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#81 Inferno180

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:42 AM

I am going to say this again. The jump from Naruto being on the ground along with Sasuke to them both standing and saying "Let's go" is weird. There is something missing. Even if not for a pairing moment, it feels like there is missing panels of them actually waking up. It's too huge of a jump.
I have a funny feeling this will play a role later down the road and the "Wake up scene" will be fleshed out. Just remember that just because we don't get it now, doesn't mean we won't get it at all.
They could have confessed their love right there for all we know....I know a stretch, but you can't tell me "That's it." I know Kishi's style too much now and I know he likes to withhold information till a certain point in time.
I am confident we will see something happen with these scene later down the road. Not now, but later...
BTW, No offense, Smiter, but I think I was ambiguous enough to not actually consider what I said to be a "spoiler," but whatever. Just saying.

This is exactly what I mean, I mean while some fans many prance around saying it's an anti ns or sk deal, you cannot have anything negative from something which doesn't exist, that being the moments we expected. I mean some fans may try to make stupid excuses of them both saying let's go as a means to say anti ns or so, but they are just moving to battle. If anything it's better what happened for us recently than hinata going face down in the dirt. There's a difference between not having a moment and just missing the opportunity for pairing growth entirely in a situation. We at least got 662 and 663, while the execution for the end of the recovery situation wasn't ideal for us anyways, it's better we got something in the long run from it. Nh is in no shape to go running around boasting anything when hinata couldn't even participate in the events, and we can say this with confidence:

Sakura's past development, along with the stuff from 663 this will go forward, while one potential moment didn't occur, there are many more that still can occur in the future. Better we got what we did than nothing at all, sakura got time and development, if anything 663 was important so let's be happy with what we got. It's the fact that she vowed to keep him alive and supporting his dream and wants him to become hokage, that scene right there is basically why we enjoy ns, support in one part, and development in how far she went for him to save and preserve his dream. As I said before, better to have sakura with this than like hinata still lying face down in the dirt.

I mean the whole deal I was expecting, was in truth some interaction with obito for this wake up scene, Sakura's part just part of the relief. While we are just back to battle now, this does make things feel like a void situation, like something important for both naruto and Sasuke was passed, but they are both more concerned and concentrating on what happened with the sage, their characters do that from time to time, just go right for the important stuff. The better thing to say though, in the past series of events, having a moment at least with stuff like 663 is better than none at all, I mean again, this whole war nh got only one moment which was well, you know how fans reacted to 631. Otherwise SS has been well, negative. I mean the best is yet to come. I mean while this is a chapter we could enjoy for guy cracking open madaras face, it's just something we were expecting a bit too much, but given this type of situation it wasn't uncalled for, I mean nh fans predicted that some other stuff would occur beyond 615 but in 616 it just ended so soon, we at least got some mileage for ours. Things are still otherwise good on our end, more will come in time. And as said before, while it's unlikely flashbacks may come there's always more to reveal in time. This was a good time for ns fans as the situation lasted but time to see naruto and Sasuke fight. There will be more ns stuff in the future, we just need to wait a while longer, but it's better than what's gone on with well, nh and SS we can say that much at least.

Besides for what we got with them awake, I'm happy sakura looked happy, it's not anything like the ova from 2011 but oh well, on with the show, more ns stuff will come later, because just think about it, if we did get a moment, perhaps this pairing war would be done and set in stone, otherwise it would have been more rage from nh and SS fans, maybe it's good in someways it didn't happen, but for the most part, yes I wish we got the moment but we just need to wait and see what lies ahead for Ns. I mean we got the development, we have parallelism as a side bonus, we have the Kushina foreshadow, we had development in this situation unlike nh, so while it wasn't as good as we hoped, it was better than what others wanted and that still counts for something, we need to just be happy with what we got in 663 and don't worry, this will still build in sakura I mean when the time comes for naruto and Sasuke to fight, I'm pretty sure we know who she will support, the guy who she wants to become hokage, because remember, supporting ones goals is just a bigger way if saying how much one cares, sakura cares a lot for naruto at this point wanting him to be hokage. She doesn't trust Sasuke, so things are still otherwise good for ns. It's just one moment we hoped for but didn't get, better this than say hinata being related to kagyua or some random crap like that. Things will work out in time, ns will come back, just not right now.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:47 AM

I'm disappointed. Kishi had to give Naruto some never before mentioned power to save Gai which takes all the meaning out of his sacrifice. Furthermore Madara is letting Gai attack him when he could have used a genjutsu or used Susanoo or anything besides just standing around waiting to be hit. It also makes no sense for Gai to be able to do this so easily considering how much raw power Madara is wielding. Naruto with a 4 tail chakra cloak was far more durable than Madara is right now. If a 4 tail cloak gives that much speed, durability, and raw power then having the Juubi should be overwhelmingly powerful compared to any normal ninja. Keep in mind that Madara before getting any Bijuu chakra was able to defeat all the kages with ease. It would have been much better if Gai was simply able to force Madara to act defensively without doing any major damage until Naruto returned. That would have at least been believable.

 

Honestly Kishi is just so inconsistent with the power of these characters and is making Madara look like an idiot. I just hope he doesn't mess up the final fight.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:49 AM

at least sakura was crying with joy... I understand the moment... the world is in danger, there's no time for pairings situations....


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:55 AM

I will say for the page we got, I did get one thing right, the design of the past few chapters with naruto and Sasuke on one end each from events like in 662 of them lying down, the girls crying over them, the stuff kabuto said with him and obito, the talk with the sage and getting power and now this, that was within my expectations, despite no big moment we wanted because of the potential, it's still a nice design in the page so while it's not the ova 2011 stuff we hoped for, or even a hug at the least, this is still fine to me. Maybe it will be expanded on, maybe not but things are still good for ns, we always have the future.

In all respect guys, I feel like some of you are reacting to the way I did with the whole recent openings and endings, I mean I was upset but that's cause I felt it was sp going overboard and giving a mixed signal to the audience from what results soon after 615 because of the emphasis they put on it despite it not changing anything for nh.

In this case it's disappointing we didn't get our wanted moment, but it's not a shortcoming to ns itself, better we got what we did than what happened to nh now isn't it? Hinata tripping and unable to even take part in this event was worse than us not getting a moment, we at least got something out of the event. Maybe we dreamed too high, was it bad though I mean the setup was good for it, besides there's much more ahead like the naruto vs Sasuke stuff which I feel is where the real biggest stuff will occur, plus there's the war aftermath. But yeah things are still otherwise good for us. This isn't like when we had to deal with the issue of 3 weeks from 615 or the long hashirama flashback. It's a good oh well, let's move to the next point then, I mean in truth, just how much more does ns actually need before it needs to be canon? It's still closer than the others and still has the best chance of getting there. I'm not worried, ns will come, just one missed moment isn't going to stop it.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:59 AM

I'm a lot disappointed that Kishi skipped the awakening scene...

Though I love Naruto's entrance...


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:07 AM

at least sakura was crying with joy... I understand the moment... the world is in danger, there's no time for pairings situations....

How do you know she was crying? I'm looking at the panel now and I can't see that.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:12 AM

How do you know she was crying? I'm looking at the panel now and I can't see that.


Least she is smiling, that's the good part of this at least.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:14 AM

I felt the chapter was rushed. But only on the parts of the development such as what the power given to Naruto and Sasuke is and also that Gai being revived from death which defeats the purpose of things in a sense, but I won't complain because I personally don't like characters being killed off, especially if I truly get to know them through the story. that is not to say I never want t a character killed off but remember just be cause a character dying just to make a realistic feel to the story does not always mean that it is a good plot point No NS moment which disappoints me But I write up on why later. (I'm back by the way, hehehehehehehehe)


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:14 AM

Gai is just an absolute beast! His final attack is just insane landing a killing blow to OP Madara... Didn't expect Naruto to save him as that did kind of ruin his sacrifice although I don't really want Gai to die.

 

So both Naruto and Sasuke are like on the same level now? I still get the feeling Naruto is stronger because of Kurama along with the bit of chakra he had of Shukaku and Gyukki. Where the heck his Killer Bee? I assume he must be dead by now since he had his Bijuu extracted? :/ 

 

I was also quite pissed he skipped the possible NS interaction, however it does make a bit of sense. Perhaps it's better to skip so Kishi can go back to it with more detail at a later point, maybe when the war is over? Otherwise if he had done it now it might have had to be rushed so that Naruto could get to Gai before he got killed.

Just an idea but I guess logically it makes some sense so we'll just have to see, hopefully Naruto has a new mode and just destroys Madara.

 

Overall good chapter, not the best but more so I really enjoyed seeing Gai just mess up Madara, quite epic as he deserved some way to showcase the 8th gate and this arc is likely the only chance left for characters besides maybe anyone in Team 7 to showcase any other abilities.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:16 AM

How do you know she was crying? I'm looking at the panel now and I can't see that.

 

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:18 AM

I liked this chapter, I can see why there can't be any sentimental reunion due the situation so I'm cool with it.

Though I don't get how Obito is still in good conditions, maybe we will find out next week?
I also have the feeling that the Naruto in front of Madara might be a clone.

 
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Oh wow I didn't see it! Great quality! I love her expression!

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:25 AM

Really, I don't want to complain but all this is totally OOC for Sakura to not cry of relief at least. She's like that. She cry a lot. I know it's war and that she has grown up. But Naruto was about to die. Some people are saying that she's tearing up. I don't see anything. How can you see this ? >> OK I saw the bigger image. It looks like she's tearing up and her expression is complex. I would have liked to see it in better quality though. Thank you anyway.

You know what ? Kishi rushed it because he wanted to make ANOTHER PARALLEL DRAWING between Naruto and Sasuke, to show their opposite powers. He might have shown nothing if he didn't want to make that drawing of Naruto and Sasuke. The girls don't count anymore in this scenario. They are here, but they are like rocks. Same for Obito and Kabuto. It's also totally weird that Obito didn't say anything to Naruto, or the other way around, and that he didn't fall down yet. How long is he going to survive ? That's kittening surreal.

I love Naruto's entrance, and his power looks like to be about life force. I was sensing something like that when Naruto made mokuton grow in trees.
I love it.

But all this feel rushed.

Kishimoto spend a lot of time on flashbacks for us to believe that Gai would be dead for sure. All this time he could have manage some place to do the wake up scene better.

I'm afraid Sakura will fall in the background right now... We probably will saw her later with Obito. Maybe they will stay in Kamui and she will heal him. I don't know...

How can some people believed Kishimoto would reincarnate Kaguya in Hinata ? LOL
He even doesn't handle Sakura in a good way.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:29 AM

And with that tear, I can say I'm suddenly more content now, eh who knows, maybe the anime will make a bit of a scene out if this, maybe this will turn into something like how sakura looked at her team 7 picture but in the anime, at that part yamatos words entered her head. But a tear is nice enough. The whole design of the stuff between naruto and sasuke in that early page though, that had a lot of comparisons between them,right down to where just by design how he made the scene, that's what i like about it, I mean character and panel placement don't mean anything pairing wise but designwise it was nice. I mean he did this a couple times the past few chapters.

Guess to all those disspointed, it's not as bad as you think. But hey again, ns is still up and fine, we will get the moment we wanted here in the future, who knows maybe with the end of Madara, we will get some victory scene? Yes Kishi could have done better,but I'm happy to at least see this, not ova 2011 or hug stuff we hoped for, but this is fine.

And otaru just remember this,whatever Kishi doesn't do well to sakura, it's worse on all other females save tsunade, I mean if sakura hasn't been handled well, hinata is an absolute mess. He handles sakura well in most other cases, and as people are shouting now naruto has some revival technique,well let's see if he is suddenly got the Jesus healing touch or what. Sakura's purpose never came to power, her role as a character has always been more mentally driven than physically and it's there kishi still does well with her when it counts. He could have done sakura better in many ways but as she is, it's still better than his other females. Tsunade is the only one he handled without real issue. Sakura however it's good he gave her the long complex development he did, that's the mental aspect that makes her a good character, not the perfect heroine but it's her normality and imperfections that make her like able because she has others well being in mind. Besides her caring for naruto is just one of her longest changing developments, that change from hate towards naruto to where she is with him now along with her other development, physical wise and mental wise is what keeps her from being a token romance character, I mean she changed and still is changing in the story, it's better to say ns can come because of the dynamic changes rather than convienetlt for nh because hinata always loved naruto and naruto just suddenly switched to hinata after years of development with sakura. This is what sets sakura and ns from being just convienent fodder characters and pairings like hinata and nh,

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:31 AM

 

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nah,is a coffee stain :hm:



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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:33 AM

What the kitten!? i just read, what kind of powerup Naruto received, how did he managed to rebound Madara's attack when even on full kurama mode he wasnt capable of doing that.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:38 AM

 

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Nice, I completely didn't pay attention to this panel since I somewhat speed read the chapter. It's actually kinda funny that the two 'Villians' that originally started this war were by Naruto/Sasuke's side respectively along with Sakura/Karin.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:38 AM

 

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Okay, I can see what you're referring to now but this detail is so small that it's unreliable. I would imagine that if you had the actual page you would have to hold it under a magnifying glass in good lighting to be able to see it.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:43 AM

^ It looks like a tear to me.
 
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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:48 AM

Okay, I can see what you're referring to now but this detail is so small that it's unreliable. I would imagine that if you had the actual page you would have to hold it under a magnifying glass in good lighting to be able to see it.

 

honeslty; I've noticed it even I was reading the chapter at normal size... Maybe it's just me... maybe I've some lynx eyes LOL

 

btw, yeah... it's a drop...


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:51 AM

 
honeslty; I've noticed it even I was reading the chapter at normal size... Maybe it's just me... maybe I've some lynx eyes LOL
 
btw, yeah... it's a drop...


Which scans did you read btw?
 
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