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[redragon88]

The hair is what brought them together. It was the hair that had majority of the impact on Kushina falling in love with Minato. That is what Kishi made it seem like. I do put a certain amount of expectations in the romance of this story. Rejection, realization, and acceptance, it all better be damn logical.

The hair brought them together, in a literal sense. If Minato had just randomly said one day that he liked Kushina's hair I don't think it would've had the same impact as it did in the rescue story.

You can put certain expectations in a story, but you shouldn't let your desires get out of hand. If you expect too much from a tale you'll only be disappointed in the end. Kishi is just a guy like any other so he can make mistakes or have different ideas of what comprises good story telling. You can't expect the story to go exactly how you desire it to be, and it's more fun when things are unpredictable anyway.

O rly?

Ya rly

Kushina - "And more importantly, he changed me. This plain red hair that I'd always hated had brought me my soulmate... It became the red thread of destiny to me. And ever since then I've liked my hair... And that was when I fell in love with Minato."

Compliment hair > Rescuing and splendid ninja.

It's because Minato looked like a splendid ninja that his words about Kushina's hair created that much of an impact.

[Slextrem]

Does it really matter why she initially fell in love with him? We know that in the end she loved him for more than just complimenting her hair - that was just the moment that sparked her interest in him and drew them together. I assume that, over time, she fell in love with a lot of things about Minato. That's how relationships work, typically.

Edited by Slextrem, 05 February 2013 - 03:14 AM.

[catsi563]

to answer the question asked earlier. Those of us who believe in the bench scene as cementing NS canon believe it because the parallel for that scene, IE the Minato Kushina scene came AFTER the bench scene not before it drawing the immediate parallel that showed that this was something important.

Edited by catsi563, 05 February 2013 - 03:34 AM.

[kirabook]

I really wish instead of creating random arcs about random filler characters, the anime would expand on characters that won't be touched on. For example, Minato and Kushina's past. (more in the teenage range) or before she gave birth to Naruto.

I mean, ok, maybe that stuff is too cheesy for a shounen manga, but why not? You could create filler characters for them to battle instead.

[luffyq1]

"And ever since then I've liked my hair" <--- that came first. She probably meant later on after the rescue that she learned to like it, not immediately like that.

It was in a flashback...

She would have realized after the rescue that it was the same hair that she hated that, basically, allowed Minato to save her. And it was with that new admiration of her hair came the falling in love part. Not 10 seconds later.

10 seconds later or not, she fell in love with him in that short amount of time. Not only did the hair guide Minato to Kushina as you've pointed out, but it made her fall in love with him, since he was the very first person to compliment it. It was the hair that had so much emphasis on the romance aspect of that flashback. Why think anything else played a bigger role on Kushina falling for Minato other than her hair, since it was so blatantly the certain of the romance.

The hair brought them together, in a literal sense. If Minato had just randomly said one day that he liked Kushina's hair I don't think it would've had the same impact as it did in the rescue story.

As much stress that was put on her hair, I would have to disagree with you on your scenario.

You can put certain expectations in a story, but you shouldn't let your desires get out of hand.

My desires and expectations died down little by little due to the terrible writing for the romance subplot, and the overall writing in fact. What little I have left is simple logical scenarios that most likely won't happen due to the current standpoint of the romance in this manga.

If you expect too much from a tale you'll only be disappointed in the end.

Too late.

Kishi is just a guy like any other so he can make mistakes or have different ideas of what comprises good story telling.

Oh, I'm sure we all know that. And I don't mean that in a good way at all.

You can't expect the story to go exactly how you desire it to be, and it's more fun when things are unpredictable anyway.

Even when the unpredictable revelation turns out to not be in majority of the fandoms favor? Like Sakura still loving Sasuke? Like NH becoming canon? These expectations are derived from simple things. Like if a person tries to murder you three times you'd be done with them. But no. Kishi does the thing that you love by being unpredictable in having Sakura still love him. Sorry, but I can't stomach that.

Ya rly

No rly.

It's because Minato looked like a splendid ninja that his words about Kushina's hair created that much of an impact.

Let's not forget the fact that after she made that comment about Minato, she follows up with "more importantly." So no, it wasn't because Minato looked sexy at that particular time that made such an impact.

Edited by luffyq1, 05 February 2013 - 03:51 AM.

[redragon88]

As much stress that was put on her hair, I would have to disagree with you on your scenario.

Let's not forget the fact that after she made that comment about Minato, she follows up with "more importantly." So no, it wasn't because Minato looked sexy at that particular time that made such an impact.

Look, we all agree that complimenting the hair was significant in helping Kushina fall in love with Minato, but it's because of how Minato is and what he did that made a lasting effect in Kushina's perspective of him. It wasn't just because he complimented her.

If that was the case then anyone that complimented her hair would've caused her to fall in love, I can't imagine Kushina being like that.

It's more like Minato complimenting her hair, in addition to his rescue of her, that caused Kushina to realize the kind of boy he truly was. Instead of being some wimpy kid like she originally thought, he was a splendid ninja with a kind heart who loved her for who she was. Kushina realizing that is what made her fall in love with him.

No rly.

Oh rly?

Now we're just going in circles.

My desires and expectations died down little by little due to the terrible writing for the romance subplot, and the overall writing in fact. What little I have left is simple logical scenarios that most likely won't happen due to the current standpoint of the romance in this manga.

Too late.

Oh, I'm sure we all know that. And I don't mean that in a good way at all.

Even when the unpredictable revelation turns out to not be in majority of the fandoms favor? Like Sakura still loving Sasuke? Like NH becoming canon? These expectations are derived from simple things. Like if a person tries to murder you three times you'd be done with them. But no. Kishi does the thing that you love by being unpredictable in having Sakura still love him. Sorry, but I can't stomach that.

Well, your expectations are your own so only you can establish them. The only thing I suggest is to try and not get too caught up in the story. A little detachment might make you feel more relaxed about the outcome.

And you can still go and read whichever other work of fiction there is. We all know that there are many stories which tell better romance than Naruto, try to focus more on the outcome of those.

[luffyq1]

Look, we all agree that complimenting the hair was significant in helping Kushina fall in love with Minato, but it's because of how Minato is and what he did that made a lasting effect in Kushina's perspective of him. It wasn't just because he complimented her. It's more like Minato complimenting her hair, in addition to his rescue of her, that caused Kushina to realize the kind of boy he truly was. Instead of being some wimpy kid like she originally thought, he was a splendid ninja with a kind heart who loved her for who she was. Kushina realizing that is what made her fall in love with him.

It was more about the compliment than anything else, really. It was the center point of the story. Of course it had a lasting affect on her, she fell in love with him because of the rescue, but the compliment was clearly the overshadowing moment. Her opinion of her hair transitioned from hate to like because Minato complimented it. That's why she even goes on to say he changed me. Hell, the fact that Kushina said that she loves Naruto after he complimented her hair says a lot. We all know that Kushina would have probably said it regardless of the compliment, but the fact that his compliment reminded her to say those words in the first place is pretty telling. I think I'm going to stick by my claim, as I'm sure you're going to do the same too.

If that was the case then anyone that complimented her hair would've caused her to fall in love, I can't imagine Kushina being like that.

I can imagine it based on how that flashback was told. But good thing it didn't happen, since Naruto is the second person in the world who complimented her hair. But obviously she didn't fall in love with him because that's her son, but it did in fact trigger her to say "I love you."

Oh rly?

Now we're just going in circles.

That's what it's been about from the start

Well, your expectations are your own so only you can establish them. The only thing I suggest is to try and not get too caught up in the story. A little detachment might make you feel more relaxed about the outcome.

And you can still go and read whichever other work of fiction there is. We all know that there are many stories which tell better romance than Naruto, try to focus more on the outcome of those.

I'll be sure to take your advice. Thnx

[Codus N]

I really wish instead of creating random arcs about random filler characters, the anime would expand on characters that won't be touched on. For example, Minato and Kushina's past. (more in the teenage range) or before she gave birth to Naruto.

I mean, ok, maybe that stuff is too cheesy for a shounen manga, but why not? You could create filler characters for them to battle instead.

I'd actually like to see Team Minato fillers along with the Jounins as kids before the big reveal. It'd serve as a nice build-up IMO.

[Chucky-kun]

I'd actually like to see Team Minato fillers along with the Jounins as kids before the big reveal. It'd serve as a nice build-up IMO.

Chapter 599, Kakashi Gaiden and the small hints served as a nice build=up, especially 599.

[narusaku4ver]

It was more about the compliment than anything else, really. It was the center point of the story. Of course it had a lasting affect on her, she fell in love with him because of the rescue, but the compliment was clearly the overshadowing moment. Her opinion of her hair transitioned from hate to like because Minato complimented it. That's why she even goes on to say he changed me. Hell, the fact that Kushina said that she loves Naruto after he complimented her hair says a lot. We all know that Kushina would have probably said it regardless of the compliment, but the fact that his compliment reminded her to say those words in the first place is pretty telling. I think I'm going to stick by my claim, as I'm sure you're going to do the same too.

Agreed, it was the overshadowing moment because for some reaosn i think she hated it, and wasnt just about it her vision of herself too.
the changing was about it, that she wasnt bad as she thought off.
And what proves it is, Naruto rescued Sakura, Naruto become a hero of the village an amazing shinobi and even on 573 she recognizes him as an amazing shinobi but still does not love Naruto.
Probably if Naruto does make a compliment on Sakura she will fall in love with Naruto, instead of hair will be her forehead.

Which is completely the opposite to NaruHina.

Doing something and thinking about doing something are different. She thought she could live without Sasuke. Sure, Sakura had the resolve to do what was best for Sasuke and Naruto, but once she confronted Sasuke her resolve crumbled because of her feelings for him. The whole plan went down hill because of Sasuke. That's one of the many things I hate what Kishi has done to Sakura's character is that her love just makes absolutely no sense at all. I can't stress that enough.

She thought she could kill him, because if it was "live" she would not make that confession for Naruto.
For the same reason why Ino still loves Sasuke, and probably Karin too, Hinata loving Naruto when they barely had an interaction.

Why do people hold on to that scene like it's actually going to cement NS in becoming canon? If Kishi is actually going to use that scene to make NS canon, I'm going to vomit on my mom.

You should be already vomiting it happened with Minato and Kushina, and it's obvious that is going to happen again, chp.3 could be a foreshadowing.

Expecting originality on Naruto, i prefer to believe on Santa Claus.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 05 February 2013 - 12:07 PM.

[Don-kun]

Agreed, it was the overshadowing moment because for some reaosn i think she hated it, and wasnt just about it her vision of herself too.
the changing was about it, that she wasnt bad as she thought off.
And what proves it is, Naruto rescued Sakura, Naruto become a hero of the village an amazing shinobi and even on 573 she recognizes him as an amazing shinobi but still does not love Naruto.
Probably if Naruto does make a compliment on Sakura she will fall in love with Naruto, instead of hair will be her forehead.

Which is completely the opposite to NaruHina.


She thought she could kill him, because if it was "live" she would not make that confession for Naruto.
For the same reason why Ino still loves Sasuke, and probably Karin too, Hinata loving Naruto when they barely had an interaction.



You should be already vomiting it happened with Minato and Kushina, and it's obvious that is going to happen again, chp.3 could be a foreshadowing.

Expecting originality on Naruto, i prefer to believe on Santa Claus.

At this point I thought it was clear to us that our expectation will only bring more disappointment, it's a little different with expecting Sakura to have an appearance before the manga ends since it's natural for main characters to have a small or big roll, but with Kishi it's obvious that he loves the corny stuff.

Like you said, Ino, Sakura and Karin still loving Sasuke, plus Hinata being all Naruto when he bearably gave her 10 minutes of his life with out mentioning all the Itachi Sasuke love, Pain change of heart and Naruto obsession with Sasuke, is plain ridiculous to still have high expectation to see a great romance worst when the guy doesn't even know how to write a decent female character and he believes all girl most fan girl the man they love.

[rocci]

At this point I thought it was clear to us that our expectation will only bring more disappointment, it's a little different with expecting Sakura to have an appearance before the manga ends since it's natural for main characters to have a small or big roll, but with Kishi it's obvious that he loves the corny stuff.

Like you said, Ino, Sakura and Karin still loving Sasuke, plus Hinata being all Naruto when he bearably gave her 10 minutes of his life with out mentioning all the Itachi Sasuke love, Pain change of heart and Naruto obsession with Sasuke, is plain ridiculous to still have high expectation to see a great romance worst when the guy doesn't even know how to write a decent female character and he believes all girl most fan girl the man they love.

so how ns will work then? do it have a change?

[narusaku4ver]

so how ns will work then? do it have a change?

Will be the same thing as Mina/Kushi, Obi/Rin.
I have any doubts that when Obito dies he will reunite with Rin.
Tsunade with a guy called Dan who has the same personality of Naruto.
Narusaku being mirrored and suceeding on all generations(in a certain point of view)
If Mito-sama appears to be like Sakura which probably is going to appear on the next chapter if it wont so it'll not appear.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 05 February 2013 - 02:24 PM.

[Canadian_DJ]

@六道仙人 @That Uchiha @Canadian_DJ Thank you for agreeing with me.

No problem bud!

Awsome posts everyone!

[narusaku4ver]

I dont know who's more emo.
Uchiha's clan or the Kurta's Clan (Kurapika's clan) from HunterXHunter.

[Don-kun]

so how ns will work then? do it have a change?

I don't know how NS will happen and that is if it really happens, I was merely addressing the fact that after 619 chapter of Naruto we should be wise enough to understand that if NS happens it might not happen in a perfect way, worst when it seems that Kishi is more pleased with the male male bond stuff, I even stated in my post that the guy doesn't know how to write a decent female character plus believes that girls most idolize or fan girl the man they loves.

[Chatte]

I don't know how NS will happen and that is if it really happens, I was merely addressing the fact that after 619 chapter of Naruto we should be wise enough to understand that if NS happens it might not happen in a perfect way, worst when it seems that Kishi is more pleased with the male male bond stuff, I even stated in my post that the guy doesn't know how to write a decent female character plus believes that girls most idolize or fan girl the man they loves.

And that is not a nice thought to have

[luffyq1]

So I guess 619 explains to us that Rin meant the world to Obito LOL

[Arachnia]

So I guess 619 explains to us that Rin meant the world to Obito LOL

OMG really wow i thought he hated her and thats wye he is being all bad:O

same for sasuke btw like ofc he loved his clan and brother after the truth and ofcourse he went beserk after :S so plss 2e give the word too the first:P

[luffyq1]

I love the fact that Hashirama's gambling rubbed off on Tsunade, just like Naruto's perverted jutsu rubbed off on Konohamaru. They're so much alike xD.