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[Otaru]

You know, even if she still really loves him from the bottom of her heart... that doesn't mean they are gonna end together.

Look, Lee-san really loves Sakura right ?

We know they will never end together.

 

The purpose of this manga is to teach things to the young ones.

There is always a morale in this kind of mangas.

 

Here, the morale is for approximatively 14/17 years old boys.

The manga will teach them that with a lot of efforts, you can achieve your dreams. The manga will teach them this through NARUTO, because he his the hero. So he will be the only one with all his dreams fulfilled.

 

So Sakura will love him at the end, he will surpass all hokages (he already have) and so on.

 

There is NO kittening CHANCE that a manga for approximatively 14/17 years old boys could teach them that a girl will marry a guy that tried to kill her, this is more of a seinen theme. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen any shonen turning this way.
Moreover, there is no kittening chance either that this type of manga, which teach morale about achieving dreams and never giving up could teach to the readers that the hero changed his feelings for another girl almost at the end of the story. No. Naruto will "win" Sakura's heart because he always cared strongly about her and gave her hope and joy when she was really down.

 

So why all the fandom is flipping about this raw ? This raw will not change anything. 

SasuSaku and NaruHina still make no sense at all.

 

It's funny, but I'm a lot more concerned about Kakashi's eye. I keep asking myself if he could keep that normal eye or if he will have another one. also, I want to see teamwork.

Edited by Otaru, 11 May 2014 - 02:25 PM.

[FireFox]

So i was lurking in the ASS thread in NF and a guy just showed up and said this :

Also here is the link from it http://www.narutofor...&postcount=1266

 

 

*lurks in *

Hello , sorry to bother. Just wanted to answer the questions about the raw. If it's bothers you for me to comment just delete my comment 
The RAW is not official. It was copied from 2ch forums from someone who "claimed" it to be the official Japanese text. All the genuine translations of that text started with " these are still unconfirmed RAW" 

Thank you. Goodbye.

*lurks out*

 

Can anyone confirm this to be true ? 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 11 May 2014 - 02:23 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So i was lurking in the ASS thread in NF and a guy just showed up and said this :
Also here is the link from it http://www.narutofor...&postcount=1266
 
 
*lurks in *

Hello , sorry to bother. Just wanted to answer the questions about the raw. If it's bothers you for me to comment just delete my comment 
The RAW is not official. It was copied from 2ch forums from someone who "claimed" it to be the official Japanese text. All the genuine translations of that text started with " these are still unconfirmed RAW" 

Thank you. Goodbye.

*lurks out*
 
Can anyone confirm this to be true ? 

So...they lied to us?

[FireFox]

So...they lied to us?

Well that's what i want to know if its the same "RAW" that SS has , and like i said its nothing new for SS to do this in fact i'm betting that they lied they have no source for their translation . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 11 May 2014 - 02:46 PM.

[*- ZerΩ -*]

Uffs... dat raw gives me head-acke....STILL waiting for IT! 

[Gojira]

Uffs... dat raw gives me head-acke....STILL waiting for IT! 

patience friend, if you're having trouble waiting do what normal people do when they get anxious, develop a drinking problem.

Edited by Pepsi, 11 May 2014 - 02:55 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

So i was lurking in the ASS thread in NF and a guy just showed up and said this :
Also here is the link from it http://www.narutofor...&postcount=1266
 
 
*lurks in *
Hello , sorry to bother. Just wanted to answer the questions about the raw. If it's bothers you for me to comment just delete my comment 
The RAW is not official. It was copied from 2ch forums from someone who "claimed" it to be the official Japanese text. All the genuine translations of that text started with " these are still unconfirmed RAW" 
Thank you. Goodbye.
*lurks out*
 
Can anyone confirm this to be true ?

I went to 2ch but I cannot confirm the above because there are just TOO many posts. The first day after the new chapter I saw mainly Kakashi bashing, the second day was mainly Naruto(+Sakura) fans fighting against Sasuke fans and vice versa, and the people were trying to translate Kakashi's dialogue from English to Japanese. So until Friday, the Japanese texts shown were the ones translated from manga panda. I don't know what's happened since. Maybe the other Japanese users might know.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

As for chapter 540 I'm referring to how the "someone else" she was talking about likely wasn't Sasuke because that would be contradicting and logically not make any sense when you think about it (her thinking a relationship with him would even work out despite the fact that she pictures him standing in flames n kitten and the fact that he tried to kill her atleast 3 times) I think people just misinterpret it like they did with the confession.

She said there was someome else she like, that doesnt imply that she wants to have a relationship with him, the fact is that she used this to dimiss a guy.
Trust me i was once rejected with similar line, it's better to be rejected with a girl saying that she likes someome else than her telling "i dont like you" or "it would not work".
The point is that the guy who was rejected in a nice manner told her that the guy she likes is a great guy and then Sakura showed to the audience how she viewed Sasuke after the killing attempts.

Fun Fact : On the same chapter is shown Hinata and Sakura, Hinata gaining resolve when thinking about Naruto and Sakura being sad when thinking about Sasuke.
 

Except that still doesn't make any god damn sense. Even if we were to ignore Kishi saying the confession was honest it's completely illogical to think Sakura had intended to be in a relationship with someone who she knows is evil and tried to kill her and being reminded of him not being a great being the trigger that caused her to fall out of love with him is kittening stupid. Not only does that contradict the development NS had in the entirety of Part 2 or the fact that Sakura has matured but it even contradicts Sai's statement that Sakura isn't stupid.

Yep i ignore because his honest is kind of ambiguous because she lied on the confession then i remember that he "depicted an honest girl" i dont know it's because in english depicting an honest girl implies that she was being honest.

But in my language and culture, depicting an honest girl means that Sakura acted like an honest girl but her words werent honest, acting stubbornish and innocent to say that she wasnt being harsh with Naruto on the confession.
The solely reason why i dont accept her confession as real is because doesnt make sense that just cuz Sai told her Naruto loved her, she "realized" her feelings, feelings that werent romantic to begin with, she never looked at Naruto on a romantically light which is proved when Sai told her about Naruto's feelings, and then she has that flashback.
When she looked at Naruto on a romantic manner she called him a fool for loving her and she still was in love with Sasuke which was throw at the audience many times during that moment, even her confession to Naruto she was being stubborn at trying to prove to Naruto that she didnt loved Sasuke anymore and ended giving the impression that she fell in love with Naruto because Sasuke turned into a criminal.

I dont expect something like that to be honest to me, not in my book, i prefer to hold on the interpretation that the honest and stubborn in terms of how she acted on the confession not her words.
That's my opinion and makes sense to me.
It doesnt matter if the audience believes she loves Naruto, as long as the character itself doesnt acknowledged it, it doesnt make valid said statement.
 

I could say the same thing about 540 losing is impact quite some time ago (especially with both this chapter and 635), but hey, if you want to keep denying that Sakura has fallen out of love for Sasuke, then "to each thine own Watson."

I dont know it it's my mistake for not expressing correctly but i never denied she has fallen out of love from Sasuke.
What i said is that she is falling out of love from Sasuke but Sakura itself hasnt give the impression she's already over because Kishimoto is hiding it.
And avoiding her personal confrontations.
What we have is speculations from characters like kakashi, recently giving a guess that her feelings for Sakura are different now, on which the problem lies on how he came to that conclusion (development or fangirlism) and she not trusting Sasuke for obvious reasons and that was expected despite her loving him or not, because she's not Karin.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 03:13 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I went to 2ch but I cannot confirm the above because there are just TOO many posts. The first day after the new chapter I saw mainly Kakashi bashing, the second day was mainly Naruto(+Sakura) fans fighting against Sasuke fans and vice versa, and the people were trying to translate Kakashi's dialogue from English to Japanese. So until Friday, the Japanese texts shown were the ones translated from manga panda. I don't know what's happened since. Maybe the other Japanese users might know.

That's very ironic.

[Hiraishin]

We both know that's not true.

What? In the chapter she was introduced, when Sasuke called her annoying, she thought about someone else, and how she should be nicer to him. And we don't know exactly what she was like when she was younger, when she was still friends with Ino.
Because she's a kind girl, she stopped fangirling for a second, seeing the hatred in his eyes that were looking at Naruto.
 

As for chapter 540 I'm referring to how the "someone else" she was talking about likely wasn't Sasuke because that would be contradicting and logically not make any sense when you think about it (her thinking a relationship with him would even work out despite the fact that she pictures him standing in flames n kitten and the fact that he tried to kill her atleast 3 times) I think people just misinterpret it like they did with the confession.

I agree with you.

Edited by Hiraishin, 11 May 2014 - 03:10 PM.

[FireFox]

I went to 2ch but I cannot confirm the above because there are just TOO many posts. The first day after the new chapter I saw mainly Kakashi bashing, the second day was mainly Naruto(+Sakura) fans fighting against Sasuke fans and vice versa, and the people were trying to translate Kakashi's dialogue from English to Japanese. So until Friday, the Japanese texts shown were the ones translated from manga panda. I don't know what's happened since. Maybe the other Japanese users might know.

I see thanks anyway .

 

 
I dont know it it's my mistake for not expressing correctly but i never denied she has fallen out of love from Sasuke.
What i said is that she is falling out of love from Sasuke but Sakura itself hasnt give the impression she's already over because Kishimoto is hiding it.
And avoiding her personal confrontations.
What we have is speculations from characters like kakashi, recently giving a guess that her feelings for Sakura are different now, on which the problem lies on how he came to that conclusion (development or fangirlism) and she not trusting Sasuke for obvious reasons and that was expected despite her loving him or not, because she's not Karin.

And yet you tend to ignore Kakashi's reactions during both the NS hug in 450 and his reaction to the confession as well that he was observing how they interacted in this chapter just after he starts his flashback  .

 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I went to 2ch but I cannot confirm the above because there are just TOO many posts. The first day after the new chapter I saw mainly Kakashi bashing, the second day was mainly Naruto(+Sakura) fans fighting against Sasuke fans and vice versa, and the people were trying to translate Kakashi's dialogue from English to Japanese. So until Friday, the Japanese texts shown were the ones translated from manga panda. I don't know what's happened since. Maybe the other Japanese users might know.

LOL the irony that a Japanese manga had to be translated from english to Japanese.
 

And yet you tend to ignore Kakashi's reactions during both the NS hug in 450 and his reaction to the confession as well that he was observing how they interacted in this chapter just after he starts his flashback  .

He not just witnessed said hug but also he was the one who pointed out Sakura's love for Sasuke after the confession and even guessed correctly that she was going to kill Sasuke with her both hands.
He had the intuition that despite that there wasnt right, and later he knew she would not be able to kill Sasuke telling her this right after he saved her on the first attempt and told her how her plan wasnt going to work.

My problem with Kakashi's statement on this scene, inst about how her feelings changed because they are changing, the scene is straightforward on telling that Sakura's feelings changed from his perspective, my problem lies is if he took all the interactions NS had or he's just came to that conclusion because she didnt fangirled, if it's the first then it's a strong hint to me.
Because on this scene Sakura didnt treated Sasuke as she was used to do.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 03:20 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I dont expect something like that to be honest to me, not in my book, i prefer to hold on the interpretation that the honest and stubborn in terms of how she acted on the confession not her words.
That's my opinion and makes sense to me.
It doesnt matter if the audience believes she loves Naruto, as long as the character itself doesnt acknowledged it, it doesnt make valid said statement.
 
What we have is speculations from characters like kakashi, recently giving a guess that her feelings for Sakura are different now, on which the problem lies on how he came to that conclusion (development or fangirlism) and she not trusting Sasuke for obvious reasons and that was expected despite her loving him or not, because she's not Karin.

 

Wait. These two statements contradict each other. You are basically saying that the ONLY reason why you think Sakura was lying was because Naruto didn't acknowledge it as truth? You are basically saying that because Naruto said it was a lie, then it must be a lie? Then you go on to say that what Kakashi says is only speculation? How do you know that what Naruto said was not speculation? How do you know that what Naruto's claim is even true at all and just Naruto making a poor assumption on something that he has no idea about?

 

How can you take Naruto's word for fact, but not take Kakashi's?

If we are to go by this logic I might as well say "Well, until Sakura acknowledges that she was lying to Naruto during that confession, then I guess we have to assume that the her lying is only a speculation and really she was telling the truth."

[ramenanmitsu]

Okay, I checked 2ch.
http://ikura.2ch.net...mic/1399621629/

There aren't any raws that I see of.

Btw, what I hate about 2ch is that there are constant battle between Hashirama fans and Hiruzen fans regarding who's stronger every DAMN time. We didn't see them for Hashirama and Hiruzen chapters and their fans dominate the thread.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 11 May 2014 - 03:34 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Wait. These two statements contradict each other. You are basically saying that the ONLY reason why you think Sakura was lying was because Naruto didn't acknowledge it as truth? You are basically saying that because Naruto said it was a lie, then it must be a lie?

I think i was wrong on my expression, i'm telling it's a lie because Sakura herself showed how much she loved Sasuke right after the "confession" , not just once but many times, there was even her empathy moment with crying with both of them crying, and Karin saying that she must love him too.
There's many problems with her confession, Sakura was under pressure of some moral responsability for Naruto's suffering and also her own self-hating problems.
 

Then you go on to say that what Kakashi says is only speculation? How do you know that what Naruto said was not speculation? How do you know that what Naruto's claim is even true at all and just Naruto making a poor assumption on something that he has no idea about?

Just like Sai when explaining the confession ( he used "i think", "i guess", many times there), but it is because we dont know much on Sakura, Kishimoto didnt made much on telling from Sakura's perspective about her feelings aside that she views Sasuke as evil.
Her expression on this chapter on her looking at Sasuke, is from someome who's mostly "afraid" and "extremely cautious of Sasuke" not because of he is evil but because she's like predicting that he's up to do something very bad.
 

How can you take Naruto's word for fact, but not take Kakashi's?

If we are to go by this logic I might as well say "Well, until Sakura acknowledges that she was lying to Naruto during that confession, then I guess we have to assume that the her lying is only a speculation and really she was telling the truth."

I did not even talked about Naruto and he telling she lied, the fake confession thing isnt about Naruto, that his personal problem that we know very well, the reason why i said it's a fake confession [is because Sakura herself showed how much she loved Sasuke right after the "confession" , not just once but many times, there was even her empathy moment with crying with both of them crying, and Karin saying that she must love him too.]

Naruto said is a lie because he didnt accepted the fact she was over Sasuke that quickly he was right, but inst just about it but how she expressed those feelings after the confession, it was still there and they were strong.
If she was really in love with Naruto and honest on that confession, NS would have been canon and such things like 540 and recent chapters would not exist, why Kishimoto is still forcing the "pairing triangle" if she already loves Naruto, unless if Kishi is using drugs obviously.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 03:36 PM.

[Gojira]

She said there was someome else she like, that doesnt imply that she wants to have a relationship with him, the fact is that she used this to dimiss a guy.
Trust me i was once rejected with similar line, it's better to be rejected with a girl saying that she likes someome else than her telling "i dont like you" or "it would not work".
The point is that the guy who was rejected in a nice manner told her that the guy she likes is a great guy and then Sakura showed to the audience how she viewed Sasuke after the killing attempts.

That would be true if we go by MS translation but in the MP and the raw he generalized the statement. He didn't directly refer to the one she was talking about, he said it more like a person that she would love was bound to be great, which we know isn't the case.

The problem with the argument that she was just using it to blow the guy off because she had nobody in mind and then think of Sasuke is if he was the one she was referring to is contradicting itself.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That would be true if we go by MS translation but in the MP and the raw he generalized the statement. He didn't directly refer to the one she was talking about, he said it more like a person that she would love was bound to be great, which we know isn't the case.

The problem with the argument that she was just using it to blow the guy off because she had nobody in mind and then think of Sasuke is if he was the one she was referring to is contradicting itself.

I didnt said "she had nobody in mind" she had Sasuke the problem is that the lover ninja on both translations confronted her with the great guy, she didnt responded and Kishi showed her sad afterwards.
There's no contradiction.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 03:41 PM.

[Gojira]

I didnt said "she had nobody in mind" she had Sasuke the problem is that the lover ninja on both translations confronted her with the great guy, she didnt responded and Kishi showed her sad afterwards.
There's no contradiction.

But the problem is that alone is contradicting on atleast several levels, and that's besides the fact that again the lover fodder was unintentionally generalizing his sentence leaving it somewhat ambiguous

[FireFox]

He not just witnessed said hug but also he was the one who pointed out Sakura's love for Sasuke after the confession and even guessed correctly that she was going to kill Sasuke with her both hands.
He had the intuition that despite that there wasnt right, and later he knew she would not be able to kill Sasuke telling her this right after he saved her on the first attempt and told her how her plan wasnt going to work.

My problem with Kakashi's statement on this scene, inst about how her feelings changed because they are changing, the scene is straightforward on telling that Sakura's feelings changed from his perspective, my problem lies is if he took all the interactions NS had or he's just came to that conclusion because she didnt fangirled, if it's the first then it's a strong hint to me.
Because on this scene Sakura didnt treated Sasuke as she was used to do.

Sorry but when did Kakashi pointed out her love for Sasuke after the confession ? The only thing he guessed was that she was about to kill Sasuke mind you he didn't said out of love he could have meant  what he said this chapter out of duty .

 

I don't get you really i just showed you a panel of him carefully observing how they interacted just before he starts his flashback i don't get it how did you get to the possibility of just because she didn't fangirled . That right here shows you  the reason for it he's not gonna do a flashback of every NS interaction just to came to the same conclusion her treatment for Sasuke just confirms what he is seeing , its the combination of both NS interaction and SS one for what he said about Sakura . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 11 May 2014 - 03:52 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

But the problem is that alone is contradicting on atleast several levels, and that's besides the fact that again the lover fodder was unintentionally generalizing his sentence leaving it somewhat ambiguous

You're saying that i'm contradicting on something i didnt said on my post.

Basically you're saying i'm commiting a contradiction on something i didnt said and worse doesnt tell me where this contradiction lies and worse, says that he generalized on the ending leaving it ambiguous when it was straightforwards on both trasnlations that is refering to someome she loves.

"THe person you love must be a great guy"

"If there's somebody that you like, then they're bound to be a great guy"
http://i12.mangapand...uto-2347827.jpg

I dont see anything ambiguous on those two.
BOth says present tense with some future tense, i dont really see where's the ambiguous part sorry.
Swapping Somebody with "Sasuke", the context is clear.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 May 2014 - 03:56 PM.