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#81 Serenity Namikaze

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:45 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jul 22 2010, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love the chapter too and the Minato confession to Kushina no need to say I love you I think something like that will happen with Naruto confessing to Sakura. I just hate that it made me cry so much. shamefulcry0js.gif


Yeah, I agree. I don't see Naruto say I love you to Sakura ( OK, if that happen, I'll be wow.gif then omfg.gif and then w00t.gif party.gif ) then again, with Kushina saying that she love him and after hearing everything else, maybe Naruto will surprise us ( after all, he didn't won the 'most surprising ninga' title for nothing fu.png )

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:02 PM

Haha! After hearing his mommy's story he should! wow.png (LOL, I mean he's getting no where's in his love life and Kushina said herself, if you got love even the Nine-Tails host can be happy! -^^-)

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:09 PM

QUOTE (ShippudenGirl @ Jul 22 2010, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha! After hearing his mommy's story he should! wow.png (LOL, I mean he's getting no where's in his love life and Kushina said herself, if you got love even the Nine-Tails host can be happy! -^^-)


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Posted 23 July 2010 - 12:45 AM

I agree with those who have stated that Minato made the best tactical decision at the time. Looking further into the situation, I believe there are some unknown circumstances that further contributed to his choice.

How much chakra does Minato's space/time ninjutsu use?
While he did wound Madara, Minato might not have been able to defeat him if the fight had continued. It took extraordinary precision to get in one good blow. Plus, continuously using a space/time jutsu must use massive amounts of chakra. Could he have defeated Madara if the battle drew on? And if he couldn't, then who could?

How strong is Madara?
Madara only withdrew once he had lost control of the ninetails, the ultimate goal out of his immediate reach. Therefore, Madara may have much more impressive abilities up his sleeve that we have not yet seen. Afterall, he teleports as if it is second nature with no hand signs or seals. Most ninja have a final ace-in-the-hole jutsu, why would the main villain be any different?

The only answer that occured to Minato may have been to seal the fox in Naruto, thus providing an Uzamaki able learn his advanced jutsus massive chakra reserves to finish and perfect them.

What would become of the villiage if the ninetails were tp regenerate?
Minato witnessed war first hand. Even if he were alive Konoha would be under constant attack it was discovered that they no longer possessed the ninetails. Would Minato really want the villiage thrown back into turmoil after fighting so hard and sacrificing so much for peace?

Perhaps Minato chose the greater good of the villiage over his son. He gave the villiage a future savior, but ruined the beginning of his son's life in the process. The third not telling more villiagers the identity of Naruto's did not help matters.

I think the most import thing being overlooked here is what might have happened if Naruto did not receive the fox and Minato had lived.

Without the love of his life, would Minato have ever been the same? He would not have granted his wife's dying wish, even though he had the ability to do so. This could have changed him and made him a lesser father to Naruto.

How would Naruto have progressed, being the son of the hokage? Would Naruto have worked as hard? Would he have overcome the obstacles and struggles that ultimately made him as strong as he is now? Would he be as steadfast in protecting those he cares for? Would he understand that, with hardwork patience and time, the hearts and minds of people can be swayed? Would he be as willing to sacrifice everything to defeat the man who caused only his mother's death?

While it sucked for him, Naruto has taken all of his negative experiences and turned them into astounding victories. He has become his own man, not relying on the legacy of the 4th to get him by. He has earned the respect he is now given and will ultimately succeed in all of his goals as a result.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:02 AM

Excellent Chapter. Too bad it made me cry and it hurt my head from the information I have gained. I would also like to pay my respects and say goodbye to onemanga.com. Thank you. It was because of you that I started reading Naruto. You will be missed sosad.gif

On another note: I wonder where those Uchiha have gone to. One would expect them to be there, trying to control the fox. Hmm.....maybe they were kidnapped?
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:04 AM

I was really surprised/disappointed the epic battle with Madara wrapped up in one chapter.

Flashback or no, I was expecting a more drawn-out fight.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:05 AM

Just checked for myself to see if it was true what Faexy said and it is, Onemanga is shutting down. That's not good for anyone. If onemanga goes down, how long before Mangastream goes and then we're in a blackout period of months. Which is not good.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:05 AM

QUOTE (alexander @ Jul 22 2010, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think we just founded a big a** plot hole guys, just think about it, in the begining of the series the fox said to Naruto that he couldn't allow him to die, otherwise, he would die as well, and now, Minato state that the kyuubi will only be stopped for a few time if he is inside of Kushina when she dies. I think Kishimoto have a big continuity error here.


It is possible at that point, with the Kyuubi still having its power completely intact, could still revive (or reincarnate, regenerate, etc.) while still being sealed within Kushina when she dies.

Having only half its chakra sealed within Naruto may completely negate the ability to revive as we know it. Or perhaps, the Kyuubi just doesn't want to take the chance under its present circumstances.


QUOTE (Evil Potato @ Jul 22 2010, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For such an awesome chapter a lot of people really seem to hate it. This is everything and more than I thought it would be, Minato is a better ninja than I thought, Madara, for all his strength and cunning was beat within seconds, and the kyuubi has been dragged around here there by Minato to protect the village. On top of all the epic fighting we see some of the other characters story's for that night, and what happened to their families.

I know it sucks that Naruto had a bad childhood, but it seems like the only decision that made a future in the shinobi world possible. Naruto has the power of the kyuubi, the Uchihas can't reach it yet, plus hes the child of destiny, it all worked out.

Its a shame how some of you really just crapped all over Naruto's flashback that we waited sooo freakin long to see, none of it has disappointed me, this is much better than expected.


If my post in particular gave the impression that I didn't like the chapter then allow me to clarify. I did enjoy the chapter overall - especially seeing someone finally get the upper hand on Madara in battle. The way the events panned out are essentially what I expected. I thought it was a nice touch to see a bit of Iruka's story, along with a bit of Kakashi's generation.

Then there was the revelation that sealing the Kyuubi into Naruto was not the only viable option. While it is easy for most to sit back and think that Minato made the "right" decision for the sake of the shinobi world, it still doesn't change the fact that it robbed Naruto of a father and unknowingly condemned him to a childhood of loneliness. I bear Minato no malice but instead my sympathies for Naruto have grown in light of the revelation.

Let's look at it from Kushina's perspective. She basically knew three main facts: she was dying, the Kyuubi was loose, and there was a masked man that was out to control the Kyuubi. She wanted to ensure that her family was safe and intended to use the last of her strength to take the Kyuubi with her. She could take comfort in the fact that her son would live and that her husband would be there for him. Then Minato tells her that the guy in the mask is the harbringer of doom and their son is prophesied to be the savior of the world. Wait...what? Then she clues in to the fact that Naruto needs to become a jinchuuriki and that his father must also die. Kushina hardly even gets to voice her opinion on the matter before Minato begins the sealing sequence.

Kushina had very little context to justify Minato's plan and while she probably implicitly trusts her husband, there had to be doubt going through her mind. Her husband was about to sacrifice himself and her little boy was about become an orphan and a jinchuuriki. Subjectively speaking, how could that have been the only way?

Of course, Naruto is the child of prophecy (or at least one of the two counting Nagato) and there could have been no other way for it to pan out. Right? I do think the strategic implications of Minato's choice were impressive and I respect the amount of courage it would take to go through with a plan like that. It was clearly shown that Minato was not heartless and was under quite a bit of emotional distress. However, I found that Kishi's flashback insertion of Jiraiya's conversation regarding the child of prochecy a bit contrived. Almost as if he put in there to "sell" the whole thing to the reader. It just did not flow well for me. One moment Minato is giving valid, tangible reasons for his plan. The next he concludes that Naruto will be the child of prophecy by sealing the Kyuubi within him while thinking back to a conversation with Jiraiya - in which the context was whether or not Minato was the aforementioned child.

That was quite the leap of faith to conclude that Naruto would be the one to stop Madara. In the chapter, Minato stated that he came to two conclusions that night: Madara was a bad, bad man; and Naruto would be his downfall. My critique is that Kishi could have improved on that sequence to give the reader a better sense of how Minato came to the latter conclusion aside from thinking back to a four line conversation.

Ultimately, Minato's faith in Naruto was not misplaced and this chapter makes his words of faith to Naruto in chapter 440 all the more sentimental. It was one thing to burden a child with being a jinchuuriki. It's a completely different thing to place the fate of the world on that same child.

I think the one silver lining from that night was that Minato gave Naruto an opportunity to meet his mother. Kushina seemed like such a sweetheart and it was apparent she would have been a great mother to Naruto. One thing is for sure, I sincerely look forward to Naruto finishing the battle that Minato started with Madara.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:31 AM

Ahh man! If MangaStream goes down then we'll have no way of seeing the Naruto manga! We're going to go crazy! zomg.gif

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:42 AM

QUOTE (Toasty Warrior @ Jul 22 2010, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ahh man! If MangaStream goes down then we'll have no way of seeing the Naruto manga! We're going to go crazy! zomg.gif


You can talk all about it at the one manga is done for thread. happy.gif
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:00 AM

To me, when I first heard Madara's name (back during the Sasuke reunion), I predicted he was the final villain. And it was confirmed, many chapters later. Now replying to Iwant2bnaruto's post, saying from Minato's POV before his and Kushina's sacrificial moment that Naruto is the only person to fight and defeat Madara because he's the destined child and Madara is the cause of disaster of the entire ninja world. While it may sound cliche and highly expected, it's certainly going to be true. But its the how he's going to do it is the point of the predicted battle, which Kishimoto eventually going to draw and write about. Basically, its his way of saying to readers that "Okay, Madara is the MAIN villain, Naruto MUST stop him for the story to end." And we have to see how Naruto V. Sasuke Round 2 comes out. (And I highly doubt that's the last battle of the series, unless Kishimoto is trying his best to extend for a 3rd round.)

But let's go to the point about why Kushina didn't have a say in the matter, the moment Minato executed the Death Demon Seal. Well, there was doubt in her mind, (The last couple of pages shows Kushina trying to ask why he's doing this) but then the way and how Minato spoke of his plan was an unselfish way of protecting Naruto and Konoha village that eventually comes with a price, hence the tragic moment of that time, which we'll going to see next week.

Now the other point that I don't understand: why people hate this chapter. Does people always want ACTION, ACTION, ACTION, fight scenes? I think this is why many manga/anime lovers prefer Dragon Ball or One Piece or Bleach because it has many fights scenes and show basic and less dramatic/problematic issues but when it comes to Naruto, everyone doesn't like the dramatic and/or development scenes because its either long or too hard to understand, but then when Kishimoto makes a fight scene, everyone go head over heels to see what's happening.

I mean seriously, this is why I had Reading Comprehension and Interpretation/Inferences in elementary school. To understand what and how the author tells his/her story.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:11 AM

I think the hatred from this chapter is because of Minato's actions really; basically sacrificing himself when there WAS another option. It seems kind of selfish for Minato to join his wife in death and condemning Naruto to a life of loneliness. However, Minato himself probably didn't realize that the villagers would've treated Naruto as an outsider and 'demon' and not the hero Minato wished Naruto to be....

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:14 AM

I don't get why the fox had to be broken up in two when it was whole inside of kushina... Anyone got an explanation?
Also disappointed with Madara v Minato/Minato v Fox... While the interaction between Kushina and Minato was nice, other than that I really didn't like this chapter. Good writing though- props to Kishimoto!


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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:21 AM

QUOTE (Kai?-Ken @ Jul 23 2010, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't get why the fox had to be broken up in two when it was whole inside of kushina... Anyone got an explanation?
Also disappointed with Madara v Minato/Minato v Fox... While the interaction between Kushina and Minato was nice, other than that I really didn't like this chapter. Good writing though- props to Kishimoto!

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:22 AM

I just going to add some fire here fu.png

This strip pretty much resume the chapter: http://browse.devian...parody#/d2ul9jr

I gotta agree with the guy who made this that Kishimoto is a sexist, man I wonder what his wife says when she reads the manga rolleyes.gif

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:44 AM

QUOTE (alexander @ Jul 22 2010, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just going to add some fire here fu.png

This strip pretty much resume the chapter: http://browse.devian...parody#/d2ul9jr

I gotta agree with the guy who made this that Kishimoto is a sexist, man I wonder what his wife says when she reads the manga rolleyes.gif


Let's not add more fuel into the fire. dry.gif

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:31 AM

I just don't think I can see where the rest of you are coming from, I guess. I come from a broken family, caused by my father running out on us, so I just can't forgive Minato for the selfish decision he made. It just hits too close to home for me.

The thing that bugs me more than anything, even Minato's choice, is the continued "Child of Prophecy" crap. It came out of nowhere during Jiraiya's fight with Pain, and has been gaining an annoying stranglehold on the plot ever since.

... And I know he's just a bit character, and is dead now, but I really hate Kurenai's dad. Sexist jackass.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:34 AM

QUOTE (Kai?-Ken @ Jul 22 2010, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't get why the fox had to be broken up in two when it was whole inside of kushina... Anyone got an explanation?
Also disappointed with Madara v Minato/Minato v Fox... While the interaction between Kushina and Minato was nice, other than that I really didn't like this chapter. Good writing though- props to Kishimoto!


It's because only the Uzumaki's like Kushina, have a special chakra as seen in the chapter, that can only seal the Kyuubi as whole.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:31 AM

Im sorry but how is kurenais dad a sexist jack@ss?

how does a fathers wanting his daughter to be safe a bad thing? and even more so doesnt every father wish for their child to live long and be safe? He tells her to live for the future and be safe and given that they just got out of a world wide ninja war its not completely out of question to want her safe and to want his families legacy to continue.

damn guess my dad was a sexist jack@ss for wanting my sister to be safe and to give him a grandchild then rolleyes.gif
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 05:01 AM

I always thought that was just old school? Or just a parental sterotype, maybe I just watch too much futurama tonight I don't know. I personally saw the whole Kurenai dad thing corny.




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