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[KungFuTruffle]

You hate Minato? Why? Most people love his character.

He abandoned his responsibilities as a father and a leader because he couldn't live without Kushina. He didn't die for Naruto's sake like Kushina said. He died for himself, while condemning his son to the hatred of a village full of super powered racists. And his reasoning for this amounted to little more than him saying "I can't raise a child alone, because I'm a man." It's garbage, and I hate him for it.

[Rikudo Sennin]

I loved this chapter. Already knew that Naruto was not going to be able to convince A to let him go. His way of thinking of the jins showcases the clear problem with the 1st Hokage's plan of giving all the nations their own tailed beast. His logic was sound, to balance the power of the nations. Sadly he didn't anticipate how the other nations would come to use/view the jin's as their own personalized weapon and their failure in controlling the power. I think it's clear from looking at the 1st Hokage's example that he did not use the 9tails as a weapon, it was sealed into the woman he loved the most.
I think it's becoming more clear that Naruto will either be forced to destroy the tailed beasts(which we were told is impossible to do) or he will have to become the jin of the 10-tailed beast. The nations simply cannot harness such power and there will always be someone trying to misuse that power. One possible outcome is to purify the 10-tailed beast, even RS was unable to do that.

Back to A, did anyone get the impression that he was once a believer of the Child of prophecy too? He seemed like he was hiding the hurt/dissapointment of Minato failing to become the One. I think A's only options right now are either he will die because he is unwilling to change and adapt to this new era that Naruto will bring. Or B will be able to convince him. It was pretty huge of a reveal that B is not his real brother. Makes it all the more impressive that B has turned out the way he has, he truelly faced all the hardships by himself and turned himself into a perfect jin. And even more awesome he stood up to his non-blood brother for Naruto, the same one that has just told us that he is willing to kill B were it to come to that. I really hope that B survives. Could also be seen as hinting him losing the 8tails and surviving because of Samaheda, all this talk this chapter about him not being a real person on account of being a jin.

The sequences of roadblocks set before Naruto has been numerous these last few chapters. Finding out about the war, Iruka trying to stop him and reason with him. Then it was Kyuubi telling him he's powerless to save Sasuke and stop the war. And now we have A that couldn't care less that Naruto's friends are going to die to protect him. I loved how Naruto thought of all his friends in the war.

Tsunade acted as i suspected her to and i don't think Naruto blames her for it. She said it herself, as Hokage she firmly believes and puts her faith in Naruto. As one of the leaders of the alliance she cannot, it's not simply not up to her. She did stand up when Raikage wanted to kill Naruto. By the way does anyone know what seal Naruto was performing before B stopped Raikage?

About Minato, i really don't get the hate. The man was a genius and sacrificed everything so that Naruto would have a fighting chance. He firmly believed that no one could stop Madara(including himself) outside of Naruto. Yes Naruto had a tough life but so did many others(Gaara,B,Sasuke,ect). To this day we are still finding out all the ramifications that Madara has had in making people suffer. By having Jiraiya's nindo + the power to back it up, Naruto is all set to change the world for the better.

[narutouzumaki50]

GREAT chapter

[Gravenimage]

You hate Minato? Why? Most people love his character.

Somebody likes Vin Diesel.

[Kyuudaime]

He abandoned his responsibilities as a father and a leader because he couldn't live without Kushina. He didn't die for Naruto's sake like Kushina said. He died for himself, while condemning his son to the hatred of a village full of super powered racists. And his reasoning for this amounted to little more than him saying "I can't raise a child alone, because I'm a man." It's garbage, and I hate him for it.

You made me laugh out loud.

[alexander]

He abandoned his responsibilities as a father and a leader because he couldn't live without Kushina. He didn't die for Naruto's sake like Kushina said. He died for himself, while condemning his son to the hatred of a village full of super powered racists. And his reasoning for this amounted to little more than him saying "I can't raise a child alone, because I'm a man." It's garbage, and I hate him for it.

I didn't really got the feeling he sacrificed himself because he was afraid of raising Naruto alone, but still, I also think that the reasoning he used when he sealed the fox inside of Naruto was really stupid, and at that moment I lost all my respect for his character, that shall never return. leaving his own son alone is the most cruel thing Minato could do.

[lupina]

He abandoned his responsibilities as a father and a leader because he couldn't live without Kushina. He didn't die for Naruto's sake like Kushina said. He died for himself, while condemning his son to the hatred of a village full of super powered racists. And his reasoning for this amounted to little more than him saying "I can't raise a child alone, because I'm a man." It's garbage, and I hate him for it.

Ehh ... huh?
What would be the point of dying with the Nine-Tails to hold it back for a while? He would have come back -> Same kitten than before, allthough Naruto would have NEVER grew that strong, able to defeat Madara and actually control the power wich was used to destroy everything.
Minato was only thinking of Narutos future and of course, he trusted in Jirajya's words (and he was right!).

Yes, Naruto had a very painful and lonley childhood, but this pain also made him into the man he is today.

I think what Minato did was the best thing he could do in this moment for his son and the whole world.

Edited by lupina, 02 June 2011 - 11:55 AM.

[tricksie]

He abandoned his responsibilities as a father and a leader because he couldn't live without Kushina. He didn't die for Naruto's sake like Kushina said. He died for himself, while condemning his son to the hatred of a village full of super powered racists. And his reasoning for this amounted to little more than him saying "I can't raise a child alone, because I'm a man." It's garbage, and I hate him for it.

In my book, Minato is very much the same as Itachi. They are both people who took great gambles with the lives of their most precious person. They did it for some higher good, some farther reaching purpose, that is still not fully revealed to the two boys. It's miraculous that both stayed on that course. (Well, not really miraculous, of course. It's a manga.) But both Minato and Itachi could have chosen different paths fo themselves and the child that would have been easier on both. They didn't have to abandon Naruto and Sasuke.

But I understand, in the context of the greater story, what they did and why, and how it plays out in the two boys lives — they had to have their prime caregiver removed for the story to float. Then that caregiver becomes the obstacle to overcome. yadda, yadda, yadda.

It's the rampant acceptance of Minato and especially Itachi that's awful to me. Minato I can forgive, but Itachi screwed up Sasuke's mind.... Well at least Naruto got to punch Minato in the gut.

He seems like the kind of father Kakashi would be, actually. Loving, but distant.

About this chapter, I don't remember that Jiraiya thought Minato was the child of prophesy. I thought it was only Nagato, then Naruto.

And Kumo's wellspring of information could come from the espionage they've run on Konoha over the years. What with kidnapping Kushina, then Hinata, and with the view of Bee as a ninja tool, these guys act more like true ninjas than anyone we've seen yet.

[Hokage Sennin]

Wow, this is an amazing chapter.

Further respect to Bee! I couldn't blame Raikage for thinking like that, as he lived in a headstrong environment where Might is Right. He's thinking like a real general, no holds barred. That's why he only looks at things in a strategic viewpoint, treating every element in the battlefield as weapons and potentially expendable (especially true for the fodder nins).

[RedDelicious]

Further respect to Bee! I couldn't blame Raikage for thinking like that, as he lived in a headstrong environment where Might is Right. He's thinking like a real general, no holds barred. That's why he only looks at things in a strategic viewpoint, treating every element in the battlefield as weapons and potentially expendable (especially true for the fodder nins).

Yeah, the Raikage seems to treat those around him as weapons. Which we saw way back when Bee decided to use the Taka attack as a way to sneak away for a little R&R from his brother's smothering.

Naruto not following orders is not so clear cut, good or bad. Naruto wants to break the cycle of hatred that is a deep part of the shinobi culture. Following Raikage's orders would support and perpetuate that culture.

When you say the good old days it reminds me of part 1 Naruto. When he was so funny and goofy and careless. Everyone was so much less serious (except sasuke) also sasuke was actually a lot more likeable than he is now. Aaaaah those were the days

What do you mean? Sasuke seems much more jolly now.

[No WhereMan]

He abandoned his responsibilities as a father and a leader because he couldn't live without Kushina. He didn't die for Naruto's sake like Kushina said. He died for himself, while condemning his son to the hatred of a village full of super powered racists. And his reasoning for this amounted to little more than him saying "I can't raise a child alone, because I'm a man." It's garbage, and I hate him for it.

Minato always struck me as a decent guy that had to make a tough decision in a very bad moment. And I honestly thought like some one else mentioned he took a huge gamble and it actully worked out best for everyone. I mean we know Naruto had a tough childhood, but the hardships he went through helped shaped him into the person he is today. The things that he suffered through made him sympathetic to others suffering. made him in fact a better person. He's not perfect, he makes mistakes, he loses his temper and sometimes fails at what he's attempting, but he grew into the Naruto we all grown to love. And yes, Minato's decision plays heavily into who he is. Besides it could be a lot worst, he could have turned out like Sasuke.

[Sakura Blossoms]

He abandoned his responsibilities as a father and a leader because he couldn't live without Kushina. He didn't die for Naruto's sake like Kushina said. He died for himself, while condemning his son to the hatred of a village full of super powered racists. And his reasoning for this amounted to little more than him saying "I can't raise a child alone, because I'm a man." It's garbage, and I hate him for it.

*nods* Thanks for explaining the reasoning behind your views. Everyone is completely entitled to their own views on a character/subject matter

Somebody likes Vin Diesel.

Oh, hell yes I do!

[alexander]

About Minato's decision:

Well, if he just sealed it back into Kushina, both would have died, but Kyuubi would have come back anyway, leading to Minato doing the same thing; maybe not on Naruto, but on somebody else. In fact, had he sealed the fox in someone else, it would be even more selfish as he would be using someone else's kid and condeming them to the same scrutiny Naruto was. Also, just letting Kyuubi go free would have led Madara to acquiring it again. It was a tough decision, but it worked out for everyone.

Wrong. Minato only died during the sealing because he used the forbidden techinich to seal half of the kyuubi chackra on himself, because Naruto woudn't handle all of it. But if he sealed the fox on another person later he wouldn't have died.

[Derock]

Wrong. Minato only died during the sealing because he used the forbidden techinich to seal half of the kyuubi chackra on himself, because Naruto woudn't handle all of it. But if he sealed the fox on another person later he wouldn't have died.

Uh... he was already going to die when the moment he was stabbed through the stomach by the Kyuubi's finger when reaching for baby Naruto (and a barely living Kushina who was also stabbed through the stomach as well). And don't say that the medics were around and could've save either of them.

I really don't get the hate and blaming on Minato as well. And how would sealing Kyuubi in another person will be different? It would have been much worse if he had use another victim as a jinchuuriki instead of Naruto. Not to mention they were in a very dire situation as it is.

[alexander]

Uh... he was already going to die when the moment he was stabbed through the stomach by the Kyuubi's finger when reaching for baby Naruto (and a barely living Kushina who was also stabbed through the stomach as well). And don't say that the medics were around and could've save either of them.

I really don't get the hate and blaming on Minato as well. And how would sealing Kyuubi in another person will be different? It would have been much worse if he had use another victim as a jinchuuriki instead of Naruto. Not to mention they were in a very dire situation as it is.

Minato was actually dead when he used the forbidden sealing technique, wich he did BEFORE being stabed, this don't change his decision.
You might not understand, but there are just things that you can't do man, principally to your own son. Parents are suposed to make sacrifices so their kids can have an happy future, but Naruto future wasn't happy at all. Say derock, would you be willing to put your own children into a future of misery like Minato did to Naruto? If it were me, I wouldn't, they had options, but they didn't used it.

[No WhereMan]

Really, under those circumstances, would could he have done differently?

Lured the Kyuubi away with promises of punch and pie! ^^

[pharix]

Minato was actually dead when he used the forbidden sealing technique, wich he did BEFORE being stabed, this don't change his decision.
You might not understand, but there are just things that you can't do man, principally to your own son. Parents are suposed to make sacrifices so their kids can have an happy future, but Naruto future wasn't happy at all. Say derock, would you be willing to put your own children into a future of misery like Minato did to Naruto? If it were me, I wouldn't, they had options, but they didn't used it.

he may be Naruto's father but he's also the Hokage, it was either seal it in Naruto or risk more people dying fighting the Kyuubi when it comes back

[al0eaz]

Dont you see the trend? Obviously this story has a militaristic mind set at this point. So let the Marine school you up.

When in war things have to be done that are not politically correct nor necessarily a civilians definition of "Morally" correct. If I was in minato's place I would have done the same thing. It comes down to protecting everyone. It was let naruto be normal and risk having the 9 tails kill everyone or seal it inside Naruto and saving everyone. I've made hard decisions that (probably) None of you will ever have to make.

If you dont see the trend it is this: Decisions are made for the better of a whole group of people. 1 Person makes self sacrifice in a world where no one else is willing to do it.

I've made choices that no one else was willing to make. I didnt know how things would turn out but I gave up my personal feelings, comforts and peace of mind in order to preserve the lives of more then 1 Marine, more then once. The leaders in this war (Naruto's war) are doing the same thing. They are making tough decisions in a situation that requires immediate action.

Its probably hard for you guys to understand. You have probably not seen war nor felt the pain of it. The pain of watching a friend die in front of you or in your own arms is sharp and fast. Topics like these are hard to explain. So if ya'll have any questions feel free to PM me and I can answer them the best I know how.