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[Gaara's hair]

I always thought Kishi would struggle with the story due to having to many characters.

[T XD]

I see Kishi already struggling at the time being in the manga, and not just about having too many characters.

He got to make most of the side characters shine in a way or another, have those four kages answer Sasuke with some unexpected explanations and shows us how they are, tries to shows us Sasuke's true inward self, and shifting back to the battle and make second round of it with who knows what he'll do and what he got of surprises.

I think that Kishi is trying to make the manga as interesting as he can XD

Edited by T XD, 06 February 2013 - 09:54 PM.

[Slextrem]

Fixed. XD

lol. I have to laugh because this sounds a lot like the same mistake Kishi is doing now. He has introduced so many characters that he lost focus on the three most important characters: Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke. Mostly Naruto and Sakura.

Because of all the characters we have to stop and hear their side of the story. Some characters were good and their story was amazing, but some just...I don't know how it helped the story at all. There were some scenes I found completely unnecessary during this Fourth Shinobi War arc and it has caused the story to stall in some areas. It would have been cool if it was entertaining, but most of the time it really wasn't. It was okay, but half the time I find myself wanting to get it over with.

I am eager to move on and see the Naruto vs Sasuke fight now because I know Sakura will play a major role in it.

That's incredibly funny and sad at the same time.


The problem is not that he has too many characters, but that he's given so many of them detailed backgrounds that he feels need to be addressed. That's what's been taking away from the main plot. He simply has too much on his plate right now... Sometimes, it feels like he's bending to the will of the fans. I feel like not all of his characters were meant to have so much focus, but because the audience fell in love with them, he feels compelled to include them more than he originally intended. I wish he wouldn't.

I'm just as eager to move on from all of this. I miss the way the focus used to primarily stay on Team Seven.

Edited by Slextrem, 06 February 2013 - 09:55 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

The problem is not that he has too many characters, but that he's given so many of them detailed backgrounds that he feels need to be addressed. That's what's been taking away from the main plot. He simply has too much on his plate right now... Sometimes, it feels like he's bending to the will of the fans. I feel like not all of his characters were meant to have so much focus, but because the audience fell in love with them, he feels compelled to include them more than he originally intended. I wish he wouldn't.

Exactly. 100% agree and as I told Zac, there are moments Kishi purposely did thing just because the fans wanted something more.

Bolded: I think it is a combo of both. There are too many characters with...well, character.

There have been characters that got one moment in the manga and we never hear from them again. Anybody ever care about Mifune and his battle with Hanzo? We probably could have skipped that and nothing would have changed. It would have been a cool fight, but it really was completely unnecessary. So much so that Mifune has not made a reappearance since then and it really didn't add to the story.

I'm just as eager to move on from all of this. I miss the way the focus used to primarily stay on Team Seven.

Me too. To be honest, I got so tired of Hinata I missed Sasuke...and I hate Sasuke's story XD

Edited by James S Cassidy, 06 February 2013 - 10:19 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, I do agree with slextrem on Bleach. While I am enjoying it again, the past mistakes really hurt the manga, hence the rating dropped and no longer part of the Shounen trio. If it keeps it low, we may unfortunately get a rushed ending. Also, I do agree that a lot of moments in FKT arc had moments where they should have died no matter what. At least in Naruto, they do die in a way people do get killed. Granted, they get revived at times, but at least they died. I think what bothers me is that Ichigo must relate to every villain in every arc. Why? It's not necessary. Next thing you know, Menma from RtN do a crossover and Ichigo happens to be an Uzumaki. He must be even with everyone he cross.

Anyway, yes, that's exactly why this arc felt forever because of multple focus on every characters, including the one we just know them a little from last arc. I want this arc to end before shifting to the last one, which hopefully it's all on Team 7. To me, it's building up for Naruto to do the impossible for Sasuke, especially now mental issue plays a role as if to say, "There's always a cure."

Also, I believed I said this already, but Kishi said this in interview that because he has many holes to fill for many others, he has the need to fill in. I guess he has a bad habit to close in everything. Like I said, we might learn many, many things. Example:

Hashirama: The idea of building the Hokage's face was mine!

Or

Hashirama: You know who brought ramen shop in Konoha? Me!

To be honest, I won't be surprised.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 February 2013 - 10:23 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

To me, it's building up for Naruto to do the impossible for Sasuke, especially now mental issue plays a role as if to say, "There's always a cure."

CAKE OR DEATH?

[六道仙人]

Hashirama spared Madara at the valley of end... I told you

[sushi.]

Also, I believed I said this already, but Kishi said this in interview that because he has many holes to fill for many others, he has the need to fill in. I guess he has a bad habit to close in everything. Like I said, we might learn many, many things. Example:

He can't to fill in someone that doesn't have a hole. He can choose not to create deep characters, so that he will not feel the need to explain their actions. Or he can just leave obvious hints, so we can say that their development happened off-panel. At least some of the tragic pasts are connected to the story, like most villains are about how the ninja system f**cked them up and made them evil.

[TouKen4Life3g]

CAKE OR DEATH?

Sasuke hates sweet. So...death?

Hashirama spared Madara at the valley of end... I told you

Funny that you said that because back at NF, there are speculations of that.

[T XD]

CAKE OR DEATH?

I don't see cake goes with Sasuke...so death

Edited by T XD, 06 February 2013 - 10:40 PM.

[六道仙人]

Sasuke hates sweet. So...death?


Funny that you said that because back at NF, there are speculations of that.

it was me indeeed

[Slextrem]

There are too many characters with...well, character.

There have been characters that got one moment in the manga and we never hear from them again. Anybody ever care about Mifune and his battle with Hanzo? We probably could have skipped that and nothing would have changed. It would have been a cool fight, but it really was completely unnecessary. So much so that Mifune has not made a reappearance since then and it really didn't add to the story.



Me too. To be honest, I got so tired of Hinata I missed Sasuke...and I hate Sasuke's story XD

Bolded: That's a good way to put it.

I feel kind of bad for faulting Kishimoto for that though. It's not a bad thing that he's extremely good at creating characters that the audience loves. I just wish he would hold off on introducing so many of them. If he has to bring them into the series that's fine, but stop giving them more attention than necessary.

Mifune is a great example. I really didn't care about watching his fight. Or Darui's. Or any of the other close-to-fodder-but-not-quite characters that Kishimoto has brought into the war. Heck, I was bored with Chouji's fight against Asuma. It's great that the kid finally got a moment where he looked confident in his abilities, but was it necessary? No. It's understandable that he got the attention, as he's one of the Rookies, but I feel that they get too much panel time as well. Granted, Chouji isn't one of the ones that always gets the spotlight, so I feel kind of bad for picking on his moment. You understand my point though, right?

I'm not a fan of Sasuke's story either. Been there, done that.
You're right though - it's better than having to watch Hinata.

[TouKen4Life3g]

it was me indeeed

Lol I should have known.

Bolded: That's a good way to put it.

I feel kind of bad for faulting Kishimoto for that though. It's not a bad thing that he's extremely good at creating characters that the audience loves. I just wish he would hold off on introducing so many of them. If he has to bring them into the series that's fine, but stop giving them more attention than necessary.

Mifune is a great example. I really didn't care about watching his fight. Or Darui's. Or any of the other close-to-fodder-but-not-quite characters that Kishimoto has brought into the war. Heck, I was bored with Chouji's fight against Asuma. It's great that the kid finally got a moment where he looked confident in his abilities, but was it necessary? No. It's understandable that he got the attention, as he's one of the Rookies, but I feel that they get too much panel time as well. Granted, Chouji isn't one of the ones that always gets the spotlight, so I feel kind of bad for picking on his moment. You understand my point though, right?

I'm not a fan of Sasuke's story either. Been there, done that.
You're right though - it's better than having to watch Hinata.

Lol wow, well let's hope what I said about side characters is true. What I said is that we are pretty much done with those guys and now shifting slowly to the main cast. We will completely once Sasuke and his henchmen (Frieza!) become the focus.

[James S Cassidy]

Bolded: That's a good way to put it.

I feel kind of bad for faulting Kishimoto for that though. It's not a bad thing that he's extremely good at creating characters that the audience loves. I just wish he would hold off on introducing so many of them. If he has to bring them into the series that's fine, but stop giving them more attention than necessary.

Mifune is a great example. I really didn't care about watching his fight. Or Darui's. Or any of the other close-to-fodder-but-not-quite characters that Kishimoto has brought into the war. Heck, I was bored with Chouji's fight against Asuma. It's great that the kid finally got a moment where he looked confident in his abilities, but was it necessary? No. It's understandable that he got the attention, as he's one of the Rookies, but I feel that they get too much panel time as well. Granted, Chouji isn't one of the ones that always gets the spotlight, so I feel kind of bad for picking on his moment. You understand my point though, right?

I'm not a fan of Sasuke's story either. Been there, done that.
You're right though - it's better than having to watch Hinata.

I know what you mean and how you feel. I don't blame Kishi for making likeable characters and I am glad he can, but the issue I feel is he is unable to decide what's really important to the story and what is just thought noise. Sometimes you have to sacrifice some things to make the story flow better and I feel that this stop and go tactic with giving side characters a chance to shine is starting to hurt the story a lot. (Sometimes it was even like "Stop, reverse, U-Turn, then Go. Like a driving course.)

I might even go far as to say that it's not the amount of moments, but the spacing of the moments.

Perhaps maybe, this is why Sakura is seen as being so thin in development. If her development was spread out a little more in the manga, perhaps it would have made a nicer flow. Instead we get like 6 months of nothing, but her, and then the next 6 months she is not even seen. It's not that she hasn't developed, but since we reached a point where she can't develop anymore up to that point without another story element we get this this block of nothing.

I hope I am making sense. Sakura is the best example I can give on what I am trying to say. We got a whole bunch of her development between The Pein Arc and right up to the War arc, but during it she hasn't gotten any, mostly because I believe she has reached a pinnacle of her development when her confession happened.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 06 February 2013 - 11:11 PM.

[Arachnia]

TBH i always wondered wye kishi made sakura like sasuke for so long time in shipuden i mean what was so great about him inthe old naruto o yea the mocking naruto at the hospital. for me its hard too see a change in sakura her heart wich sucks ofcourse:P but atleast the hinata stuff is over THX sasuke your awsome sometimes!

[TouKen4Life3g]

TBH i always wondered wye kishi made sakura like sasuke for so long time in shipuden i mean what was so great about him inthe old naruto o yea the mocking naruto at the hospital. for me its hard too see a change in sakura her heart wich sucks ofcourse:P but atleast the hinata stuff is over THX sasuke your awsome sometimes!

I like your sig.

I feel like he has to bring it up to prevent NS being canon or make romance into a turmoil since we're closing to the end. Sometimes, writers tend to do a love triangle story occurring and recurring situation. Sometimes it's necessary, sometimes it's not. *cough* Dead Space 3 *cough*

[neoshadow]

Perhaps maybe, this is why Sakura is seen as being so thin in development. If her development was spread out a little more in the manga, perhaps it would have made a nicer flow. Instead we get like 6 months of nothing, but her, and then the next 6 months she is not even seen. It's not that she hasn't developed, but since we reached a point where she can't develop anymore up to that point without another story element we get this this block of nothing.

I hope I am making sense. Sakura is the best example I can give on what I am trying to say. We got a whole bunch of her development between The Pein Arc and right up to the War arc, but during it she hasn't gotten any, mostly because I believe she has reached a pinnacle of her development when her confession happened.

This is unfortunately the truth. Sakura really has no development that can be initiated or resolved by her alone, she has no reason to get stronger for herself and her relationship with Tsunade hasn't been explored enough for Sakura to have any desire to become stronger than her, to surpass her. Sakura's development is entirely centered around Naruto and Sasuke's relationship, it always has.
You're exactly right that she got a lot of development between the Pain arc and the War and also from the start of Part 2 to the end of the Sasuke and Sai arc because the plot was centered around Naruto and Sasuke, this isn't the first time she's sort of disappeared she also did that during the Hidan and Kakuzu arc and the Hunt for Itachi outside of small moments which she has also got during the War, unfortunately this has been the longest arc and also the climax of the story so it makes her absence seem a lot more noticeable.

As much as we may hate it it's entirely likely that she will do next to nothing as the War resolves, but she won't always so nothing as the plot focuses onto the resolution of Team 7's story there will be a lot more of her development and by that time all of the secondary characters will be resolved and will have slinked back into the background leaving Team 7 to finish the story.

[redragon88]

Here's a nice easter egg:

Kushina and Sakura both wear spandex with their standard ninja uniforms.

[kirabook]

That's as bad as the "Hinata has long hair like Kushina"

We don't need Sakura to be a direct copy of Kushina (or vice versa). Their progression towards the people they cared for/loved is what matters if anything.

Edited by kirabook, 07 February 2013 - 12:28 AM.

[redragon88]

That's as bad as the "Hinata has long hair like Kushina"

We don't need Sakura to be a direct copy of Kushina (or vice versa). Their progression towards the people they cared for/loved is what matters if anything.

Seriously, every single time...

Maybe I'm confused with the term easter egg, but the reason I used it was so people didn't take the comment to seriously. It's just a simple curiosity. When was I telling people "Look, this is evidence. NS is canon, heck yeah!"?

I didn't mention this to start a lengthly conversation about the implications of spandex within the story. It's just a simple comment about a coincidence that you can take as you will. It's not meant to be used in arguments.