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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:55 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Feb 6 2013, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seriously, every single time... facepalm.png

Maybe I'm confused with the term easter egg, but the reason I used it was so people didn't take the comment to seriously. It's just a simple curiosity. When was I telling people "Look, this is evidence. NS is canon, heck yeah!"?

I didn't mention this to start a lengthly conversation about the implications of spandex within the story. It's just a simple comment about a coincidence that you can take as you will. It's not meant to be used in arguments.


I know... that's why I put the " tongue.gif " face there.... arg.gif I guess I need to just stop getting involved with joking since it's taken so seriously.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:03 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Feb 6 2013, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seriously, every single time... facepalm.png

Maybe I'm confused with the term easter egg, but the reason I used it was so people didn't take the comment to seriously. It's just a simple curiosity. When was I telling people "Look, this is evidence. NS is canon, heck yeah!"?

I didn't mention this to start a lengthly conversation about the implications of spandex within the story. It's just a simple comment about a coincidence that you can take as you will. It's not meant to be used in arguments.


100% agreed. Comparing Hinata to Kushina over such shallow pretenses like "long hair" or whatever is just ridiculous. Same with Sakura and this "spandex" argument lol or "they both had long hair at one point." It's insignificant details that likely don't mean anything at all and shows you're really grasping for straws. It's just a concidence and anyway, why try that badly to make Sakura and Hinata into a Kushina duplicate? They aren't at all and people need to remember this. I always see arguments from NaruHina fans about hair length or the fact that they both risked their lives for him or were kidnapped by Cloud nin. I can never take these seriously. Tsunade has long hair too, does that mean she'll end up with Naruto? rolleyes.gif Many people risk their lives for Naruto, not just her. And the cloud nin ... was just a power struggle, nothing more.

Even they have to realize that Kushina and Hinata have the barest minimium possible in common. If it wasn't pairing-related and Kushina never said the "Find a girl like your mother", they wouldn't be trying so hard to compare them and probably say Kushina's like Sakura. It's their pairing bias that gets in the way.

Reminds me of that time when a video from TokyoKit was posted and it was pointed out that a Sakura flower is on the narutomaki, immediately a NH fan flipped out and criticized us like we actually think it's proof lol. We're not that desperate to use it for evidence, I don't think. laugh.gif

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:30 AM

@redragon88 and kirabook: Now now, we make mistakes at times. Let bygone be bygone. That said funny Easter egg. There's more but again, just poking some fun.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:24 AM

Question for you guys, even though I already can guess the answer. I was debating with a NH fan the other day on YT and while he was arguing that there isn't any proof Naruto ever loved Sakura (lmao. Just sayin.') so of course, I pulled out those two character relationship charts that confirmed Naruto did love her. Funnily enough, he said Kishimoto didn't create those and there is a small chance he did.

I'm already positive the Kishimoto did release those himself but just to be on the safe side, Kishimoto did actually create those for the public, right? happy.gif

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:35 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 6 2013, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Question for you guys, even though I already can guess the answer. I was debating with a NH fan the other day on YT and while he was arguing that there isn't any proof Naruto ever loved Sakura (lmao. Just sayin.') so of course, I pulled out those two character relationship charts that confirmed Naruto did love her. Funnily enough, he said Kishimoto didn't create those and there is a small chance he did.

I'm already positive the Kishimoto did release those himself but just to be on the safe side, Kishimoto did actually create those for the public, right? happy.gif


They don't call them "Official Databooks" for nothing.

Then tell him if they are not true, then I guess Hinata really doesn't love Naruto cause it says that in the book too. Oh excuse me "Infatuated." *rolls eyes*
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:42 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 6 2013, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Question for you guys, even though I already can guess the answer. I was debating with a NH fan the other day on YT and while he was arguing that there isn't any proof Naruto ever loved Sakura (lmao. Just sayin.') so of course, I pulled out those two character relationship charts that confirmed Naruto did love her. Funnily enough, he said Kishimoto didn't create those and there is a small chance he did.

I'm already positive the Kishimoto did release those himself but just to be on the safe side, Kishimoto did actually create those for the public, right? happy.gif


I really don't understand why people, especially those in the rival pairings, ignore the databooks, where the information about the characters, jutsus, worlds, etc. written in full detail on a certain point from Kishimoto in order to give the fans and audiences a better understanding about the story. Sometimes, they keep on saying that the databooks "contradict" with the manga, especially on the recent chapters.

Aren't databooks or better yet, encyclopedias, suppose to contain information about a topic for research and data?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:59 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 7 2013, 02:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Question for you guys, even though I already can guess the answer. I was debating with a NH fan the other day on YT and while he was arguing that there isn't any proof Naruto ever loved Sakura (lmao. Just sayin.') so of course, I pulled out those two character relationship charts that confirmed Naruto did love her. Funnily enough, he said Kishimoto didn't create those and there is a small chance he did.

I'm already positive the Kishimoto did release those himself but just to be on the safe side, Kishimoto did actually create those for the public, right? happy.gif

At that point you say your done... He's getting weaker so it's no fun. XD *Toasty would know this reference*

But yeah, if Kishi didn't make them, then they likely wouldn't exist. Seriously, James hit the nail on the head though, their called "official" for a reason.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:24 AM

Well, if we want be fair in taking those references as canon, we have to account for the whole databook blurb about Sakura 'filling Sasuke's lonely existence'. >_>

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:34 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Feb 6 2013, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, if we want be fair in taking those references as canon, we have to account for the whole databook blurb about Sakura 'filling Sasuke's lonely existence'. >_>


I actually never understood that....

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:37 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Feb 6 2013, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, if we want be fair in taking those references as canon, we have to account for the whole databook blurb about Sakura 'filling Sasuke's lonely existence'. >_>

Ah, but the problem is that the USA audience doesn't know about it. Also, it can be interpreted in many ways without saying,"But why Sakura? What does she mean to him?" In short, when compare to Sakura's profile from the 3rd one and Sasuke 2nd (?), it's a big different. I find it funny USA don't get the older ones as it to say "Latest one is more reliable than the rest." But yeah, take it what it is.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:37 AM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Feb 6 2013, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, if we want be fair in taking those references as canon, we have to account for the whole databook blurb about Sakura 'filling Sasuke's lonely existence'. >_>


But wasn't that retconned by the time we got towards Shippuden/3rd databook? Or the fan translation forgot to add the verb, try?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:38 AM

SOmetimes Kishi likes to use metaphors, it doesn't really mean it's like that. Example? Amaterasu being hot like the sun. If that were true, when Itachi and Sasuke fought there would be no surroundings.
That 'filled his lonely existence' was to show that Sasuke appreciated her love and concern for him, he was not that prick, however, he doesn't need that at the moment or something like that, you get the idea.
Databooks ARE official no matter what people think.
Also, Hinata's case of abduction isn't similar to Kushina's. Kumo wanted Kushina especially because of her chakra, but with the Byakugan, they happened to get Hinata. They didn't want Hinata especially since the Byakugan has the same properties. They could've had anyone else, it didn't change the matter, however, with Kushina, theyw anted HER especially.
IF they would've wanted Hinata for her special Byakugan, they rather have had Neji's which is better.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:48 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Feb 6 2013, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
SOmetimes Kishi likes to use metaphors, it doesn't really mean it's like that. Example? Amaterasu being hot like the sun. If that were true, when Itachi and Sasuke fought there would be no surroundings.
That 'filled his lonely existence' was to show that Sasuke appreciated her love and concern for him, he was not that prick, however, he doesn't need that at the moment or something like that, you get the idea.
Databooks ARE official no matter what people think.
Also, Hinata's case of abduction isn't similar to Kushina's. Kumo wanted Kushina especially because of her chakra, but with the Byakugan, they happened to get Hinata. They didn't want Hinata especially since the Byakugan has the same properties. They could've had anyone else, it didn't change the matter, however, with Kushina, theyw anted HER especially.
IF they would've wanted Hinata for her special Byakugan, they rather have had Neji's which is better.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:48 AM

Taking things too literal isn't always good, but claiming some things are true while others aren't is worst. If we accept one thing, we have to accept everything else. Now the latest databook may claim Hinata has a "infatuation", but it came out before Hinata's confession, so we really don't know anymore if Kishi still claims it's "infatuation" or "love". One thing we know for fact though, is Naruto still loves Sakura and we don't need proof of that

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:06 AM

QUOTE (MangaReader @ Feb 6 2013, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Taking things too literal isn't always good, but claiming some things are true while others aren't is worst. If we accept one thing, we have to accept everything else. Now the latest databook may claim Hinata has a "infatuation", but it came out before Hinata's confession, so we really don't know anymore if Kishi still claims it's "infatuation" or "love". One thing we know for fact though, is Naruto still loves Sakura and we don't need proof of that


To be honest, and this is my personal opinion, 615-616 proved it to be infatuation. Sorry, but the fangirling thing is like a thorn in the side.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:12 AM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Feb 7 2013, 05:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be honest, and this is my personal opinion, 615-616 proved it to be infatuation. Sorry, but the fangirling thing is like a thorn in the side.

That's clear to me as well XD But me being a tad bit cautious... I'll say it's love for now

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:33 AM

If in the next databook, if there will be one, Kishi writes love on Hinata, than I clearly say he has no idea what love is. :|

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:46 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Feb 6 2013, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If in the next databook, if there will be one, Kishi writes love on Hinata, than I clearly say he has no idea what love is. :|

If that were to happen, then please allow me to eat my own words. But I must say I may agree with James about Hinata and chapters 615-616. Time will tell to see who's right or wrong.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:46 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Feb 6 2013, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If in the next databook, if there will be one, Kishi writes love on Hinata, than I clearly say he has no idea what love is. :|

It says that Sakura loves Sasuke in the databooks, and her feelings for him are just as superficial as Hinata's feelings for Naruto. sleep.gif


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:54 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 6 2013, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If that were to happen, then please allow me to eat my own words. But I must say I may agree with James about Hinata and chapters 615-616. Time will tell to see who's right or wrong.


Ditto. I would also eat my words too.
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