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[CloudMountainJuror]

And you guys will be happy with that? I'm done.

Honestly? I agree with you. Tobi is one of my favorite characters, and if he turns good, I may very well be extremely disappointed. Kabuto was wasted as a villain already; we don't need another wasted one.

[Branden]

sounds to me like you had high expectations and now you feel like this chapter is worse in comparison to what you were expecting

[Codus N]

So we have on one side, Naruto, Kakashi and Gai, who have been fighting non stop for over a day, and Madara who can't run out of chakra and Obito who is fresh when compared to the others. So we have another impossible situation, which can only come out with one of two situations, A complete loss with Bee and maybe Naruto captured, or Naruto awakens a new power thanks to the combined Chakra he has recieved from the other Bijuu, forcing them to retrieve.

You might also wanna add that Kakashi is likely mentally broken as of now. He didn't even try to react to Obito's attack. So yeah, things are looking grim right now because Kakashi is their strategist. Now that he's practically out of the game, they may be defeated. I wonder though, if the alliance doesn't make it in time, will Guy give try to make a desperate attempt and use the 8th gate to help buy them time and escape from Madara?? this would be too depressing too, since Guy is essentially Kakashi's best friend too.

If Kishi's going to go all out, he might as well kill Guy to really push Kakashi.

And regarding the Bijuus & Jinchuurikis, I'm still holding out a sliver of hope that somehow, the Jinchuurikis are revived with their powers as well. Well, at least a partial amount of their powers. Not only that, if the 5 Kages or at least Gaara is chasing Madara, and the alliance manage to make Madara and Obito retreat by freeing Shukaku, I would literally die from the epicness of the Jinchuuriki squad being born.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Honestly? I agree with you. Tobi is one of my favorite characters, and if he turns good, I may very well be extremely disappointed. Kabuto was wasted as a villain already; we don't need another wasted one.

Agreed, kabuto was epic he was the only one "villain" in all the series that trained hard and worked for it, started weak and without any special powers got beaten by an asspull jutsu.

[harry4e]

sounds to me like you had high expectations and now you feel like this chapter is worse in comparison to what you were expecting

I was expecting more from a chapter than a unneeded flashback, being told Rin Dying was atleast partially to blame for Obito going to the darkside, nothing else, no flashback on how she actually died, just that she died, and then Madara popping up to ruin the fun.

My expectations were not high, but I expected atleast a chapter at the same quality as a regular chapter, this one was as bad as a Bleach chapter where half the pages are full of one move effect.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Agreed, kabuto was epic he was the only one "villain" in all the series that trained hard and worked for it, started weak and without any special powers got beaten by an asspull jutsu.

Not only that, but Kishi also had to bring back Orochimaru, who had to take away Kabuto's power that he took so much time to achieve. So much for the new generation surpassing the old. Kabuto's been denied that.

Plus, am I the only one who would have loved to see Sennin Naruto vs. Sennin Kabuto? That would have been infinitely more interesting than most of what Kishi is throwing at us now, to me at least. The confrontation of the true master of the toads and the true master of the snakes (not Sasuke, not Orochimaru; dark-horse villain Kabuto, that's who!).

[Branden]

Not only that, but Kishi also had to bring back Orochimaru, who had to take away Kabuto's power that he took so much time to achieve. So much for the new generation surpassing the old. Kabuto's been denied that.

Plus, am I the only one who would have loved to see Sennin Naruto vs. Sennin Kabuto? That would have been infinitely more interesting than most of what Kishi is throwing at us now, to me at least. The confrontation of the true master of the toads and the true master of the snakes (not Sasuke, not Orochimaru; dark-horse villain Kabuto, that's who!).

would have been awesome, but that wasn't Naruto's fight. It was Sasuke and Itachi's.

[Nefertieh]

I liked Kabuto's backstory to be honest, and I think he will probably be used again in the future.

Some people like their villains to be undiluted evil, I understand, but one of the strong themes of this manga is understanding people and changing people, no matter the odds.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Not only that, but Kishi also had to bring back Orochimaru, who had to take away Kabuto's power that he took so much time to achieve. So much for the new generation surpassing the old. Kabuto's been denied that.

Plus, am I the only one who would have loved to see Sennin Naruto vs. Sennin Kabuto? That would have been infinitely more interesting than most of what Kishi is throwing at us now, to me at least. The confrontation of the true master of the toads and the true master of the snakes (not Sasuke, not Orochimaru; dark-horse villain Kabuto, that's who!).

Kabuto was the type
"Some men just want to watch the world burn"
this makes him reach the level of epicness kitten you madara, obito, orochimaru,sasuke, kabuto is the best villain.

[Transformers03]

I liked Kabuto's backstory to be honest, and I think he will probably be used again in the future.

Some people like their villains to be undiluted evil, I understand, but one of the strong themes of this manga is understanding people and changing people, no matter the odds.

Exactly.

[kirabook]

Come on people, you're rarely ever going to find a villain that's bad JUST to be bad these days. There's always a reason, no matter how miniscule others may think it is. (whether they're truly insane and ahve no idea what they're doing, they lost a loved one or ones, they were treated badly as a child or even as an adult, they delved too deeply into things and lost their empathy, etc etc)

It's also silly to complain about the predictability of how the story is moving. What, did you expect some random event that we were never clued in on before to make Obito who he is today? Rin was hinted at so hard last week, even a blind person could see it. And now, due to the end of this chapter, we can assume Madara had something to do with Obito being a live (and 'evil') since he knows his name.

I'd rather something be hinted at time and time again and then fulfilled later on rather than having something completely and utterly random happen. No to bring pairings into this, but that is a reason why I support NS, because it's the one pairing that had way to many hints and built up not to happen if we look at other things that became true. (Minato being Naruto's father, Tobi = Obito)

[TouKen4Life3g]

Okay, after reading all the responses, time to write mine.

First of all, I should have warn everybody that don't get too high hope for chapter 600 because most likely we weren't going to get the full explanation of Tobi/Obito, but now, we can say Rin is the most impact one to Obito to turn evil. I wouldn't say the she is the main reason yet, but I do believe there is more to him. I like the chapter for great display of emotions from Kakashi and how the situation is really becoming too hectic for Naruto because now, he's losing Kakashi since he's really losing it. I can't blame him because it really does sound like he's the cause of the war, but I wouldn't blame him. I would blame life because that's just the way it is. It makes sense for Obito to escape reality and build the ultimate illusion. I can't wait for full explanation. Of course, the icing the cake is the last double page. All I cay say is "Oh $^*!!"

I do believe that Naruto will hear Kakashi's story soon, just not now. Most likely, Kakashi will tell him that Obito is the same as Naruto: Work hard, rivalry with Kakashi, wanted to be the next Hokage, and tried to win Rin's heart. Naruto heard the reason, so it's only fitting for him to understand more later on. This is Naruto's fight.

It's interesting to note that each arc Naruto understands more. Let's go back to Pain arc. This arc had many developments for him. One is the understanding of revenge, which relates to Sasuke. Remember in the beginning, he almost talk like Sasuke, which stirred Sakura in that one panel. Thankfully, he wasn't on vengeance, though he admits that he wants to kill Nagato so bad, which is truly understandable. The other development is to understanding the system of the ninja, which is told to be corrupted. Now, he is on the mission to fix it with his own hands, which everyone else is doing it with power and anger.

Kage Summit arc is Naruto's development to understand what it takes to bring back Team 7 and pretty much set up to fight Sasuke one last time to bring him back. Even if the world is against his idea, he will do it with his own hands. Now, if Naruto learns Obito's background, this will be the development for him to understand what will happen if he lose Sakura. Love is being played in this situation for Obito and it's given that Naruto will learn something from this. In fact, he will learn that he is the opposite of him. I can see why now Naruto constantly repeating, "I will become a Hokage." It just shows you the opposite of Obito, which he gave up on it. Love will be another one as Naruto may say something like, "It will take me days, months, or years, but no matter what, I will not give up." That and understanding the meaning of love. I can see Naruto getting more mature as he come across people who had difficult time.

Also, it seems like that Itachi's quote about Minato having Kushina and people support him largely being play in here. Sakura can be in Kushina's role, which makes perfect sense, especially her traits is similar to Rin (medic, Naruto's love interest). I can see Naruto looking worry for Sakura, which will trigger Obito that she is his love interest, not to mention it looks like Naruto will take a beating here, so Sakura will heal him.

The possibility is huge and already I can't wait for more.

[tricksie]

It's ironic that Mr. Aw-shucks-I-don't-write-romance-very-well Kishimoto has turned to the love bond again and again in the course of the plot.

[Gravenimage]

It's ironic that Mr. Aw-shucks-I-don't-write-romance-very-well Kishimoto has turned to the love bond again and again in the course of the plot.

There must be a reason why he's doing that, it could probably mean that there might be a big NS scene coming in the future when Sakura and Naruto reunite in the battlefield.

[alexander]

It's ironic that Mr. Aw-shucks-I-don't-write-romance-very-well Kishimoto has turned to the love bond again and again in the course of the plot.

What I find the most ironic here is how we are aways bored with Kishimoto flashbacks that show an character background, and yet, when we need an flashback the most for clarification, he give us none....

[Nefertieh]

I'm not sure which fight will be bigger. The Kakashi/ Gai/ Naruto vs Obito and Madara or the pairing war.

[Branden]

The way I see it Sakura is heading towards the battlefield and Obito will no doubt see the similiarities between Naruto/Sakura and Himself/Rin, especially if she heals him like someone already said.

The question is will Obito show sympathy? Will he try to prove a point? Will he feel like everything is unfair? Will he not care and simply fight strictly to win?






Off Topic :
hey derock, I see you have a cool orange name at the currently reading topic section. Can you give me a green name? Please?

[Hiraishin]

It's ironic that Mr. Aw-shucks-I-don't-write-romance-very-well Kishimoto has turned to the love bond again and again in the course of the plot.

Dude! This is what I'm always thinking! Pfft, Kishi. You liee.

Also, I'm hoping the rest of the Alliance will show up soon. Maybe Sakura will go to where Naruto and the others are, cause she's a medic and all, and Obito may think of Rin when he sees her.
And, Kakashi being their strategist as has been mentioned, perhaps Sakura can help fill in that role. Granted, she may not have as much experience as Kakashi, but she is smart in her own right.

And still hoping "Obito" isn't just Obito. I kind of like that Izuna-Obito theory.

[Derock]

Off Topic :
hey derock, I see you have a cool orange name at the currently reading topic section. Can you give me a green name? Please?

We don't have any options to change members' status to any color.

Blue is for moderators = ANBU ranks and orange is for administrators = Kages. Sorry.

Back on topic:

It was all find and dandy until Rin's smile came up and Obito told his reason. As most of you pointed out, yeah I thought it was shallow, because it made him look pathetic as a villain. You're pissed off because your teammate failed to protect the girl you loved and want to dominate the world because of what happened in the past (especially when everyone, including those two, you know already knew that you're dead?!)

But once Madara showed up, I know we're in for alot of plot holes that are right now in the way that need to be filled up completely in the next couple of chapters before this crazy battle of Team Naruto (Him, Kakashi, Guy and Bee) vs. Obito and Madara begins.

Hopefully Sakura and the rest of Alliance are coming up soon. And what happened to the Kages after their fight with Madara?

[James S Cassidy]

So...let me get this straight....So Obito has become Anakin Skywalker?

Anakin (Obito) wanted to protect his love, Padme (Rin), from death all because of a dream. So he wanted more power to protect them. Unfortunately, while he thought power was for good, power eventually leads to bad. Emperor Palpatine (Madara) ends up manipulating Anakin (Obito) into believing that the dark side is better because you gain power and thus you can save your loved ones. Anakin (Obito) accidentally kills Padme (Rin) and goes darker into madness. Obi-Wan (Kakashi) shows up and Anakin(Obito) blames him for Padme (Rin) betraying him. Obi-Wan (kakashi) tries to stop him, but ends up having to kill Anakin (Obito) or leave him for dead.

Kakashi: "You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the hatred, not join them! Bring balance to the Shinobi way, not leave it in darkness!"
Obito: I HATE YOU!!!
Kakashi: You were my brother, Obito; I loved you.

Actually, that would be pretty cool in my opinion.

Of all the times that Tobi has said stuff throughout this entire manga I kept getting told that "Tobi was the master at manipulation and you can't trust anything he says," but all of a sudden now all you people believe him? Come on, Tobi has the ultimate crunch on Kakashi. Tobi is Obito who says that this all happened because Rin died. Who says he is not manipulating him now? He is even having Kakashi have guilt and second thoughts. This is better than the Edo Tensei battles.

No, like I said, there is more to it. Until we read the whole story I am not willing to give up hope and give in to disappointment.

We could even have that Rin dying is not JUST the only reason, but only the beginning to his madness. Like Sasuke with Orochimaru, maybe Madara offered him a way out of his sad existence and begun manipulating him into believing in a better world. There could be many reasons on why he has gone mad. So, again I am going to wait.

We all know Madara has a hand in this because he seems to be good friends with Obito.

I also say that people are right when they say that Obito is not really that evil. His idea was that he wanted peace for the entire world. That doesn't sound so evil does it? No, but the way he wanted to achieve it was the evil part. Kill the few to save the many and take away freewill. Again, people say it's shallow, but it is true none the less and the motivation hasn't changed since. It just got more complicated because well society decided to fight back. It's kind of that Lawful evil. "I love the world so much, I want to kill them all to save them all"

Ironic that Obito actually managed to achieve peace among the world simply by becoming this huge villain against it all. I wonder if he realizes that? Hmmm. Anyway, I think someone got their wish because I believe Madara gave Obito the idea of the Eye of the Moon plan and let him do all the dirty work so he can betray him in the end. So the only true villain here is Madara who really either wants to destroy the world or control it and become god.

Anyone else foresee a Obito vs Madara fight? I do.

Hey guys, I thought you were telling me not to complain because Kishi will explain everything this chapter. Where's my explanation?! Obito is going what he did because of Rin dying? Well....that's pathetic. The only good pages in this chapter were the last 2. Obito mixing his Fire Jutsu and Kamui and MADARA MOTHERFLIPPING UCHIHA showing up.

Dude, It takes more than one chapter to explain an entire lifetime and no one ever said it would be explained in one chapter. Hell, Kabuto's life took up three chapters and revealed that not everything is as what it seemed. It was even shown that he lied about a few things and that Orochimaru didn't free him from Sasori, but he was a double agent the whole time...he is a very good double agent.

Honestly? I agree with you. Tobi is one of my favorite characters, and if he turns good, I may very well be extremely disappointed. Kabuto was wasted as a villain already; we don't need another wasted one.

Look on the bright side, we always have Sasuke.....OH WAIT....we don't. Naruto has to save him and make him good again. Silly me. Sasuke doesn't even get a chance to be a villain because he is doomed to be a good guy.

Plus, am I the only one who would have loved to see Sennin Naruto vs. Sennin Kabuto?

I did too. That would have been awesome to have a Sage on Sage fight. Like two Jedi's going at it...(damn me and my Star Wars referencing.)

Maybe we will get to do it in one of the games.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 05 September 2012 - 04:33 PM.