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[Chatte]

If that were to happen, then please allow me to eat my own words. But I must say I may agree with James about Hinata and chapters 615-616. Time will tell to see who's right or wrong.

That's why I say... that is infatuation, not love!

It says that Sakura loves Sasuke in the databooks, and her feelings for him are just as superficial as Hinata's feelings for Naruto.

It is superficial, but still better. At least, when she confessed, she said she would do anything to make him happy together with Team 7, she wanted to help him be happy and not vengeful. She was willing to work on his problems. Selfish as she was. Yet, when did Hinata do that? When did she offered to help Naruto with the problems he had? Never.

Edited by Chatte, 07 February 2013 - 05:08 AM.

[MangaReader]

If that were to happen, then please allow me to eat my own words. But I must say I may agree with James about Hinata and chapters 615-616. Time will tell to see who's right or wrong.

I hope I'm wrong is all ^^ but eh, I'm setting myself up for any outcome minus Naruto and Sakura dying

[Slextrem]

It is superficial, but still better. At least, when she confessed, she said she would do anything to make him happy together with Team 7, she wanted to help him be happy and not vengeful. She was willing to work on his problems. Selfish as she was. Yet, when did Hinata do that? When did she offered to help Naruto with the problems he had? Never.

I wouldn't say it's better. Sakura's love for Sasuke is more understandable (though not by much) because she was close to him (i.e. on the same team; I don't think she was close to him on a personal level), but that doesn't make it any better than Hinata's love for Naruto. Both girls fell for the idea behind the man, not the man himself. Sakura fell in love with Sasuke's popularity. Hinata fell in love with Naruto's nindo. That makes both of them equally superficial in my books.

[James S Cassidy]

I wouldn't say it's better. Sakura's love for Sasuke is more understandable (though not by much) because she was close to him (i.e. on the same team; I don't think she was close to him on a personal level), but that doesn't make it any better than Hinata's love for Naruto. Both girls fell for the idea behind the man, not the man himself. Sakura fell in love with Sasuke's popularity. Hinata fell in love with Naruto's nindo. That makes both of them equally superficial in my books.

OFT.

It may be different reason, but those reasons fall in the same category. It's like falling in love with someone because they are rich or popular. Anybody ever watch iCarly? I did......what? Don't you judge me.....Anyway, there was an episode where Feddie saved Carly's life and they became a couple during the episode. Now Feddie was always in love with Carly, but Carly never showed feelings for Feddie.

On that episode, Sam said to Feddie that Carly wasn't in love with Feddie because of who he is, but rather what he did. Because he was this hero. In fact, even throughout the episode many girls fell in love with Freddie and admired him.

Hinata's love is the same way. She is not in love with him, but what he does. That heroic personality.

[Chatte]

OFT.

It may be different reason, but those reasons fall in the same category. It's like falling in love with someone because they are rich or popular. Anybody ever watch iCarly? I did......what? Don't you judge me.....Anyway, there was an episode where Feddie saved Carly's life and they became a couple during the episode. Now Feddie was always in love with Carly, but Carly never showed feelings for Feddie.

On that episode, Sam said to Feddie that Carly wasn't in love with Feddie because of who he is, but rather what he did. Because he was this hero. In fact, even throughout the episode many girls fell in love with Freddie and admired him.

Hinata's love is the same way. She is not in love with him, but what he does. That heroic personality.

I know what you're saying but didn't see the episode.
Meh, Slex, I'd tend to disagree on that. Why? Because she was close to him more than ever Hinata was close to Naruto and at least, Sakura got to understand Sasuke and what he went through. What does Hinata understand? Almost nothing about Naruto. Almost.
While Sakura understood Sasuke and, implicitly, Naruto via loneliness.
That's what makes Team 7 bond. Naruto and Sasuke understood eachother because of that loneliness factor they shared and Sasuke made Sakura understand that by making her feeling lonely if he wasn't there.
So that's how they're all tied together.
Anyway, this goes much deeper but the surface was this. They have a better understanding, at least in my opinion, than Hinata has over Naruto and that's why, I, personally, can call it better, up to a certain point.

[narulsaku]

james- thats right condition for ss. sakura fell in love with sasuke as he was way too much cool than everyone. but hinata fell in love when naruto tried to save her from thore boys. then the feelings got stronger and stronger till now. many of us says that she is selfish but i think that she cared for naruto . when noone believed him or even looked at him when he became sad she feel sorry too. it was one of the flashbacks.

[Chatte]

james- thats right condition for ss. sakura fell in love with sasuke as he was way too much cool than everyone. but hinata fell in love when naruto tried to save her from thore boys. then the feelings got stronger and stronger till now. many of us says that she is selfish but i think that she cared for naruto . when noone believed him or even looked at him when he became sad she feel sorry too. it was one of the flashbacks.

That was filler...

[TouKen4Life3g]

james- thats right condition for ss. sakura fell in love with sasuke as he was way too much cool than everyone. but hinata fell in love when naruto tried to save her from thore boys. then the feelings got stronger and stronger till now. many of us says that she is selfish but i think that she cared for naruto . when noone believed him or even looked at him when he became sad she feel sorry too. it was one of the flashbacks.

You do know that the Naruto saving Hinata from those boys is a filler right? She's inspired by Naruto because people underestimated him and he said that he can prove them all that he can be strong. That's the problem (oddly enough) with Hinata. It's all based on the factor of never giving up. Sakura understood that already but she knows much more about him.

[James S Cassidy]

I know what you're saying but didn't see the episode.
Meh, Slex, I'd tend to disagree on that. Why? Because she was close to him more than ever Hinata was close to Naruto and at least, Sakura got to understand Sasuke and what he went through. What does Hinata understand? Almost nothing about Naruto. Almost.
While Sakura understood Sasuke and, implicitly, Naruto via loneliness.
That's what makes Team 7 bond. Naruto and Sasuke understood eachother because of that loneliness factor they shared and Sasuke made Sakura understand that by making her feeling lonely if he wasn't there.
So that's how they're all tied together.
Anyway, this goes much deeper but the surface was this. They have a better understanding, at least in my opinion, than Hinata has over Naruto and that's why, I, personally, can call it better, up to a certain point.

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this.

Sakura might have thought she knew Sasuke, but she really never did. Even on a surface level. If Sakura understood Sasuke on the surface because she felt that loneliness when he left, I could argue that Hinata would be the same way with Naruto because she felt the pain of being considered weak and looked down upon. I don't think Sakura really knew what Sasuke had to go through, because she never really was alone. She didn't lose her family and clan nor was ever considered special or an outcast.

Besides, how can she be that so much aware of Sasuke after such a brief moment with him, but not be aware of Naruto's burdens when she has been with him longer? It took Sai to tell her that. And both Naruto and Sasuke were good at hiding themselves away from telling people the truth.

I can't say Sakura was closer to Sasuke than Hinata is to Naruto because if it is only a surface impression then Sakura only believed what she wanted. As for the scene where she asked Sasuke not to go, because I know this will be brought up, I saw that as not her understanding, but her just saying anything to not get him to leave.

I hate to look down on Sakura, but if she couldn't even figure out Naruto's pain on her own without someone telling it to her, how could she figure out Sasuke's?

To really think about it, it's not Sasuke that keeps those bonds of team 7, but Naruto himself. Sasuke is actually what keeps them apart and might even destroy team 7 from the inside out.

[narulsaku]

That was filler...

yes i know!

[James S Cassidy]

yes i know!

If you know, then the argument is invalid.

Even if it was canon, it would support my claim even more than it has now. She is in love with the idea and image, not the man himself. She doesn't know Naruto. She doesn't know what kind of person he is. She doesn't know his flaws and she doesn't try to help him get better. Only comfort him. I sometimes see her telling Naruto what she wants him to hear, not what he needs to hear.

It's not how Hinata was written and she only knows Naruto on surface level. Sakura knows Naruto for all his strengths and weaknesses from surface and deep down. She knows how to treat him. You can even see the greatest differences when you see how Sakura told Hinata she underestimates him.

She doesn't know the man. She only knows his will.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 07 February 2013 - 07:09 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If you know, then the argument is invalid.

Even if it was canon, it would support my claim even more than it has now. She is in love with the idea and image, not the man himself. She doesn't know Naruto. She doesn't know what kind of person he is. She doesn't know his flaws and she doesn't try to help him get better. Only comfort him. I sometimes see her telling Naruto what she wants him to hear, not what he needs to hear.

It's not how Hinata was written and she only knows Naruto on surface level. Sakura knows Naruto for all his strengths and weaknesses from surface and deep down. She knows how to treat him. You can even see the greatest differences when you see how Sakura told Hinata she underestimates him.

She doesn't know the man. She only knows his will.

Words of wisdom.

Yes, that argument is invalid. Faster than you can say Hinata can heal with healing jutsu.

That's why a lot of fillers, including the movie, shows that her limitation of connecting to Naruto is to the point of how strong she has progress. If you ever noticed, even in RtN shows that Naruto tells her to keep up the good work, like a hero telling her keep it up. It's always been like that. Hero inspiring a fan/apprentice. Naruto/Sakura is like a hero loving a heroine.

[Slextrem]

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this.

Sakura might have thought she knew Sasuke, but she really never did. Even on a surface level. If Sakura understood Sasuke on the surface because she felt that loneliness when he left, I could argue that Hinata would be the same way with Naruto because she felt the pain of being considered weak and looked down upon. I don't think Sakura really knew what Sasuke had to go through, because she never really was alone. She didn't lose her family and clan nor was ever considered special or an outcast.

Besides, how can she be that so much aware of Sasuke after such a brief moment with him, but not be aware of Naruto's burdens when she has been with him longer? It took Sai to tell her that. And both Naruto and Sasuke were good at hiding themselves away from telling people the truth.

I can't say Sakura was closer to Sasuke than Hinata is to Naruto because if it is only a surface impression then Sakura only believed what she wanted. As for the scene where she asked Sasuke not to go, because I know this will be brought up, I saw that as not her understanding, but her just saying anything to not get him to leave.

I hate to look down on Sakura, but if she couldn't even figure out Naruto's pain on her own without someone telling it to her, how could she figure out Sasuke's?

To really think about it, it's not Sasuke that keeps those bonds of team 7, but Naruto himself. Sasuke is actually what keeps them apart and might even destroy team 7 from the inside out.

^ This sums up my feelings on the matter.

Sakura never really knew Sasuke. She thought she did, but that was never really true. She had a very superficial view of him, developed through years of fan worshiping and the confusion during the bench scene, and still maintained that view up until her reality check during the Summit arc. We've only recently started to see her come to terms with her misunderstanding of his character.

That's not to say that she didn't have a bond with him, Chatte. We all know that the members of Team Seven are tied together, but that doesn't mean that Sakura understood Sasuke. She did try to learn more about him, but he was always shutting her out of his life. Nothing ever amounted from her efforts. Similarly, Hinata has tried to grab Naruto's attention for years, but nothing ever amounts from that either.

[Chatte]

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this.

Sakura might have thought she knew Sasuke, but she really never did. Even on a surface level. If Sakura understood Sasuke on the surface because she felt that loneliness when he left, I could argue that Hinata would be the same way with Naruto because she felt the pain of being considered weak and looked down upon. I don't think Sakura really knew what Sasuke had to go through, because she never really was alone. She didn't lose her family and clan nor was ever considered special or an outcast.

Besides, how can she be that so much aware of Sasuke after such a brief moment with him, but not be aware of Naruto's burdens when she has been with him longer? It took Sai to tell her that. And both Naruto and Sasuke were good at hiding themselves away from telling people the truth.

I can't say Sakura was closer to Sasuke than Hinata is to Naruto because if it is only a surface impression then Sakura only believed what she wanted. As for the scene where she asked Sasuke not to go, because I know this will be brought up, I saw that as not her understanding, but her just saying anything to not get him to leave.

I hate to look down on Sakura, but if she couldn't even figure out Naruto's pain on her own without someone telling it to her, how could she figure out Sasuke's?

To really think about it, it's not Sasuke that keeps those bonds of team 7, but Naruto himself. Sasuke is actually what keeps them apart and might even destroy team 7 from the inside out.

Sure, it's your right to disagree with it but that's how I feel about it. You are right here and there but the reason I'm saying this is that at least, Sakura doesn't lack the time spent with Sasue that Hinata laks with Naruto.
Naruto was looked down upon everyone for a reason, Hinata was looked-down upon only by her father. And, well, Neji becasue of his personal things. But the situations are a bit incomparable.
And the reason I said it, it's becasue when Sakura said she'd feel lonely, yet she has friends and everything, it's kinda similar to his(Sasuke's) situation. He lost his family, yet, he made friends but he still feels lonely.
Sakura got to know him, when he was sad or not, how he was, how he wasn't here and there despite him trying to cover it.
Look at when Orochimaru turns him. Sakura knows what's not Sasuke, yet, someone who wouldn't know him, would say he's a total lunatic.
At least, in my opinion, she got a little more profound than Hinata, that's why her love love life is always more debated than Hinata's, imo.

Edited by Chatte, 07 February 2013 - 07:25 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Sure, it's your right to disagree with it but that's how I feel about it. You are right here and there but the reason I'm saying this is that at least, Sakura doesn't lack the time spent with Sasue that Hinata laks with Naruto.
Naruto was looked down upon everyone for a reason, Hinata was looked-down upon only by her father. And, well, Neji becasue of his personal things. But the situations are a bit incomparable.
And the reason I said it, it's becasue when Sakura said she'd feel lonely, yet she has friends and everything, it's kinda similar to his(Sasuke's) situation. He lost his family, yet, he made friends but he still feels lonely.
Sakura got to know him, when he was sad or not, how he was, how he wasn't here and there despite him trying to cover it.
Look at when Orochimaru turns him. Sakura knows what's not Sasuke, yet, someone who wouldn't know him, would say he's a total lunatic.
At least, in my opinion, she got a little more profound than Hinata, that's why her love love life is always more debated than Hinata's, imo.

Sadly, this is alone kind of blurs the line between what is actually there and what we want to see. Yeah, you feel differently about it, but factually I could prove it all wrong. Just saying. Reminds me of the argument I had with Darkrerst about whether or not Sakura is insecure about herself. I argued that she isn't given what we know in 573, he argued she was, giving events before that chapter. Who is right?

Agree to disagree, I guess. I could keep throwing points at you, but it won't change your mind. So I won't try.

The NH might be the same and perceive that Hinata is closer to Naruto than Sakura was to Sasuke.

^ This sums up my feelings on the matter.

Sakura never really knew Sasuke. She thought she did, but that was never really true. She had a very superficial view of him, developed through years of fan worshiping and the confusion during the bench scene, and still maintained that view up until her reality check during the Summit arc. We've only recently started to see her come to terms with her misunderstanding of his character.

That's not to say that she didn't have a bond with him, Chatte. We all know that the members of Team Seven are tied together, but that doesn't mean that Sakura understood Sasuke. She did try to learn more about him, but he was always shutting her out of his life. Nothing ever amounted from her efforts. Similarly, Hinata has tried to grab Naruto's attention for years, but nothing ever amounts from that either.

Yeah, she tried, but she never got close enough mostly because he wouldn't let her into his life.

That bolded is a good point. The Sasuke she thought he was wasn't Sasuke in the first place. It was Naruto. I think that why NS fans believe this will come into importance later on. It's such a scene that had altered the views of Sakura and made her believe in a lie.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 07 February 2013 - 08:03 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

At that point you say your done... He's getting weaker so it's no fun. XD *Toasty would know this reference*

But yeah, if Kishi didn't make them, then they likely wouldn't exist. Seriously, James hit the nail on the head though, their called "official" for a reason.

Trust me, I already did. I truly could not believe the denial he had over all my points which is ironic 'cause he is the one who bluntly said right away I was in denial and his opinion 100% superior. He was absolutely right, I was wrong. He wouldn't even consider my points, just denied it instantly. I didn't do that, I always said it was possible I was wrong.

I understand to an extent. A lot of the scenes are up for interpretation so of course there isn't any guarentee I was right. But from what I gathered and his line of thinking, he believes Naruto got over Sakura after Hinata confessed her love to him and that Naruto was too busy to talk to her over it (I mentioned he wasn't actually busy 'cause he was with Sakura and I added he was probably avoiding it which lead him to say "I can't believe you NaruSaku fans see Naruto in such a negative light by disregarding Hinata's feelings like that." :/. Also mentioned his pained expression, apparently meant nothing he was just sad his best friend is hurting for loving a criminal. And 615 proves Naruto now has feelings for her, I guess. NaruSaku is no longer a possibility or one-sided. The funny thing is when I argued that the confession proved Naruto loves Sakura still by blushing in the beginning and how he was angry and hurt when she was about to say she loved him while hugging him was what he completely ignored; he had no answer to that which is why he ignored it lol. Though a blush doesn't mean he still loves her I guess.

I quickly realized I was dealing with an entirely arrogant NaruHina fan who purposely selectively reads and ignores what ever goes against him. There were at least four things that weren't up for interpretation that he denied which actually made me laugh:

~Those character charts are entirely unreliable because there's no way Kishi would do that. (I loled. Sounds more like "I don't wanna believe it so I'm denying it's existence" to me )
~That wasn't an Editor's Note in 615, Naruto actually said "I won't let go of that hand!", referring to Hinata and his "newfound feelings for her".
~ No one in the background was blushing when Sakura hugged Naruto in the Pain arc. ( ... )
~ Sakura being confused doesn't mean love and it's an inaccurate source anyway, since it also said Kakashi could cut through lightening at light-speed.

It was at this point, I was done. I bluntly told him he was being overcocky and disrespectful, also making himself looking like a fool in denying those four particular things which weakened his debating even more. Finally I said don't be surprised again if Kishi trolls you once more. Then I ignored him. Yet he left a comment on my YT channel which I still refuse to look at. It'd would only be BS or a sense that he "won" when I seriously was only getting sick of his denial.

Speaking of some NaruHina fans, I realized that despite the 616 troll, they are still as arrogant and victory bashing as ever. Literally, it's a mess. They're everywhere and you can't even ignore it. Funny, I thought they would quiet down after 616 but they're still just as bad. I actually saw two pro-NaruHina comments on a NaruSaku video with 21 likes and the other with 20. Seriously, what is happening with this fandom? Were they this bad when Hinata confessed to Naruto? Or is it worse now? I wasn't deep into the Naruto fandom back then. It's so immature!


Oh and about Sakura's love for Sasuke, I have mixed feelings over it. I feel like it's more sincere than Hinata's hero worship of Naruto, but at the same time they're in the same vein. Both selfish loves (Sakura forced her feelings on Sasuke, Hinata uses her love to better herself) and both falling in love with an image. Hinata, I really struggle to see genuine love here. If it was genuine, she would actually express an interest in Naruto's problems and try to get to know him. You could say she's shy but that shouldn't stop her if she truly cared enough. Mostly, it's always about her feelings and how she wants him to notice her. At least Sakura tried to get to know Sasuke and actually cared enough, she tried to support him and get him to soften up a little. It was never without effort, demonstrated far more strongly than Hinata's "devotion" to Naruto (This is coming from a rabid SS hater who actually hates it more than NH). I always say she knew him, but she didn't know him. Sakura knew his desire for revenge but never why it was there and she knew his calm and cool exterior which is what she fell in love with. However, Sasuke never let her in or opened up to her. Never. Therefore, she couldn't understand him or his problems. His doubts, his fears, Sakura knew little to nothing about the inner Sasuke. It was always his cold outer shell she was faced with. I think even Sakura can see she can't really understand him or ever truly knew him on a deep, personal level.

Her relationship and love for Naruto is drastically different, strictly because of how very un-Sasuke like he is. However, in both cases, her romantic love for her teammates have one thing in common. Sakura has a very strong instinctual urge to always be there for them and nurture them, no matter what. She tries so hard to understand them so she can connect to them on a deeper level and support them even more. That's the similiarity between SasuSaku and NaruSaku on Sakura's side. However, unlike with Sasuke, she succeded almost entirely with Naruto. This is because he's a very open individual and pretty emotional; he loves her so he's less resistent to her efforts. This is why Sakura knows Naruto inside and out as well as she does, far more than she ever did Sasuke. Naruto doesn't push her away as heavily and frequent as he did. It's even more obvious in how Sakura and Naruto hang out with each other all the time, outside of missions, without Sai or Kakashi. She could never accomplish that with Sasuke, he usually dismissed her. (It also didn't help that Sakura continually approached him in a flirting and fangirl way. It was hard to naturally hang out with her when all she would do is flirty advances).

Though I will say this. Naruto still pushes her away to some extent, just not in an obvious or in rude way (minus the confession). He doesn't tell her everything because of his innate selflessness (not burdening her with his problems) and the protective wall he's so known for. Sakura is aware of this but it's very obvious that's she's getting closer to getting him to fully open up to her like she wants him to.

[Gravenimage]

Trust me, I already did. I truly could not believe the denial he had over all my points which is ironic 'cause he is the one who bluntly said right away I was in denial and his opinion 100% superior. He was absolutely right, I was wrong. He wouldn't even consider my points, just denied it instantly. I didn't do that, I always said it was possible I was wrong.

I understand to an extent. A lot of the scenes are up for interpretation so of course there isn't any guarentee I was right. But from what I gathered and his line of thinking, he believes Naruto got over Sakura after Hinata confessed her love to him and that Naruto was too busy to talk to her over it (I mentioned he wasn't actually busy 'cause he was with Sakura and I added he was probably avoiding it which lead him to say "I can't believe you NaruSaku fans see Naruto in such a negative light by disregarding Hinata's feelings like that." :/. Also mentioned his pained expression, apparently meant nothing he was just sad his best friend is hurting for loving a criminal. And 615 proves Naruto now has feelings for her, I guess. NaruSaku is no longer a possibility or one-sided. The funny thing is when I argued that the confession proved Naruto loves Sakura still by blushing in the beginning and how he was angry and hurt when she was about to say she loved him while hugging him was what he completely ignored; he had no answer to that which is why he ignored it lol. Though a blush doesn't mean he still loves her I guess.

I quickly realized I was dealing with an entirely arrogant NaruHina fan who purposely selectively reads and ignores what ever goes against him. There were at least four things that weren't up for interpretation that he denied which actually made me laugh:

~Those character charts are entirely unreliable because there's no way Kishi would do that. (I loled. Sounds more like "I don't wanna believe it so I'm denying it's existence" to me )
~That wasn't an Editor's Note in 615, Naruto actually said "I won't let go of that hand!", referring to Hinata and his "newfound feelings for her".
~ No one in the background was blushing when Sakura hugged Naruto in the Pain arc. ( ... )
~ Sakura being confused doesn't mean love and it's an inaccurate source anyway, since it also said Kakashi could cut through lightening at light-speed.

It was at this point, I was done. I bluntly told him he was being overcocky and disrespectful, also making himself looking like a fool in denying those four particular things which weakened his debating even more. Finally I said don't be surprised again if Kishi trolls you once more. Then I ignored him. Yet he left a comment on my YT channel which I still refuse to look at. It'd would only be BS or a sense that he "won" when I seriously was only getting sick of his denial.

Speaking of some NaruHina fans, I realized that despite the 616 troll, they are still as arrogant and victory bashing as ever. Literally, it's a mess. They're everywhere and you can't even ignore it. Funny, I thought they would quiet down after 616 but they're still just as bad. I actually saw two pro-NaruHina comments on a NaruSaku video with 21 likes and the other with 20. Seriously, what is happening with this fandom? Were they this bad when Hinata confessed to Naruto? Or is it worse now? I wasn't deep into the Naruto fandom back then. It's so immature!


Oh and about Sakura's love for Sasuke, I have mixed feelings over it. I feel like it's more sincere than Hinata's hero worship of Naruto, but at the same time they're in the same vein. Both selfish loves (Sakura forced her feelings on Sasuke, Hinata uses her love to better herself) and both falling in love with an image. Hinata, I really struggle to see genuine love here. If it was genuine, she would actually express an interest in Naruto's problems and try to get to know him. You could say she's shy but that shouldn't stop her if she truly cared enough. Mostly, it's always about her feelings and how she wants him to notice her. At least Sakura tried to get to know Sasuke and actually cared enough, she tried to support him and get him to soften up a little. It was never without effort, demonstrated far more strongly than Hinata's "devotion" to Naruto (This is coming from a rabid SS hater who actually hates it more than NH). I always say she knew him, but she didn't know him. Sakura knew his desire for revenge but never why it was there and she knew his calm and cool exterior which is what she fell in love with. However, Sasuke never let her in or opened up to her. Never. Therefore, she couldn't understand him or his problems. His doubts, his fears, Sakura knew little to nothing about the inner Sasuke. It was always his cold outer shell she was faced with. I think even Sakura can see she can't really understand him or ever truly knew him on a deep, personal level.

Her relationship and love for Naruto is drastically different, strictly because of how very un-Sasuke like he is. However, in both cases, her romantic love for her teammates have one thing in common. Sakura has a very strong instinctual urge to always be there for them and nurture them, no matter what. She tries so hard to understand them so she can connect to them on a deeper level and support them even more. That's the similiarity between SasuSaku and NaruSaku on Sakura's side. However, unlike with Sasuke, she succeded almost entirely with Naruto. This is because he's a very open individual and pretty emotional; he loves her so he's less resistent to her efforts. This is why Sakura knows Naruto inside and out as well as she does, far more than she ever did Sasuke. Naruto doesn't push her away as heavily and frequent as he did. It's even more obvious in how Sakura and Naruto hang out with each other all the time, outside of missions, without Sai or Kakashi. She could never accomplish that with Sasuke, he usually dismissed her. (It also didn't help that Sakura continually approached him in a flirting and fangirl way. It was hard to naturally hang out with her when all she would do is flirty advances).

Though I will say this. Naruto still pushes her away to some extent, just not in an obvious or in rude way (minus the confession). He doesn't tell her everything because of his innate selflessness (not burdening her with his problems) and the protective wall he's so known for. Sakura is aware of this but it's very obvious that's she's getting closer to getting him to fully open up to her like she wants him to.

Here's my recommendation to you don't debate with NH fans at YT it's not worth it, its nothing but a waste of time. Especially fans like VJ78G who to this day is still cheering for ch 615 about NH being canon. Ignore them and let them continue to have their dream fantasy.

Edited by Gravenimage, 07 February 2013 - 11:33 AM.

[Don-kun]

Sadly, this is alone kind of blurs the line between what is actually there and what we want to see. Yeah, you feel differently about it, but factually I could prove it all wrong. Just saying. Reminds me of the argument I had with Darkrerst about whether or not Sakura is insecure about herself. I argued that she isn't given what we know in 573, he argued she was, giving events before that chapter. Who is right?

Agree to disagree, I guess. I could keep throwing points at you, but it won't change your mind. So I won't try.

The NH might be the same and perceive that Hinata is closer to Naruto than Sakura was to Sasuke.



Yeah, she tried, but she never got close enough mostly because he wouldn't let her into his life.

That bolded is a good point. The Sasuke she thought he was wasn't Sasuke in the first place. It was Naruto. I think that why NS fans believe this will come into importance later on. It's such a scene that had altered the views of Sakura and made her believe in a lie.

But James this is what you are failing to see, Chatte is accepting that both girls feelings are shallow, but in some ways Sakura feelings haves a little more basis, Sakura try to know Sasuke behind the perfect image she had of him, she find out about the massacre and she try to say something about contrary with Hinata she doesn't care about Naruto in a personal level or his problems.

Something else we could say about Sasuke and Sakura is that Sasuke admit that he thought he could start a new life with them and live like a family but in the end he chose revenge since he cannot keep pretending that everything is fine when Itachi is out there.

So yes both girls fall in love with the idea of their crush but the angst between Sakura and Sasuke kind of change that view a little and give Sakura a stronger basis, otherwise the Author would of never call Hinata feelings admiration while calling Sakura and Karin feelings love.

We can admit that Sasuke himself destroyed but pairings but you cannot deny what was there before, maybe not love from Sasuke side but there was a bond and friendship. With NH Neji needed to die for Naruto to really notice Hinata, that in itself is terrible.

Edited by Don-kun, 07 February 2013 - 01:37 PM.

[Chatte]

But James this is what you are failing to see, Chatte is accepting that both girls feelings are shallow, but in some ways Sakura feelings haves a little more basis, Sakura try to know Sasuke behind the perfect image she had of him, she find out about the massacre and she try to say something about contrary with Hinata she doesn't care about Naruto in a personal level or his problems.

Something else we could say about Sasuke and Sakura is that Sasuke admit that he thought he could start a new life with them and live like a family but in the end he chose revenge since he cannot keep pretending that everything is fine when Itachi is out there.

So yes both girls fall in love with the idea of their crush but the angst between Sakura and Sasuke kind of change that view a little and give Sakura a stronger basis, otherwise the Author would of never call Hinata feelings admiration while calling Sakura and Karin feelings love.

We can admit that Sasuke himself destroyed but pairings but you cannot deny what was there before, maybe not love from Sasuke side but there was a bond and friendship. With NH Neji needed to die for Naruto to really notice Hinata, that in itself is terrible.

Exactly. She tried to understand more about his revenge, why he wants to have it so on and so forth. She even told him that even if he will do it, it will never bring anyone happiness, which she was right about. Sakura, unlike Hinata, tried to get more implied in Sasuke's life to see how she could be of help to him, that's why she said she would do anything for him, try to have fun every day in some new ways, etc. Things we have never seen with Hinata. Not even trying to understand what it meant for Naruto his nindo. Not trying to actively imply herself in helping him with his nindo like Sakura did with Sasuke's revenge.
And that is one point more in why I like Sakura more than Hinata. Because in both cases, she tried to not make it about herself, she offered herself for both of them, didn't took their goals and build herself on them, like Hinata took Naruto's nindo to make it better for herself.
Dunno if you guys understand what I'm trying to say, given that sometimes I find it hard to express it in English, but anyway, hope you do.

[luffyq1]

But James this is what you are failing to see, Chatte is accepting that both girls feelings are shallow, but in some ways Sakura feelings haves a little more basis, Sakura try to know Sasuke behind the perfect image she had of him, she find out about the massacre and she try to say something about contrary with Hinata she doesn't care about Naruto in a personal level or his problems.

Something else we could say about Sasuke and Sakura is that Sasuke admit that he thought he could start a new life with them and live like a family but in the end he chose revenge since he cannot keep pretending that everything is fine when Itachi is out there.

So yes both girls fall in love with the idea of their crush but the angst between Sakura and Sasuke kind of change that view a little and give Sakura a stronger basis, otherwise the Author would of never call Hinata feelings admiration while calling Sakura and Karin feelings love.

We can admit that Sasuke himself destroyed but pairings but you cannot deny what was there before, maybe not love from Sasuke side but there was a bond and friendship. With NH Neji needed to die for Naruto to really notice Hinata, that in itself is terrible.