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[Muttz]

should give this to the clinging to hope s***/s**** ers.


nooo it wont show up...darn its halarious too....

Edited by quilted-remorse, 01 February 2005 - 01:17 AM.

[Soritia]

Awwww... What was it?

[Smiter]

I would like to see too, Haylee-chan!

Maybe you can tell us what site we can find it at and where it is in there?

*can't wait for 246 and hopes that it shows thoughts/emotions on Sakura from Naruto's POV - 245 was Sakura's POV*

The NaruHinas and SasuSakus are clinging on, hoping that Naruto has moved on and stopped loving Sakura. I'm hoping that 246 or at least an upcoming chapter will show he still loves her.

[Smiter]

Geez... :rolleyes:

(drat, hit Add reply instead of go advanced... *continues with post*)

It's remarkable how stubborn the ones who want canon for NaruHina/SasuSaku are.

Let's recap the progress...

NaruHina

Hinata has a crush on Naruto. There are a couple of cute scenes (the ointment scene, and easing Naruto's pre-Neji-fight nerves). She wants to be stronger over the 2 1/2 years. Erm.... that's it. Nothing from Naruto to Hinata, he fought Neji because he didn't like people judging others as trash - he knows exactly how it feels to be judged, being the container of the demon fox. He never thought of Hinata, not even ONCE, after the tournament - he fell deeper for Sakura.

Currently at: Hinata crushing on Naruto, who only sees her as a friend.

SasuSaku

Sakura has a crush on Sasuke, and think he's cool and handsome. He sees her as annoying and an unwanted distraction. Sakura keeps trying to get close to Sasuke, even hugging him. All the advances are strictly one-sided, Sasuke does not return them. On the night Sasuke betrays Konoha, Sakura tells him she "loves" him. But he rejects her. He thanks her for being a friend and caring about him even though he does not see her as a love interest. He did however grow to think of Sakura as his sister/friend.

On Naruto's return... Sakura is showing feelings for him! No mention of Sasuke at all.

Currently at: Dead and buried. Sasuke never loved Sakura, he rejected her. She had 2 1/2 years to sort out her feelings and got over her crush on him. Nothing left.

NaruSaku

Oh boy, where to begin? I'll try to summarise, but this may get long...

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Chapter 3. Naruto henges as Sasuke to try and figure out why Sakura doesn't really like him. While talking to her, he sees the real Haruno Sakura for a moment and finally understands why he likes her. He falls in love with her because they are the same - kindred souls. Sakura in turn feels warm and loved when with him, but she thinks it's Sasuke! This possibly made her fall harder for Sasuke.

When Naruto faces Zabuza, Sakura feels a stirring in her heart and blushes furiously, wondering what that feeling is. All she knows is that she feels it for Naruto. Now, if Sakura wasn't sure what that feeling was, it is possible she never had the same for Sasuke.

Over the series, Sakura makes small realisations about Naruto - including the Orochimaru fight and the Gaara fight. She even feels fantastic and stronger when she watches Naruto fight in the Chuunin Exam - showing FAR more emotion than she did for Sasuke. She slowly grows closer to Naruto, showing concern, trust and belief in him. There are also hints she is feeling something, judging by how she smiles and blushes.

During the Gaara fight, Naruto remembers Haku's words. "When you have someone precious to fight for... only then can you become strong!" He looks at Sakura... and find a HUGE amount of chakra, despite having his chakra system previously sealed by Neji! He says "I will protect everyone!", but you see the panels are pointing at Sakura. Every time he thinks about Sakura, he redoubles his determination - there is not a single thought about Sasuke.

The Promise. Combined with Sasuke's rejection, this became a very powerful moment for Sakura. She trusted Naruto enough to tell him about the Curse Seal, breaking her own promise to Sasuke. She needed his support, his reassurance. After Sasuke leaves, Naruto is enraged at how he could betray his friends and he thinks of Sakura, he was so glad to see her smile and can't believe that he was wrong about Sasuke.

Sakura is crying, she turns to the only one she thinks can help her... Naruto. She believes he is the only one who can stop Sasuke - showing how much she believes in him. She is shocked to hear Naruto say she likes Sasuke... and his next words hit her like a truck.

"I can understand."

Sakura realises that Naruto is the one who has always been there for her, the one who always helped her and made her feel better, stronger. The final wall between them crumbles and she truly begins to see him. Realising this, Sakura cries HARDER.

When Naruto is brought back battered, Sakura is shocked to see how badly he's hurt (see her eyes when she comes into his room). She tells him to stop apologising because she knew he did his best, and she even tried to get him to drop the promise. She didn't want him hurt. Also, while she believed Sasuke was back, Sakura wanted to see Naruto FIRST. She wanted to talk to him first.

After Naruto reaffirms his promise to Sakura, she is shocked again. She really sees that Naruto would do anything for her. She realises she can't make him drop the promise - Sasuke is an important comrade to them. Looking at his wounds, she decides to train harder and become a medic-nin so she can keep him safe.

Skip 2 1/2 years. Sakura FINALLY opens up and displays her affection for Naruto! She blushes profusely and flirts with him, seeking his approval at how she has grown. Naruto, being Naruto, tells her she hasn't changed - she's still his Sakura-chan. He thinks she's become even more beautiful, you can see the shock in his eyes and the blushes on his cheeks.

Sakura's feelings for Naruto are a major development. She would not have been so open with them if she was still in love with Sasuke - she has had over two years to think about both boys and how she felt about them. There are even hints she felt lonely without Naruto - waiting at the window and thinking about how lonely she felt.

[Faucon]

Too much Smex in that sentence!!!! lol

Anyways, it's true that the other 2 pairing are trying to convince themselves again that it will happen when they meet, they say like they will smex with the other partner when they see each other... oh crap did i just say smex? .........

[Faucon]

That's true, ever since the beggining, i always knew NaruSaku would happen someday, we just had to wait.


... This isnit a rant but look at the C2 section of Naruto stories and sort them by archive size... the no.2 is a NaruHina C2 but the name is soooo strange... Blue Eyes White Dragon? isnit that a Yu-gi-oh monster? lol

[HinataFanBoy]

havent u guys gone over this countless times?

[Tai001]

People repeat themselves, didn't you know that HinataFanBoy? XD Try as we might, we will always repeat ourselves sooner of later.

[Smiter]

Yep, HFB, people repeat themselves. lol, I know I sometimes feel like a broken record in the debate arena. It's the same for the NaruHina and SasuSaku debaters (though they have far fewer scenes so they repeat a lot more).

But we have no need to come up with new theories and ideas.

That's because we are only using the manga evidence. It's very solid, which is why we are happy to use only that in debates. Whereas the SasuSaku and NaruHina debaters keep trying to come up with new theories and ideas to counter our thoughts because the situation keeps changing for them, because early evidence keeps getting countered by newer evidence as each new Naruto chapter comes out.

Even in the darkest hour of NaruSaku (Naruto's sadness and The Promise), there was hope because Sakura was making very important realisations about Naruto.

[Geno Calamari]

Reading Between the Lines

Now, I can't believe that someone would write this drivel, especially after having read the scene in question. Obviously, this person, Goddess of Oblivion, is reading a different manga than I am, or maybe just watching the anime. I don't watch the anime, personally, because I've already read the manga and it's pretty much the same thing.

Perhaps the anime painted this scene in a different light, so as to give a faint ray of hope to the SasuSaku faithful. (Given that they need reassurance in that difficult time between age 14 and age 16 facing the abject foolishness of SasuSaku.)

Alright, I'll be fair. I've been generous in my characterizations on occasions. My capricious whims are very harsh for certain other characters, here after refered to as Sasuke. Most of you know my stance on Sasuke and a large percentage of you agree with my views, though perhaps you lack the fanatical fervor of my Sasuke-hate. It matters not.

The above link is, at heart, a bastardization of the manga and a betrayal of Sasuke's character. It is a very Princess-Tsunade 'Everyone Just Needs a Hug' sort of fiction and that's not okay.

It suffers from something I like to call 'Hopeful Presumption of the Non-Existant,' and propagates it by using a technique with which all five-year-old children are familiar: 'You didn't say I could, but you didn't say I couldn't.'

Sorry if the story is OOC at all, but it?s hard to write Sasuke being anything but a prick (love him as I do).

Huh, it's hard to write Sasuke as anything other than a prick, eh? Strange, when I write Sasuke, he tends to come out confused and angry, then takes it out on others. I think that's probably because Sasuke is... (altogether now) an a**hole.

Let's all pull on our thinking caps and Geno's going to give another thinking-exercise, alrighty? Good.

If it's hard to write Sasuke as anything other than a prick, is it not a reasonable conclusion to say that he is a prick? And when you write him as having an ulterior motive, internal monologue, or other narrative conveniences, then you have to choose whether to stick true to the character (which she has not) or alter the behavior of the character in question.

I think we're all at a point in our relationships where I can state without shame or fear of reprisal that I believe Sasuke has no inner monologue or ulterior motive. Is he clever enough for it? Yes. Does that mean he does it? Not in the least. I for one am a clever person and I turn off my brain all the time. It's been four or five years of manga and we haven't once gotten an internal thought from Sasuke that wasn't envy, jealousy, superiority, or scorn.

By my above statement, plus the small amount of supporting details and large amount of common sense applied, Goddess of Oblivion has skewed Sasuke wildly. He never said he loved her, but remember: He never said he didn't love her!

It's funny how plausible that sounds. I'll admit it, it sounds pretty good when I say it out loud. But then I remember the corrolary:
He never said he didn't love her, but he never said he did.
And that pretty much solves that. QED.

So in closing: Sasuke's characterization in the above link is nothing more than hot air and dreams. It's a pretty fantasy of the dark avenger that lacks the substance almost every other pairing has. I'll even give NaruHina substance, because it is sweet and 1950s and Betty Crocker, but it's not a castle built on sand like SasuSaku. Sasuke's not the sort to be tamed. He's dark and evil and broken up. I'd even go so far as to say he's past the point of no return. He can't be fixed by love. He's not going to be softened with effort or time. It's been five years already and he's still wallowing in his own grief/anger/incapability.

There. I've said what I feel needs to be said. Enjoy yourselves.

[Blayze]

I remember seeing that fic on the list a bit earlier. Did you leave a review, Geno?

[Geno Calamari]

I don't think I could keep my scorn out of it, so no. Reviews don't need to be scathing and I don't really want to talk to an admitted Sasuke-fangirl.

[alphabet]

Ah, Geno, you have once again made me realize how badly I do not want to be the cause of a rant of yours, because wow you are a good ranter. If I were Goddess of Oblivion (*snicker*), I would be quaking in my little cotton socks.

Rant on, Geno. They're a delight to read. And I mean it.

[HinataFanBoy]

sometimes? i think ive heard ur points about 4 times each

[Geno Calamari]

Thank you. One day, I'll figure out how to make flames shoot out of the sides of the monitor, for extra emphasis. I've always liked the Wizard of Oz and I'm megalomaniacal enough to do something that crazy.

"Pay no attention to the author behind the insults!"

But seriously, I think this one came out a lot less coherent than I wanted. Rereading it, I don't think my 'Thought exercise' actually ended with a point.

[alphabet]

Geno's? This is the first time that I recall reading what he wrote and I've never found him to be repetative.

Or are you talking about someone else's post?

[HinataFanBoy]

eh? i was responding to the posts that were responding to my first post about repeating, wow that was confusing