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[Nate River]

I feel like I am missing something here.

How does that interview trash NH? The translation comes across as him making fun whoever Taniguchi is. That's not the same, not even close, as him conceding that is the only merit to Hinata's character. I think people are reading way too much into that.

As to his description of her in the shadows...well, yeah, that's apparent on it's face. So what?

He does knock SS, though I doubt its intentional. He does concede that he couldn't come up with a believable reason for her to like him so he just ignores it. It seems like he is just stating a fact rather than trying to openly insult it though. It's a bad sign that he cannot come up with such a reason, but I can't make the leap that he saying that to trash it or that he even thinks it a bad couple.

[Nostradamus]

I feel like I am missing something here.

How does that interview trash NH? The translation comes across as him making fun whoever Taniguchi is. That's not the same, not even close, as him conceding that is the only merit to Hinata's character. I think people are reading way too much into that.

As to his description of her in the shadows...well, yeah, that's apparent on it's face. So what?

He does knock SS, though I doubt its intentional. He does concede that he couldn't come up with a believable reason for her to like him so he just ignores it. It seems like he is just stating a fact rather than trying to openly insult it though. It's a bad sign that he cannot come up with such a reason, but I can't make the leap that he saying that to trash it or that he even thinks it a bad couple.

It's not really trashing NH, more like trashing the people that like Hinata. This Taniguchi guy said that his favorite character is Hinata, to which Kishi replied with basically "Well let me guess it's because of her big balloons" this could be interpreted as a jab at her fans because the only reason they like her is because of her big chest. Or we could just be reading too much into this.

 

I guess it's a matter of perspective.

[TerrorKing]

Kishi is basically admitting that there is no explanation for SS other than Sakura's fangirlism, thus proving that SS has no real substance. Then again, that much was apparent when he admitted that he has no idea how Sasuke and Sakura got together. 

 

I will agree that he's not really bashing NH, but it really does seem like he's taking a subtle jab at the people who only like Hinata for her large breasts. Of course since Hinata's sex appeal is a big part of what made her so popular to begin with, it's reasonable to suggest that it was also the reason for NH becoming canon. It's a matter of perspective.

 

The heroine comment is just more damage control. So Hinata is the type of heroine that has no connection to the overall plot or the central conflict of the story, is never a significant part of the life of the hero and is absent for large parts of the story?   

 

Now don't get me wrong, it's not like Sakura is a perfect heroine either, but she's a whole lot better than Hinata. At least she was a part of Team 7. At least she had some understanding of what was going on between Naruto and Sasuke. At least she tried to stand by and support Naruto during his struggles. She was sometimes absent for large parts of the series, but then again she's a woman and Kishi has never been good with female characters. 

 

This is both funny and sad. It's funny watching Kishi trying to rationalize this kitten ending while also taking jabs at the fandom. However it's also sad that this is what Naruto has become. 

Edited by TerrorKing, 22 July 2015 - 05:38 PM.

[sakuraxuzumaki]

The interview once again makes ou wonder how Kishi really feels about the pairing, this along with the Gaiden, pretty much confirmed that the pairings of SS aand NH is a failure, he showed us how SS does not work,  they dispite being married do not spend time any time together, and Hinata dispite being married to Naruto is still in the background insignificant.
 
The way he answered the questions, you like Hinata because she's big breasted, was a direct hit at all the Hinata fans, then the part about Hinata being a heroine who stays in the shadows, again a hit at the NH fandom, it could be interpreted as she's the heroine that stayed in te shadows, watching him being abused by others and never did anything.
 
Then a parts about SS, he pretty much told everyone, their relationship doesn't work. because it's an obsession.
 
what was also interesting was the answer to why the person liked Hinata, he said she was weak and she grew stronger. The thing is Hinata was never weak, she was weak willed, she had her bloodline, compared to Naruto and Sakura she had allot more going for her, she was just too soft to be rushless that she needed to be. her bloodline was always with her, Sakura was allot weaker, all she had was her intelligence. Using that as an excuse of liking her over Sakura makes no sense, when one went from a clanless genin with no prior training to Kage level to one being weak when compared to the other Hyuuga leaders (but still strong compared to other genin.) to reaching the level considered acceptable for a Hyuuga leader. One was so weak that she couldn't beat another girl who also neglected her training, the other lost to a genius after going toe to toe with them at the Chuunin exams, which one sounds like the weaker from the two originally?  Also Hinata merilly reached a level she should have been at with all her training, another exceeded everyones expectations and went from low genin to third strongest in her village.

SOO TRUE~!!
Hinata came from a clan & basically had her gene pool with her, but even that she failed within her clan, while Sakura basically went from classless "weak ninja parents" to basically a summoning Sage with Kage strength
And yet all the NH fans are all "she's the heroine"
With her lion Pom poms

[rocci]

@nate
Hinata fan said that Hinata always support naruto.
Now, kishi confirm that she's just a fanservice character and basically a stalker.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@nate
Hinata fan said that Hinata always support naruto.
Now, kishi confirm that she's just a fanservice character and basically a stalker.

This.

[Nar123]

 

 

It’s just like you said the fandom is toxic to the story, so how can you not blame them? They were the ones asking for NH romance and they got it. It probably didn’t matter that much to Kishi who Naruto would end up with as he never intended it to be a love story in the first place. So it simply came down to which ship had the loudest following and that proved to be NH. Kishi did them a favor because without them Naruto most likely wouldn’t be this much popular. SP is to blame as well because of their fanservice that had made a lot of fans become obsessed with NH. Yes I ultimately blame Kishi for fking up his story, but you can’t blame him for everything, he didn’t do it all by himself and we don’t know what he was going through when he was writing the ending.

 

I can't blame the fandom for the way the story turned out, I can blame them for turning the fans discussions into hell however.

You generalize the fandom, it's not like everyone in the fandom was wishing for a NH romance or whatever, I mean we are/were part of the fandom weren't we? And we did not wish for a kitten shoujo like NH romance .

 

Naruto's not a story based on romance, you're right but in it's later years it became quite the big factor because of pairing teases and the involvement of it into one of the MC's plot lines and development ( Sakura) to the point the pairing fandom got even more prominence than before,following this pairing tease angle constantly and making the pairings into something important was Kishi's fault, if he had one single idea and followed through since the beginning, setting up things fror that there would be no need for the drama that was the pairing wars

 

And...really...without the pairings Naruto wouldn't be as popular? Sorry but there was a time when the neutral fandom was bigger than the pairing one, today is different but that's because the only ones that are still following the story are mostly the NH/SS fans

 

Also I feel you're not getting my point, ultimately Kishi is the one who chose this outcome, the final decision came from him until further notice, mangaka ( when their manga turns big at least) are very prestigious people in japan, their final decisions can't be simply overruled ( just look at legends like Togashi and Miura with their big ass hiatus), Kishi's decisions are what ultimately ruined the story and that's final...of course one can raise the matter of the supposed editorial pressure from SP or SJW, and in this case both of these companies deserve part of the blame too, however the last decision was KIshi's and ultimately he chose to make something that was incoherent with a big part of his story

 

 

 

Well, if you want to be technical, you personally can be blamed for your own disappointment for following this series in the first place. Some fans saw his horrible writing since the beginning and and kind of knew exactly where it was headed. So if you're disappointed, it can be said that it was your choice to follow the series and take it as seriously as you did.

Just saying.

With enough logical reasoning, you can put the blame on anyone beyond Kishimoto...for example....It wasn't Kishimoto's doing or idea to put fillers for the Naruto anime being severely focused on Hinata and her overly sexualized 12-14 year old body being naked in a waterfall. if the fillers is what made Hinata popular, then Kishimoto has no part in her popularity growing. It was the workings of a biased anime studio who had hard ones for their precious Hinata,

 

 

I'm glad to be one of the fans that saw the horrible writing and stopped accompanying the series, thank you.

I just came back near the end to get closure, marathoned the chapters that I didn't had read yet and then hoped the ending could at least end in a good note, sadly that wasn't the case

 

About SP, yeah, they deserve part of the blame too especially because the last was originally their idea 

Edited by Nar123, 23 July 2015 - 01:28 AM.

[SuperChief]

I only just got around to reading the interview and for a good minute there I was convinced I was reading a parody.

 

At this point, all I need is Kishimoto to acknowledge NS. That'll be enough for me to move on for good.

[redrose3443]

In a few years, Naruto is gonna be that joke manga that people recommend to their friends and strangers on the internet. Or at least Gaiden, since I swear it's an SS fanfiction.

[Legend054]

 

 

 

I can't blame the fandom for the way the story turned out, I can blame them for turning the fans discussions into hell however.

You generalize the fandom, it's not like everyone in the fandom was wishing for a NH romance or whatever, I mean we are/were part of the fandom weren't we? And we did not wish for a kitten shoujo like NH romance .

 

I was referring to majority of NH/SS fans, that should've been obvious. I blame them because they were a big influence fpr the way everything turned out. I know we can never change their minds, but if they knew any better, they wouldn't have ask or influence Kishi to make that ending.

 

 

 

 

And...really...without the pairings Naruto wouldn't be as popular? Sorry but there was a time when the neutral fandom was bigger than the pairing one, today is different but that's because the only ones that are still following the story are mostly the NH/SS fans

 

The shipping fans sure did help Naruto become popular.

 

 

 

Also I feel you're not getting my point, ultimately Kishi is the one who chose this outcome, the final decision came from him until further notice, mangaka ( when their manga turns big at least) are very prestigious people in japan, their final decisions can't be simply overruled ( just look at legends like Togashi and Miura with their big ass hiatus), Kishi's decisions are what ultimately ruined the story and that's final...of course one can raise the matter of the supposed editorial pressure from SP or SJW, and in this case both of these companies deserve part of the blame too, however the last decision was KIshi's and ultimately he chose to make something that was incoherent with a big part of his story

I get your point and I don't disagree with anything. I feel like you're the one not getting me here. I already said that Kishi is to blame ultimately. In the end Kishi is to blame as you've already explained. You were pretty much just restating what I said, Kishi shouldn't get all the blame because SP were also a part of it.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

All I need from Kishi is to rant off after the film finale and no holding back his resentment towards the editors, SP and the pairing fans.

[Hanabi]

I only just got around to reading the interview and for a good minute there I was convinced I was reading a parody.

 

At this point, all I need is Kishimoto to acknowledge NS. That'll be enough for me to move on for good.

well junko said the narusaku bond is deeper than a lover's bond.. the voice actress value characters better than the author himself lol.

Edited by Hanabi, 24 July 2015 - 09:27 PM.

[Nar123]

well junko said the narusaku bond is deeper than a lover's bond.. the voice actress value characters better than the author himself lol.

 

The VA's also talked a lot of kitten in this same interview, ridiculous nonsensical things like "Sasuke being afraid of his wiffe and daughter" 

 

 

 

I was referring to majority of NH/SS fans, that should've been obvious. I blame them because they were a big influence fpr the way everything turned out. I know we can never change their minds, but if they knew any better, they wouldn't have ask or influence Kishi to make that ending.

 

 

 

The shipping fans sure did help Naruto become popular.

 

I get your point and I don't disagree with anything. I feel like you're the one not getting me here. I already said that Kishi is to blame ultimately. In the end Kishi is to blame as you've already explained. You were pretty much just restating what I said, Kishi shouldn't get all the blame because SP were also a part of it.

 

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree

 

Our point of view is different, while you blame the NH/SS fandom for influencing Kishi , I blame Kishi for being the one that was "influenced", a true author shouldn't write his story based on what his fans want

 

it's simple...I just don't see in what part did the NH/SS fandom contribute for the ending being kitten, as I said though, I think most of them contributed in making the fandom into a horrible place 

 

And no man, the "ships" attracted fangirls and fanboys, but the majority of the fans weren't watching/reading Naruto for the ships, it's just that with these last few years there was almost nothing interesting to discuss regarding the story because almost everyone knew how it was going to end, so ultimately the only thing left to discuss was "which is going to be the end pair ?", which frankly, is quite pathetic for a shounen manga

 

I didn't came to be interested in Naruto due to shipping for example, me shipping NS was just a natural conclusion because the story I was reading was obviously leading up to such ending

Edited by Nar123, 25 July 2015 - 01:47 AM.

[rocci]

@nar123
Shonen battle manga may has romance.
Naruto is shonen battle manga with romantic subplot take over the ending aka nh & ss.

I really agree with your last paragraph.

[Sarahmint]

There's already a little part of it translated and surprise, surprise...it looks like we got our typical Kishi  BS

 

http://sparda3g.tumb...-your-favourite

He thinks it's funny!

 

Sadistic bastard.  

 

Kishi has no love for Sasuke.

Edited by Sarahmint, 25 July 2015 - 04:04 AM.

[rocci]

He thinks it's funny!
 
Sadistic bastard.  
 
Kishi has no love for Sasuke.

I think he love sasuke the most.

[rikakim94]

I think he love sasuke the most.

 

That's very very obvious. I never understood the sasuke obsession at ALL.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

@nar123
Shonen battle manga may has romance.
Naruto is shonen battle manga with romantic subplot take over the ending aka nh & ss.

I really agree with your last paragraph.

Look at Mobile Fighter G-Gundam for instance.

One of the most mocked/hated Gundam series of the franchise for its over-the-top shonen action (I actually think it's one of the best alternate universe Gundam series' compared to the popular ones like Wing, SEED/SEED Destiny, and 00) and yet the romance between Domon and Rain is leagues above what we get in Naruto, but it never completely dominated the entire story. Even at the very end, with the cheesy "love conquers all" style message with the finishing attack, at best, it played alongside the primary plot in defeating the Devil Gundam.

[Bail o' Lies]

Has the entire interview been translated yet?

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 27 July 2015 - 08:00 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Has the entire interview been translated yet?

Does it matter? All anyone cares about is the pairings and I believe that section is the only time he mentions the pairings at all.