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Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:38 PM

If you guys were to make ObiRin parallel happen with Sakura in presence, how would you write it? Remember, conclude where the latest chapter left off.

 

Maybe have Sakura heal Naruto like how Rin does with Obito and he hears her say something similar to what Rin says to him.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:10 PM

Really nice responses. You know, I would say mine but I recall in the latest podcast that once I do, I'll "doom us all". When the arc ends, I will share my thoughts. That said it is funny that the Rin is not yet covered. It's like we always cover the best friend to village aspects but nothing on the love of your life. We'll see.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:13 PM

There are three ways that I thought about. I'll say my favorite.

 

After few chapters, like 3 or 4 chapters, focused on Sasuke and Naruto fighting Obito and on the alliance, Obito will be shown more nervous about the time being finished for the plan to work finally. Then Obito make his final move of attack or attacks Naruto and Sasuke with a heavy blow, and they fall on the ground. Sakura notices the blow and goes rushing to Naruto and Sasuke, but goes to Naruto first.

Sakura immediately is showed concerned of Naruto, begin healing him and say something that is close to what Rin said to him once " I'll always watch over you " or " I'll keep my eyes over you ". Forgot what Rin said exactly, but it's very close to those two, and don't know if it's filler. Obito sees and hears, and he remembers Rin and her saying that is close to the one of what Sakura said to Naruto, and the next panel of when Rin was healing the hand of Obito.

 

That's it XD

 

Ah yes!! That's one of my favorite as well. I always thought that her sentence at that time had a huge impact on Obito (and not to mention she looked really nice in that panel). I hope it happens  :wub:


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:22 PM

^ I wouldn't mind if Sakura says that to Naruto, because Obito always seems angry when he's reminded of his life before Tobi.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:33 PM

That idea does sound like it can work heavily. I mean that moment for Obito was really highlighted in that chapter and even woke him up. Stuff like that makes you really show the value of person's quote. Oh boy, don't miss this opportunity, Kishi. It's not about feeding NaruSaku ego, because we really don't need it, but it's about connecting the plot points to the story. I can only hope.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:40 PM

That idea does sound like it can work heavily. I mean that moment for Obito was really highlighted in that chapter and even woke him up. Stuff like that makes you really show the value of person's quote. Oh boy, don't miss this opportunity, Kishi. It's not about feeding NaruSaku ego, because we really don't need it, but it's about connecting the plot points to the story. I can only hope.

Yeah, Obito was shown surprised at what Rin said is known that it's very possible to be remembered later by that character that has taken the moment into the heart.

 

I think that Kishi will use that moment with Obito later.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:43 PM

I haven't been on for a bit due to work but I'm excited to see the coming battle. Don't suspect we could get another Tuesday chapter like last week surprised us?

 

Anyways as for NS, things really are looking up at it, I mean one simple notion, Sakura has been worried about Naruto more than ever, and I find it kinda funny so many people ignore this. It really could be a case that Sakura is starting to worry more about Naruto than she realizes. She is worried for his well-being, I mean people blasted her for being concerned twice over his use of power? She just didn't want him to overexert himself. By any other name, this is just her caring for Naruto, she just doesn't want to see him hurt or do everything himself if he goes too far. Sakura has faith but is also concerned about Naruto I mean how could she not be? He has a great amount of promise in all the stuff he does but also many risks to the power he holds, Naruto is strong but not invincible, he is still human. I liked the post Chatte made about Sakura being concerned for the human side of Naruto, because she always saw that part of him, never feared him for the nine tails part. Even when she saw how horrible the 9 tails transformation could impact him along with being hunted by the akaskuti, well that only improved her friendship with him to make sure he never got harmed. As this fight goes on, even in action mode, I won't be surprised if we see even more with Sakura as we already have.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:44 PM

That idea does sound like it can work heavily. I mean that moment for Obito was really highlighted in that chapter and even woke him up. Stuff like that makes you really show the value of person's quote. Oh boy, don't miss this opportunity, Kishi. It's not about feeding NaruSaku ego, because we really don't need it, but it's about connecting the plot points to the story. I can only hope.

Bolded, you said it! : D I really want the parallel now because it would be a way to not make all the Rin panels go to waste. :/ I don't see how Kishi can use them in any other way, and the TnJ will go more smoothly because Rin seems to be his only soft spot left. Catch your enemy at his weakpoint, you know.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:51 PM

Does anyone think it's possible though, that Kishi may use Rin for Obito's redemption without bringing Sakura into the picture, or explicitly confirming the parallel? Does anyone have any ideas on how this could be done? I think it's something that could happen, I just don't know how. :umm:


Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 14 October 2013 - 07:52 PM.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:55 PM

Yeah, Obito was shown surprised at what Rin said is known that it's very possible to be remembered later by that character that has taken the moment into the heart.

 

I think that Kishi will use that moment with Obito later.

 

Bolded, you said it! : D I really want the parallel now because it would be a way to not make all the Rin panels go to waste. :/ I don't see how Kishi can use them in any other way, and the TnJ will go more smoothly because Rin seems to be his only soft spot left. Catch your enemy at his weakpoint, you know.

Ok, I have to reread Obito's flashback and I'm convinced that it must happen. It's also worth noting that his team was definitely precious to him as each of them represented the same as Naruto sees back in fighting Gaara. That said it would seem like once Kakashi shows up, in my opinion, it's a must to bring Sakura into the scene. I don't know if Sasuke's part from Naruto will get covered, but in a way, it doesn't need to be as well as Kakashi. Sakura, on the other hand, has to be because this is one part that Obito has not covered, which also something he hasn't say it out loud. Kakashi knows it and that's why I think he's a game changer. Naruto doesn't know, but he's way too focused on ending the war, which you can't blame him. Plus, he always hated his guts since Kage Summit Arc, recalling how he's much worse than Nagato.

 

Does anyone think it's possible though, that Kishi may use Rin for Obito's redemption without bringing Sakura into the picture, or explicitly confirming the parallel? Does anyone have any ideas on how this could be done? I think it's something that could happen, I just don't know how. :umm:

This job is up to Naruto and even the latest chapter confirms it. Obito wants answers before the world ends. It only annoys him, because there's nothing that screams, "We're like brothers, we can relate."

 

Edit: Whoops, I read Kakashi instead of Kishi. Sorry. To answer you, maybe but the parallel is inevitable.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:57 PM

Does anyone think it's possible though, that Kishi may use Rin for Obito's redemption without bringing Sakura into the picture, or explicitly confirming the parallel? Does anyone have any ideas on how this could be done? I think it's something that could happen, I just don't know how. :umm:

Yeah, I have a thought on that one too.

 

Obito may very well already know that Sakura is Naruto's love. So, Obito, for the reason that brings him to say that, could say that he knows that that girl Sakura or your pink haired friend is how much loved by you and that she reminds him of Rin with a possible glance at her.


Edited by T XD, 14 October 2013 - 08:01 PM.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:06 PM

Does anyone think it's possible though, that Kishi may use Rin for Obito's redemption without bringing Sakura into the picture, or explicitly confirming the parallel? Does anyone have any ideas on how this could be done? I think it's something that could happen, I just don't know how. :umm:

Of course, but I couldn't imagine it in any other way.

 

First of all because Sakura would naturally pop up in Naruto's head after hearing ObiRin's story, he probably won't even tell Obito that it's Sakura. A simple "I know how you feel" is enough and very in character. I think the redemption will be easier to write if Sakura is used as a symbol/example, her piece is already there and you can either connect it so everything fits or you have to fill in the puzzle with someone else. That might be someone he has already lost(Jiraiya, his parents etc), because if Obito somehow asks Naruto if he can relate to him, he will not say "Have you ever lost your girlfriend?", he will say "Have you ever lost someone so precious it turns your world upside down?". The problem is that I feel like those examples are already used up. Those challenges are over so he may need to experience something new just to refresh the feeling..the temptation for hate and revenge.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:06 PM

Yeah, I have a thought on that one too.

 

Obito may very well already know that Sakura is Naruto's love. So, Obito, for the reason that brings him to say that, could say that he knows that that girl Sakura or your pink haired friend is how much loved by you and that she reminds him of Rin with a possible glance at her.

Not yet. Again, none of Obito's words has tackled him and Rin yet. Only Kakashi because he knows him and it's the only one that asked why. Minato doesn't understand why Obito became this way, only to get shot down by him with all the guilt/regrets placed on him. Naruto has no clue but only there to respond for himself, not drawing a connection like he did with Nagato. That said it doesn't appear Obito knows Sakura being Naruto's love. Otherwise, it would have been brought up, especially saying like, "Your friends will die eventually and your love will follow the same. You will lose everything." Remember, Obito was heavily effected by her death. If the use of panels of her weren't as many as of now, then I wouldn't think the parallel could be addressed as a way to connect the bridge, but now, I'm strongly convinced.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:13 PM

Not yet. Again, none of Obito's words has tackled him and Rin yet. Only Kakashi because he knows him and it's the only one that asked why. Minato doesn't understand why Obito became this way, only to get shot down by him with all the guilt/regrets placed on him. Naruto has no clue but only there to respond for himself, not drawing a connection like he did with Nagato. That said it doesn't appear Obito knows Sakura being Naruto's love. Otherwise, it would have been brought up, especially saying like, "Your friends will die eventually and your love will follow the same. You will lose everything." Remember, Obito was heavily effected by her death. If the use of panels of her weren't as many as of now, then I wouldn't think the parallel could be addressed as a way to connect the bridge, but now, I'm strongly convinced.

I don't think that Sakura wouldn't be putted in the picture for the OR parallel, but even if she wasn't in the picture, the OR parallel can still happen when Obito sees the interaction and/or some words said from one to the other or both.

 

One of the reasons I think Sakura will be in the picture cause it's a time when she sees again, but in a more direct way, how much Naruto loves her and what he has to say when TnJ has the turn. The latter if she'll know about the TnJ and hears it.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:20 PM

Of course, but I couldn't imagine it in any other way.

 

First of all because Sakura would naturally pop up in Naruto's head after hearing ObiRin's story, he probably won't even tell Obito that it's Sakura. A simple "I know how you feel" is enough and very in character. I think the redemption will be easier to write if Sakura is used as a symbol/example, her piece is already there and you can either connect it so everything fits or you have to fill in the puzzle with someone else. That might be someone he has already lost(Jiraiya, his parents etc), because if Obito somehow asks Naruto if he can relate to him, he will not say "Have you ever lost your girlfriend?", he will say "Have you ever lost someone so precious it turns your world upside down?". The problem is that I feel like those examples are already used up. Those challenges are over so he may need to experience something new just to refresh the feeling..the temptation for hate and revenge.

 

I agree. Jiraiya or Naruto's parents wouldn't really work as an example in this case, not that it doesn't compare, it's just not quite the same as far as the situation. I don't know how or if it will happen, but Sakura's apparent death (I say apparent because she would appear to die, but not actually. I don't want her to die and get revived. :pinch:  Got enough of that in the Pein arc.) could act as a catalyst, if Naruto really does need to experience the same pain as Obito to fully understand him, since understanding one another is such a big theme here. Naruto does need a new challenge though, something to really push him to the edge of his endurance and overcome by his own power.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:26 PM

I don't think that Sakura wouldn't be putted in the picture for the OR parallel, but even if she wasn't in the picture, the OR parallel can still happen when Obito sees the interaction and/or some words said from one to the other or both.

 

One of the reasons I think Sakura will be in the picture cause it's a time when she sees again, but in a more direct way, how much Naruto loves her and what he has to say when TnJ has the turn. The latter if she'll know about the TnJ and hears it.

To me, the parallel is inevitable, but the question remains if it will be the trump card for this war to end in a lighter note for Obito. As I said in my old post, the idea will always come around for Naruto because he either learns it from Obito, Kakashi, Minato, or just don't at all, but only Obito or anyone else to confirm without letting Naruto to know, much similar to Sakura/Kushina parallel. So this is the only one that's hard to determine until this next chapter is out. If the attack fails, I have once said but now it may not happen thanks to me actually saying it haha, that the next moment should be everyone getting slaughtered as Naruto tries to recover but keeps falling. I noticed Sasuke was saved by his chakra, but he too must watch out for anything. I can see him get up quickly, but Naruto is what I'm worried. Again, now it may not happen, but I do want this to happen just to make finale to the war more realistic and more satisfying to the end. Or maybe I played too many games and watch a recent anime to make me this way. But seriously, a downfall before the "IT'S FINALLY OVER!!" moment kicks in.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:56 PM

It must be sakura and no one else.
As soon as chapter 599 happen, I always thought that sakura will play a very important role in this war arc, because her presence alone is important as she's naruto love interest and rin parallel.
And I predict the parallel will be epic, I mean when obito hug rin dead body, you must know something bad would happen to sakura.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:05 PM

It must be sakura and no one else.
As soon as chapter 599 happen, I always thought that sakura will play a very important role in this war arc, because her presence alone is important as she's naruto love interest and rin parallel.
And I predict the parallel will be epic, I mean when obito hug rin dead body, you must know something bad would happen to sakura.

Not really, but I can imagine Naruto holding Sakura like that.


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Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:05 PM

It must be sakura and no one else.
As soon as chapter 599 happen, I always thought that sakura will play a very important role in this war arc, because her presence alone is important as she's naruto love interest and rin parallel.
And I predict the parallel will be epic, I mean when obito hug rin dead body, you must know something bad would happen to sakura.

Yeah, it's only matter of time if it does in fact plays a big part. This next chapter, hopefully it doesn't end with "The attack is a hit or miss!?!?!", could very well tells us where this volume is taking us to. Will Kakashi show up in the next chapter? Will Obito move out and start annihilating everyone in the battlefield? Will Sakura get dragged in as she is responsible to save all? Will Naruto successfully TnJ Obito? Way too many questions but I do look forward to what's next after the chapter.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:42 PM

I was thinking (and discussing with a friend) Sakura's words to Shikamaru, that she's going to save him because Naruto needs him, and when first reading that and now when thinking about it I have two reactions.

  1. I'm just so proud of her, of how far she's come, how selfless she's become.  She's turned into the perfect ninja in some ways, unconcerned for herself, unconcerned with glory, with credit.  She wants to do what she can do to contributed to the joint effort --she no longer cares for accolades.  It's really incredible.
  2. It also indicates that she still doesn't quite realize how much Naruto cares for her and how much Naruto needs her.  I think those words alone, the emotion that would be behind those words (knowing Sakura) is an indication that Chiyo's advice to Sakura hasn't been forgotten by Kishi.  At this point, it's easy to see a scenario in which Sakura puts herself/her life in danger for Naruto.  I don't know when it'll happen, how it'll happen, or even if it'll happen, but I with the way things are going I could see it happening at some point, in some way.  For a while it seemed really far-fetched, but now if it happens it will have been built up to for sure over the recent few volumes.

 

 

Does anyone think it's possible though, that Kishi may use Rin for Obito's redemption without bringing Sakura into the picture, or explicitly confirming the parallel? Does anyone have any ideas on how this could be done? I think it's something that could happen, I just don't know how. :umm:

 

It's certainly possible, it just doesn't seem to fit Kishi's recent writing style which hasn't been all that subtle.  Haha.

 

 

Yeah, I have a thought on that one too.

 

Obito may very well already know that Sakura is Naruto's love. So, Obito, for the reason that brings him to say that, could say that he knows that that girl Sakura or your pink haired friend is how much loved by you and that she reminds him of Rin with a possible glance at her.

 

I actually don't think Obito is aware of Naruto's feelings for Sakura, and the reason is the very specific NS interactions we have had --Sakura's intimate speech during which she spoke for Naruto, the NS-Minato interactions in 631, the exchange between those two in 631-- occurred specifically while Obito was away.  It's almost as if Kishi doesn't want Obito to be aware of Naruto's feelings for Sakura yet, as if his feelings for Sakura will be shown to be important in converting Obito.  It might not happen, but I just found the way Kishi approached that quite interesting.  I vaguely recall some people saying it almost seems that Naruto's avoiding interacting with Sakura to protect her, I don't think so, I think Kishi has purposefully been holding back on their interactions while Obito is around, so that when he finds out about Naruto's feelings for Sakura it'll be especially meaningful but I'm probably totally and completely wrong.






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