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[harry4e]

Yeah, the Kyuubi is very useful in those cases isn't it?

It's not a hole, because Kishi intentionally made Sasori notice it and praise the skill.

But is that really the Kyuubi's ability? Remember during the Chuunin exam didn't Orichimaru seal away the Kyuubi chakra? Yet after his battle with Kiba it showed how his self healing capabilites were still there, when his cuts closed up soon as he applied the cream Hinata gave him. His mother survived the Kyuubi extraction straight after childbirth, and we can't say for certain she couldn't have been healed with her having a giant hole in her stomach from Kurama, I'll agree the Kyuubi was largely responsible for regrowing the lung, but I think the ability to self heal minor cuts is a ability passed down from the Sage himself.

[ramenanmitsu]

But is that really the Kyuubi's ability? Remember during the Chuunin exam didn't Orichimaru seal away the Kyuubi chakra? Yet after his battle with Kiba it showed how his self healing capabilites were still there, when his cuts closed up soon as he applied the cream Hinata gave him. His mother survived the Kyuubi extraction straight after childbirth, and we can't say for certain she couldn't have been healed with her having a giant hole in her stomach from Kurama, I'll agree the Kyuubi was largely responsible for regrowing the lung, but I think the ability to self heal minor cuts is a ability passed down from the Sage himself.

That could possibly be the Uzumaki clan ability since they have long life expectancy.

But after the Kyuubi attack, were there any indications of Kushina having minor cuts and having it healed?

[ciardha]

Wasn't Sakura able to heal without using seals?

Remember Sasori said it was impressive she can heal her wounds while having the sword go right through her? She wasn't forming seals then, she was holding on to the sword.

Hmm could this be a clue about Sakura? Could she have Senju ancestry somewhere way back, and have inherited the ability? This could be another reason why Tsunade is smiling and why she so thoroughly trained Sakura.

[Dragunov]

Hmm could this be a clue about Sakura? Could she have Senju ancestry somewhere way back, and have inherited the ability? This could be another reason why Tsunade is smiling and why she so thoroughly trained Sakura.

Well, from what Madatobi told us, Naruto is related to the Senju

[Darth Krypt]

Hmm could this be a clue about Sakura? Could she have Senju ancestry somewhere way back, and have inherited the ability? This could be another reason why Tsunade is smiling and why she so thoroughly trained Sakura.

Or it could be a plothole. I don't really have trust in Kishi to follow up on that information. But I wish it means something. Sakura's ability to control chakra wasn't really touched upon as much as it can be. I'll just wait for Sakura to arrive at the battlefield and see what Kishi has planned for her, if there is any.

[Phantom_999]

Well, it's like this....Using video game RPG terms:

The Ninja of Madara and Hashirama's generation are all Level Over 9000 because they've leveled up so many times from fighting so many times.
Those who came after Madara and Hashirama may also be close to their predecessor's skill/power level.

The Kage (minus Gaara) and the older ninja alive to have been in the 3rd Great Shinobi War are probably just capping 1000.

The Rookie 12's generation aren't even level 100. Gaara himself may be midway between Rookie 12's generation and the Kage generation, along with people such as Neji, Rock Lee, and Sasuke. Though, Sasuke is far more powerful than his peers except for Naruto. I may have exaggerated with my 'power levels' but that's how I see it.

Now, Naruto is probably able to fight Madara with his Kyuubi mode, but he'll still need help anyway.

I'll repeat it again, this 'ranking' of sorts isn't to be taken seriously. Obviously, it's exaggerated, but it's to illustrate why I accept Madara's significant power difference from the 'modern shinobi.' Now, obviously I'm about to be proven wrong next chapter.

I may have worded it wrong but I'm not talking about difference in strength, I'm talking about having talents and skills that old generations have and new ones do not even though the are blood related and should have hidden skills that excel those, and that's the excuse for losing. It's not that I don't get it I just want them to change it up for once. that's all. But if not I want Tsunade to kick his ass single handed before he disappears. well let's just leave then.

Hmm could this be a clue about Sakura? Could she have Senju ancestry somewhere way back, and have inherited the ability? This could be another reason why Tsunade is smiling and why she so thoroughly trained Sakura.

no. I'd like it more if it was like she has talent that excels Tsunade or Hashirama at healing. And she should have chakra shock waves to augment her taijutsu.

Edited by Phantom_999, 03 March 2012 - 07:13 AM.

[ciardha]

no. I'd like it more if it was like she has talent that excels Tsunade or Hashirama at healing. And she should have chakra shock waves to augment her taijutsu.

I'd like to see her use her water element (what she uses to swiftly heal Kankuro- charging water with her chakra and manipulating it) in fighting ability and using her inner second self also in battle- we did see that she was stronger enough that even Itachi's clone wasn't able to effect her, where even Kakashi started to go under again.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I may have worded it wrong but I'm not talking about difference in strength, I'm talking about having talents and skills that old generations have and new ones do not even though the are blood related and should have hidden skills that excel those, and that's the excuse for losing. It's not that I don't get it I just want them to change it up for once. that's all. But if not I want Tsunade to kick his ass single handed before he disappears. well let's just leave then.

What?

[Shadow Wolf]

I may have worded it wrong but I'm not talking about difference in strength, I'm talking about having talents and skills that old generations have and new ones do not even though the are blood related and should have hidden skills that excel those, and that's the excuse for losing. It's not that I don't get it I just want them to change it up for once. that's all. But if not I want Tsunade to kick his ass single handed before he disappears. well let's just leave then.

What?

I think he is talking about how powerful the skills of the ninjas of the previous generations were, and how most of the shinobi of the actual generation do not have skills that are as powerful as those.

For example, Senju could heal without using seals while Tsunade has to use seals to heal. And how Minato and Jiraiya could use the Rasengan without having to rely on clones while Naruto has to use a clone to form the rasengan.

This topic about the how powerful the techniques of the shinobi of the first generation were overshadows the fact that there are new techniques which are just as powerful as those. (Like the fact the Naruto could completed the Tailed Beast Ball and Sasuke using an even more powerful Susanoo).

And also, it gives the impression that the shinobi of the current generation are weak despite the fact that they may have developed new techniques (heck, we don't know if Tsunade has developed a new technique that Hashirama didn't even thought about). Think about the following: Who seems more powerful, Orochimaru or Kabuto (who made an even better version of the Edo Tensei), Minato or Naruto (sure, Naruto has the Nine-Tails inside of him, but we can't deny the fact that he also has a tremendous amount of stamina. He mastered tha Shadow Clone jutsu without relying on Kurama).

Plus, since some of the ninjas have the same bloodline as the first shinobi, wouldn't it be fair that they could also develop those techniques that the shinobi of the first generation used?

So in conclusion, that someone of the new generation loses to the old generation because he/she doesn't have the same techniques (or more powerful ones) is kinda lame, right?

I think that's what I understood from that sentence. Correct me if I'm wrong Phantom.

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 03 March 2012 - 02:31 PM.

[Phantom_999]

I think he is talking about how powerful the skills of the ninjas of the previous generations were, and how most of the shinobi of the actual generation do not have skills that are as powerful as those.

For example, Senju could heal without using seals while Tsunade has to use seals to heal. And how Minato and Jiraiya could use the Rasengan without having to rely on clones while Naruto has to use a clone to form the rasengan.

This topic about the how powerful the techniques of the shinobi of the first generation were overshadows the fact that there are new techniques which are just as powerful as those. (Like the fact the Naruto could completed the Tailed Beast Ball and Sasuke using an even more powerful Susanoo).

And also, it gives the impression that the shinobi of the current generation are weak despite the fact that they may have developed new techniques (heck, we don't know if Tsunade has developed a new technique that Hashirama didn't even thought about). Think about the following: Who seems more powerful, Orochimaru or Kabuto (who made an even better version of the Edo Tensei), Minato or Naruto (sure, Naruto has the Nine-Tails inside of him, but we can't deny the fact that he also has a tremendous amount of stamina. He mastered tha Shadow Clone jutsu without relying on Kurama).

Plus, since some of the ninjas have the same bloodline as the first shinobi, wouldn't it be fair that they could also develop those techniques that the shinobi of the first generation used?

So in conclusion, that someone of the new generation loses to the old generation because he/she doesn't have the same techniques (or more powerful ones) is kinda lame, right?

I think that's what I understood from that sentence. Correct me if I'm wrong Phantom.

That's my point. That's what I want changed: tho have the new generations have more proficient skills than the old since they should have built from those foundations, not more power. Anyway I know it WON'T happen so let's drop the subject. I only brought it up cause I hate Madara's cocky attitude

[ciardha]

I think he is talking about how powerful the skills of the ninjas of the previous generations were, and how most of the shinobi of the actual generation do not have skills that are as powerful as those.

For example, Senju could heal without using seals while Tsunade has to use seals to heal. And how Minato and Jiraiya could use the Rasengan without having to rely on clones while Naruto has to use a clone to form the rasengan.

Yeah, but Naruto was able to do with rasengan what Jiriaya, Minato (and Kakashi too) were not able to do- successfully combine his element with rasengan- making a superior rasengan. Perhaps Tsunade perfected Gensis Rebirth from what her grandmother Mito could do with it. (Mito had the diamond symbol on her forehead, we don't know how she used it, but Orochimaru remarked upon seeing Tsunade when the Sanin fought that: "someone else has been studying old ninja techniques..."

[Phantom_999]

with kage bunshin. Now if he could do a regular rasengan without kage bunshin, I'd like that more

[merryGOflava]

with kage bunshin. Now if he could do a regular rasengan without kage bunshin, I'd like that more

Wait he never done that before???

I thought he did?? In kyuubi mode? Sage mode??

Either way I think it's just naruto's own unique way. His Kage bunshins are his thing! And because of them he learned the technique faster than both jiraiya and Minato combined!!
They only wish they thought of it.....or had enough chakra to do it

[Phantom_999]

Nope. and even if he did I want it without an special chakra power. Him doing rasengan by himself.

[The Tax-Man]

Yeah, but Naruto was able to do with rasengan what Jiriaya, Minato (and Kakashi too) were not able to do- successfully combine his element with rasengan- making a superior rasengan. Perhaps Tsunade perfected Gensis Rebirth from what her grandmother Mito could do with it. (Mito had the diamond symbol on her forehead, we don't know how she used it, but Orochimaru remarked upon seeing Tsunade when the Sanin fought that: "someone else has been studying old ninja techniques..."

Yeah I know what you're saying. Naruto has surpassed both Minato and Jiraya, that's just a fact, but getting back to the chapter, Madara is right. Tsunade IS weak. Yes, she may be a great medic, but she's still way too weak. I mean come on, her 4yr old self and her current self look about the same in power compared to Hashirama. And that's saying a lot. The thing is, Kishimoto's so obsessed with making newer characters even stronger as he introduces them, he forgot that he already established characters who are SUPPOSED to be on the same level as the new ones. Looking at Tsunade, would you honestly think she is anywhere near the power of ANY of the other Kage? No, right? Exactly.

[Dragunov]

Nope. and even if he did I want it without an special chakra power. Him doing rasengan by himself.

Hmmmmmmm................Odama Rasenshuriken anyone?

[Soul]

Hmmmmmmm................Odama Rasenshuriken anyone?

He did that in a movie I guess?

[Phantom_999]

I'd like to see her use her water element (what she uses to swiftly heal Kankuro- charging water with her chakra and manipulating it) in fighting ability and using her inner second self also in battle- we did see that she was stronger enough that even Itachi's clone wasn't able to effect her, where even Kakashi started to go under again.

OR this Either one is fine with me as long as she get's actual combat techniques

[FoolishYoungling]

It's already only 1 day away? Life is a fast thing.

[Fenris]

It's already only 1 day away? Life is a fast thing.

Im excited for it :3