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[Insurrection]

Yeah, except in this case you're discussing something that currently does not exist. If I pop in Gears of War, I don't pretend I'm playing Final Fantasy.

It's actually more like finding something in Gears of War that's like a useless achievement that sidetracks you from the horde.

Edited by Insurrection, 06 August 2010 - 01:25 AM.

[Zin]

Yeah, except in this case you're discussing something that currently does not exist. If I pop in Gears of War, I don't pretend I'm playing Final Fantasy.

If I popped in Gears of War I'd be pretending I was playing Final Fantasy...Then again I never could understand why the game has so much hype.

Eh ? If you honestly think there's nothing there for pairings why join a pairing website...? And I happen to think there is something there...or is all that just "coincidence" ? One or two things ? Fine, ok. The amount of things suggesting NaruSaku ? ....Not a chance.

[ciardha]

I don't particularly disagree here. But as a whole in regards to all of the hints and such as to NaruSaku I don't consider it much of a point. There are other instances that showed Naruto's opinion more clearly than that.

Oh sure, but it does put to rest (for those not in denial) that Naruto thought she was lying about her feelings for him. I know some people insist on arguing that point when Naruto said no such thing about her feelings for himself, and Kishimoto point blank said she was telling the truth about her feelings for Naruto. Kishimoto's visual clarification for readers since some readers misunderstood. So it has a definite value. He's also setting up for something overt between the two of them- his usual pattern with narusaku development: parallels, subtle symbolism, then an overt event.

[TheBugNinja]

I felt like being the contrarian. It seemed like someone had to point out the irony in a thread on chapter 505 where we're bummed out that Naruto didn't mention his feelings for Sakura in a chapter perfectly set up for him to do so, when 10 years ago Naruto was obsessed with her every other page. 5-6 years ago people were waiting for Sakura to show interest in Naruto, and since Sasuke left Konoha, it's like the NaruSaku pairing has gone backwards.

Also, this is not and was never a rant. I was asking a logical question that I thought people had overlooked. The whole "why are you here" line of questioning is very silly, since I haven't stated that I'm against the pairing at all. I'm just calling a spade a spade.

Edited by TheBugNinja, 05 August 2010 - 07:41 AM.

[Zin]

Oh sure, but it does put to rest (for those not in denial) that Naruto thought she was lying about her feelings for him. I know some people insist on arguing that point when Naruto said no such thing about her feelings for himself, and Kishimoto point blank said she was telling the truth about her feelings for Naruto. Kishimoto's visual clarification for readers since some readers misunderstood. So it has a definite value. He's also setting up for something overt between the two of them- his usual pattern with narusaku development: parallels, subtle symbolism, then an overt event.

Most of the readers that thought Sakura was lying will always think that and something as subtle as a picture isn't even going to dent their stubbornness.(to be honest I don't think a kiss, a marriage, a hentai scene, and a child would convince them otherwise though so...)

I hope something overt does happen but...*shrug* We'll see. I'm a hardcore pessimist. I guess I should've mentioned that...I always expect the worst...

[TheBugNinja]

As far as Sakura's conflicting emotions, you could take that to mean whatever you wanted to, in any direction. The series has never been very specific as to what her true feelings are. Even when she comes out and confesses her feelings, we find out in the very next chapter she's lying.

I didn't think he had to mention it. It wasn't the point of what was currently taking place.

Really? The fact he went back and followed his mother's guidance, word for word, until the last part about "pick a girl like your mother," where he mysteriously skipped over, wasn't relevant? That wasn't something everybody here figured he'd get to in this chapter?

Unless Kishi has plans to follow up and address that part of his mother's advice in a separate flashback later on, that was the mother of all cop-outs.

Edited by TheBugNinja, 05 August 2010 - 08:05 AM.

[Zin]

Because you didn't like the question does not make it trolling.

This is degenerating into nothing more than a shouting match lets just drop it...

[Insurrection]

Because you didn't like the question does not make it trolling.

As far as Sakura's conflicting emotions, you could take that to mean whatever you wanted to, in any direction. The series has never been very specific as to what her true feelings are. Even when she comes out and confesses her feelings, we find out in the very next chapter she's lying.

Okay look I'm sorry, to me it was the way you said it, I thought you were trolling. Because you opened with: Why does anybody even pay attention to the romantic pairings anymore? Exactly what since the very early chapters of part 1 has led anybody to believe any of these ninjas are seriously interested in each other?

It's gotten really, really bad when we're waiting for Naruto to give us an indication that he's in love with Sakura-the girl he was hopelessly crushing on in chapter three. This is how much Kishi has sucked any and all romance out of this story. Can anybody else imagine eleven years after this series started that people would be pining for Naruto to give some indication that he loves Sakura, of all people? Talk about regression.

This part I have issue with. The start of Shippuden he immediately goes back to part 1 Naruto asking for a date. Then there was Sai's flashback, Naruto won't give anyy indication because he hasn't let himself.

It'll be revealed in the end, Kishi just has hints. I think he's advanced it, especially with Kushina. It's slow building, he thinks the overall story is important than pairings. But yeah, he left it out, he'll bring it up at a more appropriate time. People get mad at different things per chapter. It's a rollercoaster. He could cop out today, but what if say after the Kisame fight it's there again. Look I think he did leave it out for later, but to me the ultimate cop out would be to not let it be Sakura after everything Kushina spoke about in the chapter on how she viewed Minato.

I thought it was self-explanitory, why did he leave it out? Pairing wank or his own choice, I don't know why, I just read the thing.

Other than that, I think I'm done, nothing more to say.

Back to Shark Week!!!

Edited by Insurrection, 06 August 2010 - 01:30 AM.

[Quinny52]

Looks like the last few pages have got Boss man Smiter's attention, let's not let this degenerate any further, 'kay?

Getting back on topic, anyone betting that by the time the smoke and rubble clear, Kisame will appear fully fused with Samehada?

[Sherry]

aww I just read the chapter and it's so awesome!

when I read the cover page and it was Guy, I was like

and still my second reaction: where's the girlfriend part Kishiiiii

but when I see that pretty Sakura's face, drawn right beside Naruto, I feel a bit relieved OK that's fine Kishi

now Naruto has turned to the god of life and...emotions detector? I wonder if he could detect love...

[Black Rose]

It loaded in a sec. for me. Well, anyway.

Vey interesting chapter~ I loved it! Among Naruto's friends Sakura was in first place. Kinda NS, isn't it? And, yesh! Naruto is a badass!!! XD I like the fact that he can recongize feelings and presence of others even when they are undectable. Hope he is gonna realize Saku's feelings towards him =D Gai is funny and awesum as always~ FULL OF ENERG-EY!!

[naruto-z]

I wouldn't be surprised if naruto flying thunder god his way back to konoha with Bee.....don't know what event will lead him to doing this, but it'd be superb if he did. Perhaps Guy fights sharkman over there and he reveals the war. Then the two just make their way back.

[dokueki(venom)]

I just finish reading some commits and Damn! Is it going to be like this every week? I wanna see the village again and see how things are going with this war especially since they are planning to keep Naruto there but looks like plans have change so we might see Naruto head back in the next few chapters. Hopefully. This is the Fourth Shinobi War arc right?

[Quinny52]

Actually, the jutsu Naruto used was the 'shunshun no jutsu', AKA the body-flicker technique. It's listed as a D-rank jutsu, most academy student-genin level ninja can use it (Shisui Uchiha was feared for his skill with it), but Bee was just explaining that Naruto's version while he had his jinchuuriki cloak on was so fast and sudden that it could be compared to his Father's speed and reflexes. It wasn't as fast as the 'Hiraishin' (which is more or less instantaneus), but the speed of Naruto's attack was enough for Kisame to mention it.

Also, not sure if anyone's brought this up yet, but did anyone notice that Naruto called Jiraiya with the suffix 'sensei', rather than 'ero sennin'?

EDIT:^ That's right. This is number 4.

Edited by Quinny52, 05 August 2010 - 03:19 PM.

[Nee-sama]

As far as Sakura's conflicting emotions, you could take that to mean whatever you wanted to, in any direction. The series has never been very specific as to what her true feelings are. Even when she comes out and confesses her feelings, we find out in the very next chapter she's lying.



Really? The fact he went back and followed his mother's guidance, word for word, until the last part about "pick a girl like your mother," where he mysteriously skipped over, wasn't relevant? That wasn't something everybody here figured he'd get to in this chapter?

Unless Kishi has plans to follow up and address that part of his mother's advice in a separate flashback later on, that was the mother of all cop-outs.

I think Naruto is just focused on reaching his goals right now. He's got priorities and getting Sakura is last on the list, as she should be. All I'm sayin is the man's got stuff to do. Getting close to Sakura right now, in the middle of a war, would be like breaking the shinobi vice: "women."
Plus, he's probably a bit upset with Sakura right now because she tried to interfere with his intentions for Sasuke.
Of course, we the audience, wish he hadn't skipped over that part. I believe Kishi will eventually provide us with a romantic scene that will be worth the waiting.

[naruto-z]

Actually, the jutsu Naruto used was the 'shunshun no jutsu', AKA the body-flicker technique. It's listed as a D-rank jutsu, most academy student-genin level ninja can use it (Shisui Uchiha was feared for his skill with it), but Bee was just explaining that Naruto's version while he had his jinchuuriki cloak on was so fast and sudden that it could be compared to his Father's speed and reflexes. It wasn't as fast as the 'Hiraishin' (which is more or less instantaneus), but the speed of Naruto's attack was enough for Kisame to mention it.

Also, not sure if anyone's brought this up yet, but did anyone notice that Naruto called Jiraiya with the suffix 'sensei', rather than 'ero sennin'?

EDIT:^ That's right. This is number 4.

No i'm pretty sure that was Flying thunder god. There would be no other reason for Bee to say" all I could see was a yellow flash" if Kishi wasn't trying to say that Naruto was using that specific jutsu. Plus Bee also specifically states it as being a teleport jutsu. I don't doubt that it was indeed the flying thunder god.

[harry4e]

Even if you don't look at romantic implications, the fact that Shikamaru and Sakura were on either side of him, shows they are his second and third in command, his two most trusted ally's and that's something I don't think anyone can argue about. The fact Kishi showed Shikamaru on the other side of him away from the rest is a very good indication of that.

As for the Chakra, I'm still going to stand by the possability that maybe just like how the Fourth Hokage sealed away part of himself and his wife within the seal, the Sage had sealed away his Chakra within the ninth Bijuu because if he was a Sage it's likely he had access to powerful seers who forsaw the upcoming war and was told of someone i.e. Naruto needing his power to fulfill his dream of peace.

Actually, the jutsu Naruto used was the 'shunshun no jutsu', AKA the body-flicker technique. It's listed as a D-rank jutsu, most academy student-genin level ninja can use it (Shisui Uchiha was feared for his skill with it), but Bee was just explaining that Naruto's version while he had his jinchuuriki cloak on was so fast and sudden that it could be compared to his Father's speed and reflexes. It wasn't as fast as the 'Hiraishin' (which is more or less instantaneus), but the speed of Naruto's attack was enough for Kisame to mention it.

Also, not sure if anyone's brought this up yet, but did anyone notice that Naruto called Jiraiya with the suffix 'sensei', rather than 'ero sennin'?

EDIT:^ That's right. This is number 4.

I don't think it was, the regular Shushin is a transportation Jutsu, and no way near that fast, if it was the Thunder God Technique wouldn't be that big of a deal, Naruto was either that fast when using the Kyuubi's Chakra, or it's the completed form of his father's Jutsu, I've always believed like the Rasengan the Thunder God Technique was incomplete and was always meant to be used without the special Kunai, but to be able to do it without a Kunai as a focal point required much more chakra than the fourth had and that's why Naruto needs the power of the Kyuubi to complete it. But that's just my theory.

Edited by harry4e, 05 August 2010 - 05:24 PM.

[Chivalrysae]

Some passing thoughts as I read the chapter.

1. I'm not really digging the sage of the 6th paths look if thta's how he's going to look in his future battles
2. Now that the Kyuubi is completely suppress, will he be able to merge with pa and ma toad to retain sage mode without the use of clones?
3. Would Naturo be able to merge natural, Kyuubi, and his own chakra together as part of his future training
4. Will he get his father's weapons that were used with the FTG technique
5. When will Sakura be brought back into the mix
6. And finally, if Guy fights Kisame then will Naruto get to use/practice his newfound abilities in the near future? I'm all for Guy getting a little Springtime of Youth action, but I'm hoping for Naruto to unleash some fury on someone.

[Zin]

As far as Sakura's conflicting emotions, you could take that to mean whatever you wanted to, in any direction. The series has never been very specific as to what her true feelings are. Even when she comes out and confesses her feelings, we find out in the very next chapter she's lying.



Really? The fact he went back and followed his mother's guidance, word for word, until the last part about "pick a girl like your mother," where he mysteriously skipped over, wasn't relevant? That wasn't something everybody here figured he'd get to in this chapter?

Unless Kishi has plans to follow up and address that part of his mother's advice in a separate flashback later on, that was the mother of all cop-outs.

I have to agree with you on that last part...I think it was a complete cop out. If he didn't want to address it he simply shouldn't have addressed the other advice his mother gave him either. Like I said earlier, it makes his writing seem disjointed...

[Quinny52]

At naruto-z & harry4e

Bee said that because Naruto's speed was such that all Bee managed to see was a flash of yellow (his hair). Kishimoto used the phrase to point out that Naruto moved at a speed that rivaled his father (don't forget, Minato was fast even without using FTG).

But the technique itself wasn't FTG, which works through use of a special seal (the seal is vital for the jutsu to work, chakra isn't the real issue here). The only known ways of using FTG in combat is to throw an object marked with the seal (e.g. a kunai) in the opponent's general direction, or by directly applying the seal to the opponent's body, which requires physical contact first. Naruto did neither of these when he attacked Kisame.

As for the translation, yes it is translated as 'teleportation', but the Official US Shonen Jump also translates 'shunshun' (body flicker) as 'teleportation'. The raw spoiler even said that Bee called the technique the 'shunshun no jutsu'. If it was the FTG, then it would been addressed as such, since it is translated in USSJ as 'Flying Thunder God Jutsu', but neither that nor the literal japanese translation 'Hiraishin' were ever mentioned in this chapter. All that happened here was that Mangastream translated 'shunshun' the same way USSJ does, as 'teleportation jutsu'.

I can understand that it's easy to confuse the two techs since they serve similar purposes, but the method of execution is different. One uses chakra to temporarily vitalise the body and increases the user's speed and reflexes to extreme levels, the other manipulates space and time through use of a seal to send the user to a designated location. In short, one makes it APPEAR LIKE the user has teleported, the other ACTUALLY DOES teleport the user.

Now as for whether FTG can be improved, well that's up to Kishi. We all know Naruto will eventually learn the jutsu and may indeed perfect it someday, but the jutsu he used against Kisame was not it, it was the body flicker.

From Naruto's bio in Narutopedia

...When Kisame attempted to escape after telling Bee how he survived their last encounter before, Naruto punched him into the wall with the Body Flicker Technique. However, Kisame was able to retreat as Naruto's foot got stuck in the wall, leading Yamato to add that Naruto wasn't at Minato's level yet.

Personally I think that, rather than trying to improve it, Naruto will find more innovative ways to utilise it in all situations where it could be used. (oww, now my fingers ache...)

Edited by Quinny52, 05 August 2010 - 06:46 PM.