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[六道仙人]

Kakashi must to come back on the battlefield so he can tell his story to Naruto through kyuubi's chakra due to Ino's jutsu... Do you remember when at the start of the battle, Naruto said to Kakashi that he will tell him his story about him, Obito and Rin? Well, I guess that moment is coming soon.

[Hanabi]

My eyes rolled all the way to the back reading other people say "what happen to sakura healing abilities" / "It's clear theres a big difference between Tsunade and sakura".

 

Non-sakura fans never cease to amaze me.

[Nate River]

Hinata never cease to amaze me negatively :/ In each drammatic situation, the only thing that she does is thinking about Naruto's kun hand and wanting to be at his side... She's childish to me... Also after again this clue, I cannot take seriously the NH anymore. It's just... ass-puled.

 

It was a fine chapter. It was good to see Sakura who was givin all herself to heal Shikamaru and her worrying for Naruto. It was like chapter 628.

 

Kishimoto has never struck me as someone who secretly is pissing on his characters in scene's like that, especially in the Rookie nine and at a moment like this. So, I can't agree with the interpration, or at least to the extent that this is a message he is trying to send.

 

I think his refusal to let her be anything other than a satelite character does such a disservice for her and leads to these kind of interprations of her, but as I said, to believe that this is goal is to believe he is secretly intending to trash her and I don't believe that. I think the point of that was to remind the audience he knows what image he just conjured up and that he knows everyone was thinking the same thing on that front.  

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ah man, Shikamaru is confirmed to be his left (or right, not sure how that all works lol) hand man once Naruto becomes Hokage. The whole Sakura wanted Naruto to focus was the exact reaction I had when I saw Naruto doing the help as well. I can see that she really wants him to stop taking the burden and don't want him to waste, especially with the regrets. It's pretty much gotten her. After Shikamaru's words, I was so happy that Kishi gave him this attention. One of the few side characters that get more work than others. Oh, and that Sakura's smile. I don't know man, but that NS moment is approaching and it's going to be grand. Think about the buildup. The focus is still on Naruto (Yes!), and once again, he's being portrayed the one to save the world. No doubt something 450 in Ultra HD Turbo Remix is going to happen. I can't wait. If happens, no doubt it's time to give in.

 

This chapter got me pumped and that's what this chapter did. It gave Shikamaru a reason to live and it was finally connected to his words with his dad, so pretty much he will be Hokage's adviser. Many called it, but this is good to know that it's confirmed. I like how Team 8 wanted to be his adviser and how Shino is like, "Going to need 3." This also further established Hinata to be in the same level, so once again, being in the same level since Naruto will go up. So yeah, friendly. That said Sakura didn't think of adviser or anything, but it would seem Kishi is really holding her to be Naruto's wife. It would be so funny how her thoughts of love and such traveled through everyone's mind and she will be, "OH kitten!" That would be entertaining. But don't worry, her moment with him after the war will trigger that.

 

So now, the setup has begun and the action is no doubt about to begin. I can see Obito will be busy with two things and I can see him keep shifting focus. After all, he does control the tree. I still like how Obito still focuses on Naruto, which is still building up that Obito is going to be really pissed because his will of fire is just too impossible to break. So that makes me happy. Again, this arc should not be shared, this is all about him. You can get the glory, but don't ruin someone's parade. Ah yes, Kakashi is almost here. Oh man, he's going to be so surprised to see Minato. That said Kakashi can change the tide of war if transmit Obito's plans and feelings. There are many ways to go and yes, TnJ can finally start. So brace yourself for that parallel.

 

Overall, thanks to this chapter, I am really hyped for this final run before the plan happens because of everyone is finally back, Sakura is somewhat getting more build for Naruto, Shikamaru's motivation to live for Naruto, Naruto still being centered, Tsunade and Sakura interact, which was sweet by the way, Kakashi getting ready, and well, the final stretch begins. So yeah, I can't wait.

[Nefertieh]

 
Hinata herself also made reference about how she wants to stay at his side too, which is to say that Hinata's sentiments are the same as Shikamaru and not some subtle romantic aspiration as some people have made themselves believe.

I understand your point, but aren't you forgetting that Hinata wanted to hold Naruto's hand? I'm sure in her mind, sharing chakra was not the type of hand-holding she was after.

We're not doing our fandom a service by undermining Hinata's feelings towards Naruto.

I personally facepalmed when I saw her reaction towards Shikamaru was all about herself and Naruto. I don't think she's the complex character that people tend to credit her for.

[Nate River]

My eyes rolled all the way to the back reading other people say "what happen to sakura healing abilities" / "It's clear theres a big difference between Tsunade and sakura".

 

Non-sakura fans never cease to amaze me.

 

You'll have to explain to me why an expression of that signifies that they are not a Sakura-fan? I didn't realize that there were certain interprations and tenants I must adhere to in order to be one of those.

[Nefertieh]

 
You'll have to explain to me why an expression of that signifies that they are not a Sakura-fan? I didn't realize that there were certain interprations and tenants I must adhere to in order to be one of those.

I agree, I think maybe some of those people were pointing out that there was no need to put emphasis on Naruto helping to heal Shikamaru, when we already have Sakura.

Then and again, Sakura does get hate every chapter.

 
Kishimoto has never struck me as someone who secretly is pissing on his characters in scene's like that, especially in the Rookie nine and at a moment like this. So, I can't agree with the interpration, or at least to the extent that this is a message he is trying to send.
 
I think his refusal to let her be anything other than a satelite character does such a disservice for her and leads to these kind of interprations of her, but as I said, to believe that this is goal is to believe he is secretly intending to trash her and I don't believe that. I think the point of that was to remind the audience he knows what image he just conjured up and that he knows everyone was thinking the same thing on that front.  

I think maybe he feels obliged to write her how her fans want to see her - smitten with Naruto.

Edited by Nefertieh, 02 October 2013 - 02:54 PM.

[Psychox]

My eyes rolled all the way to the back reading other people say "what happen to sakura healing abilities" / "It's clear theres a big difference between Tsunade and sakura".

 

Non-sakura fans never cease to amaze me.

 

How quick we judge , eh? It was Naruto and Sakura's shared efforts (though he did it more indirectly) that he didn't perish right there on the spot ,Tsunade just gave the finishing touch. I just dislike it when Sakura doesn't receive the praise the actually needs .... Ugh..

[TouKen4Life3g]

How can this chapter kill nh? I don't see anything? Can someone explain it, please.

Not killed. Just kicking a dead horse.

[rocci]

I still don't understand why some people on this forum think that nh is dead in this chapter. I mean Hinata is all about love right?

[Nefertieh]

I still don't understand why some people on this forum think that nh is dead in this chapter. I mean Hinata is all about love right?

I don't think NH is dead, but maybe some people think it's just going nowhere?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Hmm...that's fine, but you are not gonna change my mind. Like I said, these little moments are more than just filler and more than just eye candy. If you have ever watched a harem or read a romance novel, it;s these little moments just like this that make up the majority of the progress. I am watching Rosario-Vampire as of late and watching all the moments, it is just so painfully obvious that I could cut it with a knife. There are hundreds of these moments like this that you know they feel so much for each other and yet still only see each other as a friend up until the very end when they finally admit how they feel.

 

 

The development is on Shikamaru's side, Sakura was glad that Shikamaru was alive, she showed again that she worries about Naruto and understands him.

Despite yet she didnt said she wanted to be at Naruto's side which is no big deal since i think Kishi left that out for own reasons.

BUt the chapter at all as no progress in terms of development on NS romantically wise, it's not filler but it's not a NS moment.

 

 

 

Same thing here, but unlike a harem which fires a whole bunch of these kind of scenes in your face to the point of pain, this manga is more sparing and uses those moments in times when it makes a huge impact. You always comment on how 540 makes such a huge impact, but that scene gives such a huge red herring that is painfully obvious to the point that I question it. Again, like I said, this is not a harem, but rather something different. Why do you think 540 makes such an impact, but this kind of chapter get pushed under the rug? I see it as being one of the most important scenes in any love relationship. Sure, it is not corny lovey dovey, but then again it is not supposed to be. Not a harem which rapid fires those things 10 times per episode.

 

This chapter in any form is comparable to 540, 540 was straightforward question about who Sakura loves, in other words it's a pairing"moment" where Sakura answer or shows who she loves, "It was Sasuke involved on dark flames" which shows that she's not happy with her love for Sasuke and ends with the "great guy" thing being an huge impact on her thoughts.

Naruto's is there showing how a great guy he's since "path to radiance" chapter when she vowed they would fight together.

This chapter doesnt add anything new to the whole NS, in other words i refuse to pay for this and chew this bone.

 

 

 

 

 

So, this scene is majorly important. At least in my opinion it is. If you want to remain humble about it that's fine, but again I see this as a huge progress. A huge step forward to proving NS's valid canonical ending. It's too good not to be. It's too perfect to have her think this, even when Sasuke is standing there. The man that people said she truly loves, Sasuke, is standing right there and she doesn't even think about him. It's even worse when this whole chapter gets brushed off, but one panel where she says "Sasuke-kun" and looks happy and all of a sudden it just wipes out all progress up to this point. That's just crazy.

 

It's too good to just be brushed under the table and say "This is not a moment."

Kushina's parallel, 631, Sakura's speech.

Were huge steps towards it's canonization, but the moment doesnt push forward the NS relationship.

It's the same thing.

 

 

Sasuke standing right there, yeah he is standing right there but he's talking to Sakura?, he's showing his feelings to her?, does he is trying to save the alliance shinobis?( he did nothing when the tree tried to suck their chakras while he can chop the branchs with the susanoo'o), dos he's interacting with her, neither Ino is doing that or worrying about Sasuke, does Sasuke is trying to rally the alliance?

The answer is no, Sasuke is not interacting with anyone else other than Naruto which makes understandable why Sakura is worrying about Naruto when he's interacting with her.

 

Being honest for me, it's the same thing as looking at Hinata's panel and claiming NH will be end game.
It's not filler but the focus wanst on Sakura, it was on Shikamaru who got touched by Naruto's feelings and recovered.

 

 

 

 

I'll give one more evidence to back up my stance. This whole manga we have gone through the idea that Naruto is in love with Sakura, Hinata is in love with Naruto, and Sasuke is in love with....himself. The idea was was that Sasuke was going to turn and love Sakura and "notice her." Yet here we are, chapter 649, and we have Sakura thinking about Naruto. We have Sakura smiling when thinking of him. We have Sakura saying thank you to Naruto. She has done this several times through out this manga despite many claiming she would not. That she would just go back to Sasuke and forget everything else, but she hasn't. She has changed. She is no longer that little obsessive girl. She is a grown girl who in her heart knows that Naruto is amazing. Who knows that she can rely on him. She isn't screaming for Sasuke to come save her. She is admiring the man who is one day going to become one of the greatest ninja who ever lived and she was there since the beginning when he wanted to dream. She wanted to protect that dream. Protect that man who she knows loves her with all his heart.

 

That's what makes this chapter so amazing in my eyes.

 

Despite 540, despite all the criticism and the harsh fandoms saying what they want to say; she has defied all of it. She done exactly what they said she would not do and she continues to do it. Even now.

 

That's why this chapter is so special in my eyes.

 

She was glad that Shikamaru was saved, and she was smiling ofc but she gave so many smiles to Naruto and she was even smiling when she saw both of them doing a combo and even she was smilling when team 7 get reunited on that short fighting moment.

It doesnt make it special or "only Naruto make her smile that way" the only thing i get is that Naruto is the one who makes her happy most of the times, when on part 1 we got moments like this too from Sasuke but because he was her love interest and not because he did something to her.

 

Ofc she's not the same obssessive girl due to the insane amount of reality checks she received from strangers and from people like Yamato and Sai.
Sasuke tried to kill her, Sasuke comes back doesnt giving two kittens about them and has some dark plan upon his sleeve, Sasuke also didnt do anything to Sakura other than help Naruto save her on that and the only dialogue they had was Sasuke's "Sakura" and "why are you here" on 632 , how can she worries about him or show some infatuated moments towards Sasuke when she knows he doesnt care about her, doesnt talk with her and did nothing to her.
I cant expect her fangirling because so far he tried to kill Sakura two times not Ino and Karin doesn count because Kishi destroyed her character, and you know what would happen to Sakura's character if she fangirled on Sasuke, he would literally destroy Sakura's character by doing this, on a arc where he's developing his characters.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 October 2013 - 03:07 PM.

[Slextrem]

Oh gosh...

 

Naruto's will to save his friends...

Sakura worrying about Naruto... 

Shikamaru's inner monologue...

Tobirama's reaction to Shikamaru...

Tsunade patting Sakura's head all cute-like...

Kakashi is alive...

 

I'm a ball of emotion right now

Edited by Slextrem, 02 October 2013 - 02:57 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hinata never cease to amaze me negatively :/ In each drammatic situation, the only thing that she does is thinking about Naruto's kun hand and wanting to be at his side... She's childish to me... Also after again this clue, I cannot take seriously the NH anymore. It's just... ass-puled.

 

It was a fine chapter. It was good to see Sakura who was givin all herself to heal Shikamaru and her worrying for Naruto. It was like chapter 628.

To be oddly fair, side characters are not meant to have more complexity or being that complex. That said it seems Shikamaru was chosen by Kishi because Shikamaru is the one who got so much buildup to be near close to main character and he has more dimensional to him. So I'm glad (in a weird way) that Shikamaru was hurt to get this amount of treatment. There are times that shows priority and this chapter shows it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

How quick we judge , eh? It was Naruto and Sakura's shared efforts (though he did it more indirectly) that he didn't perish right there on the spot ,Tsunade just gave the finishing touch. I just dislike it when Sakura doesn't receive the praise the actually needs .... Ugh..

Naruto and Sakura saved Shikamaru as Tsunade gave him 100% recovered. It's like first fighting the heart attack, and if you can save him/her from that, then that person is going to be ok, just need to recover. The recover comes from Tsunade while Naruto and Sakura did the saving. Awesome. But you know, those guys won't let you know..............idiots..

 

P.S. So glad I got a spot in podcast.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 02 October 2013 - 03:02 PM.

[Nate River]

I don't think NH is dead, but maybe some people think it's just going nowhere?

 

I had forgotten the hand holding. However, one thing I think Kishimoto is very good at is crafting scenes that leave him multiple avenues to go with. Hinata's expression of that goal earlier certainly seemed romantic both as to hand holding and standing by his side. Now that others are wanting to stand by his side, to me, it makes her expression less unique and her achieving that significantly less proof of some kind of romantic accomplish (as to the pairing as a whole, rather that just Hinata's personal view) that it would have been.

 

I'd agree that doesn't kill it. If nothing else just because others want it, doesn't mean she meant it the same way they do (this is still true even if you remove the hand holding). In this chapter at least, Kishimoto doesn't offer anything that indicates whether that is the case or not. Then again, my standard for calling it dead is very high. Basically the end of the manga or confirmation of something else that elminates it would be what it takes for me.

 

The development is on Shikamaru's side, Sakura was glad that Shikamaru was alive, she showed again that she worries about Naruto and understands him.

Despite yet she didnt said she wanted to be at Naruto's side which is no big deal since i think Kishi left that out for own reasons.

BUt the chapter at all as no progress in terms of development on NS romantically wise, it's not filler but it's not a NS moment.

 

I agree. Not every NS moment is a NS pairing moment. I'd be willing to call this positive for them, but I don't see it as something indicating a pairing is more likely. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I still don't understand why some people on this forum think that nh is dead in this chapter. I mean Hinata is all about love right?

Like I said, it's kicking the dead horse at this point. It's been established in 633 that she wanted to be his side as mutual as Shikamaru is. Does she still love him? Sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean she wants him to be his man. She just wants to be at the same level. Let love build itself, though of course, this manga won't do that NOW, it's already taken. Who? NS.

[T XD]

I still don't understand why some people on this forum think that nh is dead in this chapter. I mean Hinata is all about love right?

NH is dead, though for me it has never existed cause there's no potential. What else there's still aside that 631 alone made it dead ? Hinata will always stay the way she is which is a side character rotating around Naruto.

 

This chapter with Hinata saying that she wants to be beside Naruto too is that it's not a romantic meaning, but just being supportive like everybody else. I think you got the idea now.

[六道仙人]

True, not only Naruto saved Shikamaru, also Sakura did it due to her hearling jutsu. That's why Ino thanked both of them, for what they did to Shikamaru. Then Tsunade covered Shikamaru at 100%...  I wonder if Sakura is tired...

[Hanabi]

 

You'll have to explain to me why an expression of that signifies that they are not a Sakura-fan? I didn't realize that there were certain interprations and tenants I must adhere to in order to be one of those.

it does gives off the feeling that they're trying to undermine her abilities. it's not like sakura sat there down doing nothing, both her and naruto played a big part in shikamaru's recovery.

Edited by Hanabi, 02 October 2013 - 03:09 PM.