'm just thinking about the possibility that it is shown in a flashback scene. All in all I have to admit that it is very unlikely, but I hope that the time is close overall...

[Kirby]

There's a difference between realism and logic. Alot of what happens isn't realistic, but that doesn't mean it has to be illogical.

There's a limitation to that justification. If that's all that's necessary to justify it, then why stop there? Why not have him acquire it in a day? Why stop at toad form, let's give him more Kyuubi control and spiky hair and lightning to boot. If logic is to be discarded then there shouldn't be a problem.

Moreover, it should cut across characters. I don't see how there could be any objection to Sasuke's development and acquisition of the Mangekyou, except that it's not fair for Naruto. I'm under the impression that people would be considerably less deferential to any lack of logic if the person receiving the benefits of it had black hair and a deceased family.

I don't care if Naruto and Sasuke end up the strongest, I do care if ends at a point where we could say all those SuperNaruto fics had it right with the rest of the Jonin and rookie nine so far behind that they look like academy level genin.

Seriously, in essentially two weeks worth of work he's acquired Sage Mode and RasenShuriken. If he decided to train using that method full time, what's the stopping point?

I agree

One qestion popped on my mind. Now that Naruto has Yondaime like coat will that mean the toads has told him about his heritage?
It's just that if you get something like that, what has so undeniable link to someone pop-out any questions...

I doubt it. He had a minute to react before poofing to Konoha

Fukasaku: Don't worry Naruto, the three of us can summon something really big

Naruto: Really! What is it!

Fukasaku: Hold on Naruto, we're gonna reverse summon

Naruto: YAY!!

Fukasaku: By the way...your-dad-was-the-fourth-hokage-and-he-sealed-the-kyuubi-which-made-your-entire-life-miserable-into-you.

Which is why I don't really get all of this sudden complaining about Naruto being 'too powerful' all of a sudden. Especially after a year of complaints that he was 'too weak'. As you said, this is just how the genre of Shonen is, and I really don't understand why people are now expecting the genre to act differently than how it's always been. This is how DBZ was, this is how Bleach is, and this is how Naruto is as well, and you know what? All 3 of these series are at the top in terms of popularity and enjoyment, because people just enjoy them for what they are, and don't read them for what they 'aren't'.

How is Bleach uneven? The main character is still getting pwned by the bad guys...IMO, Bleach is the only one out of those three that has reasonable-power-upping.

[Sakura Blossoms]

How is Bleach uneven? The main character is still getting pwned by the bad guys...IMO, Bleach is the only one out of those three that has reasonable-power-upping.

And wasn't Naruto getting 'pwned' by the bad guys until recently as well? The only real difference I see, is that Naruto is possibly coming to that point of wrapping up, while Bleach might possibly go on for a bit more, so Kishimoto is finally giving Naruto the power boost that people have been clamoring for, for the past year.

But you know what, I'm done. People will complain about Naruto being 'too weak', and they'll do it about him being so-called 'too strong'. Some people just aren't pleased no matter which way things go, so I'll just continue to enjoy this Shonen manga the way that I want to, and let everyone else enjoy or not enjoy it the way that best suits them ^^

[Paradox Jast]

I'm guessing this fight will span the next 8 to 10 chapters... if it bears any similarity to the Itachi/Sasuke fight.

Though with Pain being weak from performing Shinra Tensei, the fight may not last as long nor be as epic as many are hoping it will be.

Tsunade using her technique may cause her to go into a coma, if her chakra is indeed that low. Something will cause her to have to stop being Hokage, Kakashi is alive and will step up. But then there is Danzo to consider...

... and we still haven't heard a thing from/about Rock country. PLUS we're still waiting for the nin from Cloud to arrive.



Sheesh, there's still a lot to look forward to.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Sheesh, there's still a lot to look forward to.

Not denying that.

Just making the point that it's about time, and quite nice to see Naruto powered-up, and maybe Kishi has a specific reason for what some call this sudden 'over-powering' ^^

[No WhereMan]

How is Bleach uneven? The main character is still getting pwned by the bad guys...IMO, Bleach is the only one out of those three that has reasonable-power-upping.

You're kidding right? Ichigo getting his Bankai in 3 days when other Shinigami go decades of dedicated training to get one.

[NutMan]

Sakura's reaction reminded me of Naruto when he saw Sakura using her medical ninjutsu to heal Kankuro. "Sakura...You're so cool!" Am I the only person who thought of that scene when reading this chapter?

Also, I'm glad Naruto is finally strong. Why in the world would anyone complain about that? You realize that for the past 10 years he's been super weak(except during a few occasions) pretty much all the time right? I think it's obvious that Naruto is wrapping up. This is just about done folks. All that's left is the Akatsuki which will be finished soon and then Sasuke coming back to the village which might happen very soon as well.

Edited by NutMan, 02 January 2009 - 12:45 AM.