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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE (anguyen92 @ Jun 13 2011, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's just face it nothing we can say, do , or show are going to persuade them to see differently. Even with Sakura resembling Kushina, they would/might say that Kushing looks like Hinata because of the long hair (saw that comment on a youtube video somewhere), uhhh hello, Sakura had long hair at one point and cut it off, effectively making her a better and more awesome person.

All in all, what we do is just wait it out. Is it possible to have a meaningful debate on the truths and opinions with this fanbase without bashing characters or trash-talking?

You're right, I highly doubt that we can.

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Posted 14 June 2011 - 02:36 AM

QUOTE (anguyen92 @ Jun 13 2011, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's just face it nothing we can say, do , or show are going to persuade them to see differently. Even with Sakura resembling Kushina, they would/might say that Kushina looks like Hinata because of the long hair (saw that comment on a youtube video somewhere), uhhh hello, Sakura had long hair at one point and cut it off, effectively making her a better and more awesome person.

All in all, what we do is just wait it out. Is it possible to have a meaningful debate on the truths and opinions with this fanbase without bashing characters or trash-talking?


Yes it is, I've seen plenty of fans do that.

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Posted 14 June 2011 - 05:26 AM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jun 10 2011, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're absolutely right about that. Rukia is as flat as a brick, yet she seems to get the majority of the Bleach-fandom love, while poor Orihime receives the equivalent of Naruto-fandom Sakura-level bashing.


Umm.... mind explaining this?? (Orihime)

Quit frankly, if even if she is somewhat put on a pedestal like Hinata (Rukia) it's at least somewhat justified considering she's done a huge heaps of stuff for the main hero and always looks out for him.

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Posted 14 June 2011 - 01:10 PM

Not to dig up the Harry Potter issue, but I have never read the books and your comments are NOT encouraging me to. smile.gif

Moving on. I don't think there is much to be argued about the subject. There always are fans overexaggerate the importance, role, might ofr good traits of a character they love, even if it is secondary, and bashers diminish the importance, role, power or good traits -whereas they overplay the bad ones- of a character they hate. It happens in all fandoms.

Hinata is a secondary character has barely showed up in the story, but she has many fans. Why? I don't know, albeit I have sundry theories. Nevertheless, she is insignificant plotwise and her character is underdeveloped, and honestly I don't see why Kishimoto should have invested time in fleshing her out if he thought she was a secondary with a very minor role and he would be better off developing characters and subplots were necessary to understand, deep in and move forward the plot.

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Let's just face it nothing we can say, do , or show are going to persuade them to see differently.


I agree. It doesn't matter how Naruto ends up. Pairing wars will go on for several years. I see the whole time people arguing about pairings of shows ended more than one decade ago. You still find people arguing about Ranma and Akane, Lina and Gourry, Shinji and Asuka... Geez, there is people argues if Sayaka or Maria is Koji Kabuto's true love!

Pairing wars will not end. People will stop arguing who will hook up with who, and they will start arguing who should have hooked up with who. However, I guess they will be less heated and less frequent after several years since the most of the fandom will eventually move on and leave.

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Posted 14 June 2011 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Jun 14 2011, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Umm.... mind explaining this?? (Orihime)

Quit frankly, if even if she is somewhat put on a pedestal like Hinata (Rukia) it's at least somewhat justified considering she's done a huge heaps of stuff for the main hero and always looks out for him.


I haven't really noticed a Hinata-level of a praise given to Rukia (if that's even possible), but Orihime definitely receives a lot more fandom bashing than any other female character on Bleach. It's probably been said already, but it basically boils down to the 'realistic girl' aspect. Both Sakura and Orihime seem to have a lot of insecurities regarding their abilities and overall role in protecting the hero. A lot of fans seem to equate this to being useless, as if a character who has to overcome personal issues and improve oneself is an inferior character to one who can simply be awesome whenever they want (like fanon Hinata, LOL).

I have to admit, I wish I could seen the look on the Orihime-bashers faces when Aizen gave his 'powers that mock the gods' speech. I mean, seriously, how do you top that?

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 01:03 AM

QUOTE (anguyen92 @ Jun 13 2011, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's just face it nothing we can say, do , or show are going to persuade them to see differently. Even with Sakura resembling Kushina, they would/might say that Kushina looks like Hinata because of the long hair (saw that comment on a youtube video somewhere), uhhh hello, Sakura had long hair at one point and cut it off, effectively making her a better and more awesome person.

All in all, what we do is just wait it out. Is it possible to have a meaningful debate on the truths and opinions with this fanbase without bashing characters or trash-talking?


I had one with my little sister. She's a Hinata and NaruHina fan, but because of a friendly debate we had, she'll readily admit that NaruSaku will end up canon. She's twelve, people, and she acts more mature than most adult fans of NH do.

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 07:27 AM

QUOTE (KonaKonaFan @ Jun 15 2011, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I had one with my little sister. She's a Hinata and NaruHina fan, but because of a friendly debate we had, she'll readily admit that NaruSaku will end up canon. She's twelve, people, and she acts more mature than most adult fans of NH do.

I hate to say it but kids that age are normally ready to accept whats happening. Thing is, the Hinata fanbase I have to believe is mainly males, dare I say more...anyway these "Hinata fans" are also NaruHina fans most of the time and frequenty Sakura bashers, with the occasional supporter of both. They've come to suspect that Sakura will always be a b***h and that Hinata will be Naruto's new love interest. No point in trying to convert them, they themselves are the only way to see the truth, if they'd open their eyes for a good long minute to see who the real couple is.

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 03:50 PM

QUOTE (MangaReader @ Jun 15 2011, 02:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hate to say it but kids that age are normally ready to accept whats happening.


I disagree. Being able to hold one opinion, yet being accepting of another's is a show of strong maturity, which, frankly, most kids don't have.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 08:57 PM

I can understand why there are so many people out there who likes Hinata as much as they do. For in a way I am one of them. During part I we had 2 girls who were possible matches for our dear dense Naruto. On one hand we had Hinata who "trully" loved him, even in secret and on the other we had Sakura, who Naruto was deeply infatuated with.

At the point of the Chuunin arc, Hinata had appeared as a shy, yet sensitive girl who trully cared for Naruto despite all his flaws, and given the chance, was ready to step in and support him in any way he would need. We must also remember that Naruto (at that point specially) had never known love, neither from mother or father, friends, relatives or anything (Obs. Considering the sacrifice made by both Kushina and Minato, it still stuns me that both Sandaime and Jiraya and Kakashi allowed Naruto to be all alone for his entire childhood). So Hinata presented herself as someone ready to love Naruto, and to make him feel accepted. This situation was touching to those who liked the baka.

On the side, we had Sakura, pretty, popular and totally shallow. She just didn't give a damn about Naruto's feeling, and only recently had began to change her opinion about him. Her feelings for Sasuke were totally biased and unfounded, for she didn't know him at all, apart of the fact that he was a "Uchiha" and "popular". In truth, this is the worst kind of person there is in the world.

At this point is it perfectly understandable why so many people would prefer Hinata over Sakura. I did as well. But as events unfolded, Sakura began to change and realize who naruto really was, and also to draw strenght from his character. For Hinata, she was left in the sidelines. Hinata's backstory had a thousand possibilities, including the entire "clan affair", but that was never developed by Kishi.

As time went by, Sakura changed from a spolied shallow brat to a strong and sensitive girl, really supporting naruto and standing by his sides. Even more, she became his best friend, despite all his shortcomings. Hinata remained the same. So far the only thing Hinata did in part 2 was to jump in front of pain and say "I love you". Some may argue it was a selfish act, other a selfless one. I 'd rather go with the latter,but still it doesn't change the lack of attitude of her part. She had had plenty of time to mature, as most of the characters did, yet, she remained the same.

Regarding the Hinata fanbase/ Sakura bashing, there is one point I didn't see mentioned on this topic. Most ppl say it's because she is shy, motherly ( I think sakura is more motherly, specially considering both Kushina and Shimamaru's mother - his father fears her), tender, submissive, etc, or just because she has 2 torpedos in front of her. However in analogy we could call the "dansel in distress" syndrome.

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For some reason, some men feel atracted to woman in danger, not that she ever was in real danger, but she had the whole "need to be rescued" aura around her.

Sakura was the strong character, the one who would impose herself and do what needs to be done - or so she tried. However many men have difficults accepting a strong woman by their side, they feel unmanly, and would rather go for a more submisse girl (Hinata in this case). It seems we (men) have deep issues accepting help from women.

Now, as the story stands Sakura made a real effort to get closer to Naruto, even if not a romantic way, at least in a caring and tender manner. I recently read a manifesto talking about Sakura's development and I find myself agreeing with most of it. The character she is now has nothing to do with the one she was in the beggining of part I.

Besides all this, we still have the entire past generation/new generation theme to discuss. It is hardly a coincidence that Jiraya became Naruto's sensei (as he was Minato's) , as Tsunade became Sakura's and Orochimaru Sasuke's. At this point history (in the manga) is repeating itself all over again, but I believe it will turn out differently if only to show the new generation has learned something from the old one.

It is hardly a shock to realize that Naruto is a Jirays 2.0 (not as perverted though), and the same goes for the others. Yet Sakura witnessed how distressed Tsunade became after knowing of Jirays death, and i believe that Sakura perceived how much her sensei loved the Ero-sennin, even if she had never acknowledged the fact herself. In a way, this opened the possibility to allow Sakura to actually admit the possibility of loving Naruto without knowing it, also how lonely her life will be if she insists in the same mistakes of Tsunade.

Another comparison we can make without fear of wronging ourselves is between Naruto and Minato. Since part I many characters talk about how much Naruto reminds them of the Yondaime, and not only in appearance, but also on attitude. I believe there is an interesting theory that could apply here about why Naruto is so dense - every other child, even Sasuke, had parental support as they were growing up, and those in shiobi families were trained and taught since the youngest age. Naruto never had anyone to rely on, and was always left to his own design, never had anyone to impress, or to guide him, therefore, never saw the need to apply himself in the studies; all he cared was to become strong (not knowing the relation between strenght and knowledge)

Back to the comparison, we have Kushinga, who had a very strong character, attitude, not to mention her strenght and abilities. This somehow reminds me of Sakura (lol), who shows similar traits. Also Kushina's first impression of Minato were far from civil, such as were Sakura's first impression of Naruto.

I will not bet anything, since it all depends on the will of Kishi, however, it is my belief that he is rewriting the old generation history anew with naruto and the others. Maybe he wants to show how the new generation has surpassed the old one, as is commonly said that Naruto has surpassed both Jirays and Minato. If this turns to be true, it is clear that Naruto and Sakura will end up together.

My only fear regarding this pairing is that Sakura just doesn't "settle" for Naruto due to the lack of Sasuke. That would be terribly wrong, and an undeserving end for the history.

For Hinata, I believe that Kishi has taken a different turn. The scene where she is fighting alongside Neji raised some suspitions in my mind, and I believe somehow they will end up together (cousins can properly marry, right?). For one side she is the Hime, and heir of the Hyuga family, for the other, Neji is the most gifted Hyaga in history (not sure, but one of the most at least). It would also be a way to break the main family, support family curse, by marrying the heir to the main family with one who was "branded". Can't say it will happen, but it would surely make a nice development for the situation.

Again, just my 2 cents...

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 04:08 AM

(I posted this in the debate by accident... sweatdrop.gif silly me... thank goodness for Copy and Paste)

I would also gonna add something here about Hinata that I recently discovered (during a debate I had with my classmate over the said girl on facebook). One of our members had said that the Japanese disregards/doesn't care for Hinata in terms of popularity. That's not true. Wanna know why?

Let's look at the Character Polls from the 1st to the recent. Every single event that Hinata appear to jump into the action (starting with the third one -I believed- had its results out during the Leaf Invasion/Chunin Exam Arc), her numbers jumped twice as much to overcome and beaten numbers for Sakura's in the Top 10, but nowhere near the status where Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi were. But then when she doesn't appear, her numbers goes down. Now the recent poll (which covers possibly from the end of the Sasuke and Sai arc to the beginning of the Fourth War; this was why we hadn't seen a character/jutsu poll at the time), Hinata beats Sakura again because of the confession and she jumped into the action scenes again.

Although Sakura is still the overall popular female of the series, where she has over 11,000 votes, calculated from all of the polls, Hinata is about 2500 votes shy away. We may not know what will happen on the next character poll if Sakura may gain again or Hinata will jump ahead to beat Sakura. But I will say this, the Japanese does care for the Hyuga girl unfortunately, only when she jump into the scene (best examples are her fight against Neji and the confession scene/short fight with Pain combination).

... and I don't know why but I think Kishimoto need to stop using or pushing the said girl. The other girls, like Tsunade and Temari (even though she made it in the Top 15), aren't near those levels. I can see why fans complain that the females hadn't get that much action because he pushed a little on Hinata and she is given high reserves which is suppose to be for the main heroine, Sakura.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 04:22 AM

QUOTE (Verilance @ Jun 9 2011, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this, upon reading the first book many years ago, two things were brilliantly clear to me.

-Ron and Hermione would have a relationship of some kind

-Snape was in love with Harry's mum


yeah but Rowling Claimed there was a special bond between Harry and Hermione special moments that had only occurred between them so there was a potential for romance between then but just didn't go in that direction

QUOTE (Derock @ Jun 26 2011, 04:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(I posted this in the debate by accident... sweatdrop.gif silly me... thank goodness for Copy and Paste)

I would also gonna add something here about Hinata that I recently discovered (during a debate I had with my classmate over the said girl on facebook). One of our members had said that the Japanese disregards/doesn't care for Hinata in terms of popularity. That's not true. Wanna know why?

Let's look at the Character Polls from the 1st to the recent. Every single event that Hinata appear to jump into the action (starting with the third one -I believed- had its results out during the Leaf Invasion/Chunin Exam Arc), her numbers jumped twice as much to overcome and beaten numbers for Sakura's in the Top 10, but nowhere near the status where Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi were. But then when she doesn't appear, her numbers goes down. But in the recent poll (which covers possibly from the end of the Sasuke and Sai arc to the beginning of the Fourth War; this was why we hadn't seen a character/jutsu poll at the time), Hinata beats Sakura again because of the confession and she jumped into the action scenes again.

Although Sakura is still the overall popular female of the series, where she has over 11,000 votes, calculated from all of the polls, Hinata is about 2500 votes shy away. We may not know what will happen on the next character poll if Sakura may gain again or Hinata will jump ahead to beat Sakura. But I will say this, the Japanese does care for the Hyuga girl unfortunately, only when she jump into the scene (best examples are her fight against Neji and the confession scene/short fight with Pain combination).

... and I don't know why but I think Kishimoto need to stop using or pushing the said girl. The other girls, like Tsunade and Temari (even though she made it in the Top 15), aren't near those levels. I can see why fans complain that the females hadn't get that much action because he pushed a little on Hinata and she is given high reserves which is suppose to be for the main heroine, Sakura.


Indeed Derock but unfortunately even if Kishimoto did that fans woould rant at him to put their precious goddess rolleyes.gif back in the scene I want Sakura to be more popular and more recognized as the heroine too but it will take a while to undo the damage the anime has done to her portrayal I say this because about 80-90% of fans start with the anime so the violent tsundere has been etched into the general fandoms' hearts

QUOTE (K9ofChaos @ Jun 9 2011, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Boy that was a long read. But I'll give my two cents into this topic anyways.


There's one aspect to Hinata's popularity that can best be described in two simple words.


Sex. Appeal.


I think one of the main reasons why Hinata is so popular in the first place is because she has big breast. If any anime/manga series has at least one female character with enormous breast, odds are said character is going to garner a huge fan-base. Hell, some naruhina fans go so far as to use the argument that Naruto should get together with Hinata is because she has bigger breast than Sakura and take it one step further by claiming that Sakura is flat-chested (which has been proven false by ciardha many times on this forum and stated that Sakura is a B-cup at the very least). Add Hinata's bust, along with her moe characteristics can cater to any fanboys sexual fantasies and desires. These types of fans would want a sexy gal like Hinata to end up with the main character of the series so that he can be living there fantasies and just imagine themselves in those types of situations the couple would be in sexually or romantically if worse case scenario they don't get out often and aren't good with getting attention from the fair sex.


The way I see it, if a female character is sexually attractive to the opposite gender, then people aren't going to care if she's relevant to the plot or not. As long as this hot chick gets together with the main protagonist, they'll be perfectly content with the story without questioning the writing skills of the creator.


But Sakura IS a hot chick! its just her beauty and appeal are overlooked because of her temper and angry expressions that makes others tremble in fear whoever says other wise is not right in the head! (though I admit her early drawings were not pretty but still good job for his first female character) laugh.gif tongue.gif

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 04:47 AM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Jun 25 2011, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But Sakura IS a hot chick! its just her beauty and appeal are overlooked because of her temper and angry expressions that makes others tremble in fear whoever says other wise is not right in the head! (though I admit her early drawings were not pretty but still good job for his first female character) laugh.gif tongue.gif


I'm gonna say hell yeah, she's a hot chick, heck that was probably the reason why I started watching the anime other than Naruto being an awesome dude, young and bratty, but still awesome. The fact that she has a better personality in shippuden and that the main protagonist is in love with her makes, the show/magna better than it is.

But let's get back on topic, yeah those fanbase makes Hinata more than she seems. I mean Hinata seems all right, if she had a better development and not have a very agile fanbase, I could get behind her, but that is not the case.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 06:35 AM

Certainly Studio Pierrot made it glaringly obvious that they like Hinata so much because of her large breasts, even creepily when she was still a 12 year old girl during the fillers- that infamous naked waterfall dance scene- gross, adult men sexually objectifying a 12 year old girl that much just because she had breasts already. down.gif At least when a girl is 16 physically she basically has reached her adult size and shape. A girl not even 13 yet is a child.

They have a breast obsession and even made that unfunny omake where Ino and Sakura were jealous of Tsunade's breasts- uh no.

Ino's on the large size for Japanese girl already, and Sakura is normal for a Japanese girl. (Plus the animators draw Ino's breasts bigger than Kishimoto does to start with. Kishimoto draws Ino about a C cup where the animators make her a D. Women just don't want breasts larger than D, and most women not even that. B-C is what the majority of women feel is ideal. D and larger also actually do give you backaches (I can speak from my own experience here, I'm a D cup, larger than C they also annoyingly get in your way when you do yoga exercises or have to reach across to pick up something, and they cause you to have to wear a larger shirt size, etc... Women are aware of the issues with D cup breasts and larger.) Sakura is likely glad she has average not large breasts, less perverts staring at her. She's certainly "womanly enough" to have attracted recent male interest in Naruto's world- Inari calls her pretty, that nin she treated got a crush on her, and heck even Zabuza thought she was hot now.

Sakura and Ino are both obviously quite comfortable with their adult shape. Hinata is the only one that is uncomfortable with hers. I think she wishes she was built like Sakura instead- Kishimoto may have been subtly conveying that here
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lol, she obviously likes Sakura's backside. biggrin.gif I think we can safely say Sakura is prettier than Hinata, if not the prettiest. I mean, if the main character thinks so it's not important what the rest of them want to believe.

As for the bust size, must say I prefer women with an hourglass shape or slightly wider hips. Sakura falls into that category so I guess that's why I consider her among the prettiest girls in the manga.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 01:45 PM

Pfft heheelq7.png Zabusa? I think he just meant she grew alot from the last time he saw them it WAS three years since his death I don't think he has any sexual interest in women sweat.gif any way yeah Hinata is the most overrated side character I've ever seen down.gif Its Obvious as some have said here that its only her MOE like character that makes her so popular and probably and in the west I'm sure the fans only think its like that lame Twilight ( I meant the movie never read the novel) and that naruto will return her affections eventually like all other teenage romance dramas *Barf*!

Edited by Phantom_999, 27 June 2011 - 12:48 AM.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Kim @ Jun 26 2011, 04:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol, she obviously likes Sakura's backside. biggrin.gif I think we can safely say Sakura is prettier than Hinata, if not the prettiest. I mean, if the main character thinks so it's not important what the rest of them want to believe.

As for the bust size, must say I prefer women with an hourglass shape or slightly wider hips. Sakura falls into that category so I guess that's why I consider her among the prettiest girls in the manga.

I would have to agree she is the prettiest, who cares about bust size not I (fanboy mode)

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 12:36 AM

I wonder what Sakura would look like now if she grew her hair out again? a_plotting.gif hmm I think it would look good laugh.gif but that's just me tongue.gif

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 12:49 AM

Ehhh, I prefer that she doesn't grow her hair, I mean there was a flashback when she was fighting Saori?, where she was training with Tsuande, during the 2.5 year interim, and had long hair again and to me she acted all, hmmm, what's that word, one of those know-it-all snobs? Anywho, with her hair short, I find her more awesome than she should be and act more of a matured individual.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 01:33 AM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Jun 26 2011, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder what Sakura would look like now if she grew her hair out again? a_plotting.gif hmm I think it would look good laugh.gif but that's just me tongue.gif


Kishimoto has drawn Sakura's hair gradually getting longer the overt her feelings of love of Naruto has grown in part 2. She may end up having long hair again.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 02:07 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jun 26 2011, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishimoto has drawn Sakura's hair gradually getting longer the overt her feelings of love of Naruto has grown in part 2. She may end up having long hair again.


I think so too, especially if he's trying to draw a parallel to Kushina with her.

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