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[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I saw her "hold your hand and walk with you" more as her way of saying "I'll be on equal footing with you and work with you in the end", rather than admiring him from behind. Mentioning hi "big, manly hand" was followed by her saying it made her feel safe - it was a momentary thought, not something she decided to pause the war and ponder on. The next chapter, she's off and fighting like everyone else. As for worrying "excessively" about Naruto: the point of the war is to keep him safe, and it's been established that she loves him. Her worry isn't too bizarre or unwarranted, even with Gai and Kakashi in worse shape.

Bolded: Really hope that's the case. I would hate for Hinata's character development to be reduced to "I will be with Naruto, no matter what" in times of war. It doesn't matter, it's so fangirl-y to think of something like when your cousin died for you. That moment would've been so much better if she thought something along the lines of "Neji, your sacrifice isn't in vain!" Yeah, the was the point of her whole speech but it's IMO insulting to Neji's memory to think over something so insignificant after what just happened. Neji should be at the forefront of your mind, not your crush holding your hand. At least not like that. I'm not trying to belittle Hinata, I just don't like how one-dimensial Kishimoto writes her. I don't have any hatred or dislike for her character, I like her niceness and gentleness but I'm largely indifferent to her.

Which is nice. I give Hinata credit for focusing on fighting soon after. However, her excessive worrying clouds her judgement. Remember back in the "Find Sasuke" Arc in Part 2? She freaked out after Naruto got hit by Obito once I know she loves him but at least be a little more composed and believe in Naruto's abilities more than that. It is excessive. Ridiculously excessive. It's not bizarre, but you can't just ignore bleeding Guy and Kakashi when Naruto's mostly fine. It was entirely unneeded and would've been better if she said nothing at all.

(being too impulsive on one occasion implies an overwhelming emotional state, not general immaturity. that aside, she clearly thought about it before jumping in; it wasn't an "oh naruto's in trouble so i must risk my life! *jumps in*" decision. it was a "naruto's in trouble, and he doesn't look like he's getting out of it any time soon... *pause, deliberation that spans a few panels* i'm going to risk my life and help him as much as i can." decision.)

I disagree about Sakura's situation being different - she had no idea what Naruto would do to her, and she didn't take the time to think about it. Yamato yelled at her to not run towards Naruto, but she did anyways because she was overwhelmed with emotion at seeing him like that. Naruto being her friend had no bearing on whether or not she took the danger into account when she did that. Hinata was against an enemy she knew she couldn't defeat, and knew the risks; she chose to act anyways because she'd actually weighed the risks, and in her mind they were worth stepping in to try and defend Naruto. I'd be critical of both, but also forgiving considering the motivation for each. I'd just be more forgiving towards Hinata because I think what she did had some nobility to it *shrug*

Impulsiveness can go hand in hand with immaturity. If you don't think about what you're doing and it ends in disaster, it's somewhat immature. Sakura's not spared from this either, like I said. However, I'm forgiving of it 'cause I understand what both we're going through in those situations. Bolded: That is exactly what happened. I bet you anything that was her exact thought. She truly barely thought things through at all. She saw he was pinned, yet she didn't try and get the chakra recievers out? Isn't that what she should've done? Or get other people to help? You can't deny that. Hinata wasn't being very useful. However, I'm not holding it against her because of the situation she was in. I completely get it. Maybe I sound critical and I am, but I would never hate on her for not doing the right thing. The situation was pressuring, it's not even really a surprise she didn't do the obvious.

It is different somewhat. Naruto's a friend, Pain an enemy. But yes, at the same time, Sakura should've known Naruto wasn't in his right mind. That's why I say both Hinata and Sakura were equally impulsive in these situations. Second Bolded: And what Sakura did is not noble? I strongly disagree with that. Sakura's main reason was very noble and foreshadowed her motivation for her confession to Naruto. She ran up to him and said: "Enough, Naruto! It's okay, I can save Sasuke for you!". That whole moment wasn't even about her, it was about her sadness and pain that Naruto would go this far to save Sasuke. She hated seeing him like that and she hated the lengths he would go, even at cost of himself. Sakura also felt guilty that she was somewhat responsible for it 'cause of the PoaL. I see a lot of nobilty and care here, especially when she said that she'd save Sasuke for him.

Hinata was noble in risking her life, she was not noble in confessing. She was being selfish (Hinata's word, not mine) and getting her feelings off her chest because it was her last chance to do so. That in turn caused Naruto to feel even more guilty and overwhelmed with emotion, leading to even greater degree of rage than if he didn't know this. I'm the opposite. While I'm forgiving of both, I'm more forgiving of Sakura than I am Hinata, especially since I saw no selfishness in that act whatsoever.

I can see you're a big Hinata fan and I'm a big Sakura fan, so we'll probably just have to agree to disagree.

[Don-kun]

Bolded: Really hope that's the case. I would hate for Hinata's character development to be reduced to "I will be with Naruto, no matter what" in times of war. It doesn't matter, it's so fangirl-y to think of something like when your cousin died for you. That moment would've been so much better if she thought something along the lines of "Neji, your sacrifice isn't in vain!" Yeah, the was the point of her whole speech but it's IMO insulting to Neji's memory to think over something so insignificant after what just happened. Neji should be at the forefront of your mind, not your crush holding your hand. At least not like that. I'm not trying to belittle Hinata, I just don't like how one-dimensial Kishimoto writes her. I don't have any hatred or dislike for her character, I like her niceness and gentleness but I'm largely indifferent to her.

Which is nice. I give Hinata credit for focusing on fighting soon after. However, her excessive worrying clouds her judgement. Remember back in the "Find Sasuke" Arc in Part 2? She freaked out after Naruto got hit by Obito once I know she loves him but at least be a little more composed and believe in Naruto's abilities more than that. It is excessive. Ridiculously excessive. It's not bizarre, but you can't just ignore bleeding Guy and Kakashi when Naruto's mostly fine. It was entirely unneeded and would've been better if she said nothing at all.




Impulsiveness can go hand in hand with immaturity. If you don't think about what you're doing and it ends in disaster, it's somewhat immature. Sakura's not spared from this either, like I said. However, I'm forgiving of it 'cause I understand what both we're going through in those situations. Bolded: That is exactly what happened. I bet you anything that was her exact thought. She truly barely thought things through at all. She saw he was pinned, yet she didn't try and get the chakra recievers out? Isn't that what she should've done? Or get other people to help? You can't deny that. Hinata wasn't being very useful. However, I'm not holding it against her because of the situation she was in. I completely get it. Maybe I sound critical and I am, but I would never hate on her for not doing the right thing. The situation was pressuring, it's not even really a surprise she didn't do the obvious.

It is different somewhat. Naruto's a friend, Pain an enemy. But yes, at the same time, Sakura should've known Naruto wasn't in his right mind. That's why I say both Hinata and Sakura were equally impulsive in these situations. Second Bolded: And what Sakura did is not noble? I strongly disagree with that. Sakura's main reason was very noble and foreshadowed her motivation for her confession to Naruto. She ran up to him and said: "Enough, Naruto! It's okay, I can save Sasuke for you!". That whole moment wasn't even about her, it was about her sadness and pain that Naruto would go this far to save Sasuke. She hated seeing him like that and she hated the lengths he would go, even at cost of himself. Sakura also felt guilty that she was somewhat responsible for it 'cause of the PoaL. I see a lot of nobilty and care here, especially when she said that she'd save Sasuke for him.

Hinata was noble in risking her life, she was not noble in confessing. She was being selfish (Hinata's word, not mine) and getting her feelings off her chest because it was her last chance to do so. That in turn caused Naruto to feel even more guilty and overwhelmed with emotion, leading to even greater degree of rage than if he didn't know this. I'm the opposite. While I'm forgiving of both, I'm more forgiving of Sakura than I am Hinata, especially since I saw no selfishness in that act whatsoever.

I can see you're a big Hinata fan and I'm a big Sakura fan, so we'll probably just have to agree to disagree.

This is the best line I read in your post not that I don't agree with the rest because I do, but it's being confirmed in many occasion that a NH vs NS or Sakura vs Hinata will only be a circle of endless debate, it's better to leave it at that since no side will consider the other side something that as being proven more than a million times by now.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@Chatte: Honestly, I have to wait but I am leaning towards that. I may say some remarks on her in the podcast but it can change if we see nothing more than a friendly acknowledgment. If that's really the case, then I would like to reconsider her character. If it's really love, well I stick my thoughts. I don't hate her but sometimes I feel she gets too much credit. She can throw a pebble at the beast and she will be called a heroine. Anyway, I do like your thoughts and it's possible. I would wait for the end of the battle. If she really wanted that, then I will rethink.

[narusaku4ver]

Bolded: Really hope that's the case. I would hate for Hinata's character development to be reduced to "I will be with Naruto, no matter what" in times of war. It doesn't matter, it's so fangirl-y to think of something like when your cousin died for you. That moment would've been so much better if she thought something along the lines of "Neji, your sacrifice isn't in vain!" Yeah, the was the point of her whole speech but it's IMO insulting to Neji's memory to think over something so insignificant after what just happened. Neji should be at the forefront of your mind, not your crush holding your hand. At least not like that. I'm not trying to belittle Hinata, I just don't like how one-dimensial Kishimoto writes her. I don't have any hatred or dislike for her character, I like her niceness and gentleness but I'm largely indifferent to her.

Which is nice. I give Hinata credit for focusing on fighting soon after. However, her excessive worrying clouds her judgement. Remember back in the "Find Sasuke" Arc in Part 2? She freaked out after Naruto got hit by Obito once I know she loves him but at least be a little more composed and believe in Naruto's abilities more than that. It is excessive. Ridiculously excessive. It's not bizarre, but you can't just ignore bleeding Guy and Kakashi when Naruto's mostly fine. It was entirely unneeded and would've been better if she said nothing at all.






Impulsiveness can go hand in hand with immaturity. If you don't think about what you're doing and it ends in disaster, it's somewhat immature. Sakura's not spared from this either, like I said. However, I'm forgiving of it 'cause I understand what both we're going through in those situations. Bolded: That is exactly what happened. I bet you anything that was her exact thought. She truly barely thought things through at all. She saw he was pinned, yet she didn't try and get the chakra recievers out? Isn't that what she should've done? Or get other people to help? You can't deny that. Hinata wasn't being very useful. However, I'm not holding it against her because of the situation she was in. I completely get it. Maybe I sound critical and I am, but I would never hate on her for not doing the right thing. The situation was pressuring, it's not even really a surprise she didn't do the obvious.

It is different somewhat. Naruto's a friend, Pain an enemy. But yes, at the same time, Sakura should've known Naruto wasn't in his right mind. That's why I say both Hinata and Sakura were equally impulsive in these situations. Second Bolded: And what Sakura did is not noble? I strongly disagree with that. Sakura's main reason was very noble and foreshadowed her motivation for her confession to Naruto. She ran up to him and said: "Enough, Naruto! It's okay, I can save Sasuke for you!". That whole moment wasn't even about her, it was about her sadness and pain that Naruto would go this far to save Sasuke. She hated seeing him like that and she hated the lengths he would go, even at cost of himself. Sakura also felt guilty that she was somewhat responsible for it 'cause of the PoaL. I see a lot of nobilty and care here, especially when she said that she'd save Sasuke for him.

Hinata was noble in risking her life, she was not noble in confessing. She was being selfish (Hinata's word, not mine) and getting her feelings off her chest because it was her last chance to do so. That in turn caused Naruto to feel even more guilty and overwhelmed with emotion, leading to even greater degree of rage than if he didn't know this. I'm the opposite. While I'm forgiving of both, I'm more forgiving of Sakura than I am Hinata, especially since I saw no selfishness in that act whatsoever.

I can see you're a big Hinata fan and I'm a big Sakura fan, so we'll probably just have to agree to disagree.

There's no debate whatesover because it all ends with agree to disagree no matter how arguments and opinion it will all end with agree to disagree the same that happened a while ealier with NS and NH debate that had, always agree to disagree.
I dont see the point of shippers debate's i never went on it the only thing is do is showing my point of view to others NS fans like me i never did nad never will debate with other fans or other issues because always end like this.

Moreover hinata did not confessed to Naruto she declared herself to her, i dont see the point of saying "i love you to someome" without expecting an answer as selfish, she wanted to do something there, and hinata is not the most intelligent person there, and about her, Naruto is the most important person to her, forget Neji, Kiba, SHino her father whatesover forget about them, Naruto is the person that is most important to her, Neji died but who cares Naruto is there at her side.
She's one dimensional there's no panels on part 2 where she does not think about Naruto or says something that is not related to him.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 03 February 2013 - 03:09 PM.

[Slextrem]

There's no debate whatesover because it all ends with agree to disagree no matter how arguments and opinion it will all end with agree to disagree the same that happened a while ealier with NS and NH debate that had, always agree to disagree.
I dont see the point of shippers debate's i never went on it the only thing is do is showing my point of view to others NS fans like me i never did nad never will debate with other fans or other issues because always end like this.

How is it supposed to end? Going into a debate, everyone should realize that they aren't about to change the perspective of the other person. If you're talking to someone that's open minded, then maybe they'll change their mind or at least accept the other perspective, but chances are much more likely that both parties will stick with their original views on the issue and agree to disagree. What else can come of a debate if one has argued their view to the point that there's nothing more to say? Typically, petty fighting. That's why it's best to end it on a positive note. I don't see it as a bad thing. If you think it's a waste of time then don't participate.

[narusaku4ver]

How is it supposed to end? Going into a debate, everyone should realize that they aren't about to change the perspective of the other person. If you're talking to someone that's open minded, then maybe they'll change their mind or at least accept the other perspective, but chances are much more likely that both parties will stick with their original views on the issue and agree to disagree. What else can come of a debate if one has argued their view to the point that there's nothing more to say? Typically, petty fighting. That's why it's best to end it on a positive note. I don't see it as a bad thing. If you think it's a waste of time then don't participate.

Because mostly fans ship a pairing because they like, take example of SS fans, SS is a bad pairing, abusive, no romance anymore and would end bad for Sakura character's but they like it no matter what you say that SS is bad, that Sakura struggles because of this love will not make them, "omg i didnt realized that SS is bad i should stop shipping it", they will continue shipping, Hinata is one-dimensional character, even databooks and kishimoto interviews states this, so why keeps debating when the manga literally shows it.
I didnt got surprised when on her thoughts she didnt even bought up a single flashback from Neji why? because despite being her cousin he wasnt important to her, she does not have a solid background she does not have other strong bonds besides Naruto.
It's just Naruto.

Her favorite word is : self confidence and only showed it on 615 kind of ironic...

Edited by narusaku4ver, 03 February 2013 - 04:13 PM.

[narulsaku]

@romance girl-- hinata is one of the important character. yes sometime she acts like silly, but still important. and about debates . debates are for argument and agree to disagree. we debate to prove ourselves right others do the same. so mostly the prticipaters stick to their theory as selex

[Slextrem]

Last night, 619 was released, and in the chapter Sakura confronts Naruto. Feeling like she's undeserving of him, she says, "...You know, Hinata is a really nice girl. You should accept her confession."

Naruto pauses. Then he gives her one of his infamous "I'm hurt but I'm going to do my best to cover it up so you don't worry" smiles and says, "...Yeah. Maybe you're right."

After that, Naruto flashes back to when Kushina was telling him to pick a girl like her. He thinks, "Mom, I have a girl I like named Sakura-chan..."

And then I woke up.

[narusaku4ver]

Last night, 619 was released, and in the chapter Sakura confronts Naruto. Feeling like she's undeserving of him, she says, "...You know, Hinata is a really nice girl. You should accept her confession."

Naruto pauses. Then he gives her one of his infamous "I'm hurt but I'm going to do my best to cover it up so you don't worry" smiles and says, "...Yeah. Maybe you're right."

After that, Naruto flashes back to when Kushina was telling him to pick a girl like her. He thinks, "Mom, I have a girl I like named Sakura-chan..."

And then I woke up.

Or kishimoto thinks : "Oh my god i thought i was using my notebook"
Assistant 1 :"too late already sent to my editor"
Kishimoto "what's kubo's phone number?"
Kubo : "just tell them that htey were struck on a genjutsu world all along like Matrix".
Kishimoto : "what an awesome idea."
Kishimoto :"Yeah, Sasuke is just a genjutsu he's madara who inserted himself on the genjutsu world, thank you Kubo now everything makes sense".

Edited by narusaku4ver, 03 February 2013 - 04:20 PM.

[swagosaurus]

Last night, 619 was released, and in the chapter Sakura confronts Naruto. Feeling like she's undeserving of him, she says, "...You know, Hinata is a really nice girl. You should accept her confession."

Naruto pauses. Then he gives her one of his infamous "I'm hurt but I'm going to do my best to cover it up so you don't worry" smiles and says, "...Yeah. Maybe you're right."

After that, Naruto flashes back to when Kushina was telling him to pick a girl like her. He thinks, "Mom, I have a girl I like named Sakura-chan..."

And then I woke up.

those feels. D:

[Slextrem]

those feels. D:

That was me when I woke up. I couldn't decide if I wanted it to be real or not.

[kirabook]

XD Haha. I had a VERY similar dream a few nights ago, except Naruto again insisted straight out that Sakura go with Sasuke, for which she got really angry and had another deep thought moment. That was about it really.

[Codus N]

Or kishimoto thinks : "Oh my god i thought i was using my notebook"
Assistant 1 :"too late already sent to my editor"
Kishimoto "what's kubo's phone number?"
Kubo : "just tell them that htey were struck on a genjutsu world all along like Matrix".
Kishimoto : "what an awesome idea."
Kishimoto :"Yeah, Sasuke is just a genjutsu he's madara who inserted himself on the genjutsu world, thank you Kubo now everything makes sense".

XD Haha. I had a VERY similar dream a few nights ago, except Naruto again insisted straight out that Sakura go with Sasuke, for which she got really angry and had another deep thought moment. That was about it really.

I actually had the opposite a week ago. I dreamt Hinata going all Mary Sue on us and Kurama says she's the reincarnation of the sage's wife, and she's suddenly all powerful on par with Naruto and Madara *shudders*

[T XD]

Last night, 619 was released, and in the chapter Sakura confronts Naruto. Feeling like she's undeserving of him, she says, "...You know, Hinata is a really nice girl. You should accept her confession."

Naruto pauses. Then he gives her one of his infamous "I'm hurt but I'm going to do my best to cover it up so you don't worry" smiles and says, "...Yeah. Maybe you're right."

After that, Naruto flashes back to when Kushina was telling him to pick a girl like her. He thinks, "Mom, I have a girl I like named Sakura-chan..."

And then I woke up.

* Take a deep breath *

I don't know why, but before I got to " and then I woke up ", I was like..." What the hell happened ? "

Or kishimoto thinks : "Oh my god i thought i was using my notebook"
Assistant 1 :"too late already sent to my editor"
Kishimoto "what's kubo's phone number?"
Kubo : "just tell them that htey were struck on a genjutsu world all along like Matrix".
Kishimoto : "what an awesome idea."
Kishimoto :"Yeah, Sasuke is just a genjutsu he's madara who inserted himself on the genjutsu world, thank you Kubo now everything makes sense".

Lol
Everything makes sense with a genjutsu

[narulsaku]

slextrem i think that you ll feel wired hearing this question but when actually you saw the dream. accurate time please? and ya know i ve dremt alot of dreams about naruto. lots of. if i ll make a list the manga will end first.

[Chatte]

You know when I started to think like this? When in 573 looked all romantic, yet, Kishi made all this happen without almost any romantic undertones from Naruto.
And I consider her more mature from the rejection point of view. Sorry if I didn't made myself clear enough
She still has things to work on but I do see her getting there.

[luffyq1]

So let me get this straight. Some of you expect Hinata to realize Naruto loves Sakura through their interaction, and thus she backs off her attempt to be with him. End of story, right? That would be fine and all, but what about Naruto? Just because Hinata backs off from pursing a romantic relationship with Naruto doesn't mean he's going to forget about her confession, and leave it completely up to her to watch from a distance of Naruto & Sakura interacting. How in the world would Naruto know that Hinata wants to back off from pursing a romantic relationship with him through watching some interaction between Naruto & Sakura? Doesn't make any sense. There's no doubt in my mind that he will address his feelings to Hinata, whether he likes her or not.

Edited by luffyq1, 03 February 2013 - 11:45 PM.

[narusaku4ver]

So let me get this straight. Some of you expect Hinata to realize Naruto loves Sakura through their interaction, and thus she backs off her attempt to be with him. End of story, right? That would be fine and all, but what about Naruto? [b]Just because Hinata backs off from pursing a romantic relationship with Naruto doesn't mean he's going to forget about her confession, and leave it completely up to her to watch from a distance of Naruto & Sakura interacting. How in the world would Naruto know that Hinata wants to back off from pursing a romantic relationship with him through watching some interaction between Naruto & Sakura? Doesn't make any sense. There's no doubt in my mind that he will address his feelings to Hinata, whether he likes her or not.

The time that he would bought up the confession already passed when he meet her again and reminded about how she was strong, i dont think that he would talk with Hinata about her confession because he's a typical shounen hero, because this logic still has a double standard, how Sakura can pursue Sasuke if she knows that Naruto loves her?
I hope you get it.

Naruto saying that he does not love her will only break her heart and makes things worse the best is her learning though interactions which is the most probably.
Naruto does not worries about Hinata on the same way that Sakura does about Naruto, Naruto and Hinata relationship did not reached the same level of their interaction.

And yes it makes sense, it's going on the same way when Naruto learned that Sakura loved Sasuke, he didnt back off from pushing a relationship with Sakura but for Hinata's case it would be already too late and would wish for Naruto to be happy the same way with Sakura, Naruto wished her to be happy at the cost of his own happiness but after her development towards Naruto and Sasuke only doing bad things for Sakura it's what it makes NS most probably.
Sakura did anything bad that would make Naruto give up on her and Naruto never give a hint of romantic intent towards Hinata and didnt even make a comment of Hinata's looks and etc..

Edited by narusaku4ver, 04 February 2013 - 12:00 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

At this point, I won't be surprised that Kishi won't even address it at all. Call it bad writing if anyone wants to, but I would call it usual Shounen. I mean I went through this, so it won't be new. I'm not saying I'm right, but if we end the manga without ever addressing Hinata's feelings, well just remember what I said. I think it goes all down to what Kishi really thinks. I always feel like he's scratching his head and saying "Huh?" For any Hinata related, mainly romance aspects. That's my current thought and he can prove me wrong, but for now, I'm not convinced.

[narusaku4ver]

At this point, I won't be surprised that Kishi won't even address it at all. Call it bad writing if anyone wants to, but I would call it usual Shounen. I mean I went through this, so it won't be new. I'm not saying I'm right, but if we end the manga without ever addressing Hinata's feelings, well just remember what I said. I think it goes all down to what Kishi really thinks. I always feel like he's scratching his head and saying "Huh?" For any Hinata related, mainly romance aspects. That's my current thought and he can prove me wrong, but for now, I'm not convinced.

It's not a bad writing it would be if Naruto showed concern about Hinata on the same way that Sakura showed for Naruto.