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[Fairy Tail Fantard]

LMAO

 

If some fillers can be considered "technically" canon then why don't we consider Road to Charasuke canon as well, where both alternate versions of Ino and Chouji admitted Sakura is really meant to be with Naruto.    

Don't forget episode 235

[Hopestar]

The love triangle was already estabilished it was more to show the readers it's reasons and it was more focused on Naruto than Sakura or Sasuke, the development it had was Naruto's crush becoming love, and Sakura who learned about having no parents and loneliness and it came from the real Sasuke, it didnt developed nothing on the terms of Sakura's feelings because even then the purpose of seeking his acknowledgement was since she developed her crush on Sasuke, and she got her acknowledgement on her confession(end of part 1) that is the development she got.

 

What makes worse is that she already got the acknowledgement from Sasuke on Sakura's confession for Sasuke.

 WTF!!! SASUKE ACKNOWLEDGES SAKURA!!!  

Dude you have to be kidding because the guy barely notices her and sees her as annoying! Hell tried to kill her! 

[rocci]

Sasuke acknowledge sakura as a lo....l female teammate.

[Jake]

 WTF!!! SASUKE ACKNOWLEDGES SAKURA!!!

Dude you have to be kidding because the guy barely notices her and sees her as annoying! Hell tried to kill her! 

 

Then why did Sasuke say thank you to Sakura after her confession?

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Hate to be the one to break this sad story to you but kishimoto signed off on those episodes so those "filler" episodes are technically canon (don’t just believe me do the research). Or was I just imagining things when Konoha was being rebuilt inside a crater? And so what if Naruto has done  “those things” for the other characters (only 2 of those things actually but well go with it anyways)? You are missing the point. His actions affected Hinata just the same. Those were her reasons why she liked him and why she risked her life to save him. Not reasons that set her apart. So your question initially was name reasons why she risked her life for him to ,now, what makes Hinata’s character different and /or better from the other characters? Fine, very well then. Let’s start with character development. Actually, you know what let’s try a simple exercise shall we? Try to sum up sakura’s (or any other female character’s) life story, then try to sum up Hinata’s. Don’t worry I’ll wait. Let me know what you find. 

 



 

Okay, let's say I'll buy into this argument and say fillers count. Even if all of those NH "moments"/Hinata actually involving herself into Naruto's life (Part 1 Beetle arc), it doesn't change the fact that NaruHina is still one-sided.  After her confession, after Sakura's confession, Naruto still openly declared he was in love with Sakura. Episode 235, remember? So if all of that counts, then Naruto's love confession must count too.

 

Seriously, this is ridiculous. Fillers do not, in anyway whatsoever, count. Not even NS 235. Kishimoto allowed them to turn his manga into an anime, but there's nothing more than that. I heard somewhere he doesn't even watch the anime.  And honestly, I'm getting really tired of fans still leaping at the chance to say otherwise. It's unbecoming for serious debater IMO.

 

As for the last bit, I'm not even going to try on that one. Hinata's life has revolved entirely around Naruto and what she wants for him, while Sakura's revolved around becoming more useful, Team 7, and particularly finding a way to spare Naruto's feelings or pressure. From that standpoint, while Naruto is deeply tied into both their core characters, at least Sakura sets other goals in her life besides "what she wants from Naruto" or "what she wants from Sasuke." She's not nearly as satellite-esque as Hinata so she has more layers and dimension. That, logically, makes her a better developed character.   

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 08 October 2013 - 01:47 AM.

[morgaine4]

 

Then why did Sasuke say thank you to Sakura after her confession?

 

This might be inaccurate, but I have read that saying "thank you" and nothing else is considered the polite way to reject a confession in Japan.  But I could be completely off base (and probably am).  (Megi, am I totally wrong?)

Edited by morgaine4, 08 October 2013 - 02:02 AM.

[Superman333]

 

Then why did Sasuke say thank you to Sakura after her confession?

he basically told her no thank you to her confession . 

[Darkness]

 

 

This might be inaccurate, but I have read that saying "thank you" and nothing else is considered the polite way to reject a confession in Japan.  But I could be completely off base (and probably am).  (Megi, am I totally wrong?)

 

It is not only in Japan. Wherever you are offered something, even if it is non-material such as love, if you just say "thank you" and walk away, this is definitely the same as refusing. Even if you acknowledge the offerer good intentions, it would still mean "no, thank you".

Edited by Darkness, 08 October 2013 - 02:15 AM.

[Superman333]

 

 

 

It is not only in Japan. Wherever you are offered something, even if it is non-material such as love, if you just say "thank you" and walk away, this is definitely the same as refusing. Even if you acknowledge the offerer good intentions, it would still mean "no, thank you".

 

so then if Sasuke basically told her no thank you to her confession wasn't SS basically done with back in part 1 .? thats what it seems like to me . not to mention it only got worse after that . 

Edited by Superman333, 08 October 2013 - 02:18 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I believe that naruto is stubborn to believe that sakura will never love her and always love sasukeh just like how obito believe that rin love kakashi in their battle of genjutsu.

And I think obito really love to see a pairing suffer, I don't know why.
I mean yahikoxkonan, sasukarin, minakushi, and probably NS*gulp*.

You know, that's strangely coincidence. In fact, I made a joke that in the movie, Obito brought Sakura along with Naruto to genjutsu only because he has a shot kill a pairing altogether.

[Jake]

This might be inaccurate, but I have read that saying "thank you" and nothing else is considered the polite way to reject a confession in Japan.  But I could be completely off base (and probably am).  (Megi, am I totally wrong?)

It is not only in Japan. Wherever you are offered something, even if it is non-material such as love, if you just say "thank you" and walk away, this is definitely the same as refusing. Even if you acknowledge the offerer good intentions, it would still be "no, thank you".

 

Sasuke isn't and hasn't been a very polite person, evident by the fact that he never uses honorifics with anyone.

[megi]

It is as darkness says, I also thought it is not just in one culture, and that it would be the context of the "thank you" that matters. 

 

 

This might be inaccurate, but I have read that saying "thank you" and nothing else is considered the polite way to reject a confession in Japan.  But I could be completely off base (and probably am).  (Megi, am I totally wrong?)

 

This isn't totally wrong. Because confessions are taken really seriously, many people would tend to politely reject a confession in this way. Because people are not confrontational, a hard rejection is well...harsh haha.

 

 

 

Sasuke isn't and hasn't been a very polite person, evident by the fact that he never uses honorifics with anyone.

 

Oh he's definitely a rude boy haha!

 

Forgive me, but I'm not really sure what the debate is?

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

It always amuses me when NH fans say Sakura causes Naruto the most pain. Hinata could have hurt him the most since she always stocked him. She could have reached out and been their for him, but no. She hid in the shadows and admired him from a distance. SHE caused more pain to Naruto than Sakura has so far.

[Hiraishin]

It is as darkness says, I also thought it is not just in one culture, and that it would be the context of the "thank you" that matters. 

 

 

This isn't totally wrong. Because confessions are taken really seriously, many people would tend to politely reject a confession in this way. Because people are not confrontational, a hard rejection is well...harsh haha.

 

 

 

Oh he's definitely a rude boy haha!

 

Forgive me, but I'm not really sure what the debate is?

I think the debate is whether Sasuke's "thank you" after Sakura's confession was just a polite way to reject her confession, or if he was actually thanking her for something.   The way Kishi wrote it, I'm inclined to believe that he thanked her for trying (to stop him), and/or for being a good teammate to him (cause Team 7 was pretty much like a family to him), instead of just politely rejecting her confession. Kishi made it quite vague, though.

Edited by mydearbeloved, 08 October 2013 - 02:44 AM.

[deviouslyChaotic]

 
I'll just post here why the bench scene doesnt make sense.
We alreayd got 626 chapters.
We got two moments when the scene was supposed to be bought up (Confession and Summit)
She barely kissed Sasuke and there's the compliment.
 
A scene like that doesnt make sense to me even if it's to give some fake SS development or to be a meaningfull moment where her crush become love.
Without that scene, on 627 chapters, we wont get any clue why Naruto loves Sakura, without it we only would get "she's a girl that i like" Naruto never stated why he loves Sakura after that, even when Sai figure out he loved her, and most importantly it was the moment where his crush for Sakura become love.
That scene on my opinion is complete.

If it doesn't make sense, then it should be addressed again in order to make sense of it. I admit, it is weird it was never EVER brought up again. Neither Sakura nor Naruto brought it up again... Yes, I agree that bench scene made both Naruto and the audience realize why he had a crush on her, but I don't believe that that was the exact moment his crush transitioned to love. True his feelings intensified and it could've very well affected how he viewed her, but I feel as though his love developed as the series progressed. It did not come into existence at te drop of a hat. I guess I'll continue believing what I want to believe and you'll believe what you want to believe until Kishi proves us otherwise(if he ever does that is).

[morgaine4]

 

Sasuke isn't and hasn't been a very polite person, evident by the fact that he never uses honorifics with anyone.

 

That doesn't mean he wouldn't want to let her off easily before he knocked her out.  He did care about her back then to some extent as his teammate (didn't he refer to her as a precious person at some point), it was just a bod he could throw away easily (unlike his bond with Naruto).

 

 

 

 

 

It is not only in Japan. Wherever you are offered something, even if it is non-material such as love, if you just say "thank you" and walk away, this is definitely the same as refusing. Even if you acknowledge the offerer good intentions, it would still mean "no, thank you".

 

 

 

It is as darkness says, I also thought it is not just in one culture, and that it would be the context of the "thank you" that matters. 

 

 

 

Thanks to the both of you!  I could see it being a part of many different cultures for sure, but not all.  Like bluntness is important in some cultures (like actually saying "no"), I would say that in the US (at least in some regions/communities) a simple "thank you" could also mean "I like you, but I can't say that I love you yet," and of course in Indian culture "thank you" might  be considered a little rude depending on the context of the confession (like in Indian culture you don't say thank you to family or close friends, that's seen as a formality and if you're close to someone you don't have to thank them, I've hurt my grandmother so many times by instinctively saying "thank you" haha).

 

 

 

This isn't totally wrong. Because confessions are taken really seriously, many people would tend to politely reject a confession in this way. Because people are not confrontational, a hard rejection is well...harsh haha.

 

 

 

Thanks for answering, Megi, sorry for the endless questions!

 

 

It always amuses me when NH fans say Sakura causes Naruto the most pain. Hinata could have hurt him the most since she always stocked him. She could have reached out and been their for him, but no. She hid in the shadows and admired him from a distance. SHE caused more pain to Naruto than Sakura has so far.

 

Not to mention all the pain she could have caused with her futile attempt to sacrifice herself.  What if Naruto had "come back" only to find out that because he went Kyuubi mode he actually killed several people, including Hinata.  I mean, HInata had a chance then to plot with the people around her, to come up with a plan, and then try to distract Pain while someone freed Naruto (unlike Sakura who didn't have that chance at the Tenchi Bridge, and unlike Sakura her emotions weren't being manipulated as Sakura's were with Kabuto).  I guess she meant well, but I never figured out what her intentions actually were.  It almost felt like she jumped in, fully knowing she couldn't do anything, fully knowing she'd be killed and wouldn't help Naruto in any way --so that she could confess without having to deal with a possible rejection?  I'm really not trying to be harsh, but that's all that the only understanding I have of her actions at that point.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think the debate is whether Sasuke's "thank you" after Sakura's confession was just a polite way to reject her confession, or if he was actually thanking her for something.   The way Kishi wrote it, I'm inclined to believe that he thanked her for trying (to stop him), and/or for being a good teammate to him (cause Team 7 was pretty much like a family to him), instead of just politely rejecting her confession. Kishi made it quite vague, though.

I remember hearing that Kishi's editor did the confession or helped by them. I forgot which. Anyway, to me, it's comrade because there's no follow up, rather an end that has no question left. If it was, there should databook questioning this rather than description, there should be more on this from Sakura, there should be more emotion, or rather an emotion for Sasuke, and so on.

At this point, it's not a huge deal as one would want to make it to be. I mean it's nice for comrade/team 7 but that's what it is. It's always funny to make a speech about what does it really mean, only the fans to strike back. I'm afraid to speak up on Hinata's real character purpose because as long as it has love, they don't want hear otherwise. Not all of them but I can be a new enemy in tumblr, YouTube, etc.

Honestly, I don't really think this anymore. If only one of them question it or even remind themselves this in a solo moment, not a compile like Sakura before taking a stab, then I'll reconsidered. But again, I don't see no follow up, especially since Sasuke is pretty much bromance to the end.

[Darkness]

 

so then if Sasuke basically told her no thank you to her confession wasn't SS basically done with back in part 1 .? thats what it seems like to me . not to mention it only got worse after that . 

 

Not exactly. That alone did nothing against a possible SS relationship since Sakura continued to love Sasuke the same way and Sasuke continued to be his selfish self. What sank SS ship were Sasuke evil actions in part 2, Sakura's development and lastly her increasing selfless feelings towards Naruto.

 

Sasuke isn't and hasn't been a very polite person, evident by the fact that he never uses honorifics with anyone.

 

I agree that Sasuke acknowledged Sakura's feelings, after all she desperately shouted them at him. But it still means no, no matter how you look at it.

Edited by Darkness, 08 October 2013 - 03:07 AM.

[megi]

I think the debate is whether Sasuke's "thank you" after Sakura's confession was just a polite way to reject her confession, or if he was actually thanking her for something.   The way Kishi wrote it, I'm inclined to believe that he thanked her for trying (to stop him), and/or for being a good teammate to him (cause Team 7 was pretty much like a family to him), instead of just politely rejecting her confession. Kishi made it quite vague, though.

 

Oh! Well, I don't see why it can't be both 

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

It always amuses me when NH fans say Sakura causes Naruto the most pain. Hinata could have hurt him the most since she always stocked him. She could have reached out and been their for him, but no. She hid in the shadows and admired him from a distance. SHE caused more pain to Naruto than Sakura has so far.

 

The thing with this is they kind of both caused him pain. With Hinata, it was just a lot more indirect and subtle. Given her shyness and how she always looked up to Naruto, it was easy for people to ignore the fact that she never spared him his childhood loneliness when she could have. She was always watching him, but never being his friend or helping him.  I get she was shy, but you still can't deny this. NH fans explain Hinata is better because she never hated Naruto. Okay. Like I always say to them .... what did she do with it? Literally nothing besides sucking inspiration from him for how many years he was suffering. It didn't make a difference to him whether Hinata always liked him or not, he was still lonely and felt like everyone hated him. In this case, "It's the thought that counts" really isn't enough. What I always stick to is that if character is believed to have an advantage, it doesn't mean they're better. What decides that is what they do with the advantage given. Hinata's care for him did nothing.

 

Sakura's slights were a lot more obvious and direct on an emotional level. She did hate him as a child, though it was never because of the same reason mostly everyone did. Sakura had always seen Naruto as a person as well, just the fact that her only reason for disliking him was because he was annoying. Negatively yes, but at least she hated "Naruto the idiot, not Naruto the Jinchuriki." Similarly, Sasuke and Shikamaru displayed this. Her parents instilling fear in her had absolutely nothing to do with it, which is what I think made her care for him easier. By the Chunin Exams arc, she already admitted she was wrong about him and that he would prove everyone wrong. That's quite a leap in just a few months.

 

However, Sakura's childhood hate of him is not the issue. The area in which she caused Naruto the most pain was her love for Sasuke, but she never realized this until later since Naruto was always trying to hide his feelings from her. Wrong as it was, Sakura was simply ignorant. Even in the worst scene of this, the PoaL. Yet, I also don't see why this makes NH better. At least Sakura made an effort to ease his burdens and be there for him in anyway possible while Hinata was still hiding behind trees. More than an effort, she made it her personal goal. I'm not saying she always makes the right choices, but at least she's trying. I really don't understand why fans still can't believe Naruto fell in love with Sakura. While Hinata was the one always caring, Sakura is the one who truly knows and understands him. Ironically, she's been the one truly by his side this whole time.  

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 08 October 2013 - 03:21 AM.