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#9681 MangaReader

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:00 PM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Feb 2 2013, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A bit off topic, but I've been sort of brainstorming/pondering lately.

I honestly think NH is impossible at this point. Maybe back in the Pein arc, if Kishi wanted to, he could have easily developed it. But it's too late now. Why?

If Kishi were to make NH canon, he not only has to address the fact of Naruto having feelings for Hinata, but also the fact of Naruto not having feelings for Sakura anymore. Seriously, I absolutely can't see that happening.

Another point is that if he truly wanted NH to be canon, he wouldn't have made a huge movie with Naruto having feelings for Sakura. Sure, you can argue that he was just being nice to the NS fans, but honestly, do people actually think he would waste a whole movie teasing a ship that would never be canon?

Perhaps RtN was his way of compensating for the future of the manga; in a way, telling NS/Sakura fans to hold on and wait for their moments.

Honestly though... nothings really too late. It's bad writing if it happens last minute, but it's not impossible. Doesn't mean I want this to happen, but the author is capable of doing whatever he/she (I know Kishi is a guy XD) pleases, even if they want to screw over what they've worked on.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:30 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Feb 1 2013, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Speaking of Chikara, I really get the feeling that Naruto will actually propose somehow in the middle of battle later. Either the Sasuke battle or the one against either Madara or Orochimaru. That'd almost top Ed's proposal in FMA IMO.



I wonder about that. What if Obito points out how Kakashi completely favored Sasuke over their own sensei's son in the beginning?? If he points the similarities between him and Naruto, I wonder if he would ask the question of since Naruto is basically a reminder of Obito, wouldn't Kakashi have wanted him to become a great ninja unlike what Obito never got to achieve (I'm talking within the context of his supposed death). It would be interesting. Bonus points if he throws NS into the mix and asking, wouldn't he have wanted Naruto to achieve what Obito couldn't?? (get the girl).



I really wonder if this will involve Hinata. It'd be interesting if Sakura says point blank he deserves someone else, and suggests Hinata only for Naruto to turn her down and have the conversation escalate into a fight with Sakura berating herself in front of him while Naruto keeps coming back and stubbornly says he still wants her.



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I actually thought about this and given what Sakura has seen already with Naruto and Hinata in this war, I can totally see it happening. I wouldn't be surprised if she got a bit jealous and then realized her feelings, but decides not to play on them because she feels she doesn't deserve him at this point. She may even compare herself to her. Hinata was able to fight side by side with him, and she gave him a pep talk. I want her freakin' response on the matter...

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:09 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Feb 2 2013, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I actually thought about this and given what Sakura has seen already with Naruto and Hinata in this war, I can totally see it happening. I wouldn't be surprised if she got a bit jealous and then realized her feelings, but decides not to play on them because she feels she doesn't deserve him at this point. She may even compare herself to her. Hinata was able to fight side by side with him, and she gave him a pep talk. I want her freakin' response on the matter...

I dont know where the conclusion that sakura see the handholding because it was pretty obvious for me that she did not see it, because if she has she would see Neji dying and didnt had the necessity of osme random ninja saying that Neji died and shortly after it's shown her along with everyone else wavering.

If this scene had to take place was before Pain's arc but her reaction was to confess to Naruto so Hinata is not a block for NS to happen and not even a blocking from her with the "naruto deserves someome like Hinata" when it's not.
Because if this happened NS would be canon because her feelings could also be interpreted as jealous of Naruto and he would screw up with Hinata>Naruto<>Sakura>Sasuke.

Making NS canon with any doubts, and it's obvious he would not play this.
The outcome of "unworthy" feelings ofr Sakura is 573 were she wants to be with Naruto and support him maybe ot prove for herself that she's not useless, and may think for her to justify Naruto's feelings but about the whole "unworthy" things that kishi did is retarded because

She thinks that she's unworthy of Naruto's feelings because of guilty but she does not think that Sasuke is unworthy of her affection despite he tried to kill her two times, and being arrogant and other's bad things he did to her.
I dont know what kishi was thinking when he did that but for me if he wants to continue playing this i hope he gets rid of Sasuke's feelings and let this "unworthy" as an excuse to keep the drama.

Edited by narusaku4ver, 02 February 2013 - 08:10 PM.


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Feb 2 2013, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really wonder if this will involve Hinata. It'd be interesting if Sakura says point blank he deserves someone else, and suggests Hinata only for Naruto to turn her down and have the conversation escalate into a fight with Sakura berating herself in front of him while Naruto keeps coming back and stubbornly says he still wants her.




That's an interesting scenario there.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:26 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Feb 2 2013, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really wonder if this will involve Hinata. It'd be interesting if Sakura says point blank he deserves someone else, and suggests Hinata only for Naruto to turn her down and have the conversation escalate into a fight with Sakura berating herself in front of him while Naruto keeps coming back and stubbornly says he still wants her.

Haha, I could imagine Sakura hitting Naruto for turning Hinata down. laugh.gif But I wonder, would it be better for Naruto to turn Hinata down because he loves Sakura or, would it be better for Hinata to finally realize that there's something there between Naruto and Sakura, and she lets Naruto go?

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:37 PM

QUOTE (Baiken @ Feb 2 2013, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha, I could imagine Sakura hitting Naruto for turning Hinata down. laugh.gif But I wonder, would it be better for Naruto to turn Hinata down because he loves Sakura or, would it be better for Hinata to finally realize that there's something there between Naruto and Sakura, and she lets Naruto go?

Hinata could realize that she is not the right for Naruto by herself, and let him go. She doesn't need a rejection to understand that they're better as friends. Maybe it's better for her to untain her chains and be free, instead of needing Naruto to push her away. But..I don't know, I have mixed feelings about this. In some ways I want a rejection, and in some ways not. :s But a rejection doesn't need to be more than "I'm sorry. You're a nice girl, but there is someone else I can't take my eyes off."

Edited by sushi., 02 February 2013 - 10:39 PM.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE (Baiken @ Feb 2 2013, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha, I could imagine Sakura hitting Naruto for turning Hinata down. laugh.gif But I wonder, would it be better for Naruto to turn Hinata down because he loves Sakura or, would it be better for Hinata to finally realize that there's something there between Naruto and Sakura, and she lets Naruto go?

I feel that Hinata will be the one to understand and just leave him be. I feel like that hug scene can play a role for her to understand. Yes, she still attempted to get some approval from Naruto, but I think it will finally click in and perhaps after getting what she wanted, she wouldn't mind anymore. She won't cry, rather grow up from it. That's my hope for her. She shouldn't fangirl it anymore. She's supposedly pass that now. It does seem characters with love interest is closing in this moment. Sakura, due to main character and all, is still ongoing.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:46 PM

As much as the NaruHina fans are a thorn in our sides... I don't think they deserve a rejection. Plus it would be much sweeter if Hinata called it off on her own, because then we'd all hear how she became soo OC

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE (Baiken @ Feb 2 2013, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha, I could imagine Sakura hitting Naruto for turning Hinata down. laugh.gif But I wonder, would it be better for Naruto to turn Hinata down because he loves Sakura or, would it be better for Hinata to finally realize that there's something there between Naruto and Sakura, and she lets Naruto go?


Only because of some fans who loves to harass the NS fandom while calling them id**ts for shipping NS I would wish for a rejection, but in regard of the character Hinata and the story itself I don't wish her that, she might annoy me with her selfish way but in some way I still kind of like her.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:02 AM

Personally, I want what is best for the story more than NH rage.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:11 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Feb 2 2013, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I feel that Hinata will be the one to understand and just leave him be. I feel like that hug scene can play a role for her to understand. Yes, she still attempted to get some approval from Naruto, but I think it will finally click in and perhaps after getting what she wanted, she wouldn't mind anymore. She won't cry, rather grow up from it. That's my hope for her. She shouldn't fangirl it anymore. She's supposedly pass that now. It does seem characters with love interest is closing in this moment. Sakura, due to main character and all, is still ongoing.


I feel that Hinata understanding of Naruto feelings could be somewhere around chapter 450 and Sai's revelation.
I don't believe that the Rookies were ignorant to what Sai was telling Sakura, plus the fact that they most know that Sakura was willing to start a relationship with Naruto in order to protect him from Sasuke and the Akatsuki's while at the same time she try to make him happy.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:15 AM

I feel it's better for Hinata herself to realize Naruto's feelings for Sakura, not through a rejection. She's always so Naruto-obsessed and wanting to be with him, seeing that Naruto truly loves Sakura will be letting her down easy (Her and the NH fanbase). I predict that once her business with him is done, she'll instead give her all to lead the Clan for herself, her father, and Neji's sake. I completely love if my prediction is true. Hinata will always care for Naruto, but having her feelings unrequited won't kill her. Instead, she'll get stronger for it and remember what she had wanted in the first place: Naruto's acknowledgement (Done) and having the confidence to be the heiress her father always wanted (Seemingly forgotten through her Naruto tunnel vision currently).

Besides, Kishimoto isn't usually one for outright rejections. Even Sasuke's response to Sakura's feelings, when serious enough, wasn't an outright rejection. It was simply implied ("You haven't changed. You're still annoying, but thank you."). I don't think the NH resolution will suddenly break that record. Also, I'd prefer if some NH fans argued that Hinata gave up too easily or it was OOC instead of calling Naruto a kitten and bashing him for rejecting her. dry.gif

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:00 AM

Actually, Kishi did give a response to that. I was actually talking to someone about that.
Let me copy what I said to them:

I am sure by now that Hinata is a mature individual. And she understands that Naruto would never try to hurt her or anything. He was indeed thanking her but the ulterior motive for hand-holding was chakra transfer. I know you people don't like it, but if this wouldn't have been the case, don't you think we wouldn't even see all we saw back in 616 and Kishi would've made it totally between them two?
Also, I trust Hinata more than actually her fandom sees her, generally speaking, not you.
I don't know why you people, once again, may I remind you, generally speaking, think that she'll collapse if Naruto turns her down. In the first place, he didn't chose to be loved and feelings can't change like that. And I am sure Hinata understands that, as she already has shown. Hinata is stronger than people give her credit for, really! Generally speaking, people, stop seeing her that fragile little being that can't live without being with Naruto. She is more than that and to me, at least, she has proven it. By the speech she had in 573. I am sure everyone saw it romantic. I didn't.
That Hinata there, was a determined Hinata to stop chasing after him, however, if needed, walk by him, hold his hand and all those things, but as a supporting friend that she is. Remember few chapters back when she was disappointed it was Naruto the one who protected her? That was the meaning of her speech back in 573. To help him the best she can! To stop being the one who always gets helped, to help him somehow as well, to be there for him supporting him as well. Even if it means that he won't love her.
How many of you have indeed watched her insight, how many of you have really followed Hinata's character, I wonder. Remember the smile back in 450, at the hug from Sakura? Overall, that was hell of a romantic moment in Japanese culture. The overall context was showing it. What did Hinata do? She smiled when she saw them. That time, made me understand that Hinata is more than she's given credit for. She understood that with them two, t here's a thing going on, but that doesn't mean she won't be there to help and support him, as a friend.
How many have you analyzed her speech in 573? "I'm going to stop chasing you once and for all". That chase, was meant in the way that she won't be running after something that's not there.
People say that's she's going to confront him about her confession. No, people. The confession has been already made, everything is clear, there's nothing more to talk about it. She told him what she had to, now it's up to Naruto to give her an answer. What did Hinata wanted from Naruto the most? Acknowledgement. Rememeber? I wonder how many. What did she get in 615? Yes, acknowledgement! "It's thanks to you that has been by my side". So, her relationship with Naruto, has come to a full circle from the development POV. Back in part 1 she wanted to be acknowledged by Naruto. She finally was.
There's one more thing to her, and her character purpose. To become the heiress of the Hyuga. That requires her father's acknowledgement. That's as well on its way. "She did that just with a Kuusho?" Her father is finally seeing Hinata is more than a fragile girl, she's finally ready to be a heiress.
So, once again, people, once again I remind you, give Hinata more credit with that. She's stronger than many of her fans think she is.
What would you wish? For her to be dependable and unhappy if she doesn't get to be with Naruto or be undependable and on her two feet, able to take it all, even if it means romantic rejection from Naruto's part?
I surely prefer that! And for Sakura too! If it means for her to be dependable on someone, I'd rather see her alone. Because sorry, but I love those 2 girls more than just some pairing fodders, as others would call them.
So, yes, as I said, give Hinata more credit, take a better insight on her character. Hinata has grown!

It was more that I replied but the general idea was that. biggrin.gif

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:31 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Feb 3 2013, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, Kishi did give a response to that. I was actually talking to someone about that.
Let me copy what I said to them:

I am sure by now that Hinata is a mature individual. And she understands that Naruto would never try to hurt her or anything. He was indeed thanking her but the ulterior motive for hand-holding was chakra transfer. I know you people don't like it, but if this wouldn't have been the case, don't you think we wouldn't even see all we saw back in 616 and Kishi would've made it totally between them two?
Also, I trust Hinata more than actually her fandom sees her, generally speaking, not you.
I don't know why you people, once again, may I remind you, generally speaking, think that she'll collapse if Naruto turns her down. In the first place, he didn't chose to be loved and feelings can't change like that. And I am sure Hinata understands that, as she already has shown. Hinata is stronger than people give her credit for, really! Generally speaking, people, stop seeing her that fragile little being that can't live without being with Naruto. She is more than that and to me, at least, she has proven it. By the speech she had in 573. I am sure everyone saw it romantic. I didn't.
That Hinata there, was a determined Hinata to stop chasing after him, however, if needed, walk by him, hold his hand and all those things, but as a supporting friend that she is. Remember few chapters back when she was disappointed it was Naruto the one who protected her? That was the meaning of her speech back in 573. To help him the best she can! To stop being the one who always gets helped, to help him somehow as well, to be there for him supporting him as well. Even if it means that he won't love her.
How many of you have indeed watched her insight, how many of you have really followed Hinata's character, I wonder. Remember the smile back in 450, at the hug from Sakura? Overall, that was hell of a romantic moment in Japanese culture. The overall context was showing it. What did Hinata do? She smiled when she saw them. That time, made me understand that Hinata is more than she's given credit for. She understood that with them two, t here's a thing going on, but that doesn't mean she won't be there to help and support him, as a friend.
How many have you analyzed her speech in 573? "I'm going to stop chasing you once and for all". That chase, was meant in the way that she won't be running after something that's not there.
People say that's she's going to confront him about her confession. No, people. The confession has been already made, everything is clear, there's nothing more to talk about it. She told him what she had to, now it's up to Naruto to give her an answer. What did Hinata wanted from Naruto the most? Acknowledgement. Rememeber? I wonder how many. What did she get in 615? Yes, acknowledgement! "It's thanks to you that has been by my side". So, her relationship with Naruto, has come to a full circle from the development POV. Back in part 1 she wanted to be acknowledged by Naruto. She finally was.
There's one more thing to her, and her character purpose. To become the heiress of the Hyuga. That requires her father's acknowledgement. That's as well on its way. "She did that just with a Kuusho?" Her father is finally seeing Hinata is more than a fragile girl, she's finally ready to be a heiress.
So, once again, people, once again I remind you, give Hinata more credit with that. She's stronger than many of her fans think she is.
What would you wish? For her to be dependable and unhappy if she doesn't get to be with Naruto or be undependable and on her two feet, able to take it all, even if it means romantic rejection from Naruto's part?
I surely prefer that! And for Sakura too! If it means for her to be dependable on someone, I'd rather see her alone. Because sorry, but I love those 2 girls more than just some pairing fodders, as others would call them.
So, yes, as I said, give Hinata more credit, take a better insight on her character. Hinata has grown!

It was more that I replied but the general idea was that. biggrin.gif


See, the problem is I analyzed 573 as Hinata seriously trying to express her feelings and be with Naruto. That's what the "I'll hold your hand and walk with you" line meant. However, what I like about Hinata is that I don't think she'll utterly collapse if Naruto doesn't love her. She still wants to say she tried and that's all that matters. The "I'll stop chasing you" part is a double-edged sword. She completely believes she'll stop chasing him after this war, though her reasoning is different: if she gets her wish and Naruto loves her, Hinata won't be chasing him. She'll be with him. If Naruto doesn't love her and still loves Sakura, then she'll stop chasing him too. Because she tried and that's what she'll be content with. The hand caressing his face moment in 615 supports that, I think. Hinata was doing a romantic gesture and expressing her feelings a little, despite her feelings not being the point of that speech. 450 also supported that she'll be okay if he doesn't love her and ends up with Sakura. The whole point of this is she wants to say she tried to get him to notice her romantically. Be confident, I guess. In the end, she'd be sad that Naruto doesn't see her that way but the acknowledgement is enough.

I agree with you on Hinata not being completely breakable. How can her so-called fans say she loves Naruto more than anything and without him, she won't ever be happy and she won't be able to live? That puts her in a very needy and dependent light. If they truly respect and love her character as much as they say, they wouldn't say this. It makes her out to be even more Naruto-obsessed than what she actually is in the series. Wow, is that saying something. mellow.gif

In my opinion, I don't really think Hinata's mature. She still completely thinks about romance and her own feelings during a war when the cirumstances don't even call for that. Plus, she isn't the most calm person. She lets her emotions cloud her judgement, like she did in when she confessed and suicidally attacked Pain without an actual plan. Or that time when she lost her cool when Naruto got hit once by Obito a while back. Or that other time she she asked if Naruto was alright with Guy/Kakashi wounded much worse than Naruto.

I'm not bashing or anything and I don't hate her, I just don't think she's as mature as you think. smile.gif

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 03 February 2013 - 06:38 AM.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:22 AM

I found it on tumblr:

"In Japan , there is no hate on any Naruto character
for them Sakura is the symbol of beauty

people in the west fail to understand that , for Japanese people , girls who are hot blooded , strong and stubborn are cute and more appealing to the guys , and you may notice that in any manga you read happy.gif ♥"


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:34 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 2 2013, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In my opinion, I don't really think Hinata's mature. She still completely thinks about romance and her own feelings during a war when the cirumstances don't even call for that. Plus, she isn't the most calm person. She lets her emotions cloud her judgement, like she did in when she confessed and suicidally attacked Pain without an actual plan. Or that time when she lost her cool when Naruto got hit once by Obito a while back. Or that other time she she asked if Naruto was alright with Guy/Kakashi wounded much worse than Naruto.

I'm not bashing or anything and I don't hate her, I just don't think she's as mature as you think. smile.gif


She hasn't really thought too much about her own feelings in regards to romance during the war, though. For example, when saved by Naruto in 559, she thinks about how she'd vowed to protect Naruto, but ended up being saved by him - reflecting on herself more than anything else. She's shown concern for Naruto throughout the war, yes, but she hasn't spent her time mooning over him or pining for anything. She's kept her mind on the same task everyone else in the war has: keeping Naruto safe. She just has some more personal motivation added that makes that task even more important to her.

As for her involvement in the Pein battle, she was being rash, but given that her actions led to progress in the battle, I let her slide (not to mention we've seen Sakura do something similar when running towars a kyuubied-Naruto, so...). Besides, choosing to do something suicidal like that does not denote immaturity. Her recent "speech" to Naruto demonstrates a level of maturity that's refreshing - and it isn't exactly "new" given the trend her character development has followed.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:12 AM

QUOTE (Nightlights @ Feb 3 2013, 04:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She hasn't really thought too much about her own feelings in regards to romance during the war, though. For example, when saved by Naruto in 559, she thinks about how she'd vowed to protect Naruto, but ended up being saved by him - reflecting on herself more than anything else. She's shown concern for Naruto throughout the war, yes, but she hasn't spent her time mooning over him or pining for anything. She's kept her mind on the same task everyone else in the war has: keeping Naruto safe. She just has some more personal motivation added that makes that task even more important to her.

As for her involvement in the Pein battle, she was being rash, but given that her actions led to progress in the battle, I let her slide (not to mention we've seen Sakura do something similar when running towars a kyuubied-Naruto, so...). Besides, choosing to do something suicidal like that does not denote immaturity. Her recent "speech" to Naruto demonstrates a level of maturity that's refreshing - and it isn't exactly "new" given the trend her character development has followed.


559 was okay. It makes sense that she'd be upset over Naruto saving her again and I really felt for her then. The closest thing that I can think of of "pining" was when she promised she'd hold his hand and walk with him (I interpreted that as her saying she'd be with him. I really hope I'm wrong 'cause it's not exactly awesome for her character to think over something like that in a war) and also when she commented on his "big, manly hand" with Neji dead in front of her. facepalm.png I just think it's a little immature for her to worry so excessively about Naruto when Guy and Kakashi were in so much worse shape in 613(?).

I have never hated on Hinata for what she did in the Pain arc, battle-wise. She was emotional and impulsive, she could've thought of something else. But again she wasn't thinking (being too impulsive does imply immaturity btw) so I get it. I just wish she did more than what she actually did. Sakura's not spared for this either, but the difference is she was running up to a friend. She had not idea he would turn against her. Hinata was against an enemy and knew of the risks. That's why it's not entirely ridiculous to be more critical of Hinata, though being critical of both should be done also. Her speech was awesome, I was cheering for her all the way. wink.gif

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:24 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Feb 3 2013, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
559 was okay. It makes sense that she'd be upset over Naruto saving her again and I really felt for her then. The closest thing that I can think of of "pining" was when she promised she'd hold his hand and walk with him (I interpreted that as her saying she'd be with him. I really hope I'm wrong 'cause it's not exactly awesome for her character to think over something like that in a war) and also when she commented on his "big, manly hand" with Neji dead in front of her. facepalm.png I just think it's a little immature for her to worry so excessively about Naruto when Guy and Kakashi were in so much worse shape in 613(?).


I saw her "hold your hand and walk with you" more as her way of saying "I'll be on equal footing with you and work with you in the end", rather than admiring him from behind. Mentioning hi "big, manly hand" was followed by her saying it made her feel safe - it was a momentary thought, not something she decided to pause the war and ponder on. The next chapter, she's off and fighting like everyone else. As for worrying "excessively" about Naruto: the point of the war is to keep him safe, and it's been established that she loves him. Her worry isn't too bizarre or unwarranted, even with Gai and Kakashi in worse shape.

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I have never hated on Hinata for what she did in the Pain arc, battle-wise. She was emotional and impulsive, she could've thought of something else. But again she wasn't thinking (being too impulsive does imply immaturity btw) so I get it. I just wish she did more than what she actually did. Sakura's not spared for this either, but the difference is she was running up to a friend. She had not idea he would turn against her. Hinata was against an enemy and knew of the risks. That's why it's not entirely ridiculous to be more critical of Hinata, though being critical of both should be done also. Her speech was awesome, I was cheering for her all the way. wink.gif

(being too impulsive on one occasion implies an overwhelming emotional state, not general immaturity. that aside, she clearly thought about it before jumping in; it wasn't an "oh naruto's in trouble so i must risk my life! *jumps in*" decision. it was a "naruto's in trouble, and he doesn't look like he's getting out of it any time soon... *pause, deliberation that spans a few panels* i'm going to risk my life and help him as much as i can." decision.)

I disagree about Sakura's situation being different - she had no idea what Naruto would do to her, and she didn't take the time to think about it. Yamato yelled at her to not run towards Naruto, but she did anyways because she was overwhelmed with emotion at seeing him like that. Naruto being her friend had no bearing on whether or not she took the danger into account when she did that. Hinata was against an enemy she knew she couldn't defeat, and knew the risks; she chose to act anyways because she'd actually weighed the risks, and in her mind they were worth stepping in to try and defend Naruto. I'd be critical of both, but also forgiving considering the motivation for each. I'd just be more forgiving towards Hinata because I think what she did had some nobility to it *shrug*

Edited by Nightlights, 03 February 2013 - 08:30 AM.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:18 AM

QUOTE (Nightlights @ Feb 3 2013, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(being too impulsive on one occasion implies an overwhelming emotional state, not general immaturity. that aside, she clearly thought about it before jumping in; it wasn't an "oh naruto's in trouble so i must risk my life! *jumps in*" decision. it was a "naruto's in trouble, and he doesn't look like he's getting out of it any time soon... *pause, deliberation that spans a few panels* i'm going to risk my life and help him as much as i can." decision.
I disagree about Sakura's situation being different - she had no idea what Naruto would do to her, and she didn't take the time to think about it. Yamato yelled at her to not run towards Naruto, but she did anyways because she was overwhelmed with emotion at seeing him like that. Naruto being her friend had no bearing on whether or not she took the danger into account when she did that. Hinata was against an enemy she knew she couldn't defeat, and knew the risks; she chose to act anyways because she'd actually weighed the risks, and in her mind they were worth stepping in to try and defend Naruto. I'd be critical of both, but also forgiving considering the motivation for each. I'd just be more forgiving towards Hinata because I think what she did had some nobility to it *shrug*

The nobility of hinatas action was naruto going 9 tails, GJ.

Sakura during naruto went kyuubi thought that if she ran over to him he would maybe realize who she was and go normal again, that was a plan that had a possibility to work.

Hinata jumped down to naruto fully knowing that she had no chance and that she would die by doing it.

So before we say we should be more forgivin towards hinata, we should first take a look at the outcome of both situations:
- hinata almost dies, naruto goes 9 tails, brings danger to all villagers.
- sakura gets hurt

So i show more forgiveness Towards option 2.

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