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Posted 13 March 2015 - 03:39 AM

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Just like luckychi said, it's kishi.
Kishi strength is on his art and his emotional scene.
Kubo strength is on his character and cool factor.

While I see both of them have a weakness on plot, but I think kubo rarely drop his plot point while kishi on the other hand drop plot point on a fly and don't forget his retcon.

Kishi big if not true weakness is his character, be it creation, characterization, or development.
Kubo weakness is repetitive formula.

That's nothing wrong with popularity because that is shonen jump.
And while naruto is popular, it will never get recognition as top 10 manga.
Because people recognize how kitten naruto is.

Just my opinion.

Popularity equals changes is not good if not handled well, mainly the story itself. It only say, "I didn't plan it." To me, it's a drop it material. I feel that what you said is right, but his buildup needs work. Like let's see, he wants to do that Obito's scene, right? Well, it could work if:

1) Not a villain that caused the war and been bad for over 10 years.
2) More understanding to his emotion with others.
3) Understanding his tragedy that is convincing
4) Finding redeeming qualities

So, basically, if Madara was to die at a random spite, he can pull off 687 like nothing because that's what Kishi wants.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 03:45 AM

@ns4life
What obito scene?

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 03:45 AM

@ns4life
What obito scene?

When he dies.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 03:48 AM

He talked nothing but popularity. This is so pathetic. We should start making people popular in other series. Maybe just maybe, Ace will come back to us. Let us keep pushing him. While we're at it, if there's one for I don't know My Hero Academy, let's make that douchebag popular so we can say screw the protagonist to become a real hero. Yeah, let's do that. Let's keep doing that.

People may not like him but I'm going to quote Kentucky coach John Calipari.... 

"Doing what's right isn't always popular and what's popular isn't always right." 


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Posted 13 March 2015 - 03:50 AM

When he dies.

You mean the coolest guy ever?
Well, he stick to his word in the end :zaru: unlike naruto. :zaru:

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 03:52 AM

You mean the coolest guy ever?
Well, he stick to his word in the end :zaru: unlike naruto. :zaru:

Lol. My point is that if he wants to do his emotional scene, the lead to it needs work. Because it's like he relies on that moment rather than the buildup. So basically, you can have a guy who has no business at all, then once he dies, he will have dramatic moment.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 03:58 AM

Lol. My point is that if he wants to do his emotional scene, the lead to it needs work. Because it's like he relies on that moment rather than the buildup. So basically, you can have a guy who has no business at all, then once he dies, he will have dramatic moment.

Oh, I get it.
Well that's the only good thing he has, drawing emotional scene.
That's why many people called kishi a bad writer.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 03:59 AM

Oh, I get it.
Well that's the only good thing he has, drawing emotional scene.
That's why many people called kishi a bad writer.

Pretty much.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 04:06 AM

Kishi gives good names to bad writers, that's how bad he is.

Edited by AHK, 13 March 2015 - 04:16 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 05:23 AM

 

If you recall back to when I posted that summary of The Last: Naruto the Movie, you saw that it was translated by a person on tumblr named Utapurinsesu. After reading through the summary, I created a tumblr account so I could get in touch with this person and ask him some questions that we all had. Well, we stayed in contact all this time, and we've been talking about a bunch of things. One of the more interesting ones is a almost (he has 10 minutes left to summarize that he will do at another time) complete summary of the interview Kishimoto did with Kobayashi (here is a link to the interview). While I'm sure you read a few bits about this from other sources (this is the same interview that said Neji died to make NaruHina happen, and that Kishimoto originally wanted to have Naruto and Sasuke holding hands instead of losing their arms), Utapurinsesu went into a lot more detail, and revealed some interesting facts. I thought it was pretty cool, so I figured I'll post what he said for you to see. Just so you know, I'm posting exactly what he wrote from our conversations, so if some things don't make sense, ask me for any context. Alright, here's the full summary:


8.18 – 8:43 about Kagebunshin

Ki “Kagebunshin…” Ko “I actually wanted to ask you about that afterwards” Ki “Oh sorry” [laughs] Ko ”But I’ll ask now. We get the impression that you kinda dug your own grave with that one” [drawing Naruto with so many bunshin from the start] Ki “Yeah I think so” Ko “Because you went and did right from chapter 1” Ki “Yeah…” Ko “So you had to balance his power from the start” Ki “That’s right. He [Naruto] quickly got stronger, didn’t he. When he improved, his number of bunshin increased too. I just thought ‘Ive really done it now!’”


Ok, so now from the actual Q&A session, I’ll just summarize what was said because its far too long… Here is the first half and I’ll do the second half another time.

Q1: ”I’ve always wondered where you began to come up with the concept of ‘Naruto’ as a story and thought that that’s what yoou’d write about.”

A: Apparently he started out wanting to write a story about an old guy who owns a ramen shop and a young boy comes by, or something uninteresting like that. Other things also got mixed in with that like a story which was supposed to be really spectacular and it was about straightening up their lives and other emotive plots… He showed that to his publishers but they told him the story is way too far from what they want, and Kobayashi agrees that it doesn’t have any elements befitting a weekly Shounen Jump series. He started to research other shounen series (especially Akira Toriyama, who he was a big fan of). In the end the name ‘Naruto’ came from this failed story attempt, as well as the obvious influences that made it into the actual series. Then he made a story not about ninjas but about youkai (demons), where the main character was a fox who shape-shifted into a human. This story changed again so he made the fox demon into a human and redrew the whole thing, and submitted that version

He wanted to do something different to other artists who had written about ninjas, so made Naruto blond, more like a foreigner than a ninja. He also decided to make ninjas more about ‘helping/ protecting’ rather than ‘dying’ and also less about ‘staying hidden’. After trying this out, he was then asked by kids ‘Is that really a ninja?’ and he thought ‘Uh oh. I’ve gone off on a tangent again!’ But he decided he wanted to stick with it anyway and his publishers also said its fine only being this far off the mark [about what a ninja is].

Q2: “Do you remember how you came about the catchphrase ‘dattebayo’?”

[This answer was kinda hard for me to understand coz the logic in his answer kinda jumps around a bit. This is what I THINK he meant] A: He decided to make a catchphrase that sounded silly that an old person etc would come out with. He also thought something that sounded like a speech impediment would be good, so decided to go with ‘dattebayo’”.

Q3: “Did you have to think hard about [the setting/ creation of] naruto’s classmates?”

A: Kishimoto didn’t actually originally intend for that kind of setting. Originally he intended to focus on various missions that Naruto went on, meeting 4-man cells from other villages. The teachers of the 4-man cell would be Kakashis rival. But after discussing this with his editor, he was told there wouldn’t be time for such a slow-paced development, so he needed to come bring all these characters and villages out at once. You’re going to make a tournament. Kishimoto said he can’t do it and if he did it’d kill him [not literally], but he was told to do it even if it kills him. That is how the Chuunin exams arc came about. That was what he was forced to do. But even now he wish he could do his original idea about focusing on missions.

So he found it really difficult coming up with so many new characters and their designs in one go with no material to go on. So he asked for some designs from his editor to help, who saw a really weird looking keychain (?) and made drawings based on that, and that’s where Gai and Lee’s etc designs came from.

Kobayashi says that listening to what he said earlier about Kakashi’s rival, it sounds like he was originally planning for team Gai to be from another village when introducing them here [since they weren’t introduced with the other rookies/ teachers]. Kishimoto says that was originally the case, but they decided it was better for Kakashi to have a rival from inside the village so they went with this instead and introduced Team Gai as being from Konoha.

Kishimoto also says that the series picked up popularity thanks to the tournament aspect to find out who’d win, and even Kishimoto himself started to enjoy writing this part. But his editorial team told him to introduce a villain called Orochimaru in there that would stop the tournament from being finished instead. Kishimoto was disappointed since he was really getting into it, and had already put out the idea that he wanted Shikamaru to win. But before being told to put in the plot development of the tournament being destroyed, Kishimoto does admit that he was worrying about how to write Shikamaru’s fights for the rest of the tournament and make him the winner, since Shikamaru has an IQ of 200 and he [Kishimoto] doesn’t have a very high one, so he didn’t know how to pull it off.

Q4: “Why did you decide to introduce a strong enemy like Zabuza right at the beginning of the series?”

A: Kishimoto says that he wanted to do this right off the bat to show off Kakashi’s strength as an example of what an experienced ninja can do in the Narutoverse. This would set some cornerstones down in the manga straight away and make it easier for the audience to put things into perspective. Kobayashi points out that there were many things introduced in this arc that played huge roles right until the end of the series (kekkei genkai, sharingan etc), but Kishimoto just said he was ‘bluffing’ with these things in the beginning [nb: in other words he just made them up without any thought on how to use them in the future]. At the time he was just making these things up for the excitement and suspense, but didn’t pick up on what to do with some of these threads long-term until later. Basically he was making it up as he went. Even with Sasuke’s backstory, at the time of the Wave Arc, all that had been thought out was that Sasuke had an elder brother who had done something bad, and that was it. Kishimoto admits the planning was very hazy at this point. However, at the point where Itachi is actually introduced, Kishimoto had decided to secretly make him a good guy, but the reason he did something bad was because of circumstances. Kishimoto also says that although he introduced the Sharingan as being able to copy moves, the premise on what the Sharingan could do changed drastically over the course of the storyline.

Kobayashi comments that the concept of focusing on eyeballs in a Shounen manga is unique, and Kishimoto laughs and agrees. Kishimoto explains that theres a really old story called ‘Take of the Gallant Jiraiya’ that often comes up in Kabuki and the like, where the main character Jiraiya actually has the Sharingan. Kishimoto decided to take the concept of the Sharingan from this story and create the Uchiha clan to give the Sharingan to. And because Kakashi also has a Sharingan despite not being an Uchiha, he wanted this to be a mystery that kept readers interested as to how he got it.

Kobayashi comments that this mystery isn’t explained until Kakashi Gaiden much, much further down the line, but even so, you can see the group picture of Kakashi, Obito, Rin and Minato early on in the series [Kobayashi is showing a page from chapter 16]. Kishimoto says that may be so, but even by chapter 16 he had already decided this storyline, about Obito being an Uchiha, and that Minato was Naruto’s dad (but doesn’t confirm if he’d decided Minato’s name by then). Speaking of Minato, even though his identity was confirmed by this point, to begin with Kishimoto hadn’t thought of creating a fourth Hokage or him being Naruto’s dad. Kishimoto knew that he would have to introduce what had happened to his dad somewhere in the story, but didn’t know how to do it. Before coming up with Minato as the 4th Hokage, Minato’s spot on the Hokage Monument was actually taken by a dog [nb: you read that right, a dog]. He explains that at the time he actually wanted to try out that a ‘ninken’ (ninja dog) like those owned by the Inuzuka had been the Hokage at one point. But his editor told him he was thinking off on a tangent again, so instead of that just make him the main character’s dad instead.

[until 21.35]

On the popularity of characters - Kobayashi asks if Kishimoto had any idea how popular he thought Kakashi would be, as he became the most popular character, to which Kishimoto replies that he had no idea how he became so popular. Kobayashi says he’s missing the point and they both laugh, and suggests that maybe the reason is because Kakashi is cool.

Kobayashi then says that Jiraiya was also popular, to which Kishimoto agrees. Kobayashi suggests that it’s because he’s always acting pervy and has Icha Icha etc. Kishimoto goes on to say that the characters he actually having the intention to become popular actually flopped. This is the case of Sai, who wasn’t well received at all. Kimimaro was also the same. Kimimaro was actually popular at first, but as soon as he was shown to pull out his spinal cord his popularity disappeared. Kobayashi suggests that maybe it’s because it grossed the fans out, especially female fans.

On Sakura’s popularity & character - Kobayashi then asks about Sakura. Kishimoto says he tried to write her more realistically [than other characters], and tried to show a girl’s ‘real’ self/ feelings [through inner Sakura]. He thought she would appeal to female fans, but was surprised when she actually became hated. Kobayashi asks if there was a lot of Sakura hate, and Kishimoto says there was, and even young girls told him they hate her. Kishimoto said that he continued on regretting Sakura’s character. Kobayashi apologizes for bringing up the painful memories as Kishimoto apologizes for tailing off (lol).

Kobayashi said that his team were discussing in a meeting why Sakura’s family was never written. He says that they eventually appeared in a movie, but not in the manga. Even when all the parents are shown along with their children during the war, and even random relatives are shown, Sakura’s parents aren’t seen. He says that they came across like a civilian family and kind of made Sakura seem on the side-lines. He asks Kishimoto why this is, and Kishimoto replies that, honestly speaking, Sakura was that unpopular that even if he expanded on her… (nb. He tails off in what he’s saying). Kobayashi reiterates Kishimoto’s statement, and Kishimoto tells him that’s right, to which Kobayashi laughs.

Kobayashi asks if it was too late to drop her, and Kishimoto says that he just had to persevere with her, and thought about how to raise her popularity. In the 4th volume, a cover page shows her with Katsuyu, so this was the direction he tried to work in. In later volumes, he tries to draw her more beautifully. On the cover page of Vol 66, he drew Sasuke and Naruto quickly, but with Sakura he took a long time to draw her beautifully and was using source materials as guides. But he says that in the end no one really took notice (it had no effect), and Hinata’s popularity just kept going up on its own.

Kishimoto explains that Hinata, like Sakura, never really did anything but her popularity just kept going up and up, so part way through the story he started to wonder whether he should make her the main heroine instead, or at least gradually write her into the direction of the heroine.

They then go on to talking about Part II/ Shippuden.

On Shippuden’s/ Part II’s plot - Kobayashi starts off asking about whether there was framework put in place for the direction of Shippuden’s story. Kishimoto replies that because Naruto and his group were so weak as genin in the first part, so he wanted to make them stronger in the second part. This is especially because he introduced the Akatsiki, who are all Jonin level, so he had to make the main cast stronger too. He also used the timeskip as a chance to change their clothes, since he didn’t like the swirl on the arm of Naruto’s jacket, and also his thick collar in Part 1 got in the way of his face in action scenes. So he drew a small collar and dropped the swirl. He also added the headband with the long tails at the back so they would stand out and flutter during action scenes.

On Akatsuki - Kobayashi then goes on to say that when the Akatsuki were first introduced [when they were as shadows during their meetings] it was really exciting. Kobayashi says his favorite pair were Hidan and Kakuzu, to which Kishimoto agrees, saying Hidan was his favorite overall. Kobayashi says that they gave off a real sense of danger and malice. He also says that the concept of them both being immortal, albeit for different reasons, was really interesting. Kishimoto said he was worried at first about how he was depicting Hidan, who stabbed himself then said it felt good. Kobayashi says that it’s also the case of the damage he inflicted on Asuma.

On censorship scenes - Kobayashi then brings up the scene where Shikamaru is smoking Asuma’s cigarette, saying that it gave off the feeling of a boy becoming an adult. Kishimoto said he didn’t think they’d be able to show this in the anime. Kobayashi admits he was worried when this first came out. Kishimoto said that he thought he’d be told he can’t show a minor smoking [in the manga], since manga regulations are very strict. He had a meeting with his editor about whether he should change it or not, and in the end his editor told him to not worry about it and just try and go through with it anyway. If the people above wanted to edit it they would. Kobayashi brings up a scene where Hidan’s head is lopped off, and Kishimoto comments that the editing department told him to add black bars at the side for censoring. Kobayashi asks if Hidan is still buried underground, and Kishimoto says he is. Kishimoto wondered whether to put him in the war, but in the end he didn’t want to have even more characters to draw, so he didn’t.

Kobayashi then brings up the scene where Shikamaru is smoking again and he starts crying and flicks the cigarette away, Kobayashi comments that for a shounen series this was an incredibly serious scene. Kobayashi asks if he likes this kind of stuff, and Kishimoto says that surprisingly he does like these kinds of movies etc. He can’t out too much of this kind of thing into a shounen series, but he put in a little bit of something he finds interesting.

Kobayashi then asks about Akatsuki, saying they’re not just a normal organization, and they don’t really know much about each other. (nb: this next line I’m not sure about) Kishimoto says that in real life there are such professional organizations where a group of individuals come together, so he wanted to draw a parallel to that. And he drew Pain to be the leader bringing together these individuals.

On camera & layout techniques in the manga - Kobayashi asks if the scene where Pain first appears looking down on the world was difficult, because the background was very complex. Kishimoto says it was very difficult, and at first he had to carefully pencil everything out. Kishimoto says that he also drew the detailed background in the scene where Naruto is looking down over Konoha when he first comes back. Kishimoto said he had to draw it to make the whole image come together properly. Kobayashi notices a sign in Pain’s scene that reads ‘hankerchief’ and asks about it, and Kishimoto says it’s a homage to [another series called] Bobobo-Bobobobo. Kobayashi comments that it’s amazing considering he only had one week to do this for the deadline. Kishimoto says that image took him 3 days to do.

Kobayashi then brings up about other unique shots, like the shot of Deidara sitting on Gaara’s body (which has a fish-eye lens effect). Kishimoto says he loves that kind of shot and was inspired by the work ‘Akira’. He says he like how it adds depth to the world using that lens method. Kobayashi shows the cover page of chapter 106 commenting that it looks like the kind of shot found in pervy AV [Adult Video= softporn] films. Kishimoto states that he’s never researched that kind of thing.

Kobayashi then shows the scene where Naruto punches Haku, which is showing the same punch but at three different angle. Kishimoto comments that this is a technique often used in films known as ‘double action’. He says that in Jackie Chan’s movies for example, it is used to emphasis the strength of the punch. Kishimoto says he wanted to use that effect in his manga. Kobayashi says he has a question about why the faces aren’t shown when Naruto hits someone, and if that was intentional. Kishimoto replies that it is cooler that way, because rather than the focus being on the face, the focus of attention is on the body’s [recoil] and it’s more expressive that way. He says that in important scenes he plans it so to not draw they’re faces.

Kobayashi then asks about another layout technique he uses, where in Naruto/ Sasuke fights the Naruto and Sasuke panels are connected on the left and right page, and the development of action progresses from the top of the page to the bottom. Kishimoto says that this is a manga technique that he thought to use that is easy to follow, as both are connected it doesn’t matter where you are looking you can easily follow what both sides are doing at the same time. He says that he designed it to be quick and simple to skim over and not to emphasis looking at the details, since you’re reading both pages at the same time.

Kobayashi shows an example of a complicated double-page layout. Kishomoto says that the panels are messed up and random to express the confusion of the fight, and the reader also doesn’t know where to look. Also, because it makes you look around the page quickly, it adds a sense of speed to the battle as well. Kobayashi understands that this was a deliberate technique, because at the time he wondered if it was OK for Kishimoto to have submitted this for publication.

On the War arc Moving on, Kobayashi comments that the war arc must have been very difficult. Kishimoto says it was, and that in the Pain fight, Pain comments about Naruto not having experienced war. This part set the story towards the war arc, so Naruto could come up with his final answer after having experienced war for himself. Kishimoto explains that this conversation in the Pain arc meant that he couldn’t back down from steering the story towards a war arc. Kobayashi says that everyone popped up during the war arc, and Kishimoto said that he wanted to use that as a way to wrap things up from the entire series so far.

He says he did an unimportant old man fight between Mifune and Hanzo, which was unusual for a shounen manga. He said he was told off [by his editor?] and told to drop the old man fight already. Kobayashi says that actually, that fight was his [Kobayashi’s show’s] directors favorite fight. Kishimoto thanks him. Kobyashi shows one part of that fight scene and comments how they are thinking back in the past as they are fighting. Kishimoto said he originally wanted to do a seppuku (ritual suicide) scene, but then he started to think it’d be a bit harsh to do that considering he’s an old man, so he started to go off the idea. Kobayashi asks about Mifune’s popularity with a shounen audience and Kishimoto replies that he wasn’t popular one bit. Kobayashi laughs and says that he thinks Mifune is cool, and that it’s interesting that samurai have developed to be on par with ninjas in a ninja world. Kishimoto says that if they didn’t develop, then… Kobayashi comments that they wouldn’t be samurai if they didn’t persist, and Kishimoto agrees. Kobayashi says that it’s a cool scene, but asks how it went down with a shounen audience. Kishimoto says that the opinion was ‘will this old man fight finish soon? The main characters not even in it’.

Kobayashi says he likes the war arc, and that he liked the 2nd Mizukage, who tells everyone his own weaknesses. Kishimoto says that even though he’s an old man as well, he was actually fairly popular. Kishimoto said he thought it’d be interesting to have that character actually give away how to defeat himself and to demend it be done quickly. Kobayashi asks whether doing the Edo Tensei was difficult, and Kishimoto says yes. He says that from the Pain arc onwards, Naruto just defeats the enemy without intent to kill and settles things verbally. Doing it this way is more shounen-like so he felt he had to go down this direction. But he felt this kind of killed the mood, so from there he introduced the zetsu clones (and Edo Tensei) to have someone to beat. Kobayashi asks about the characters that didn’t come back as Edo Tensei, like Jiraiya, Konan and Hidan. Kishimoto said he didn’t want Jiraiya to come back, because he couldn’t possibly write it in a good way. Jiraiya’s death was a big part of Naruto’s development and brought him closer to understanding Sasuke’s feelings, so bringing Jiraiya back would undo that. The Edo Tensei was mostly a way to draw Madara out into the story.

They go on to talk about Madara’s appearance, and that it’s the real him rather than just the Rinne Tensei. Kishimoto says it kind of ended up complicated about reviving him with Rinne Tensei or with Edo Tensei and the difference between the two.

On Sakura’s Love Letter scene - Kobayashi laughingly brings up the unusual scene where Sakura gets a love letter [during the war]. Kishimoto explains that the reason for that was to give the anime team a lead for a [filler] story, because if they just kept doing the war arc at the pace they were going at then they would catch up with the manga. Kobayashi says this ‘Love letter incident’ is an unbelievable occurrence, and Kishimoto admits that he didn’t know what to write, he just had to put something. Kobayashi finds this hilarious and asks ‘so your answer was a love letter, then?’

On Neji’s death - Kobayashi comments that there were many casualties during the war, but he was surprised about Neji, and asks Kishimoto why he was chosen. Kishimoto explains that because he decided to make Hinata into the lead heroine a while back, he used Neji’s death as a way to bring her and Naruto together. He goes on to explain that although there is the scene where she stands up to Pain, he wanted to create an opening for Naruto to consciously realize that she is by his side and thank her for that, so he used Neji’s death to do this. Kishimoto says that in this way Neji sort of took on the role of cupid for the two of them. He then explains that it was at this time when Kishimoto came up with the name of ‘Bolt’ for their son, which has a similar meaning to ‘Neji’ (screw), as a homage to the late uncle who brought his parents together. Kishimoto says that ‘if’ there is a manga about Bolt (nb: it wasn’t confirmed by this point), he wants to include scenes focusing on Neji. Kobayashi asks if it’s ok to mention something like this [project], and Kishimoto says that this is only hypothetical.

On the final battle between Naruto & Sasuke - Kobayashi says the war arc was great, and then goes on to asking about the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke. Kishimoto said that because Sasuke was introduced as a rival character in the beginning, he also wanted the manga to end with Sasuke and Naruto fighting as rivals. Kobayashi comments that this conclusive battle has been a long time coming, and that it has been a long time since Sasuke first left the village. Kishimoto agrees and says that after writing his leaving arc, he was a bit frustrated because he didn’t know what to do with him anymore. But he said he could also understand Sasuke’s actions after leaving the village in some ways, and Kobayashi agrees. Kishimoto said he wanted the audience to understand Sasuke’s point of view, and wrote the story so he could push this idea. Kishimoto also explains that there were times when his editor told him he hasn’t properly captured Sasuke’s facial expression to show his character, and sometimes had to redraw him many times. He said that both he and Sakura were always a pain to draw. Kakashi was also difficult to draw facial expressions for since his face is covered. Kobayashi comments that designing these characters this way is Kishimoto’s form of self-hatred, and they laugh.

About the final battle, Kishimoto says he didn’t want them to use ninjutsu. He said he wanted it to end in a boys’ fist fight, despite it not being in the usual spirit of Jump (and they bothered him about it). He then goes on to talk about when they both lose their arms (which is their dominant arm), relates back to a flashback in the beginning of the manga where they cross each other’s fingers, but now they can’t do that. So he used the Madara and Hashirama statues, who represented Indra and Asura, to hold hands instead, with Naruto and Sasuke on top. Kishimoto said he’s always wanted to draw this scene, even since Part I.

On ending the manga - Kobayashi flicks through that chapter and comments that one of the daimyo looks like himself. Also in another panel there is a picture of one of Kishimoto’s cats in the background. Kobayashi then asks about the Jolly Roger mark on the Hokage Monument in chapter 700. Kishimoto says that it is a tribute to his fellow-managaka, Eiichiro Oda, who wrote One Piece. In the back of the Jump volume, there are some messages from his fellow managakas, and Oda’s says that they are rivals. Kishimoto says he feels the same way. He also says he was surprised, because he never heard they’d do that [publishing messages from all the authors to him], and it’s the first time something like that has been done. Kobayashi says that it’s a sign that he is a great mangaka who has created an amazing piece of work, and Kishimoto thanks him.

[Until 49.20]

This video interview was translated so if anyone interested. This entire interview speaks volume of kishi's writing skills/planning. To make it worse in terms of pairings he never intended for anyone to end up together he originality wanted the audience to feel sympathetic for the unrequited love and thats it. He really screwed up.  :ermm:  

 

 

 

I pretty much stopped reading the interview after Sakura's part....is this guy serious? Ofcourse Sakura was going to be hated at the beginning, one of the first thing she does is push Naruto out of the way, and then tell Sasuke she hates Naruto and was the poster child of a bad vain female charactor....mix than in with the other side of how Naruto was hated by the village for what he contained, allot of the people reading added 2+2 and got 1500, they all pretty much assumed Sakura was part of the problem, those who hated him for what he was, when in reality the fact was Sakura's dislike for Naruto stemmed from him being too loud and disrupting class, and not understanding why he kept trying to get her attention...Kishi failed to show her strong side.

 

Then until the Chunnin exams started we saw her not paying attention to her training and caring more for her diet and Sasuke than her career, and all she'd done was stand in front of the Bridge builder in the previous arc. Kishi had set the hate in cement by then, he did everything possible to give her the worst introduction, it took those who actually looked beyond the first introductions and try to understand her charactor to see the potential..

 

Then he introduced Hinata at the same point Sakura's actions start to change, and where Sakura is starting to act like a Ninja, we had Hinata to actually liked the MC, looked upto him, and tried hard to not look bad infront of him.....so Sakura's turning point is overshadowed by a charactor we'd hardly ever see and she's shown in a good light, so the fans made their own version of their princess, and then SP ran with it and made her into a princess in their fillers.

 

Even in part two, when Sakura's popularity was on the up he went and had her disappear for a while and then only to reappear with the fake confession. again straight after Hinata's confession, making Sakura look allot worst and give those a reason to hate her, in the war, he had her unlock her abilities, and then need saving right after, have her save Naruto's life and then become a timid frightened girl when Sasuke is around.

 

Then add all to that the way SP worked overtime to make Sakura look weak and Hinata look great in the anime, it's a surprise Sakura was popular at all.

 

Hinata's popularity just kept going up on it's own? He obviously never watched the anime then, you just have to watch the Pain arc and see how so much production time was spent on Hinata's chapter (with 90% filler) that when Naruto went 8 tails, they had the worst animation the anime had ever seen....Hinata had hell of allot of focus in the anime and Kishi is a fool to think otherwise.


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Posted 13 March 2015 - 06:09 AM

 

I pretty much stopped reading the interview after Sakura's part....is this guy serious? Ofcourse Sakura was going to be hated at the beginning, one of the first thing she does is push Naruto out of the way, and then tell Sasuke she hates Naruto and was the poster child of a bad vain female charactor....mix than in with the other side of how Naruto was hated by the village for what he contained, allot of the people reading added 2+2 and got 1500, they all pretty much assumed Sakura was part of the problem, those who hated him for what he was, when in reality the fact was Sakura's dislike for Naruto stemmed from him being too loud and disrupting class, and not understanding why he kept trying to get her attention...Kishi failed to show her strong side.

 

Then until the Chunnin exams started we saw her not paying attention to her training and caring more for her diet and Sasuke than her career, and all she'd done was stand in front of the Bridge builder in the previous arc. Kishi had set the hate in cement by then, he did everything possible to give her the worst introduction, it took those who actually looked beyond the first introductions and try to understand her charactor to see the potential..

 

Then he introduced Hinata at the same point Sakura's actions start to change, and where Sakura is starting to act like a Ninja, we had Hinata to actually liked the MC, looked upto him, and tried hard to not look bad infront of him.....so Sakura's turning point is overshadowed by a charactor we'd hardly ever see and she's shown in a good light, so the fans made their own version of their princess, and then SP ran with it and made her into a princess in their fillers.

 

Even in part two, when Sakura's popularity was on the up he went and had her disappear for a while and then only to reappear with the fake confession. again straight after Hinata's confession, making Sakura look allot worst and give those a reason to hate her, in the war, he had her unlock her abilities, and then need saving right after, have her save Naruto's life and then become a timid frightened girl when Sasuke is around.

 

Then add all to that the way SP worked overtime to make Sakura look weak and Hinata look great in the anime, it's a surprise Sakura was popular at all.

 

Hinata's popularity just kept going up on it's own? He obviously never watched the anime then, you just have to watch the Pain arc and see how so much production time was spent on Hinata's chapter (with 90% filler) that when Naruto went 8 tails, they had the worst animation the anime had ever seen....Hinata had hell of allot of focus in the anime and Kishi is a fool to think otherwise.

 

You took the words right out of my mouth!  :thumb:

 

May i also add this as a problem to what you said.

 

When kishi was asked in a interview about the romance in naruto before hinatas confession. KIshi mentioned how nh/ss and ns were just there for the sake to feel sympathetic for the characters for there unrequited love. Most importantly he mentioned something about how he never planned about any of the pairs to happen at first. Until the interviewer asked wither if one of them are going to get required kishi said yes. While the interviewer hoped hinata gets the chance to confess and kishi agreed that she gets her chance to confess to. After the confession happened, nothing came after wards hinatas love was still one sided  and naruto still sees hinata as nohing more than just a friend even after the "suicide confession" she made. Heck the first person naruto talks to is sakura and about tsunades well being. This to me is a strong strong proof that nh was never planned from the beginning or 8 years ago. 

 

I forgot to mention this is one of another proof that kishi never planned anything about his story.



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Posted 13 March 2015 - 06:49 AM

 

Right. And he didn't change from that plan. He went on like he'd always planned to, writing as if Sakura was the main girl who succeeded when Naruto needed her most and Hinata was the fawning sycophant who always fell short. 

 

He did nothing, NOTHING for NH and SS except give them an ending. That's it.

 

So Kishimoto can say the pairing changed back in 2012 or whenever, only because that's when the plan for "The Last" was hatched. But he didn't have anything to do with it other than create the last two chapters that played into The Last. Everything else remained the same.

 

Kishimoto sold out, then laughed all the way to the bank, at the fans' expense. He got his money but he knew he wasn't going to write anything to support developing a pairing. It was NS until 698, then NH/SS at 699-700. Everyone got screwed. The only ones that got what they wanted were Hinata and Kishimoto's wallet.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 07:19 AM

Finally some new information regarding the box office has appeared. It appears like TL has managed to garner $179,370 on its opening night in the US. Australia earned $134,543, $29,030 in New Zealand, and $329,622 in South Korea during their respective openings. Altogether, "The Last" has managed to earn $672,565 in the initial week. This is not including Indonesia, The Philippines, Malaysia, or Mexico. 

 

(http://www.boxoffice...=lastnaruto.htm)
 
 



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Posted 13 March 2015 - 07:35 AM

Kishi is a fool to think otherwise.

 

Well said with everything, and indeed he is a fool.

 

I wrote years ago (2009 if I had to guess) about what I thought Kishimoto was doing with Sakura. Basically my point was that she started as a selfish, self centered little girl who loved a horrible person for their outside beauty. Which isn't difficult to understand, I mean she is a twelve year old at first so her being shallow then wouldn't be a complete negative. People that age are often concerned with foolish things.

 

At the time I thought this story would be about basically children accepting the realities of adulthood. For Sakura that meant giving up on her child like feelings towards people, and growing into a woman in her own right. Radical idea right? I thought we'd see her grow, learn some self respect, reflect on how her life has turned out the way it has, and eventually when it came to romance to learn the importance of true loves bonds with the person who would go from being her best friend to her lover, namely Naruto.

 

Hinata on the other hand, if she had to exist (remember I've never liked her character because I've seen her as always being the worst type of character the "purely innocent and rich fan girl who selfishly will get whatever she wants because it is her destiny"), she should have become a character who also grew up. For her this would have meant her taking control of her clan, breaking them from the evil of their centuries old indoctrinations, and freeing them up for the culture that has them ENSLAVE half of their fellow family. I assumed that she would become head of her clan, and eventually would learn how to create her families special eye powers, without it relying on centuries of continued inbreeding. On the way she would surrender her obsession with Naruto (who she loved only as a symbol of the free will she longed to had) and instead would take up her rightful role as the head of her clan, which eventually would likely have her become an actually human being instead of a stereotypical character (The shy "Princess") and therefor would actually develop a personality beyond an obsession and character history.

 

Naruto should have simply stayed as what he was. A character who continued to fight for the right of mankind to choose what they want to be, with no reverence towards the governmental structure that oppressed him and everyone else. As an orphan with the demon in his soul, he was a natural underdog, who's very character screamed at the top of his lungs that he had a RIGHT to his life and liberty. Naruto constantly chooses to try to be the best person he can be! Originally he wasn't from an "important" family, nor was he some ancient reincarnated perfect Prince who everyone loved. Naruto was a self made man, who started from the lowest of the low to rise to the highest of the high of the social hierarchy. A man who's very story should have been about how every person has a right to their life, in order to dream the dreams they want to, and to put action into reaching those goals. Which was his story until the end.

 

Finally for this point the is Sasuke. Oh precocious precious Sasuke, should have first and foremost been a warning. A warning about the very destructive nature about revenge. As the story continued his sanity, morals, and health should have continued to decline steadily as he slipped further and further into the madness of being an "avenger". A man who doesn't care about the lives of others, and instead wants to bend them to HIS will so HE can get what is right by force HIS. He was the perfect opposite of Naruto once. He was his classes "chosen one" (beloved by his elders, loved by the women around his age, and the envy of the men his age), who came from the "chosen people" (the "legendary" Uchiha) who would redeem the clan and bring it back to greatness. The very nature of being that should have corrupted him, which should have ultimately lead to the conclusion for all to see that the evil the he became wasn't his destiny... but was a choice he made because of his own selfish desires. His arc should have been a warning against vice, and how "might makes right" leads all of mankind to death and ruin, indeed it sucks the very soul of humanity out of a person, turning them into nothing more then a ravenous beast who can't see beyond their own twisted view of their moral code. As I said the entire time Sasuke should have lost everything. If not his life he should at least in the end lost his eyes, the very thing that mattered so much to him. The symbolic connection of what made him such a horrible person, his Uchiha bloodline and stupid pride. If he was destined to live in the end because of market forces, he should have been a broken man who was learning the true lesson of humbleness. His eyes gone, his standing as the "chosen one" of the village stripped form him because of his actions, and his survival happening simply because of the one bond he never lost the one he had with Naruto. He should have been forced to his knees because of the righteousness of Naruto's cause and the weakness of his own. Which of course didn't happen.

 

So what did we get?

 

We got a Sakura who regressed back to being the selfish 12 year old she was. He personality and character development up until then was stripped from her. Once again she became a crying burden placed on her team who "couldn't do anything right" unlike the men around her who had to risk their lives to protect her (of course the glaring one who didn't was Sasuke who had no problem with her dying since she was nothing more then dead weight to him). Her "great" moment and the climax of her character arc comes from her admitting that she is useless, and the she loves Sasuke because.... well she always has since a young child and she wasn't no "dime store ho" she wasn't going to change her mind now. What was she some kind of slut? A woman being able to change her mind? That's stupid talk. Women are things for the sexual glorification of the men who own them, and Sakura is Sasuke's property because she gave him her heart when she was 6. Sakura's humanity was stripped form her, and even after the "love of her life" tortures her and makes her believe that she has just been murdered by HIM PUNCHING HER THREW THE F@CKING HEART!!!! it ends with her begging him to give her the kitten, well her lip quivers and she looks at the ground. She is rewarded for her lack of humanity, and for her desire to be submissive to her superior male counterpart by having her forehead flicked.... the same way said superior male had his forehead flicked when he was standing in front of his better... his "sainted" brother. That's a good kitten Sakura, if you keep on this path Sasuke may give you that pity kitten you dream about. Don't forget to always think the worst about yourself though, and admit that you are nothing compared to him. Only threw the submission of your humanity can you have any value Sakura. Keep it up girl you'll get that kitten at least once before Sasuke abandons you again to raise your child alone well he saves a cat in a tree three nations away from his family.

 

Then there is Hinata. Hinata the beloved submissive Princess is also rewarded, for her obsession with getting the kitten at the price of any other goal. She shows the greatness of her character by continuing to show all she wants is the kitten from Naruto. Even after her baby sister is kidnapped, she is still compelled to work on her knitting skills cause hell Naruto may love her if she is good enough at making a scarf. Her family obligations aren't really her problem... but she maybe able to use them in order to get Naruto to notice her more. Wait does Naruto have another scarf? OH POOR PRINCESS HINATA!!! IT LIKELY MEANS NARUTO ISN'T A VESTAL VIRGIN ANYMORE! HE GAVE INTO HIS URGES HAD SEX WITH ANOTHER GIRL AND TOOK UP HER SCARF INSTEAD OF THE PRINCESS!! What does the Princess do now? Why sit and cry of course! She's a woman after all, if she isn't the first to have sex with Naruto then what's the point? She isn't going to accept sloppy seconds, because she doesn't actually love Naruto, just what Naruto represents. Now she will have to accept old maid status, the greatest dishonor for any woman. The Clan will soon be lead by some branch family if the state doesn't get around to saving her sister, and Hinata is to good to have sex with anyone else. She ain't no dime store ho. ........But wait! Naruto's scarf is from his Mother!!!! Oh Hinata you've allowed the fact that you weren't born with a pair of balls to make a fool of yourself again! Naruto's still a virgin, so his kitten is worthy of your greatness! Make him earn it though this time and keep up the knitting! You go girl!

 

Naruto somehow ends up worst then both Sakura and Hinata. The boy who fought for free will, and the natural rights of even the weakest members of society, ends up not only becoming the son of the 4th Hokage, but it turns out he is the child of destiny...... Not only that but he is the reincarnated Prince Valiant of this universe..... he was destined to become the person he is.... he didn't earn it... it was dictated by "fate".... all his actions before and speeches.... well they are meaningless.... even his personality as the person who will never give up and never stop caring about people is something he has simply because that's how his Prince Valiant self used to be.... that's right it's not his own life story that caused his view points! Oh no, nothing so peasant like that, no not for the child of destiny. Naruto's goodness actually comes from the fact that he is the once and future king of the world. This time though he is also going to save the soul of his ancient and everlasting brother who just happens to be Sasuke..... oh he is also really really stupid. Love? Isn't that the feeling you get from eating ramen noodles? Not stupid enough though it seems, since he used Sakura in order to one up his soul brother by trying to have sex with and defile the property Sasuke owns. Luckily said property, Sakura herself, calls him out on this, and Naruto admits that he was just playing with her emotions hoping that it would piss off her owner.

 

Then we get to precious Sasuke who got the way his is threw no fault of his own! No not precious Sasuke! OH NO! You see Sasuke is cursed twice over! First he is the reincarnation of Prince Gloomy. All his anti social tendencies and questionable moral calls, the fact that he is an outright murder and fascist terrorist.... it's all because he is destined to be a depressive selfish asshat. Second he is cursed to be a member of the Uchiha clan. What does that mean? Does it mean that he is cursed to come from a war like people who put their own desire for political power above their fellow human beings, even above their own family members? Oh no nothing of the kind! You see the Uchiha just love people to much... that's right they are trying to kill people because of love! Why did they try to take over the leaf? Why because of love! Which explains the way he treats Sakura the way he does! He beats her and tried to murder her multiple times because of love! Why does he torture her? Oh it must be love! Letting her fall to her death into a bit of lava? Love! Abandoning her after one pity kitten? Love! Which is why he also tries to become a fascist dictator, he loves the world that much that he will do for them what he knows is best. Sadly when he was trying to use his strength to force his will on others his soul brother "Prince Naruto Valiant" won't relent unless he plays nice.... and Prince Gloomy just isn't able to outright kill Prince Valiant so yeah he'll stop.... so long as Prince Valiant keeps loving Prince Gloomy..... who can spend the rest of his life wandering the world at least. His household? The woman he owns will fulfill her duty to him and follow threw with his will in his absence. It's not like she has any desires that have nothing to do with him, she knows her role and she shuts her mouth around him.

 

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 08:21 AM

 

If you recall back to when I posted that summary of The Last: Naruto the Movie, you saw that it was translated by a person on tumblr named Utapurinsesu. After reading through the summary, I created a tumblr account so I could get in touch with this person and ask him some questions that we all had. Well, we stayed in contact all this time, and we've been talking about a bunch of things. One of the more interesting ones is a almost (he has 10 minutes left to summarize that he will do at another time) complete summary of the interview Kishimoto did with Kobayashi (here is a link to the interview). While I'm sure you read a few bits about this from other sources (this is the same interview that said Neji died to make NaruHina happen, and that Kishimoto originally wanted to have Naruto and Sasuke holding hands instead of losing their arms), Utapurinsesu went into a lot more detail, and revealed some interesting facts. I thought it was pretty cool, so I figured I'll post what he said for you to see. Just so you know, I'm posting exactly what he wrote from our conversations, so if some things don't make sense, ask me for any context. Alright, here's the full summary:


8.18 – 8:43 about Kagebunshin

Ki “Kagebunshin…” Ko “I actually wanted to ask you about that afterwards” Ki “Oh sorry” [laughs] Ko ”But I’ll ask now. We get the impression that you kinda dug your own grave with that one” [drawing Naruto with so many bunshin from the start] Ki “Yeah I think so” Ko “Because you went and did right from chapter 1” Ki “Yeah…” Ko “So you had to balance his power from the start” Ki “That’s right. He [Naruto] quickly got stronger, didn’t he. When he improved, his number of bunshin increased too. I just thought ‘Ive really done it now!’”


Ok, so now from the actual Q&A session, I’ll just summarize what was said because its far too long… Here is the first half and I’ll do the second half another time.

Q1: ”I’ve always wondered where you began to come up with the concept of ‘Naruto’ as a story and thought that that’s what yoou’d write about.”

A: Apparently he started out wanting to write a story about an old guy who owns a ramen shop and a young boy comes by, or something uninteresting like that. Other things also got mixed in with that like a story which was supposed to be really spectacular and it was about straightening up their lives and other emotive plots… He showed that to his publishers but they told him the story is way too far from what they want, and Kobayashi agrees that it doesn’t have any elements befitting a weekly Shounen Jump series. He started to research other shounen series (especially Akira Toriyama, who he was a big fan of). In the end the name ‘Naruto’ came from this failed story attempt, as well as the obvious influences that made it into the actual series. Then he made a story not about ninjas but about youkai (demons), where the main character was a fox who shape-shifted into a human. This story changed again so he made the fox demon into a human and redrew the whole thing, and submitted that version

He wanted to do something different to other artists who had written about ninjas, so made Naruto blond, more like a foreigner than a ninja. He also decided to make ninjas more about ‘helping/ protecting’ rather than ‘dying’ and also less about ‘staying hidden’. After trying this out, he was then asked by kids ‘Is that really a ninja?’ and he thought ‘Uh oh. I’ve gone off on a tangent again!’ But he decided he wanted to stick with it anyway and his publishers also said its fine only being this far off the mark [about what a ninja is].

Q2: “Do you remember how you came about the catchphrase ‘dattebayo’?”

[This answer was kinda hard for me to understand coz the logic in his answer kinda jumps around a bit. This is what I THINK he meant] A: He decided to make a catchphrase that sounded silly that an old person etc would come out with. He also thought something that sounded like a speech impediment would be good, so decided to go with ‘dattebayo’”.

Q3: “Did you have to think hard about [the setting/ creation of] naruto’s classmates?”

A: Kishimoto didn’t actually originally intend for that kind of setting. Originally he intended to focus on various missions that Naruto went on, meeting 4-man cells from other villages. The teachers of the 4-man cell would be Kakashis rival. But after discussing this with his editor, he was told there wouldn’t be time for such a slow-paced development, so he needed to come bring all these characters and villages out at once. You’re going to make a tournament. Kishimoto said he can’t do it and if he did it’d kill him [not literally], but he was told to do it even if it kills him. That is how the Chuunin exams arc came about. That was what he was forced to do. But even now he wish he could do his original idea about focusing on missions.

So he found it really difficult coming up with so many new characters and their designs in one go with no material to go on. So he asked for some designs from his editor to help, who saw a really weird looking keychain (?) and made drawings based on that, and that’s where Gai and Lee’s etc designs came from.

Kobayashi says that listening to what he said earlier about Kakashi’s rival, it sounds like he was originally planning for team Gai to be from another village when introducing them here [since they weren’t introduced with the other rookies/ teachers]. Kishimoto says that was originally the case, but they decided it was better for Kakashi to have a rival from inside the village so they went with this instead and introduced Team Gai as being from Konoha.

Kishimoto also says that the series picked up popularity thanks to the tournament aspect to find out who’d win, and even Kishimoto himself started to enjoy writing this part. But his editorial team told him to introduce a villain called Orochimaru in there that would stop the tournament from being finished instead. Kishimoto was disappointed since he was really getting into it, and had already put out the idea that he wanted Shikamaru to win. But before being told to put in the plot development of the tournament being destroyed, Kishimoto does admit that he was worrying about how to write Shikamaru’s fights for the rest of the tournament and make him the winner, since Shikamaru has an IQ of 200 and he [Kishimoto] doesn’t have a very high one, so he didn’t know how to pull it off.

Q4: “Why did you decide to introduce a strong enemy like Zabuza right at the beginning of the series?”

A: Kishimoto says that he wanted to do this right off the bat to show off Kakashi’s strength as an example of what an experienced ninja can do in the Narutoverse. This would set some cornerstones down in the manga straight away and make it easier for the audience to put things into perspective. Kobayashi points out that there were many things introduced in this arc that played huge roles right until the end of the series (kekkei genkai, sharingan etc), but Kishimoto just said he was ‘bluffing’ with these things in the beginning [nb: in other words he just made them up without any thought on how to use them in the future]. At the time he was just making these things up for the excitement and suspense, but didn’t pick up on what to do with some of these threads long-term until later. Basically he was making it up as he went. Even with Sasuke’s backstory, at the time of the Wave Arc, all that had been thought out was that Sasuke had an elder brother who had done something bad, and that was it. Kishimoto admits the planning was very hazy at this point. However, at the point where Itachi is actually introduced, Kishimoto had decided to secretly make him a good guy, but the reason he did something bad was because of circumstances. Kishimoto also says that although he introduced the Sharingan as being able to copy moves, the premise on what the Sharingan could do changed drastically over the course of the storyline.

Kobayashi comments that the concept of focusing on eyeballs in a Shounen manga is unique, and Kishimoto laughs and agrees. Kishimoto explains that theres a really old story called ‘Take of the Gallant Jiraiya’ that often comes up in Kabuki and the like, where the main character Jiraiya actually has the Sharingan. Kishimoto decided to take the concept of the Sharingan from this story and create the Uchiha clan to give the Sharingan to. And because Kakashi also has a Sharingan despite not being an Uchiha, he wanted this to be a mystery that kept readers interested as to how he got it.

Kobayashi comments that this mystery isn’t explained until Kakashi Gaiden much, much further down the line, but even so, you can see the group picture of Kakashi, Obito, Rin and Minato early on in the series [Kobayashi is showing a page from chapter 16]. Kishimoto says that may be so, but even by chapter 16 he had already decided this storyline, about Obito being an Uchiha, and that Minato was Naruto’s dad (but doesn’t confirm if he’d decided Minato’s name by then). Speaking of Minato, even though his identity was confirmed by this point, to begin with Kishimoto hadn’t thought of creating a fourth Hokage or him being Naruto’s dad. Kishimoto knew that he would have to introduce what had happened to his dad somewhere in the story, but didn’t know how to do it. Before coming up with Minato as the 4th Hokage, Minato’s spot on the Hokage Monument was actually taken by a dog [nb: you read that right, a dog]. He explains that at the time he actually wanted to try out that a ‘ninken’ (ninja dog) like those owned by the Inuzuka had been the Hokage at one point. But his editor told him he was thinking off on a tangent again, so instead of that just make him the main character’s dad instead.

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On the popularity of characters - Kobayashi asks if Kishimoto had any idea how popular he thought Kakashi would be, as he became the most popular character, to which Kishimoto replies that he had no idea how he became so popular. Kobayashi says he’s missing the point and they both laugh, and suggests that maybe the reason is because Kakashi is cool.

Kobayashi then says that Jiraiya was also popular, to which Kishimoto agrees. Kobayashi suggests that it’s because he’s always acting pervy and has Icha Icha etc. Kishimoto goes on to say that the characters he actually having the intention to become popular actually flopped. This is the case of Sai, who wasn’t well received at all. Kimimaro was also the same. Kimimaro was actually popular at first, but as soon as he was shown to pull out his spinal cord his popularity disappeared. Kobayashi suggests that maybe it’s because it grossed the fans out, especially female fans.

On Sakura’s popularity & character - Kobayashi then asks about Sakura. Kishimoto says he tried to write her more realistically [than other characters], and tried to show a girl’s ‘real’ self/ feelings [through inner Sakura]. He thought she would appeal to female fans, but was surprised when she actually became hated. Kobayashi asks if there was a lot of Sakura hate, and Kishimoto says there was, and even young girls told him they hate her. Kishimoto said that he continued on regretting Sakura’s character. Kobayashi apologizes for bringing up the painful memories as Kishimoto apologizes for tailing off (lol).

Kobayashi said that his team were discussing in a meeting why Sakura’s family was never written. He says that they eventually appeared in a movie, but not in the manga. Even when all the parents are shown along with their children during the war, and even random relatives are shown, Sakura’s parents aren’t seen. He says that they came across like a civilian family and kind of made Sakura seem on the side-lines. He asks Kishimoto why this is, and Kishimoto replies that, honestly speaking, Sakura was that unpopular that even if he expanded on her… (nb. He tails off in what he’s saying). Kobayashi reiterates Kishimoto’s statement, and Kishimoto tells him that’s right, to which Kobayashi laughs.

Kobayashi asks if it was too late to drop her, and Kishimoto says that he just had to persevere with her, and thought about how to raise her popularity. In the 4th volume, a cover page shows her with Katsuyu, so this was the direction he tried to work in. In later volumes, he tries to draw her more beautifully. On the cover page of Vol 66, he drew Sasuke and Naruto quickly, but with Sakura he took a long time to draw her beautifully and was using source materials as guides. But he says that in the end no one really took notice (it had no effect), and Hinata’s popularity just kept going up on its own.

Kishimoto explains that Hinata, like Sakura, never really did anything but her popularity just kept going up and up, so part way through the story he started to wonder whether he should make her the main heroine instead, or at least gradually write her into the direction of the heroine.

They then go on to talking about Part II/ Shippuden.

On Shippuden’s/ Part II’s plot - Kobayashi starts off asking about whether there was framework put in place for the direction of Shippuden’s story. Kishimoto replies that because Naruto and his group were so weak as genin in the first part, so he wanted to make them stronger in the second part. This is especially because he introduced the Akatsiki, who are all Jonin level, so he had to make the main cast stronger too. He also used the timeskip as a chance to change their clothes, since he didn’t like the swirl on the arm of Naruto’s jacket, and also his thick collar in Part 1 got in the way of his face in action scenes. So he drew a small collar and dropped the swirl. He also added the headband with the long tails at the back so they would stand out and flutter during action scenes.

On Akatsuki - Kobayashi then goes on to say that when the Akatsuki were first introduced [when they were as shadows during their meetings] it was really exciting. Kobayashi says his favorite pair were Hidan and Kakuzu, to which Kishimoto agrees, saying Hidan was his favorite overall. Kobayashi says that they gave off a real sense of danger and malice. He also says that the concept of them both being immortal, albeit for different reasons, was really interesting. Kishimoto said he was worried at first about how he was depicting Hidan, who stabbed himself then said it felt good. Kobayashi says that it’s also the case of the damage he inflicted on Asuma.

On censorship scenes - Kobayashi then brings up the scene where Shikamaru is smoking Asuma’s cigarette, saying that it gave off the feeling of a boy becoming an adult. Kishimoto said he didn’t think they’d be able to show this in the anime. Kobayashi admits he was worried when this first came out. Kishimoto said that he thought he’d be told he can’t show a minor smoking [in the manga], since manga regulations are very strict. He had a meeting with his editor about whether he should change it or not, and in the end his editor told him to not worry about it and just try and go through with it anyway. If the people above wanted to edit it they would. Kobayashi brings up a scene where Hidan’s head is lopped off, and Kishimoto comments that the editing department told him to add black bars at the side for censoring. Kobayashi asks if Hidan is still buried underground, and Kishimoto says he is. Kishimoto wondered whether to put him in the war, but in the end he didn’t want to have even more characters to draw, so he didn’t.

Kobayashi then brings up the scene where Shikamaru is smoking again and he starts crying and flicks the cigarette away, Kobayashi comments that for a shounen series this was an incredibly serious scene. Kobayashi asks if he likes this kind of stuff, and Kishimoto says that surprisingly he does like these kinds of movies etc. He can’t out too much of this kind of thing into a shounen series, but he put in a little bit of something he finds interesting.

Kobayashi then asks about Akatsuki, saying they’re not just a normal organization, and they don’t really know much about each other. (nb: this next line I’m not sure about) Kishimoto says that in real life there are such professional organizations where a group of individuals come together, so he wanted to draw a parallel to that. And he drew Pain to be the leader bringing together these individuals.

On camera & layout techniques in the manga - Kobayashi asks if the scene where Pain first appears looking down on the world was difficult, because the background was very complex. Kishimoto says it was very difficult, and at first he had to carefully pencil everything out. Kishimoto says that he also drew the detailed background in the scene where Naruto is looking down over Konoha when he first comes back. Kishimoto said he had to draw it to make the whole image come together properly. Kobayashi notices a sign in Pain’s scene that reads ‘hankerchief’ and asks about it, and Kishimoto says it’s a homage to [another series called] Bobobo-Bobobobo. Kobayashi comments that it’s amazing considering he only had one week to do this for the deadline. Kishimoto says that image took him 3 days to do.

Kobayashi then brings up about other unique shots, like the shot of Deidara sitting on Gaara’s body (which has a fish-eye lens effect). Kishimoto says he loves that kind of shot and was inspired by the work ‘Akira’. He says he like how it adds depth to the world using that lens method. Kobayashi shows the cover page of chapter 106 commenting that it looks like the kind of shot found in pervy AV [Adult Video= softporn] films. Kishimoto states that he’s never researched that kind of thing.

Kobayashi then shows the scene where Naruto punches Haku, which is showing the same punch but at three different angle. Kishimoto comments that this is a technique often used in films known as ‘double action’. He says that in Jackie Chan’s movies for example, it is used to emphasis the strength of the punch. Kishimoto says he wanted to use that effect in his manga. Kobayashi says he has a question about why the faces aren’t shown when Naruto hits someone, and if that was intentional. Kishimoto replies that it is cooler that way, because rather than the focus being on the face, the focus of attention is on the body’s [recoil] and it’s more expressive that way. He says that in important scenes he plans it so to not draw they’re faces.

Kobayashi then asks about another layout technique he uses, where in Naruto/ Sasuke fights the Naruto and Sasuke panels are connected on the left and right page, and the development of action progresses from the top of the page to the bottom. Kishimoto says that this is a manga technique that he thought to use that is easy to follow, as both are connected it doesn’t matter where you are looking you can easily follow what both sides are doing at the same time. He says that he designed it to be quick and simple to skim over and not to emphasis looking at the details, since you’re reading both pages at the same time.

Kobayashi shows an example of a complicated double-page layout. Kishomoto says that the panels are messed up and random to express the confusion of the fight, and the reader also doesn’t know where to look. Also, because it makes you look around the page quickly, it adds a sense of speed to the battle as well. Kobayashi understands that this was a deliberate technique, because at the time he wondered if it was OK for Kishimoto to have submitted this for publication.

On the War arc Moving on, Kobayashi comments that the war arc must have been very difficult. Kishimoto says it was, and that in the Pain fight, Pain comments about Naruto not having experienced war. This part set the story towards the war arc, so Naruto could come up with his final answer after having experienced war for himself. Kishimoto explains that this conversation in the Pain arc meant that he couldn’t back down from steering the story towards a war arc. Kobayashi says that everyone popped up during the war arc, and Kishimoto said that he wanted to use that as a way to wrap things up from the entire series so far.

He says he did an unimportant old man fight between Mifune and Hanzo, which was unusual for a shounen manga. He said he was told off [by his editor?] and told to drop the old man fight already. Kobayashi says that actually, that fight was his [Kobayashi’s show’s] directors favorite fight. Kishimoto thanks him. Kobyashi shows one part of that fight scene and comments how they are thinking back in the past as they are fighting. Kishimoto said he originally wanted to do a seppuku (ritual suicide) scene, but then he started to think it’d be a bit harsh to do that considering he’s an old man, so he started to go off the idea. Kobayashi asks about Mifune’s popularity with a shounen audience and Kishimoto replies that he wasn’t popular one bit. Kobayashi laughs and says that he thinks Mifune is cool, and that it’s interesting that samurai have developed to be on par with ninjas in a ninja world. Kishimoto says that if they didn’t develop, then… Kobayashi comments that they wouldn’t be samurai if they didn’t persist, and Kishimoto agrees. Kobayashi says that it’s a cool scene, but asks how it went down with a shounen audience. Kishimoto says that the opinion was ‘will this old man fight finish soon? The main characters not even in it’.

Kobayashi says he likes the war arc, and that he liked the 2nd Mizukage, who tells everyone his own weaknesses. Kishimoto says that even though he’s an old man as well, he was actually fairly popular. Kishimoto said he thought it’d be interesting to have that character actually give away how to defeat himself and to demend it be done quickly. Kobayashi asks whether doing the Edo Tensei was difficult, and Kishimoto says yes. He says that from the Pain arc onwards, Naruto just defeats the enemy without intent to kill and settles things verbally. Doing it this way is more shounen-like so he felt he had to go down this direction. But he felt this kind of killed the mood, so from there he introduced the zetsu clones (and Edo Tensei) to have someone to beat. Kobayashi asks about the characters that didn’t come back as Edo Tensei, like Jiraiya, Konan and Hidan. Kishimoto said he didn’t want Jiraiya to come back, because he couldn’t possibly write it in a good way. Jiraiya’s death was a big part of Naruto’s development and brought him closer to understanding Sasuke’s feelings, so bringing Jiraiya back would undo that. The Edo Tensei was mostly a way to draw Madara out into the story.

They go on to talk about Madara’s appearance, and that it’s the real him rather than just the Rinne Tensei. Kishimoto says it kind of ended up complicated about reviving him with Rinne Tensei or with Edo Tensei and the difference between the two.

On Sakura’s Love Letter scene - Kobayashi laughingly brings up the unusual scene where Sakura gets a love letter [during the war]. Kishimoto explains that the reason for that was to give the anime team a lead for a [filler] story, because if they just kept doing the war arc at the pace they were going at then they would catch up with the manga. Kobayashi says this ‘Love letter incident’ is an unbelievable occurrence, and Kishimoto admits that he didn’t know what to write, he just had to put something. Kobayashi finds this hilarious and asks ‘so your answer was a love letter, then?’

On Neji’s death - Kobayashi comments that there were many casualties during the war, but he was surprised about Neji, and asks Kishimoto why he was chosen. Kishimoto explains that because he decided to make Hinata into the lead heroine a while back, he used Neji’s death as a way to bring her and Naruto together. He goes on to explain that although there is the scene where she stands up to Pain, he wanted to create an opening for Naruto to consciously realize that she is by his side and thank her for that, so he used Neji’s death to do this. Kishimoto says that in this way Neji sort of took on the role of cupid for the two of them. He then explains that it was at this time when Kishimoto came up with the name of ‘Bolt’ for their son, which has a similar meaning to ‘Neji’ (screw), as a homage to the late uncle who brought his parents together. Kishimoto says that ‘if’ there is a manga about Bolt (nb: it wasn’t confirmed by this point), he wants to include scenes focusing on Neji. Kobayashi asks if it’s ok to mention something like this [project], and Kishimoto says that this is only hypothetical.

On the final battle between Naruto & Sasuke - Kobayashi says the war arc was great, and then goes on to asking about the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke. Kishimoto said that because Sasuke was introduced as a rival character in the beginning, he also wanted the manga to end with Sasuke and Naruto fighting as rivals. Kobayashi comments that this conclusive battle has been a long time coming, and that it has been a long time since Sasuke first left the village. Kishimoto agrees and says that after writing his leaving arc, he was a bit frustrated because he didn’t know what to do with him anymore. But he said he could also understand Sasuke’s actions after leaving the village in some ways, and Kobayashi agrees. Kishimoto said he wanted the audience to understand Sasuke’s point of view, and wrote the story so he could push this idea. Kishimoto also explains that there were times when his editor told him he hasn’t properly captured Sasuke’s facial expression to show his character, and sometimes had to redraw him many times. He said that both he and Sakura were always a pain to draw. Kakashi was also difficult to draw facial expressions for since his face is covered. Kobayashi comments that designing these characters this way is Kishimoto’s form of self-hatred, and they laugh.

About the final battle, Kishimoto says he didn’t want them to use ninjutsu. He said he wanted it to end in a boys’ fist fight, despite it not being in the usual spirit of Jump (and they bothered him about it). He then goes on to talk about when they both lose their arms (which is their dominant arm), relates back to a flashback in the beginning of the manga where they cross each other’s fingers, but now they can’t do that. So he used the Madara and Hashirama statues, who represented Indra and Asura, to hold hands instead, with Naruto and Sasuke on top. Kishimoto said he’s always wanted to draw this scene, even since Part I.

On ending the manga - Kobayashi flicks through that chapter and comments that one of the daimyo looks like himself. Also in another panel there is a picture of one of Kishimoto’s cats in the background. Kobayashi then asks about the Jolly Roger mark on the Hokage Monument in chapter 700. Kishimoto says that it is a tribute to his fellow-managaka, Eiichiro Oda, who wrote One Piece. In the back of the Jump volume, there are some messages from his fellow managakas, and Oda’s says that they are rivals. Kishimoto says he feels the same way. He also says he was surprised, because he never heard they’d do that [publishing messages from all the authors to him], and it’s the first time something like that has been done. Kobayashi says that it’s a sign that he is a great mangaka who has created an amazing piece of work, and Kishimoto thanks him.

[Until 49.20]

This video interview was translated so if anyone interested. This entire interview speaks volume of kishi's writing skills/planning. To make it worse in terms of pairings he never intended for anyone to end up together he originality wanted the audience to feel sympathetic for the unrequited love and thats it. He really screwed up.  :ermm:  

 

 

What a kittening fraud I don't even know why they even call him an mangaka  when he just openly kittening admitted that he had no clue WTH he was doing 90 % of the time :facepalm:  What kind of a freaking story it is  when  its written by your editors , its based on popularity and the manga is adapted to correspond with the anime's fillers   which basically makes the whole story one giant piece of filler kitten  and there is no purpose on telling this story at all  :facepalm: . I don't even want start talking about the Sakura popularity BS , Minato Dog kitten and freaking Neji  :twitch:  :twitch:  :twitch:  :twitch:  :twitch: .

 

The Bolded : OMFG this made me laugh hard oh brother !!!  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao: . It appears that one of the most controversial paring scenes "The Love Letter "  was nothing but  an  filler kitten  and has no purpose in canon  not to mention the way SP played that filler with Sakura saying about Sasuke that he's someone she "Used to Love "  which  totally doesn't fit with this ending kitten and proves even more how much of a freaking retcons are 699/700 and the last kitten  . Oh and not to mention that this kitten proves some of us here who were saying that Sakura wasn't thinking of Sasuke as the men she "Still Loves" but someone she "Used to Love"  since you know canon is filler by this  the all so great SS moment is utter kitten  its pure ASS and defies everything this  kitten of an ending stands for . How can they be so kittening stupid there is no end to their stupidity I kittening swear   :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:.  


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Posted 13 March 2015 - 08:23 AM

Finally some new information regarding the box office has appeared. It appears like TL has managed to garner $179,370 on its opening night in the US. Australia earned $134,543, $29,030 in New Zealand, and $329,622 in South Korea during their respective openings. Altogether, "The Last" has managed to earn $672,565 in the initial week. This is not including Indonesia, The Philippines, Malaysia, or Mexico. 

 

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 08:24 AM

And yet he still chose to give NH next to no development and gave SS even more negative moments all the way until the end of the manga. If he really wanted to do NH and SS then he definitely did it in a very backwards way.


There is no way of knowing it until he says, but I think Kishi sold out no early than RTN. If that's true, I wonder how much he regretted when he saw the positives of RTN viewers and his father said that he loves the family bonds in that movie that he sold out. Once you sign that contract, it's all over and there's no going back to it until the contract expires.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 08:28 AM

What a kittening fraud I don't even know why they even call him an mangaka  when he just openly kittening admitted that he had no clue WTH he was doing 90 % of the time :facepalm:  What kind of a freaking story it is  when  its written by your editors , its based on popularity and the manga is adapted to correspond with the anime's fillers   which basically makes the whole story one giant piece of filler kitten  and there is no purpose on telling this story at all  :facepalm: .

 

The Bolded : OMFG this made me laugh hard oh brother !!!  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao: . It appears that one of the most controversial paring scenes "The Love Letter "  was nothing but  an  filler kitten  and has no purpose in canon  not to mention the way SP played that filler with Sakura saying about Sasuke that he's someone she "Used to Love "  which  totally doesn't fit with this ending kitten and proves even more how much of a freaking retcons are 699/700 and the last kitten  . Oh and not to mention that this kitten proves some of us here who were saying that Sakura wasn't thinking of Sasuke as the men she "Still Loves" but someone she "Used to Love"  since you know canon is filler by this  the all so great SS moment is utter kitten  its pure ASS and defies everything this  kitten of an ending stands for . How can they be so kittening stupid there is no end to their stupidity I kittening swear   :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:.  

Because he is stupid enough to do so ....or maybe, he just doesn't caaaare !  :facepalm:  after all, he is rich now and can say whatever he wants ! 

 

hahaha yeah the love letter, that made me laugh ! But seriously THIS Kobayashi finds this hilarious and asks ‘so your answer was a love letter, then?’ tells a lot about Kishi ! The only thing he could think about is a shojo thing...he could have used that to develop more ...any character ! They all f****** need it !  :facepalm:  :facepalm:  :facepalm:  :facepalm:


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Posted 13 March 2015 - 09:00 AM

Because he is stupid enough to do so ....or maybe, he just doesn't caaaare !  :facepalm:  after all, he is rich now and can say whatever he wants ! 

 

hahaha yeah the love letter, that made me laugh ! But seriously THIS Kobayashi finds this hilarious and asks ‘so your answer was a love letter, then?’ tells a lot about Kishi ! The only thing he could think about is a shojo thing...he could have used that to develop more ...any character ! They all f****** need it !  :facepalm:  :facepalm:  :facepalm:  :facepalm:

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 09:17 AM

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Do that!!!!! That Sakura from the Last was so annoying to me, I wish I could have beaten her up XD

I already do this in a mugen game lol I beat up the last versions of nardo and sakura and shippuden hinata using shippuden naruto, shippuden sakura, and even dbz characters lol (makes ssj4 gogeta blast then into the sun, literally XD )


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