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#9761 morgaine4

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:15 AM

 

, causing Naruto to believe she's dead and lead to Obito's redemption after his rising above it and saying something like "I'm not giving up because ... Sakura-chan wouldn't want me too!" If Obito monologues his own experience with Rin when he was younger, I can see Naruto bringing up Rin and saying she wouldn't of wanted him to become a monster.

 

Yesssssssss!  I've been saying for a white, TnJ is about closing the difference between Naruto and his enemy, getting his enemy to see things in the way he does and that the difference between Obito and Naruto could ultimately be in the way that they love their respective love interest.  Why else make it clear that Rin, a kunoichi chose her death in order to fulfill her duty as a ninja?  Why else remind us so recently (relatively speaking), that Naruto respects, admires, and adore Sakura's strength as a ninja?  Maybe we're completely off, but I do think that evidence indicates that that's where this story is going.

 

I will say, Sakura might look like she's dead, she might be temporarily killed, but not permanently so.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:29 AM

What's the general opinion on how Kishi has handled Sakura's feelings for Sasuke?

 

I know Kishi will make Sakura get over Sasuke before the end, otherwise her character arc would end in failure, but I sometimes worry about how well he'll make the execution.

imo the panels of her depressed by sasuke are kishi's gradual efforts to lessen her love for him. sakura is the one who changed the most in the love in the story lol


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:26 AM

Guys, what IF Kishi parallel Hinata to Rin? How would you react? He can pull chapter 615 on us and i'm not surprised if he do it again, ya know.. And what do you think will happen to narusaku?



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:31 AM

Just out of curiosity, why Kishimoto should parallel Hinata to Rin?


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:34 AM

Rin and Hinata have nothing, absolutely NOTHING in common with Hinata. In order to be able to parallel her with Rin, she'd have to have something in common, whereas she doesn't.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:38 AM

Just out of curiosity, why Kishimoto should parallel Hinata to Rin?

 

Rin and Hinata have nothing, absolutely NOTHING in common with Hinata. In order to be able to parallel her with Rin, she'd have to have something in common, whereas she doesn't.

I know.. I'm just saying what IF he does.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:43 AM

 

I know.. I'm just saying what IF he does.

In order to make a "what if" assumption, he'd have to have made this before, his writing style to tell us that there is such a possibility, whereas, he hasn't.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:49 AM

 

I know.. I'm just saying what IF he does.

 

If he does this, I can only assume that he must be a dead-drunk for drawing a such situation... Well, I know that Kishimoto loves sake (he stated this more one time in tocs) but I seriously doubt that he'll finish to make a such thing.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:54 AM

 

If he does this, I can only assume that he must be a dead-drunk for drawing a such situation... Well, I know that Kishimoto loves sake (he stated this more one time in tocs) but I seriously doubt that he'll finish to make a such thing.

Haha, I'm a bit scared if he do it. Been reading to much Hinata-Rin parallel from nH.. lol



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:50 PM

 

, whoawhat? o__o I never heard this. Source?

 

I agree with you about the redemption through ObiRin parallel thing, but what do you mean by 'canon' in this instance? That it would be like, beyond obvious that NS is endgame or that Sakura will have confirmed her feelings at the time of the ObiRin parallel confirmation? Cause I'm definitely with you on the former, but I think it's perfectly possible to make the ObiRin parallel without making NS technically canon.

#1 Sakura is on a safe distance compared ot the tree, and she has the seal, three strong healers and Minato and chakra cloak, which obviously makes her virtually immortal, stabbing wont kill her.

#2 Obito only has obliteration jutsus and he's not going to focuses on a single person so if he relatiation will be something huge that Minato can counter with his jutsu and other kages can take care of it, he's not going to search for Sakura and kill her for no reason.

#3 Sakura dying would imply last words and even the possibility of Naruto confessing due to his will to not have regrets( and even the possibility of Sakura saying i love you to Naruto as last words and etc...)

#4 if it to happen must be obviously a hardcore death either Sakura being obliterated or head being cut which i strongly believe it wont happen.( to avoid NaruSaku interaction)

#5 Madara is obviously going to go in the middle of the fight, and tries to steal the juubi giving the chance to setting the juubi free once again and then Kishi's spoiler come true, the bijuus being released from the Juubi then they together defeat the Juubi.

 

For me Obi/Rin obviously is the only plausible way to redeem Obito(because you cant compare Neji's death to a death of a love interest it's ridiculous) but i dont see it coming due to "NS canon" and Sakura's "immortality" and the insane ammount of defensive jutsus and the kages have.

 

On my opinion Naruto is the one who will die, either by being betrayed by Sasuke or sacrificing himself, Obito might want to see Naruto surpassing or due to his will(because it also parallels to Obito when he died and the whole "world of losers"), might use Edo Rinne Tensei to ressurrect Naruto.

 

 

 

What's the general opinion on how Kishi has handled Sakura's feelings for Sasuke?

 

I know Kishi will make Sakura get over Sasuke before the end, otherwise her character arc would end in failure, but I sometimes worry about how well he'll make the execution.

 

Bad executed or doing it on purpose.

He wrote himself into a corner or he's very smart because it reached a point where Sakura may have let her feelings go but there's problem into SS.

It reached a status quo because she knows Naruto loves her, and she really took those feelings in consideration to a point that she's even willing to return Naruto's feelings to not hurt him.

 

So all the bad things that SS happened leads to 540 where the "great guy"(where is more about personality than actions and stuff) thing played it's role but the fact is that SS is so ridiculous that he literally forced himself to hide Sakura's feelings purposely because he acknowledges that it ruins her character, it's not about pairing suspense it's just that it's unbelievable she has feelings for Sasuke.

 

So it's kinda obvious that if he reveals that she still loves him, i predict disappointment and more bashing.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:02 PM

Guys, what IF Kishi parallel Hinata to Rin? How would you react? He can pull chapter 615 on us and i'm not surprised if he do it again, ya know.. And what do you think will happen to narusaku?

 

The way I see it, the chance of that happening is negative zero. Kishi will either parallel Sakura and Rin, or the parallel will not happen at all, there's no reason for Hinata to just suddenly be thrown into a parallel when she never has before. Don't let wild fan speculation get to you, seriously ever hear the Golden Byakugan theory? :twitch:



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:58 PM

Guys, what IF Kishi parallel Hinata to Rin? How would you react? He can pull chapter 615 on us and i'm not surprised if he do it again, ya know.. And what do you think will happen to narusaku?

That will be bad writing(I've explained this in the past, but if you want me to repeat I can), but there are other ways Kishi can write bad that I'm more afraid of. If NH happens I will laugh because it will be so bad, but it's the last thing I fear because there are worse and more likely possibilities in my mind.

 

Anyway, why think of this now all of a sudden? No hints have been given. You can come up with whatever random suspiscions you want, but it's just in the way of your reading comprehension as long as the manga contradicts it.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 03:43 PM

Guys, what IF Kishi parallel Hinata to Rin? How would you react? He can pull chapter 615 on us and i'm not surprised if he do it again, ya know.. And what do you think will happen to narusaku?

It will be the first time I would ever say, "bad writing". Hinata has no buildup to herself or anything once 615 was over and there's nothing else that makes her standout anymore. She's sidelined and only in-crowd with other side characters. Maybe if they gave her more screentime before, I could see they tried, even though it's a huge stretch, but hey, at least it was very small heads-up. Even then, it sill be off. The only reason 615 went the way it did is because of Neji and Hinata being concluded to their characters. It's clear that Hinata got what she needed and no longer always need to be said when Naruto has done saying, let alone showing it (hand holding). That's her go-to home. Now, she's just with the crowd talking about in level with Naruto as Hokage, adviser, etc.

 

But yeah, bad writing it will be.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:01 PM

Guys, what IF Kishi parallel Hinata to Rin? How would you react? He can pull chapter 615 on us and i'm not surprised if he do it again, ya know.. And what do you think will happen to narusaku?

 

This is highly, utterly unlikely. I wish I had more time to elaborate a good answer but I'll just say this: the only available comparison we can make regarding Rin is about her plot role since her personality characteristics have never been shown enough for us be able to make a proper analysis. So looking back at her situation in team Minato, we have a female member between two male rivals. She came to love the strongest and most skilled one while being loved by the weaker, dreamful one. Add this to the already confirmed fact that the weaker one, Obito, is just like Naruto while the strongest one, Kakashi, made Sasuke his pupil even teaching him his own unique technique. 

So rest assured... I can't be the only one that doesn't see how or where Hinata fits in all this.

 

I know.. I'm just saying what IF he does.

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:17 PM

^ But Pakkun's a boy.

 

I have to agree with everyone that a Hinata and Rin parallel will make no sense.  The most important fact being Hinata liked Naruto all along, while Rin had feelings for Kakashi and didn't look at Obito in that way.  It's speculation to say that she had after his death, but we need cinfirmation from either Kakashi or Minato as they would most likely know.  The point is the in order to parallel RIn, the firl has to have first fall for the "cool" guy in the team.  Sakura has shown this.  Hinata has not.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:24 PM

Ok. I now this is against the rules. But I really am not trying to bash the other fandom or their arguments. I came upon this post, that I would like if someone here can post a good argument against. It's not for bashing or any other things. Like laughing at their theories. That's not it. I just want reassuresnes (if that's a word :D) in my ship. That's all. :D

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:51 PM



Do we really need to waste our time on this piece of illiteracy?

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:59 PM



Do we really need to waste our time on this piece of illiteracy?

What strong bond? I don't understand this, to me sasuke cut off the bond between himself and sakura as soon as he left the village. Thus, his indifference towards sakura's existence in all of shippuden. I really don't get how much fanfiction some people read. The only strong bond sasuke has left who is alive (cuz I'm avoiding itachi) is naruto. People seem to forget that and think sakura is sasuke's savior when she is not.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:05 PM

Ok. I now this is against the rules. But I really am not trying to bash the other fandom or their arguments. I came upon this post, that I would like if someone here can post a good argument against. It's not for bashing or any other things. Like laughing at their theories. That's not it. I just want reassuresnes (if that's a word :D) in my ship. That's all. :D

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Where was this from?

 

All I can say is for the first quote, being best friends doesn't even make sense.  They are already close friends already.  Plus, Yamato said "in reality" meaning something that has hidden from the surface or misinterpreted from the masses (like a particular fandom does constantly), as in this case, misinterpreted devotion as mere frienship, when it actually is far greater. 

 

Also, what this person calls most of thses comedic moments and trolling is know as forshadow.  631 established the Kushina parallel.  THe failed confesiion though was taken many ways.  One fact remains true, Sakure was willling to sacrifice her bond with Sasuke for Naruto.  The teasing from Konohamaru is infact for comedic purposes, but showed deep down Sakua is a pervert though a closet one.  An attribute Naruto has as well.  The feeding scene can be taken back to the bells test where at that time she begrudgingly feed him.  This time know she offers to showing the difference in her character and how much she's changed as well as her bond with Naruto.

 

I believe in the raws of that chapter with Sakura healing Hinata.  The literal translation doesn't have a verb as the sentence is never finished, so love is implied what she was going to say.  Also, if she really wanted to push Hinata to Naruto she wouldn't have hugged him after the Pain arc.  Also, if NH fans want to use this as proof as NaruHina, then, the dialogue with Yamato has to be taken just as seriously as well.

 

I can tell this person is a non-shipper, who is just so tired of the shipping war, and rubs off any pairing moment of the manga as a "trolling".


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:17 PM

Guys, what IF Kishi parallel Hinata to Rin? How would you react? He can pull chapter 615 on us and i'm not surprised if he do it again, ya know.. And what do you think will happen to narusaku?

A simple answer: Nothing in common at least = No parallel. Hinata and Rin parallel falls in this equation.


Edited by T XD, 11 October 2013 - 05:58 PM.





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