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#81 Sakura Blossoms

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 03:51 AM

QUOTE (Kamina-Yoshi @ Dec 9 2008, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I always get the sense of cynicism from you, Sakura, that's all. It just seems you're unnecessarily chiding him now on the silliest little things, like his suit, and the small minority of his supporters who thought he was the Messiah.

Well, that's your own personal opinion Yoshi. Just like mine is that I always get the sense from you that you tend to, when it comes to politics, post before you truly think about what you're typing, and because of your sometimes extreme views, even alienate and put off your fellow Democrats.

And also I voted for Obama to become President, because he ran his campaign like a well-oiled machine, and I truly believe that he is the best choice for being able to turn this country back around. So perhaps any 'cynicism' that you may be 'reading' may just be my amusement at politics, because politics can be a truly amusing and fascinating thing :3

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 04:53 AM

QUOTE (Kamina-Yoshi @ Dec 9 2008, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyways, yes, Fran Drescher. I'm personally supporting Caroline Kennedy for Senate. I'd like her in there more then Giuliani.


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Posted 10 December 2008 - 02:24 PM

Oh boy. More drama for Obama on the political trail XD
You see Yoshi. That was just amusement. Not cynicism. Amusement. Learn to find the humour in politics. It'll keep ya from getting an ulcer tongue.gif

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 09:53 PM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Dec 10 2008, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh boy. More drama for Obama on the political trail XD
You see Yoshi. That was just amusement. Not cynicism. Amusement. Learn to find the humour in politics. It'll keep ya from getting an ulcer tongue.gif

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Well, I don't think that really affects Obama much in the long run. I don't know if I'd call it drama, since it's really for ANOTHER democrat. Since he wasn't directly involved in it, I don't think a scandal will develop.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 03:14 AM

It's pretty much another guilt-by-association tactic, and of the ones slung before, this one has the least merit. Not that I'm defending the governor, he does seem like a pretty bad guy. He's actually the fifth Illinois govenor in 50 years to be arrested on corruption charges. laugh.gif As the article mentioned, they were pretty different to begin with and didn't work together much; if Obama's associations with a former terrorist and money launderer did not bother the American people, I doubt this one will either.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 03:41 AM

That article was on CBC. Didn't really get it, except for the part about the dude SELLING, his SEAT. I didn't even know they COULD do that, illegally or not
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Posted 11 December 2008 - 06:40 PM

QUOTE (Kodachi Claws @ Dec 10 2008, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's pretty much another guilt-by-association tactic, and of the ones slung before, this one has the least merit. Not that I'm defending the governor, he does seem like a pretty bad guy. He's actually the fifth Illinois govenor in 50 years to be arrested on corruption charges. laugh.gif As the article mentioned, they were pretty different to begin with and didn't work together much; if Obama's associations with a former terrorist and money launderer did not bother the American people, I doubt this one will either.


There is one thing I don't understand. Why is Obama out there saying he never talked to Blagojevich about the seat when the most exculpatory piece of evidence for him (Blago complaining that Obama wouldn't give him anything but graditude) proves that he in fact did? In order for that to be true, Obama had to have talked to Blago about this (at least someone from his administration definitely did). Axelrod said Obama talked to him two weeks ago on Fox and now the compaign claims Axelrod didn't know what he was talking about only after Blagojevhich is in trouble. It's tough to buy the retraction given the timing of it.

At this point there is no evidence Obama has done anything wrong and Blagojevich's statements back that up, so why go out there say that ? I can fully understand not saying anything (if he knew anything about the investigation) until after Blagojevich was arrested or revealing details about others they may be looking into, but why deny the obvious (especially if people are going to rely on the evidence they do) It seems to be his modus operandi that every time someone connected to him either does or says something stupid or has a questionable background Obama doesn't have a clue about who they were or what they did.

Jeremiah Wright
William Ayers
Father Pfleger
Tony Rezko
Jim Johnson


On Rezko and Wright, he claimed they weren't the people he thought they were and that Ayers was just some guy in the neighborhood (and then Obama thought he was reformed). Exactly how many times does he get to use the guilt by association defense before I can ask questions about either his awareness (if he truly didn't know) or his judgment and honesty? If all these guys are no big deal, why work so hard to downplay those relations to the point where he looks dishonest (specifically regarding Ayers and Wright) in doing so? Otherwise, just admit it and be done with it. It's not the relationships that bother so much as his inability to be honest about them and his consistent reliance on the "I didn't know" defense.

On the evidence available, he clearly has done nothing illegal or wrong in this case and any guilt implied would have to be association at this point. My problem is not that he did anything illegal, but that he goes out appears to deny the obvious when admitting does little harm and is consistent with the very evidence exculpatating him.

Part of the reason the association is being made is because of his connection to Chicago politics which has been a notorious bed of corruption at least since 1960 when a significant number of dead people helped win the state for JFK. As you said, since 1970 Blagojevich is the fifth governor to be charged with corruption. Blago's predecessor is still in jail for what he did.

There's no proof at this point outside of his accosiations that he was tainted by the politics there, so it's pretty much a very weak inference and without more than that I'm not going to hold it against him.

If nothing else like this happens anytime soon, it won't matter because people will forget about it. It's going to depend partly on how far reaching this thing is and what follows, but if this is all there is too it, I can't imagine harming him much outside of being a general pain in the ass for him. The people suffering the most damage (outside the obvious) would mostly likely be done at the state level, though I don't know what you do when both your past Republican and Democrat govenor's get charged with crap like this. It's not like the state Republicans can claim their the party will fix corruption in Illinois any more than the Democrats can. They all have dirty hands.

Oh, and before I forget, Jessie Jackson Jr. and the Internaional Service Employee's Union may be in deep trouble before this is done.

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 11:10 PM

A very interesting read happy.gif

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 04:19 PM

Bush tries to defend his presidency in a final news conference :rolleyes:

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 04:28 PM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jan 12 2009, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bush tries to defend his presidency in a final news conference :rolleyes:

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Sure, he had admitted his mistakes while he was in office. I had to listen to the whole conference while laying down on my bed.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 06:40 PM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jan 12 2009, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bush tries to defend his presidency in a final news conference :rolleyes:

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Useless.

Seriously, those that support him think it's unnecessary and those that don't aren't going to take him seriously not matter what he says. Everyone's made up there mind, so this is pointless.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 07:01 PM

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Useless.

Seriously, those that support him think it's unnecessary and those that don't aren't going to take him seriously not matter what he says. Everyone's made up there mind, so this is pointless.

What exactly is useless and pointless? Him trying to defend himself, or me posting the link?

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 07:24 PM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jan 12 2009, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What exactly is useless and pointless? Him trying to defend himself, or me posting the link?


Sorry, that wasn't very clear. I meant him trying to defend himself.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 07:40 PM

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Sorry, that wasn't very clear. I meant him trying to defend himself.

Ah, okay XD

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 05:26 AM

It might be pointless for everybody but for him it might have been important, maybe he had something on his mind and he had to take it out of his mind and do something to clear his mind out of it. So he apologised. I think its good and maybe in the future, history will judge him more positivly.
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Posted 17 January 2009 - 08:15 PM

This is a really nice and insightful profile article on Obama happy.gif

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 10:53 PM

Your opinions??

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 11:00 PM

I agree with Obama's action.

Why?

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 11:05 PM

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What I wonder is....what does he plan to do with these people? Alot of these people....their home countries don't want them back.

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 11:12 PM

Seems like a move in the right direction, but I do wonder what kind of answers to "important questions" they are trying to get out those people.

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