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[Dragunov]

Good chapter. I wonder what happens to Obito.

[Atheck]

The Moon's Eye Plan appears to be a concept that only Tobi really seemed to be committed to. For Madara he hasn't offered any personal incentives or reasons to create an illusionary world apart from the rehashed statement of wanting to bring about everlasting peace. Despite what Nagato and Tobi may have argued about their primary goal being to create stability in the world they always held some underlying desire which acted as the true impetus for their tenacity. Tobi believed that a world without Rin's existence was inconceivable and Nagato was compelled by the atrocities of war that he saw as a child to instill into the world the suffering he experienced. What is it that Madara craves which only the Mugen Tsukuyomi could grant him? Nothing from what he has explained concerning the genjutsu. It just seems to be a byproduct of him becoming the Jubi's jinchuuriki.

 

Currently, the only goals Madara seems to have are his conflict with Hashirama, resurrection, and the sealing of the Jubi so he can become its jinchuuriki. It's logical to assume that he may be setting himself up to become the next Rikudo Sennin. That would coincide with the story of the Sage's children battling for the title of successor. Perhaps Madara is wanting to ensure that it was ultimately the Older Son's ideals that would prove triumphant in the end.

 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The Moon's Eye Plan appears to be a concept that only Tobi really seemed to be committed to. For Madara he hasn't offered any personal incentives or reasons to create an illusionary world apart from the rehashed statement of wanting to bring about everlasting peace. Despite what Nagato and Tobi may have argued about their primary goal being to create stability in the world they always held some underlying desire which acted as the true impetus for their tenacity. Tobi believed that a world without Rin's existence was inconceivable and Nagato was compelled by the atrocities of war that he saw as a child to instill into the world the suffering he experienced. What is it that Madara craves which only the Mugen Tsukuyomi could grant him? Nothing from what he has explained concerning the genjutsu. It just seems to be a byproduct of him becoming the Jubi's jinchuuriki.

 

Currently, the only goals Madara seems to have are his conflict with Hashirama, resurrection, and the sealing of the Jubi so he can become its jinchuuriki. It's logical to assume that he may be setting himself up to bectome the next Rikudo Sennin. That would coincide with the story of the Sage's children battling for the title of successor. Perhaps Madara is wanting to ensure that it was ultimately the Older Son's ideals that would prove triumphant in the end.

 

I think the same, at least the last chapter settled that Naruto will be hokage and wont die.

[Hiraishin]

The Moon's Eye Plan appears to be a concept that only Tobi really seemed to be committed to. For Madara he hasn't offered any personal incentives or reasons to create an illusionary world apart from the rehashed statement of wanting to bring about everlasting peace. Despite what Nagato and Tobi may have argued about their primary goal being to create stability in the world they always held some underlying desire which acted as the true impetus for their tenacity.

This. I've always thought this. Obito was really committed and motivated by this idea, while Madara doesn't really seem to be. It just seems like he wants control, or something.

He's still butthurt because he wasn't chosen as Hokage tbh.

[Chatte]

With Madara is simple..He couldn't stand to be defeated so he wants power. He couldn't stand to be the loser so he wants to create a world where he's the almighty power rulling over everyone

[Tsubaki]

That was a painful chapter! I can't help but feel sorry for Obito 

 

And here my wishful thinking that sakura will be the one who will stop Obito in the next chapter and that way reminding him of Rin.

 

 

What if Rin appeared in front of Obito and then the image faded to be in reality Sakura who came to stop him to activate the Rinne tensei?? / I girl can dream, right?! 

[Chatte]

That was a painful chapter! I can't help but feel sorry for Obito 

 

And here my wishful thinking that sakura will be the one who will stop Obito in the next chapter and that way reminding him of Rin.

 

 

What if Rin appeared in front of Obito and then the image faded to be in reality Sakura who came to stop him to activate the Rinne tensei?? / I girl can dream, right?! 

That would be to badass...but too good to be true. I am still waiting for some Obito/Sakura interaction so this way she reminds him of Rin. Some sort of Minato 2.0 

[Shadow Wolf]

So... Good chapter overall for me, but I feel like this has many possibilities now:

 

-Minato/Obito conversation...

-Obito turning face before dying (That Rin panel is not a waste, so I have to wonder if he willl do something good before dying).

-Rinne Tensei, huh? I wonder who's going to be revived?

 

And something to think about...  if it were to happen that there is part of Black Zetsu in Obito's body... well, Sakura did study the Black Zetsu, right?

[Chatte]

So... Good chapter overall for me, but I feel like this has many possibilities now:

 

-Minato/Obito conversation...

-Obito turning face before dying (That Rin panel is not a waste, so I have to wonder if he willl do something good before dying).

-Rinne Tensei, huh? I wonder who's going to be revived?

 

And something to think about...  if it were to happen that there is part of Black Zetsu in Obito's body... well, Sakura did study the Black Zetsu, right?

She studied the White one...

[六道仙人]

Why Sakura should save Obito? O_o

[narusakuno1]

Why Sakura should save Obito? O_o

I guess so that Obito thinks Sakura reminds him of Rin...

[Inferno180]

Okay that was a pretty good chapter, finally got to see Kakashi and Obito duke it out. Kinda funny they spent this whole time playing mind games in genjutsu.

 

Thia was a big chapter for Kakashi, in order for him to protect the Obito he knew, he had to kill the current one and protect his students and will as well. He got the inspiration from Naruto and went forward with it.

 

Madara guess he got impatient and wanted to fight the clones. Now he is ready to be revived entirely, Obito did have his own six paths of pain, now as the outer path he can use Rinne tensei but is at the will of Madara for it to be used. Now Im happy Kakashi is alive, but how will be get back? Will he somehow figure out how to escape given his sharigan is part of the same area or if Obito dies does it just cancel out? Anyhow Madara is going to try and revive himself entirely.

 

This brings me to one of 2 events that will come:

1. Madara succeeds in reviving, this brings the crisis closer to fruition and may try to take control of the jubbi but something will go wrong (aka it may be too powerful for him to control)

2. Obito resists Madara's control and uses the revival on another. Some would speculate Neji, others speculate he would kill himself before Madara succeeds and prevent any of it. Guess all the Sakura temp deaths can be put to rest unless something sudden happens.

[Nefertieh]

That was a painful chapter! I can't help but feel sorry for Obito 

 

And here my wishful thinking that sakura will be the one who will stop Obito in the next chapter and that way reminding him of Rin.

 

 

What if Rin appeared in front of Obito and then the image faded to be in reality Sakura who came to stop him to activate the Rinne tensei?? / I girl can dream, right?! 

 

If Kishimoto isn't going to resurrect Rin, then I guess this will probably be the next best thing. I can't really see a satisfying closure for his character without Rin.

 

The resemblence between Rin and Sakura is so uncanny, I don't even know why there is a discussion about it. They even have similar last names ("spring field"/ "field.")

[Shadow Wolf]

She studied the White one...

 

 

Ugh.... my brain got toasted there XD.

 

Anyway, the posts above this one do make a good point too. A parallel would not be bad at all.

[Inferno180]

Well the Sakura-Rin parallel is done for obvious reasons given the team dynamic, mentality, and a few other small things like both being medical ninja. The parallel is there but there may not be a direct reason to actually show a relation between them. I mean there may not be a purpose of drawing a panel of contrast between them like the many times Sakura like her teammates was compared to her mentor or how Minato drew the comparison to Kushina.

 

If Neji is the one who is revived, some people thought it would boost NH again even though this would not effect more pressing manners like Sasuke's motives and how Sakura feels about it.

 

The parallel of Naruto to Obito and Sakura to Rin, those are real but we may not be shown anything as much between them, more likely only on a short flashback of Obito and Rin which could show something similar like NS but nothing directly showing Sakura, I mean Obito does not know Sakura and was not present for all this time Sasuke came back so there may not be something directly seen. But if Obito resists or targets another with the Rinne tensei, it would hamper Madara's plan. Still though as I said before, reviving Neji would already undue the purpose of 615 and to me, it would not help NH as some think.

[Chatte]

 

 

Ugh.... my brain got toasted there XD.

 

Anyway, the posts above this one do make a good point too. A parallel would not be bad at all.

In the end she might help, tho'... We don't know the differences between the black and the white one besides the will thing.

[Shadow Wolf]

In the end she might help, tho'... We don't know the differences between the black and the white one besides the will thing.

 

Indeed. And when you think about it, we haven't seen the intel she gained, so this could be a potential point of interest in the near future.

[lupina]

I think Obito will break Madaras will and revive Rin instead. 

Obito can't just be killed like that ... 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This. I've always thought this. Obito was really committed and motivated by this idea, while Madara doesn't really seem to be. It just seems like he wants control, or something.

He's still butthurt because he wasn't chosen as Hokage tbh.

I felt that he was butthurt because Hashirama got everything, became hokage his brother alive and the acknowledgement he got.

I feel that it's both butthurt because of Hashirama and the death of his brother.

[Atheck]

With Madara is simple..He couldn't stand to be defeated so he wants power. He couldn't stand to be the loser so he wants to create a world where he's the almighty power rulling over everyone

 

The fact that he was originally Hashirama's good friend who helped in the foundation of Konoha and was later disfranchised by the Konoha populace connotates to there being a more complex reason for his motives. Perhaps it was that untrustworthy debarment courtesy of Tobirama and his alienation from the Uchiha Clan that caused Madara to have a moral epiphany which motivated him to disregard any whim of achieving peace that he may have once held. He is supposed to represent an historical parallel to Sasuke who up until recently was only concerned about the annihilation of Konoha.

 

A notable divergence from these similarities is that unlike Madara who only had Hashirama to try and convince him to return to the ideals they once shared Sasuke has the support of numerous different people, including his brother who influenced him to reflect upon the meaning of his life and ultimately inherit the will of his brother although it's that devotion to his clan which is serving as a detriment to Sasuke coming to understand what Itachi truly meant.

 

Getting back to Madara though, I doubt Kishi will allow him to remain engrossed in his bellicose outlook of the world. There's an ulterior reason for the Kages, specifically Hashirama, being brought back to partake in this conflict. My assumption is that Kishi wants to tie up loose ends and have Madara find some inner peace in his life as well. Whether that's through Hashirama satiating his lust for battle in an eternal conflict or Madara finally coming to see the general population as his family is unknown.

 

Oh, and the possibility of Rinne Tensei being implemented to revive everyone killed in this war is still possible even if Tobi is killed. Should Madara come around to Hashirama's ideals then we could very well see him use the resurrection jutsu to bring back everyone. That and/or he uses Banbutsu Sozo to redivide the Jubi after it proves itself to be too powerful to control.

Edited by Atheck, 26 June 2013 - 11:43 AM.