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[sushi.]

Kishi had the perfect opportunity to show the lion fists in 633, but skipped it.

[Hyuga Sage]

And who exactly is she going to use it on? Obito? The guy that ripped apart Hashirama. Or Madara?

 

I think amateur hour is over. This is a battle that is way over her head.

Probably another Juubi clone obviously, there's no way she'd touch Juubito, the guy is sage incarnate  , and Madara is edo, so Gentle fist won't even WORK on him to begin with.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I really think the Lion Fist are power-ups to your palms.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Probably another Juubi clone obviously, there's no way she'd touch Juubito, the guy is sage incarnate  , and Madara is edo, so Gentle fist won't even WORK on him to begin with.

What Juubi clone? They are all gone.

[Hyuga Sage]

What Juubi clone? They are all gone.

 

Actually some were still around getting trampled in Hashi and Mada's fight.

 

I really think the Lion Fist are power-ups to your palms.

I think they're basically larger Gentle fists, so to say. Instead of attacking one point at a time, it attacks multiple points. Like, the Lion mouth bites down, and any chakra point in it's mouth closes. That's most likely it, since there's nothing else I could really think of.

[T XD]

Except we don't even know what Lion fists does, it's never made contact. But whatever, the point was she'll get at least one more chance to shine.

Like 615, I don't think so. It's more she'll appear from time to time like she's now, and like the other side characters.

 

But Hinata hasn't used the Lion fists at ALL yet. It's never hit and it's function is unknown. 

She just did in the panel that you showed me. If we don't know its function, it doesn't mean that we got to see that function from Hinata. Her lion fists won't take the place of other important things and the things that has yet to be written in the plot. It's simple. Do the math XD

 

I think when the alliance will engage again, we'll see her doing some attacks like the others as in appearing from time to time. Before, it was her shining moment, and now with the side characters are done with their shining moments, she's back to when she always appear and have some screen like the others.

 

Probably another Juubi clone obviously, there's no way she'd touch Juubito, the guy is sage incarnate  , and Madara is edo, so Gentle fist won't even WORK on him to begin with.

Do you really think Juubi clones will have screen time with the side characters... again ? The Juubi clones are not shown anymore either.

Edited by T XD, 05 August 2013 - 05:06 PM.

[Hyuga Sage]

Like 615, I don't think so. It's more she'll appear from time to time like she's now, and like the other side characters.

 

She just did in the panel that you showed me. If we don't know its function, it doesn't mean that we got to see that function from Hinata. Her lion fists won't take the place of other important things and the things that has yet to be written in the plot. It's simple. Do the math XD

 

Why are you so against the idea of Hinata using her Lion fists-64 palms combo? It's not like I'm saying anything bout NH am I? It's simple; A jutsu is shown twice yet not properly used in battle, therefore, we're bound to see it hit sooner or later. SHe'll use it on a juubi clone, her father [and maybe Naruto] will acknowledge her strength and bravery, and her character will be done and ready to become Hyuga clan leader. It's Kinda like how Kirin was alluded to when team 7 met Sasuke in Oro's hideout, or how Itachi was shown using amaterasu in his escape from Jiraiya.

 

Sakura & Ino did some pretty impressive things, so why not Hinata?

[StrikerTheNoble]

 

Why are you so against the idea of Hinata using her Lion fists-64 palms combo? It's not like I'm saying anything bout NH am I? It's simple; A jutsu is shown twice yet not properly used in battle, therefore, we're bound to see it hit sooner or later. SHe'll use it on a juubi clone, her father [and maybe Naruto] will acknowledge her strength and bravery, and her character will be done and ready to become Hyuga clan leader. It's Kinda like how Kirin was alluded to when team 7 met Sasuke in Oro's hideout, or how Itachi was shown using amaterasu in his escape from Jiraiya.

 

Sakura & Ino did some pretty impressive things, so why not Hinata?

Because Sakura and Ino are awesome (jk)

 

But seriously there are no more juubi clones.

[Canadian_DJ]

Come on now,  The least you could do is acknowledge that, even with her being a side character, she's still relevant...she's gotten more relevant anyways. Plus, I heard there's gonni be Hyuga Clan development in 2013, so whether it's NH related or not, I doubt Hinata's story is done, though I think the development will be history & power related. Your argument that Hinata is  a side character, so she won't get any closure, is ... well.... it's just plain ....stupid. Since even someone like Konan or Asuma even got closures.
 
Comparing Lee & Hinata to NS is kinda dumb, no offense meant, since Lee's crush/love for Sakura was dropped in part 2, yet Hinata's is still around, even to this day.
 
Hold up!? You say "her character is about getting stronger" And then you say "though we've never seen this" Yet you still believe 633 was her conclusion    In all honestly, I doubt She's gonna disappear, since we still need to see her 64 Palms + Lion fists combo she mentioned in 633 [The same chapter where her character supposedly "ended" according to you, even though she still has loose ends to tie up]

Yes, ofcoarse she has had roles in the manga, but nothing compared to team 10 and team gai. But never mind that.

Hinata has never intended to become the head of the clan and kishimoto has never made hinata want to become the head. That is hanabis role and hiashi has been training her for all these years and shes stronger thsn hinata, if neji was still alive id say hes gonna become the head of the clan. Heres the thing, whst your saying is only speculation and you have nothing to back it up. Kishi has only msde hinatas charavter revolve around naruto and try to improve, even though shes not really a strong character, but thats just her. Hinata has already been dealt with and her character has come to a full circle. Kishimoto did say that the hyuga would be getting closure in the war, but he didnt say that in 2013. He just said the hyuga will get closure and thats what he did. Hinatas combo was never to be ventured. Whatd there to be ventured in her 64 palms that neji was able to use back in part 1? She already used it and remembered nejis words and got confidence from naruto. She then said that, "what I wanted, was to be by narutos side!" "Naruto kums always improving and I will move forward even if its one step" its not tbe exacr context but its the same meaning. Why hasnt hinatas character come to a full circle? Where a the loose ends? Keep in mind that hinata is a side characte, not like shikamaru and neji and lee, so kishimoto finished her character. There really hasnt been much for hinata compared to thr other teams, but what are you expecting? I mean shes not the heroine.

And again, kishimoto hasnt intended to make hinata the hesd of the clan, her only goal was to try to improve like naruto, never once was it said that she wanted to become the head. This is just a concept thr western fsns have made up. Hinatas charscter is done.

Again, its only speculation on your part that you think lee doesnt love sakura anymore, when in fact sakira confessed her love to naruto he was disappointed. In the war lee told sakira that he'd protect her with his life and sakira told him to tske care of himself as well, then he looked shocked and was blushing with a sweat drop.

Hinatas charscter has been done. Whsts there to see from the 64 palns? Nothing whats there to see from her twin lion fists? Nothung since kishimoto didnt bother to put in another panel with hinata attacking a jubi clone. The fact that hinatas charscter was never important to the story means that kishimoto doesnt need to do anything with her. Thatd the truth. And mark my words, kishi is done with her character, she wont be getting anything else, and if she does it will be in thr background and momentsrily. Thr important side characters are team 10 and team gai. Kiba, shino and hinata arent as importsnt as the others but they've had a bit of story time.

And the reason why I brought up lee is because lee is more popular thsn hinata, and as you can see on my sig I listed the top 10 characters in anruto accordimg to the dstsbook 3 adding up with the 7 polls, plus lee has had an importsnt impact on the story as well, snd he loves sakura romantically, does that mean he has to end up with sakura? No, hes a strong charscter with good amount of screen time and action, unlike hinata and yet the western fans try to dig stuff up for hinata with no proof. Its just the truth. I dont have anything against hinata I just dont care, simce kishinhas never put any emphasis on her, thr japanese fans dont even csre, then why should I?

Sorry for thr typos im on my cellphone.

[redragon88]

@Hyuga Sage

 

About that Hyuuga clan having some development this year, that was just a rumor started by fans. It was already disproved a while back. It's not uncommon for people to create fake information in order to confuse people just for the fun of it.

 

I also think it was pretty obvious that Hinata would become the head of the Hyuuga clan in the future. The whole point of her character was to evolve into a strong enough woman able to lead them thanks to the influence Naruto had on her.

 

I'm also sure she'll continue to appear in future chapter, but just in the same extent that the other secondary characters would at this point. Just for the sake of assisting in the battle with their powers. Hinata's special role was concluded mostly in 615 and a little extra in 633 with finally catching up to Neji's 64 palms and resolving herself to move forward. Nothing particular is necessary for her anymore apart for maybe an epilogue scene of an older Hinata acting as the Hyuuga leader.

[T XD]

 

Why are you so against the idea of Hinata using her Lion fists-64 palms combo? It's not like I'm saying anything bout NH am I? It's simple; A jutsu is shown twice yet not properly used in battle, therefore, we're bound to see it hit sooner or later. SHe'll use it on a juubi clone, her father [and maybe Naruto] will acknowledge her strength and bravery, and her character will be done and ready to become Hyuga clan leader. It's Kinda like how Kirin was alluded to when team 7 met Sasuke in Oro's hideout, or how Itachi was shown using amaterasu in his escape from Jiraiya.

 

Sakura & Ino did some pretty impressive things, so why not Hinata?

I'm not against her doing that . I'm saying how it resides on the manga and to the plot regarding her.

 

What I'm saying is, where do all that you said in this post about her getting the acknowledgement and doing this attack can occur ?

Naruto acknowledged her strong and equal to him already. Hinata already played a big role and distinct from the other side characters. Now, where and how should this attack take place following other things too ?

 

Hinata had her credit already, and it was good enough.

Edited by T XD, 05 August 2013 - 05:45 PM.

[Canadian_DJ]

@Hyuga Sage
 
About that Hyuuga clan having some development this year, that was just a rumor started by fans. It was already disproved a while back. It's not uncommon for people to create fake information in order to confuse people just for the fun of it.
 
I also think it was pretty obvious that Hinata would become the head of the Hyuuga clan in the future. The whole point of her character was to evolve into a strong enough woman able to lead them thanks to the influence Naruto had on her.
 
I'm also sure she'll continue to appear in future chapter, but just in the same extent that the other secondary characters would at this point. Just for the sake of assisting in the battle with their powers. Hinata's special role was concluded mostly in 615 and a little extra in 633 with finally catching up to Neji's 64 palms and resolving herself to move forward. Nothing particular is necessary for her anymore apart for maybe an epilogue scene of an older Hinata acting as the Hyuuga leader.

Hinata isnt gonna become the head of the clan. Kishimoto has never msde hinata once think about that in the manga. She just managed to master 64 palms which neji was able to use in part 1. Hinata simply isnt made for that role. Whats the point in kishimoto making hanabi train under hiashi for all those years? Honestly. Hinatss character is done with. And im betring she wknt even be in the epilogue. Even if sbe does she'll probably be in the background. Tell me, whats there for her charscter? Nothing. Its done. Thats the truth.

[redragon88]

Hinata isnt gonna become the head of the clan. Kishimoto has never msde hinata once think about that in the manga. She just managed to master 64 palms which neji was able to use in part 1. Hinata simply isnt made for that role. Whats the point in kishimoto making hanabi train under hiashi for all those years? Honestly. Hinatss character is done with. And im betring she wknt even be in the epilogue. Even if sbe does she'll probably be in the background. Tell me, whats there for her charscter? Nothing. Its done. Thats the truth.

 

Why would she need to think about it? As the oldest daughter of the leader it's her birthright.

 

Hiashi's previous favoritism of Hanabi was to further establish Hinata's status as the underdog of her family, which is how she's able to relate to Naruto and thus get inspired by him. As the story progressed Hiashi was able to see Hinata with better eyes and has noticed her growing confidence. That all serves to show Hiashi finally acknowledging Hinata enough to entrust the future of the clan to her.

[Sojobo]

Like 615, I don't think so. It's more she'll appear from time to time like she's now, and like the other side characters.

I agree, she didn't let the chance to other characters to shine (Shikamaru, Sakura, Lee).

I think she won't do anything more, she already had a lot screentimes, let her rest now, she proved already she's a proud ninja, a strong one.

 

Now I want Shikamaru and Sakura times. I included Lee cause he's really powerful with his gates, and can probably damage, even a little, Juubito.

But Sakura and Shikamaru have more chances to shine. Sakura probably for team 7 plot, and Tsunade's return (they would make a perfect duo) and Shikamaru cause I think he can become decisive with his jutsu. Also... he is suppose to be Naruto's confident, so he will probably play a big role after war, when the time for Sasuke to become final vilain has come...

[Canadian_DJ]

Why would she need to think about it? As the oldest daughter of the leader it's her birthright.
 
Hiashi's previous favoritism of Hanabi was to further establish Hinata's status as the underdog of her family, which is how she's able to relate to Naruto and thus get inspired by him. As the story progressed Hiashi was able to see Hinata with better eyes and has noticed her growing confidence. That all serves to show Hiashi finally acknowledging Hinata enough to entrust the future of the clan to her.

Why does she have to think about it? Ofcoarse she has to think about it, how else is kishimoto going to show us that hinata wants to become the head of the clan? By asspulling it? I dont think so. It was nwver stated in the manga that hinata had the birthright to become the head of the clan, its just been shown that since shes part of the main branch, she doesnt have to suffer from that seal from the side branch. Hiashi saw hinats as a weakling back then since she was inferior to her several year younger sister which was nuch better than hinafs. Hinata was sad that she was kicked out of her fathers sight and placed under kurenai. It was never said by her that she wants to prove herself to her dad, in fact, it was naruto who she wanted to prove herself to and thats what she did, although she failed miserably during her confession which was basically her jumping in carelessly, but thats how kishimoto writed her character and made naruto cheer her up during the war, and after that she reminded him of nejis sacrifice but barely reached him, kurama managed to completely pull him out.

Hinatas character is done, she has never been mentioned by kishi to become the head, if she was then tell me this; why didnt kishimoto ever make hinata even think ONCE about her wanting to become head? Or even want to please her dad? Hinata isnt even strong enough for the role as head of clan. She only mastered the twin lion fists which is barely even enough, and dont even mention the 64 palms. Thats not leader material, not to mention she has never been shown in the manga to have leader qualities like sakura or shikamaru. Hiashi has just been looking donw on hinata, that when he saw her do that air palm he was impressed, and that wasnt even from her chakra and effort, she was powered up by narutos chakra which doesnt count. Hiashi was just saying how she was able to push it with her air palm. He didnt say, "oh my god! Hinata is so strong shes qualified to becomw the head of thr clan!" No. Hanabi has been trained so much and shes probably ten times stronger than hinata is now. Why throw away that development when kishimoto made hinatas character as a weak person designed to work harder and improve? Waste of time.

Hinatas character has come to a full circle.

The side characters that are always going to be connected to the story are team 10, and team ga since they're important. Hinatas done. Deal with it. With all due respect.

[sushi.]

Hinata's character is not done because

 

+ She still has confidence issues, less than before, but they're there.

+ She still can not speak a full sentence properly, without stuttering that is. This is a bigger problem than it should be.

+ If/when NS comes, she needs to let Naruto go which she has not done yet.

+ Kishimoto will give her closure because he gave her these issues for a reason, so she would overcome it.

likes to give everything closure and he dislikes loose ends. All characters, even Tsunade's bond with Dan got a final development.

 

+ And last; I don't care about this one because I'm not a Hinata fan, but why would Kishi give her a plain new Jutsu (Lion fists) if we're never going to see it? There's a possibility we will, and I'm actually curious on how it works and how powerful it is.

 

I agree that Hinata's spotlight in this war is done - and I'm not saying she'll never appear again before it's over, but I think her biggest moment was and will always be 615. But her character is not done.

 

I also agree with Canadian_DJ on one thing, that it'll be better if Hinata expresses a desire to lead the Hyuuga clan. Not because it's her birthright, but because she wants to protect and lead her clan and be acknowledged. That will fit better with the themes in this manga.

 

One thing I want for Hinata is a conversation between her and Hiashi, he can tell her how proud he is of her. Because I can see it in his eyes now!

Edited by sushi., 05 August 2013 - 06:35 PM.

[Canadian_DJ]

Hinata's character is not done because
 
+ She still has confidence issues, less than before, but they're there.
+ She still can not speak a full sentence properly, without stuttering that is. This is a bigger problem than it should be.
+ If/when NS comes, she needs to let Naruto go which she has not done yet.
+ Kishimoto will give her closure because he gave her these issues for a reason, so she would overcome it.
likes to give everything closure and he dislikes loose ends. All characters, even Tsunade's bond with Dan got a final development.
 
+ And last; I don't care about this one because I'm not a Hinata fan, but why would Kishi give her a plain new Jutsu (Lion fists) if we're never going to see it? There's a possibility we will, and I'm actually curious on how it works and how powerful it is.
 
I agree that Hinata's spotlight in this war is done - and I'm not saying she'll never appear again before it's over, but I think her biggest moment was and will always be 615. But her character is not done.
 
I also agree with Canadian_DJ on one thing, that it'll be better if Hinata expresses a desire to lead the Hyuuga clan. Not because it's her birthright, but because she wants to protect and lead her clan and be acknowledged. That will fit better with the themes in this manga.
 
One thing I want for Hinata is a conversation between her and Hiashi, he can tell her how proud he is of her. Because I can see it in his eyes now!

The points you've listed really arent valid reasons.

So what if hinata cant complete a full sentence when she talks? She isnt made as a reserved character. Thats just how she is. Shy and timid. Thats not a valid reason.

Hinata has already gained the confidence. Thats why she was able to remind naruto of nejis sacrifice. And able to jump and confess to naruto and die. I know thats not much, but maybe you guys are just expecting alot from her, for god knows why

Hinata is definitely aware of naruto snd sakuras relationship. And thats why she said she'd stop chasing after him after the war. Basically she said shes gonna let go of him. Shes already witnessed sakura hug naruto and didnt seem disturbed. And mind you a hug in japan is considered romantic so hinata knew exactly what was going on. Hinata has nothing to do with the romantic subplot, if thstd the case then why dont we have a crowd of rejected lovers around naruto and sakura? Why doesnt anyone care about lee? Why doesnt anyone say, "hey lee still has to confront sakura". Hinata has nothing to do with narutos love life, shes just a friend. Kishimotk already made naruto address when hinata jumped in to save naruto, why didnt he make him include her confession? Because its irrelevant. And even if hinata isnt aware of naruro and sakuras relationship, she has nothing to do with anything.


Can you tell me real issues hinata has? Because shes done.

If kishi intended tk show us what hinatas technique has in store why didnt he show us in chspter 633? He couldve added one more panel, but no. Even then, whats so special about her technique? Whats it gonna do? My guess is just like in the UNS2 game, it drains the opponents chakra. Theres nothing big with hinatas techniques. Her charavter isnt meant to be strong. Shes a weak character meant to improve, and thats what she did, she improved and was able to do the 64 palms-as stupid as it may sound.

Hinata isnt going to become the head of the clan and its too late now for anymore resolves for hinata. If she planned to become the hesd back in part 1 or atleast beginning of part 2 then id agree. But since kishimoto barely even showed her in part 2 and only showed her once in part 1 (as in 1 purpose) and has only made her goals to gain confidense which she has, and improve. Nothing else. Hinata isnt gonna become the head of the clan and shes not gonna suddenly hsve a new goal. She already said she'd stop chasing sfter naruto since she'd keep improving herself even if its one step.

I havent seen a single jspsnese fan so far make such a fsr fetched speculstion about hinata when its kbviousthat her character has nothing to do with the hesd of clan but improving.

You guys and anyone ekse can keep expecting from hhinata but you wont get anything out of her. The series will end and you still wont get anything out of her. Not even in the epilogue if there even will be one.

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 05 August 2013 - 07:02 PM.

[sushi.]

Even when I listed her issues, you ask for them.

 

But I agree that I should've merged point 1 with 2, because they are so connected. She has such a low confidence she can't even speak a full sentence. You could argue this is just because of her shyness, but when she is like this to such a famaliar person like Kiba, like I said; It becomes a bigger problem than it should be.

 

Lee doesn't have to confront Sakura because he hasn't showed interest in her since part 1. It was a crush as far as we know.

[T XD]

I can say from what I've seen from Hinata in the manga till now that she really doesn't need pretty much anything anymore.

 

She was an underdog, slowly but surely improved by what we saw lately. Now, she's equal to Naruto, acknowledged by him, her father saw her how she has became strong and confident enough. Hinata has made an achievement. Stuttering and alike is in her character. Probably, if Kishi did an epilogue and we saw her older, this trait in her is gone.

 

Now, it's really back like before. She and other side characters like always appearing with each other, doing some appearance each when they have to, and mini roles when they're fighting like we saw in 633 and alike.

 

If Kishi wants to show us her state regarding being infatuated with Naruto and moving on or such, he'll just show us her making the decision to move on or that she's already doing that cause she said after the war she'll stop chasing after him.

Edited by T XD, 05 August 2013 - 07:18 PM.

[redragon88]

I still don't see the issue with people not wanting Hinata to be the future leader of the Hyuuga. It's not like she'll become the head right now. She said that from now one she'll keep moving forward, improving herself little by little. At some point she'll become strong enough to be a proper leader and Hiashi will gladly accept her as such.

 

The point of her development is not to show her as the leader right now, is to show that she's finally begun the road to be one.

 

As nice as it would be to have scenes about Hinata thinking of the Hyuuga clan that lack of them doesn't imply Hinata doesn't care for them. It's just that Kishi didn't really feel like exploring it. Hinata is a kind girl so it's obvious that she would care deeply for the happiness of her clan considering they're her family. It's already an implication to think so, just as it's accepted that she cares for Kiba and Shino despite not having panels that elaborate on her doing so, but it's understood since they're her precious teammates.