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[Arachnia]

problem is not that hinata not carring but the problem is she not knowing him :S only the image of what he stands for i mean on panel how many times have they seen each other in manga and anime its kinda wierd you know.
and now kishi is forcing it on the last 1-1.5 years lame.

the way i see it now naruto will end kinda standard (NH SS) boring!

[narusaku4ver]

But James this is what you are failing to see, Chatte is accepting that both girls feelings are shallow, but in some ways Sakura feelings haves a little more basis, Sakura try to know Sasuke behind the perfect image she had of him, she find out about the massacre and she try to say something about contrary with Hinata she doesn't care about Naruto in a personal level or his problems.

Something else we could say about Sasuke and Sakura is that Sasuke admit that he thought he could start a new life with them and live like a family but in the end he chose revenge since he cannot keep pretending that everything is fine when Itachi is out there.

So yes both girls fall in love with the idea of their crush but the angst between Sakura and Sasuke kind of change that view a little and give Sakura a stronger basis, otherwise the Author would of never call Hinata feelings admiration while calling Sakura and Karin feelings love.

We can admit that Sasuke himself destroyed but pairings but you cannot deny what was there before, maybe not love from Sasuke side but there was a bond and friendship. With NH Neji needed to die for Naruto to really notice Hinata, that in itself is terrible.

And there's more, Sasuke never acknowledged Sakura as someome important to him, and Sakura despite trying she didnt get over with the image, she never lose anything important or had a development to understand Sasuke, and neither Hinata had this type of development to understand Naruto, i only see Sakura witnessing Naruto's pain on different forms, jinchuuriki, Sasuke's burden and more.

When Sakura thought about Sasuke it was the mental image of him on part 1 and the last part when she thought about him was of him on part 2.

And plus Sakura feelings and Hinata's are shallow and the little basis does not make any sense because they never thought about Sasuke loving them back, just offering themselves, Sakura tried to do that two times and the reason why Naruto rejected her is because he wanted it to be mutual and genuine, and what makes Naruto's love different than all the other's is because i never see Sakura saying "i want Sasuke-kun to love me" both the girls are just trying to force themselves into Naruto/Sasuke, they dont care if they love them or not.
But Naruto does care, he cares if Sakura really loves him.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

And there's more, Sasuke never acknowledged Sakura as someome important to him, and Sakura despite trying she didnt get over with the image, she never lose anything important or had a development to understand Sasuke, and neither Hinata had this type of development to understand Naruto, i only see Sakura witnessing Naruto's pain on different forms, jinchuuriki, Sasuke's burden and more.

When Sakura thought about Sasuke it was the mental image of him on part 1 and the last part when she thought about him was of him on part 2.

And plus Sakura feelings and Hinata's are shallow and the little basis does not make any sense because they never thought about Sasuke loving them back, just offering themselves, Sakura tried to do that two times and the reason why Naruto rejected her is because he wanted it to be mutual and genuine, and what makes Naruto's love different than all the other's is because i never see Sakura saying "i want Sasuke-kun to love me" both the girls are just trying to force themselves into Naruto/Sasuke, they dont care if they love them or not.
But Naruto does care, he cares if Sakura really loves him.

I disagree somewhat. I'm sure Sakura really wanted Sasuke to love her, just as Naruto does with her. She cared. The difference between them is that Sakura was willing to constantly force her feelings on him to get the "Sasuke-kun must love me" goal. It was her top priority and it didn't matter to her if he found it annoying or didn't feel the same, she'd still try that way. Naruto, though he was once like that himself, is a different case entirely. Unlike Sakura, Naruto isn't always flirting with her or asking her out on dates. He keeps his feelings for her controlled, so he can hang out with her and not have her feel uncomfortable over it. IHO Sakura doesn't love him and forcing his feelings constantly like that would be selfish and unfair. That's how I see this sudden lack of date requests from him (the ones he did ask always come off as unbelievable flippant and childish, even crush-like), compared to Part 1.

This is why Sakura was rarely alone together with Sasuke outside of missions. She never tried to actually be a normal friend and not have her affections present. It was because of this I'm sure he found it unbearable and annoying to really hang out with her. Naruto acts naturally with her and keeps his feelings locked inside. That's probably why Sakura never realized he loved her as much as he actually did until later.

Hinata's love has basis, just not logical basis. Like you can't look at her panel time with him and her reasons and say "Wow! It makes total sense she loves him!" Case in point, looking at the manga version, it doesn't. She doesn't truly know him nor actually tried to, all she knows is that he works hard and his nindo is to never give up, which she admires him for. She also seems like she's now forcing her feelings on Naruto post-573, her confidence beginning to replace some of her shyness. Like I said, both Hinata and Sakura's love for Naruto & Sasuke are selfish loves. Sakura doesn't know the "inner Sasuke" and Hinata doesn't know the "inner Naruto". What they fell in love with is the exterior both of them display to the world.

Naruto fell in love with Sakura the person, not Sakura the image. He actually knows her, sees her flaws and pains yet still came to genuinely fall in love with her. Her feelings for Naruto aren't any different either.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 08 February 2013 - 02:51 AM.

[AzureWaters]

contrary with Hinata she doesn't care about Naruto in a personal level or his problems.

Not sure how you can make this statement after 615. Naruto almost being persuaded because of the grief over neji's death was a pretty significant personal issue/problem. I have a few qualms with Hinata, but I couldn't say that her feelings are shallow. She's focused on him constantly, but she does try to support him when she can. Naturally she isn't going to be very involved with the Sasuke issue, but she's shown concern outside of that.

otherwise the Author would of never call Hinata feelings admiration while calling Sakura and Karin feelings love.

This was in the third databook. Later on with her confession Kishi clarifies it as love. This being beside the point that Hinata had a very obvious crush on Naruto- clearly the nature wasn't just admiration.


I apologize if its seems I'm arguing for NaruHina- I'm not, but only pointing out the obvious things.

Edited by AzureWaters, 08 February 2013 - 03:21 AM.

[kirabook]

I don't think we've ever seen her care about his dreams or his desires. Sure, she cares when his nindo is being threatened because his nindo is her nindo. She also also cares about his life I guess.

But right now, the most important thing in his life is Sasuke. We've never seen her try to help him reach Sasuke, nor does she seem to care about his suffering because of Sasuke.

We've never seen her support his dreams to be Hokage or defend his claims when he stated it, not even in part 1 if I recall. (She didn't seem to care about his lonely existence either, even though she watched him suffer along and knew about it, she did nothing to help him and kept her distance)

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's fairly clear to me that Hinata does not care about Naruto's problems. She cares about him being alive and keeping his nindo. That's about it.

[AzureWaters]

I don't think we've ever seen her care about his dreams or his desires. Sure, she cares when his nindo is being threatened because his nindo is her nindo. She also also cares about his life I guess.

But right now, the most important thing in his life is Sasuke. We've never seen her try to help him reach Sasuke, nor does she seem to care about his suffering because of Sasuke.

We've never seen her support his dreams to be Hokage or defend his claims when he stated it, not even in part 1 if I recall. (She didn't seem to care about his lonely existence either, even though she watched him suffer along and knew about it, she did nothing to help him and kept her distance)

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's fairly clear to me that Hinata does not care about Naruto's problems. She cares about him being alive and keeping his nindo. That's about it.

Your oversimplifying it... by a lot.

Just because Hinata mentioned Naruto's nindo in her speech doesn't mean that that's all she cares about. The idea of that is silly.
Hinata repeated Naruto's nindo to remind him that he shouldn't give up so easily just because the situation had turned dire. Those words were said in order for Naruto to get himself together-- nothing really beyond that.

Next like I said previously, Hinata isn't going to be part of the Sasuke issue. She is not connected with Team 7 in any way, nor does she know Sasuke very well to comfort Naruto in that manner. Sasuke is definitely one of Naruto's bigger problems, but Hinata as a character has no link with that story-line. However its still something when she can have such a big impact on the main character concerning the main villains. I'd say having a huge influence with Pain and Obito is something in itself.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I don't think we've ever seen her care about his dreams or his desires. Sure, she cares when his nindo is being threatened because his nindo is her nindo. She also also cares about his life I guess.

But right now, the most important thing in his life is Sasuke. We've never seen her try to help him reach Sasuke, nor does she seem to care about his suffering because of Sasuke.

We've never seen her support his dreams to be Hokage or defend his claims when he stated it, not even in part 1 if I recall. (She didn't seem to care about his lonely existence either, even though she watched him suffer along and knew about it, she did nothing to help him and kept her distance)

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's fairly clear to me that Hinata does not care about Naruto's problems. She cares about him being alive and keeping his nindo. That's about it.

That's a little harsh. If Hinata knew about Naruto's struggles with Sasuke and said "I don't care about his pain", then yes you could say she doesn't care. However, to my knowledge Hinata isn't aware of all the suffering he goes through with Sasuke and how badly he wants to save him. It's not that she doesn't care, it's just that she's ignorant.

Again, all of those are exactly because of her ignorance when it comes to Naruto, not because she doesn't care. She doesn't know him very well so of course you don't see her commenting on any of those.

Basically, I believe Hinata would care if she actually had the knowledge and she'd want to help him. However, she doesn't and the only thing she knows is his nindo and proud failure past. It's more along the lines of her not whole-heartedly trying to see his struggles and get to know him because of her shyness throughout the series. It's no longer like this, not to say she still isn't ignorant.

I really don't care about Hinata but can at least see this much. Just because a lot of us here don't really have any investment in her character doesn't mean we should be hypercritical, you know.

[kirabook]

That's the point. She doesn't seem to care enough about Naruto himself to get to know him and support him like I would assume someone truly in love would do.

I'm a shy person, but if I really cared about someone, I wouldn't continue to watch him from behind for years and act like what I see of him is all there is to him. It's it telling that we've only see her support his nindo (and his life), but she doesn't even know enough to support him on other huge parts of his life?

I'm not exactly being critical of Hinata, but these points just make it more obvious that Hinata is just not a main character and she's really not that important in the grand scheme of things. It's as if she's only been made to reassure readers that Naruto's nindo works rather than to show Hinata will be there with him for life and help him through his problems.

I don't hate Hinata or anything, but Naruto's issues with Sasuke is not a secret among the K11, they all had a discussion about Sasuke and how far he's fallen. It seems only Sakura out of all of them wants him to stop chasing Sasuke. (I mean, I'm sure majority of them wants Naruto to stop, but other than Sakura *even though her method was messed up and out of place* actually tried to snap him out of it. I don't like that. :/)

Maybe I would give Hinata more of a chance if she had done the little things to fill Naruto's lonely existence back in the day when she noticed and she could have done something. Or if we saw her support Naruto verbally on his dreams to be Hokage (though, not even Sakura has done it aloud has she? Only to herself) Or, if she felt Sasuke was hurting Naruto and did what should could to convince him to do something else (though Hinata would never do that because she's adopted Naruto's almost ridiculous "Never give up ever" nindo)

I don't know. This is just another major reason why I can't support NH and why I don't think their foundation is very strong. Not only is there not very much interaction between the two other than very intense life threatening moments, but Hinata is never truly involved in Naruto's life either. She doesn't care, we've never seen her try to get to know Naruto to care about anything other than his nindo. If Hinata did go out of her way to learn more about him, then that's a different story. But no, she choose to remain ignorant all this time.

[narulsaku]

she actually never cared about narutos feeling. everytime she thinks how i can got to naruto kun, how i can win his heart. how i . she never even looked at what naruto is going through ?

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

That's the point. She doesn't seem to care enough about Naruto himself to get to know him and support him like I would assume someone truly in love would do.

I'm a shy person, but if I really cared about someone, I wouldn't continue to watch him from behind for years and act like what I see of him is all there is to him. It's it telling that we've only see her support his nindo (and his life), but she doesn't even know enough to support him on other huge parts of his life?

I'm not exactly being critical of Hinata, but these points just make it more obvious that Hinata is just not a main character and she's really not that important in the grand scheme of things. It's as if she's only been made to reassure readers that Naruto's nindo works rather than to show Hinata will be there with him for life and help him through his problems.

I don't hate Hinata or anything, but Naruto's issues with Sasuke is not a secret among the K11, they all had a discussion about Sasuke and how far he's fallen. It seems only Sakura out of all of them wants him to stop chasing Sasuke. (I mean, I'm sure majority of them wants Naruto to stop, but other than Sakura *even though her method was messed up and out of place* actually tried to snap him out of it. I don't like that. :/)

Maybe I would give Hinata more of a chance if she had done the little things to fill Naruto's lonely existence back in the day when she noticed and she could have done something. Or if we saw her support Naruto verbally on his dreams to be Hokage (though, not even Sakura has done it aloud has she? Only to herself) Or, if she felt Sasuke was hurting Naruto and did what should could to convince him to do something else (though Hinata would never do that because she's adopted Naruto's almost ridiculous "Never give up ever" nindo)

I don't know. This is just another major reason why I can't support NH and why I don't think their foundation is very strong. Not only is there not very much interaction between the two other than very intense life threatening moments, but Hinata is never truly involved in Naruto's life either. She doesn't care, we've never seen her try to get to know Naruto to care about anything other than his nindo. If Hinata did go out of her way to learn more about him, then that's a different story. But no, she choose to remain ignorant all this time.

This all leads up to the fact that Hinata was never actually in love with Naruto in Part 1, she was highly infatuated and admired his confidence. That wasn't love, it was hero-worship. Seeing how she couldn't even overcome her shyness enough to be there for him indicates that as well. If she truly loved him, she would have tried to be there for him and get to know him. Just like Sakura with Sasuke and Naruto with Sakura. I say her shyness for not helping him when he was suffering was an excuse but not with blame. It's an understandable excuse, but an excuse nonetheless.

Hinata wasn't even reallly intended to be a ninja in a first place, that's really telling of her importance in the grand scheme of things. All that attention she's getting now is purely for her character development. I'm pretty confident that she'll just disappear in the background again after this arc and go back to being invisible, other than a few more brief chapter cameos and probably a timeskip showing on how she ended up or whatever.

Sakura's approach, though very much a failure, was a "tough love" way of thinking. She did all of that because she knew this whole saving Sasuke thing was too much pressure and might end up killing him so she disregarded her love for Sasuke and put Naruto as top priority. I think again Hinata was ignorant of his closeness to Sasuke, that's why she didn't vote "No". She didn't exactly look happy but she didn't object. I feel like if she knew, Hinata would have voted no and objected to it, since it would hurt Naruto. Really highlighting the difference between Hinata's love for Naruto and Sakura's love for him. Hinata coddles him and does whatever he wishes while Sakura is more confronational and argumentive because of her feelings for him. She isn't afraid to disagree with him if she thinks he's doing something wrong.

I always saw Hinata as the living embodiment of Naruto's nindo and how heavily he can actually change someone. Hinata's completely revolves around him and how much his smile "saved her" so basically she's the perfect representation as unneeded as it is.

Hinata cares, but she doesn't care enough. I really wonder lately if Hinata truly loves him as deeply as she says she does. Wouldn't you actually try and openly support the person frequently and try to understand their doubts and pains, not the surface scratching she always does with this person she's "in love" with? I wonder if Kishimoto is purposely trying to show she is confusing obsession and hero-worship with love or he actually is trying to say she does. Honestly, the fact that she loves him for the reasons she does don't really seem that genuine other than how he made her change. If you compare Sakura's confession to Naruto, she listed reasons on why she did and it seemed less shallow, more heartfelt and believable, lie or not. With Hinata it was just "You changed him and made me confident! That's why I love you!" It's not really having to do with why she loves the person he is inside. :/ She just doesn't know the person he is, something Hinata chose herself.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 08 February 2013 - 08:35 AM.

[Don-kun]

@xxRomanceGirlxx

OK if I'm correct Neji knew about Naruto problem, Lee, Shino, Kiba, Shikamaru, Ino, Choji, Tenten no panel time for anything, so you want to tell me that 80% of the Rookie 12 who seems to get a little focus knows about Naruto and Sakura's problem they even gather and reach to an agreement to kill Sasuke and we saw that some were concern about Naruto and Sakura.

Rookies made an agreement to kill Sasuke, all of them knows that Naruto and Sakura care about him, but Hinata the one that loves Naruto the most never reflect on the fact that they was about to kill someone who Naruto as being trying to save for over 3 years.

Hinata does not care about Naruto in a personal level, she refuse to think about his feelings something all who being paying close attention to him should know.

There is no excuse for Hinata, all she want is for Naruto to notice her and now that she got that she wants him to love her back.

[narusaku4ver]

@xxRomanceGirlxx

OK if I'm correct Neji knew about Naruto problem, Lee, Shino, Kiba, Shikamaru, Ino, Choji, Tenten no panel time for anything, so you want to tell me that 80% of the Rookie 12 who seems to get a little focus knows about Naruto and Sakura's problem they even gather and reach to an agreement to kill Sasuke and we saw that some were concern about Naruto and Sakura.

Rookies made an agreement to kill Sasuke, all of them knows that Naruto and Sakura care about him, but Hinata the one that loves Naruto the most never reflect on the fact that they was about to kill someone who Naruto as being trying to save for over 3 years.

Hinata does not care about Naruto in a personal level, she refuse to think about his feelings something all who being paying close attention to him should know.

There is no excuse for Hinata, all she want is for Naruto to notice her and now that she got that she wants him to love her back.

It's not refuse she simply does not have this type of development, she does not refuse to think about something that she does not know.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@xxRomanceGirlxx

OK if I'm correct Neji knew about Naruto problem, Lee, Shino, Kiba, Shikamaru, Ino, Choji, Tenten no panel time for anything, so you want to tell me that 80% of the Rookie 12 who seems to get a little focus knows about Naruto and Sakura's problem they even gather and reach to an agreement to kill Sasuke and we saw that some were concern about Naruto and Sakura.

Rookies made an agreement to kill Sasuke, all of them knows that Naruto and Sakura care about him, but Hinata the one that loves Naruto the most never reflect on the fact that they was about to kill someone who Naruto as being trying to save for over 3 years.

Hinata does not care about Naruto in a personal level, she refuse to think about his feelings something all who being paying close attention to him should know.

There is no excuse for Hinata, all she want is for Naruto to notice her and now that she got that she wants him to love her back.

Yep, pretty much. Hinata's just somehow ignorant of Naruto's problems and emotional pain over Sasuke. Neji, Lee, Kiba, Shikamaru, and Choji knew because they went on the Sasuke Retrieval mission. Shino I don't think knew and Ino was crying because of her own feelings for him. I heavily doubt Hinata knew the extent of how much he cared about him. If she had, she would've voted no and coddled Naruto like she usually does.

It's not that she refuses, she's just ignorant and self-aborbed in her own feelings for him. Bolded: Uh-huh. That's what I've been trying to get the NH fans to realize. Hinata's love= selfish love. What she cares about more than anything is getting Naruto to notice her and love her, not his actual feelings. It's an ironic echo of Sakura's love for Sasuke in Part 1, just less genuine.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 08 February 2013 - 10:49 PM.

[sushi.]

Yep, pretty much. Hinata's just somehow ignorant of Naruto's problems and emotional pain over Sasuke. Neji, Lee, Kiba, Shikamaru, and Choji knew because they went on the Sasuke Retrieval mission. Shino I don't think knew and Ino was crying because of her own feelings for him. I heavily doubt Hinata knew the extent of how much he cared about him. If she had, she would've voted no and coddled Naruto like she usually does.

It's not that she refuses, she's just ignorant and self-aborbed in her own feelings for him. Bolded: Uh-huh. That's what I've been trying to get the NH fans to realize. Hinata's love= selfish love. What she cares about more than anything is getting Naruto to notice her and love her, not his actual feelings. It's an ironic echo of Sakura's love for Sasuke in Part 1, just less genuine.

Hinata might have thought she would be happy as long as she Naruto acknowledged her. That was her goal. When she achieved that, she noticed that no, she was not satisfied yet. She wants something more, or she thinks she needs it.

Hinata must be aware of his issues with Sasuke, but hasn't thought about it much. She puts too much into one side of Naruto(idealism, nindo) to be able to see the other sides of him, most importantly the inside.

Edited by sushi., 08 February 2013 - 11:02 PM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Hinata might have thought she would be happy as long as she Naruto acknowledged her. That was her goal. When she achieved that, she noticed that no, she was not satisfied yet. She wants something more, or she thinks she needs it.

Hinata must be aware of his issues with Sasuke, but hasn't thought about it much. She puts too much into one side of Naruto(idealism, nindo) to be able to see the other sides of him, most importantly the inside.

I've speculated this. Hinata just wants to try and win over Naruto's affections, but will sadly accept if he never loves her because she would still feel like she accomplished something. 573 gave me that impression. However now, instead of being okay with just him acknowledging her existence and abilities, she wants more. Unlike her Part 1 self, she has seriously put one of her goals as to have Naruto love her. Regression or character development? You decide.

She knows he's his teammate and must care for him, but what she doesn't know is how much devotion he puts into Sasuke and how much he actually loves him (platonically). Yes. I kind of feel like she sees Naruto as perfect because all she usually sees is his confidence and idealism, not his suffering and deepest concerns. 615 might have changed that a little but all it showed her was Naruto's intial inability to accept someone's death and not blame himself.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 08 February 2013 - 11:21 PM.

[narusaku4ver]

I've speculated this. Hinata just wants to try and win over Naruto's affections, but will sadly accept if he never loves her because she would still feel like she accomplished something. 573 gave me that impression. However now, instead of being okay with just him acknowledging her existence and abilities, she wants more. Unlike her Part 1 self, she has seriously put one of her goals as to have Naruto love her. Regression or character development? You decide.

She knows he's his teammate and must care for him, but what she doesn't know is how much devotion he puts into Sasuke and how much he actually loves him (platonically). Yes. I kind of feel like she sees Naruto as perfect because all she usually sees is his confidence and idealism, not his suffering and deepest concerns. 615 might have changed that a little but all it showed her was Naruto's intial inability to accept someone's death and not blame himself.

Sums up everything, the fact is she's the few that does not know that Naruto loves Sakura, it's clearly obvious to me that something like support will happen if she learns that and wont be by Naruto's words, but his actions, Hinata does not want Naruto to love her she wants acknowledgement she wants to be with him, you're implying that she wants ot Naruto forget about Sakura and loves her which would be bad as hell for her character.

Character development call me biased or whatever i only found her overcoming her shyness which is the only thing that says on databook 3 about her which is overcome her shyness and blossom to a white flower or something like that.
But nothing talking about love, nothing about win Naruto's over only overcome the shyness.

Her development is just about it.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Sums up everything, the fact is she's the few that does not know that Naruto loves Sakura, it's clearly obvious to me that something like support will happen if she learns that and wont be by Naruto's words, but his actions, Hinata does not want Naruto to love her she wants acknowledgement she wants to be with him, you're implying that she wants ot Naruto forget about Sakura and loves her which would be bad as hell for her character.

I'm not implying anything of the sort. Hinata is ignorant of Naruto's love for Sakura, just like she's ignorant of many others things about him. I'm not even attempting to put her in such a negative light. She wants Naruto to return her feelings and has some newfound confidence that caused her to try and carry out her wishes. Why? Exactly that. Hinata has no idea that her feelings aren't returned and that he already fell in love with someone else. That's the problem. She's not doing it out of complete selfishness, she's doing it out of ignorance.

Hinata does want Naruto to love her. She's really trying now because she believes she has a chance and she wants to accomplish something for herself. That's the gist of all this. If she had any idea that he loved Sakura, do you really think she'd be doing this now? Of course not, she'd back off. Hinata may be selfish but she's not that selfish.

[Don-kun]

I'm not implying anything of the sort. Hinata is ignorant of Naruto's love for Sakura, just like she's ignorant of many others things about him. I'm not even attempting to put her in such a negative light. She wants Naruto to return her feelings and has some newfound confidence that caused her to try and carry out her wishes. Why? Exactly that. Hinata has no idea that her feelings aren't returned and that he already fell in love with someone else. That's the problem. She's not doing it out of complete selfishness, she's doing it out of ignorance.

Hinata does want Naruto to love her. She's really trying now because she believes she has a chance and she wants to accomplish something for herself. That's the gist of all this. If she had any idea that he loved Sakura, do you really think she'd be doing this now? Of course not, she'd back off. Hinata may be selfish but she's not that selfish.

You know what you and NS4ever implying could be truth, she could be ignorant to those fact, but I wonder is Kishmoto that terrible writing romance or he is avoiding that aspect of Hinata's life regarding Naruto on-purpose?
Why would Hinata be so madly in love with Naruto but don't know the things he desire the most (Sasuke, Hokage and his feelings for Sakura being reciprocated) People try to say things like, Naruto is not in love with Sakura, but when Sasuke was not a problem he only cared about two things Sakura and Hokage.

Edited by Don-kun, 09 February 2013 - 12:28 AM.

[narusaku4ver]

You know what you and NS4ever implying could be truth, she could be ignorant to those fact, but I wonder is Kishmoto that terrible writing romance or he is avoiding that aspect of Hinata's life regarding Naruto on-purpose?
Why would Hinata be so madly in love with Naruto but don't know the things he desire the most (Sasuke, Hokage and his feelings for Sakura being reciprocated) People try to say things like, Naruto is not in love with Sakura, but when Sasuke was not a problem he only cared about two things Sakura and Hokage.

Well despite Sakura being his objective he was more of a Hokage, surpass Sasuke and acknowledgement.

I'm not implying anything of the sort. Hinata is ignorant of Naruto's love for Sakura, just like she's ignorant of many others things about him. I'm not even attempting to put her in such a negative light. She wants Naruto to return her feelings and has some newfound confidence that caused her to try and carry out her wishes. Why? Exactly that. Hinata has no idea that her feelings aren't returned and that he already fell in love with someone else. That's the problem. She's not doing it out of complete selfishness, she's doing it out of ignorance.

Hinata does want Naruto to love her. She's really trying now because she believes she has a chance and she wants to accomplish something for herself. That's the gist of all this. If she had any idea that he loved Sakura, do you really think she'd be doing this now? Of course not, she'd back off. Hinata may be selfish but she's not that selfish.

Well the difference is that on part 1 Hinata was shy and did nothing for Naruto, her shyness was a problem for her she could not support Naruto she was there hiding behind a tree all the time even on when they searched for Sasuke she barely interacted and only stood behind a tree.
Databooks says that for her last development is to overcome the shy attitude, since 615 she wasnt to shy anymore to do nothing to Naruto, i did not see 615 as Hinata trying to force her love into Naruto, she didnt make a romantic speech, look at her speech she didnt say "i love you Naruto" or something that implies it, she supported doing a common speech about friendship nothing more or less, she woudl force if she did "Naruto your nindo changed me, i was a loser...., i'm here at your side..." sort off like this then i would say that she's forcing.

Hinata character is about "shy".

Edited by narusaku4ver, 09 February 2013 - 12:54 AM.

[Don-kun]

Well despite Sakura being his objective he was more of a Hokage, surpass Sasuke and acknowledgement.


Well the difference is that on part 1 Hinata was shy and did nothing for Naruto, her shyness was a problem for her she could not support Naruto she was there hiding behind a tree all the time even on when they searched for Sasuke she barely interacted and only stood behind a tree.
Databooks says that for her last development is to overcome the shy attitude, since 615 she wasnt to shy anymore to do nothing to Naruto, i did not see 615 as Hinata trying to force her love into Naruto, she didnt make a romantic speech, look at her speech she didnt say "i love you Naruto" or something that implies it, she supported doing a common speech about friendship nothing more or less, she woudl force if she did "Naruto your nindo changed me, i was a loser...., i'm here at your side..." sort off like this then i would say that she's forcing.

Well we are both right since the Hokage stuff was to gain acknowledgement from the Villagers and Naruto never start wanting to be Sasuke rival is focus was on Sakura, the tree climbing test is were Naruto start seeing Sasuke as an rival, that is why I said before the Sasuke problem.